Here's your IDIOT IMBECILE drunken dog abusin pal liz h:
"Robin Nuttall" <robinjn@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Judy wrote:
>
>>
>> The Standards I see are pretty much like you describe. The intensity
is
>> not there - even in the ones who are doing fairly well and moving along
>> steadily. I know these are dogs of a breed that does have a strong
>> working background. But the work is steady and thoughtful, the dog
>> really does *think*, and there is nothing frivolous about their
mindset.
>> I do see a couple of Standards who are on the same level as a Miniature
>> like Spenser. Which is really good for a Standard. But they are the
>> superstars of the Standards.
>
> Coming in on this late, but most of the standards I know personally are
> big jokesters for the most part. They tend to be "yee haw!" about
agility
> in general, often sproinging over the jumps just because they can. I do
> know some that also match your description, but it can go either way.
I'm
> thinking specifically here of Liz H's Standards, who tend to be merry
and
> mischevious to say the least. She's getting her now "old man" ready to
do
> agility again (he has an NA from back when weaves weren't required for
> Novice). This is the dog that won Breed at Westminster several years in
a
> row and he has a fabulous temperament and loves, loves, loves agility. I
> don't know how fast he'll be, he's just as likely to do everything
> backwards just for fun. But I bet he'll make the crowd laugh.
>>
>> Now if you could find a Standard line that starts at the Spenser level
>> and then goes up in agility drive, I'd be really interested. As would
a
>> bunch of other schnauzer agility people that I know.
>
> I didn't catch the early part of this thread so I don't know who
Spenser
> is, but I think if given good foundations Liz's dogs could be pretty
darn
> incredible. I know Don Farage had one, but I don't know the record on
that
> dog.
Liz H
Junior Hunter
Joined: 10 May 2004
Posts: 162
Location: Maryland
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:14 am Post subject:
How old is Synder again? If she's just a puppy, please try the non-prong
approach first..you're not dealing with a large wild critter here..
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Liz,
Dave
Field Trial Champion
Joined: 23 Jun 2004
Posts: 3579
Location: Montana
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:55 pm
Post subject: Invisifence worked ..
This is from an email , boy I'm glad it worked .
Hi Dave:
We had a computer crash a couple of weeks ago. We are back online now so I
thought I would update you. The fence is working great. There is no doubt
that he has had an invisifence in the past. He
has not left the yard since we put the collar on him. He was a
nervous wreck for a couple of days but he is much more comfortable and
relaxed now.
He has been having lots of fun at the lake swimming and taking
boat rides. He enjoys his runs in the park more these days because he
hasn't
already had one on his own.
We are enjoying him very much...of course we're keeping him.
Thanks for the fence!!!
Martha
Bailey was an NBRAN dog that was adopted from South Dakota to Northwestern
Mt . The guy that adopted just backed out after a big Trans****t clear from
Pierre SD and he only had him two months . The people that saved the day
were new applicants looking for a Brittany and I said I have a deal for
you
and recruited their help . Bailey is a great dog , a Nmale about 7 years
old
and a major athlete / runner . He was bad and kept hopping a 4 ft. fence
and
chasing birds in a nearby bird refuge I thought I was going to have to
drive 350 miles one way to get him . As a last ditch effort I bought an
invisifence sytem hoping it would stop his wandering . I just got a basic
model , just enough to buzz him if he tried crossing . I was told Bailey
was
a trained bird dog and thought he had ecollar experience . Lo and behold
he
didn't challenge the fence at all .
It toned him and he stopped , no fence jumping .
Dave
Liz H
Junior Hunter
Joined: 10 May 2004
Posts: 162
Location: Maryland
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:44 am
Post subject: Saving Bailey
Dave, that was an absolutely BRILLIANT move on your part!
YAAAAY Dave...
Liz
American Brittany Rescue Forum Index -> Behavior
Author Message
Dave
Field Trial Champion
subject: An effective deterrent for anoying behaviour .
