From: DelusionalDimensionsRecoveryDDR @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: leansnslobbers.proboards92. com
Re: ALL Temperament And Behavior Problems And 90% Of
ALL DIS-EASE Are CAUSED BY Mishandling; Therefore
They Can Be EXXXTINGUISHED NEARLY INSTANTLY
Simply By Doing EVERY THING EXXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE Of HOWE
You've Been TAUGHT By The Self-
Professed EXXXPERTS Who PROFIT From Your Hard****p <{}: ~ ( >
HOWEDY FellHOWE dog lovers at leansnslobbers.proboards92. com
I've been reading a few posts on your forum...
looks like you've got some EXXXCELLENT advice:
There comes a time when one must admit defeat. I am not
saying I think you should, only that it is ok if you do.
Mary.
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I don't know what else to do to keep them ALL safe when I
cannot be here to referee. I work the next 5 straight days.
I am afraid Cheval's last week on earth will not be able to
be the idyllic week of unfettered love and enjoyment I wish
it could be.
My heart is dying in a wordless scream of agony.
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Something is amiss, something that we can't fix, and he will
go knowing how much at least two people on this earth love
him, no matter what his history.
Love you guys, and I'm so, so sorry.
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Truly a bummer! I believe the humane thing to do is let him
go. IMHO dogs like Cheval know when things are wrong. (
((Hugs)))
J. I don't know anyone who has the trials you have
except my DD Jessica. Maybe it's the name!XO Ida
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Hugs J, and I agree with what Mary said.
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I can't even explain how I am feeling really, I know there are
some people that can understand or have had this experience.
This is a horrible feeling. I'm not sure what to do- either
rehome or put him down So upset and feel like the worst owner
in the world right now. I do think that there is nothing I
could have done to change this- we have done training/socialing
from the begining, but somewhere something must have gone wrong
with him.
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George is your dog and as hard as it will be.. you'll have
to do what is best for your family first. A dog like this
may be "contained" if there were only adults around and not
kids who forget to close gates and doors.
I'm sorry you're going thru this but don't beat yourself up
about it..some dogs are just not wired right and nothing can
change that. Don't let any one "guilt trip" you into keeping
a dog you can't trust.
Good Luck.
Dee
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zo, I've been where you are at, and it aint easy. You are doing
everything you know to do. That can't be said for everyone who has
an
aggresive dog. We had to rehome our fawn(after working with him