I've been getting crazy trying to control Levi's anoying puppy bad habits
He doing all the routine packing stuff away , chewing dirty laundry ,
nipping and several others . I have used rolled up paper whacking him on
the nose and a host of other things . Well ...the thing that has worked is
a
common spray bottle with water . He hates it and stops whatever he's doing
.
It was getting to be a battle of wills , and I think he was winning Of
course we've been trying to wear him out with walks , ball tossing games
etc. My friend in North Carolina told me this works and I highly endorse
it
.. We're crossing little bridges and he's sleeping on my loveseat being a
good tired pup
WHEW Dave
Liz H
Joined: 10 May 2004
Posts: 162
Location: Maryland
I must have squirt bottles in every room. Luckily, a couple of years ago I
won about 6 'gardening totes.' The other items were totally worthless -
but
they had GOOD little water bottles. One is on the coffee table, one is on
the kitchen table, two are one either side of the kitchen on the counters,
and one is the bathroom. The other one lives in the treat/dogfood cabinet.
I feel like I should be arrested for packing sidearms..but they do work.
So
does diversion. I can usually get Tyler to quit whatever bad he's doing if
I
throw a toy or get out the clicker and click it ..brings him running for a
treat..and then he forgets what he was doing before (*usually ) Have
fun..I
am having a wonderful time with Tyler watching him play with Max..and
listening to the growling and carrying on.
Liz
Paws for a Cause...the recap
by Lisa L.
We got there and met up with Jen D and her husband Darren, and it didn't
take me long to remember why I stopped hanging out in the bars all the
time.
It's dark, it's loud, it's smoky, it's expensive and I really, REALLY like
drinking. About 3 beers into it, Beth A and Liz H showed up, and about 2
beers after that, I was suddenly very happy that when most of these people
were hanging out with Missy in the bars, I'd never been invited to join
them. What a bunch of sloppy drunks!
It was actually sort of interesting....once everyone was there, the group
sort of splintered off...Me, Michelle, Christine, Jen & Darren at a table
near the dance floor drinking and talking...and Chelsea, Becky, Liz, Beth,
Shelly and Tanya over at the pool tables drinking and playing pool. The
later it got, the more everyone drank...and while our little table was
completely under control (don't get me wrong, I think we were all
reasonably
buzzed), the other group was loud and obnoxious, obviously slurring their
words and having to use each other for actual sup****t when they walked.
The
truly sad part was that our table had outdrank the rest of them by 2 to 1.
Eventually though, they lost the pool table they'd been playing on and
came
back over to join us. Lots of jokes were made at their expense. I
mean...it's not like they were going to remember it. Chelsea was
absolutely
obliterated. The fact she was still even remotely coherent was impressive.
Becky was coming in a close second, but at least she was still standing of
her own accord, whereas Chelsea was slumped over on a barstool trying
really
hard to go to sleep.
Around 11 or so, my friend Dennis showed up. He was actually the reason
I'd
chosen Shooters in the first place. Dennis and I used to hang out all the
time when we were both heavy drinkers. We'd be at Shooter's every single
night, and we'd shared some really good times. Of course, in a friend****p
based on booze, we'd also shared some classic fights. Eventually, we both
grew up and drifted away from the bbooze houndlifestyle...me going to work
at the hospital and then back to school and him taking a job with BNSF
railroad and getting ttransferredto Austin Texas. He'd e-mailed me a
couple
weeks ago and told me he was coming into town to see his parents and
wanted
to get together for a beer or two...I'd told him that I had this fund
raiser
thing to do, but that I'd be glad to meet up with him afterwards. So
that's
how we ended up at Shooters.
I won't go into really boring details about what happened there...think
drunk girls and crowded areas (use your imagination). It all ended with me
having (yet again) take Chelsea outside so she could vomit. I have to give
the girl credit for trying to keep up with the big kids, but it always
ends
badly for her. When I brought her back inside, the non-obnoxious drinkers
(me, Michelle, Jen & Darren) decided to go find greasy food at Perkins and
we made Chelsea and Becky come along. They had a long drive to Chelseas
aunt's house in Cloquet, so we thought it was wise to get something in
their
stomachs other than booze.
I think I ended up getting back home a little after 1, which was later
than
I'd wanted to be out drinking, however, in retrospect I think I was pretty
well due for a good night out. And the fact that I'd had a lot of beer
only
helped me catch up on some of the sleep I'd been missing for the last
couple
weeks...
Now that it's over, I'm really happy that it's over. I don't think I'll be
taking on this kind of responsiblity or challenge for quite a while...but
I
think it went really well. And the fact that three of the groups that were
there have already made me promise to do it again next year, and they've
promised to help by getting me in touch with other groups that will want
to
join us too.
All in all, I'm calling it a success.
Now it's time to catch up on my sleep, and there's no time like the
present
to start that....
Liz H
Junior Hunter
Joined: 10 May 2004
Posts: 162
Location: Maryland
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:46 am
Try this - it is based on the dog's (usual) need to be close to you...
Take
a very long (20') lead or a piece of clothes line. Attach it to the dog's
collar. Then just walk around the yard.
When the dog gets to the end of the lead, change directions. Just keep at
it...and reduce the length of the lead only about a foot a week. Don't
encourage, don't talk..just keep moving. Then after a couple of weeks,
start
encouraging and then get the dog close to you, watching you (my favorite
motivator is to spit little bits of either dog chow, or string
cheese...that
keeps them watching your face.)
The other real key to keeping a dog working and HAPPY...is to only train
for
about 15 minutes at a time..and ALWAYS end with something they do well and
results in a reward. You can do 2 15 minute sessions a day...but if you
keep
your training times short and happy, results will be faster.
Hang in there..and don't train when you're cranky...and quit if you GET
cranky.
Liz
From: BethF
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2002 6:23 pm
Email: "BethF" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
--Beth, Pseudo usenet cop
From: misty (Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Date: 2002-01-23 07:46:16 PST
Beth wrote:
> So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.
The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home
were: build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan
on putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.
Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning
anything. At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.
By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had
already ran away.
Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread is
mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days. I
stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated that
his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.
The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.
Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it in
my e-mail ( no storage otherwise on webby unless you put stuff
on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it on
Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to lose
another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with little
kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I still look
to see if she came home when we get back from trips. Maybe
Peach would still have ran away... I don't know and never
will....
~misty
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"misty" <Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do
know she's not here with us. I really can't blame
anyone here for her loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it
because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling
to accept the idea that my using a shock collar
could have any bearing on Peach not wanting
to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had
been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my
concern became how to keep them from running
off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled
in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the
world now <g> A Wits End Trained dog, one who
is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up stuff,
stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
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misty" <Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and
no collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want
to come back in the yard and would run for days.
The last time, Peach didn't come back home.
I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how
to train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in
the yard.
She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop
her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes
when we walk around the yard.
I can not say loud or long enough how much I
hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can't get
a regular fence then you need to train your dog.
I will never rely on an electronic collar to
keep my dog in our yard again.
The price was too high:-(
~misty
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From: Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(misty)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:44:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Wits End Training manual?
I used the Wit's Ends Training manual to teach myself how
to interact with Zelda. The first read through made no
sense to me...the second time through, things clicked and
the little lightbulb glowed.
I trained Zelda to stay in the yard, not chase cats, to come,
sit ,down, stop chewing toys and to be quiet when she barks
at things she hears outside.
I don't care if 99% of the manual came from 99 other trainers...
I needed the info, it was offered free of charge and any questions
can be asked of Jerry.
One thing about his method, although you can "spot" train
with it, it works best by a pyramid approach.IOW start
at the beginning and go through the exercises in the order
he has them wrote.
The part about "non-physical praise" confused me until I
tried a little experiment. I petted Zelda and told her
what a good girl she was...she enjoyed it, tail wagging.
I then put my hand away from her (behind my back) and
praised her...she got very wiggly, ****ged me with her nose,
pawed at me and wanted more praise. Not very scientific,
I know, but it was interesting to me how excited she got.
I find that I'm starting to use Jerry's method to "train"
my kids as well:-)
~misty
My "daughter" http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/ZeldaAnneArensdorf/
My sons http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/Arensdorf14Acre/
From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:13:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Wits End Training manual?
On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:44:25 -0500 (CDT),
Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(misty) wrote:
> I find that I'm starting to use Jerry's method to "train" my kids as
> well:-) ~misty
> My "daughter":
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/ZeldaAnneArensdorf/
> My sons: http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/Arensdorf14Acre/
Hi Misty!
I had just about exactly the same experience with Jerry's manual.
I had visited quite a few dog-training web sites, and, while they
didn't recommend anything too harsh, they all emphasized that
I must "assert my dominance" over the pup.
Anytime I tried doing that (just once or twice) it produced a
distinctly negative result... The pup got scared and ran away.
When I took the approach of simply making myself into the most
im****tant and desirable thing in her world, she responded incredibly
well. Now I can even break off a rabbit chase instantly (which I do
NOT want to allow, as I live in a rural area with chickens and
livestock) just by calling her once in a calm, affectionate voice.
Your kids and your dog are adorable, BTW!
You can see my pup at
http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy
Check the "more pictures" link -- like your dog, Holly
is more than happy to do an "alpha rollover" when I use
the gentle, non-confrontational approach Jerry recommends.
Charlie
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"misty" <Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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(me) wrote:
>> You can check Google for my posting history...
>> here, breeds, cats, kids and> birds... and I
>> have a dog who doesn't : chew inappropriate items,
>> jump on people, counter-surf, be aggressive, bark
>> too much, get in the garbage no matter what yummy
>> morsel is waiting, can be left overnight in the
>> house w/o pottying or any of the above... no, she
>> has no titles other than beloved pet.. but that
>> is enough for me.
>
Pat wrote:
>
> Misty, I have a dog who doesn't do any of these
> things either. She came to us with NO training
> whatsoever (didn't even know what 'sit' meant),
> but she didn't do any of those things when she
> came to us at the age of 18 months. Some dogs
> are just naturally good, easy-going, and very
> easy to live with. I'm lucky enough to have one.
Yes, some dogs are just good dogs but... Zelda used
to destroy stuff..kids toys, stuffed animals, shoes,
and even my pillow. She would pee in the house. She
would go on barking jags because the neighbor's dogs
were barking.
By using Jerry's manual I worked things out... I got
rid of the crate and put the kibosh on plans of getting
another shock collar (for e-fence) and had a plan to
follow which trained Zelda to stay in her yard and not
go roaming with her buddies.
Zelda came ito my life as a 3-4 month old pup who
lived outside, ran free and had never been inside.
We adopted her and then her mom, spayed both and tried
to cope with one dog who refused to stay home... jumped
fences, broke chains and finally chewed off collar to be
able to go go go. Peach didn't come back the last time.
Zelda started out running off with her mm and her buddies..
she continued to do so until I did the step by step plan
Jerry's manual outlines.
She stays home... she doesn't chew up stuff and she is
1000% housebroken.
Again.. Jerry might be "crazy" but his methods work
and they are free...
~misty
> they need a lot of training, and while they're
> smart dogs and usually very trainable dogs,
It's your "TRAINING" that causes those pronlems.
Perhaps they're SMART ENOUGH to HOWEtwit
the cunning of the dedicated Pit Bull Fancier and
domestic puppy dog trainers:
"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
"All animals learn best through play." -- Konrad Lorenz
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have re****ted ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents tem****arily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
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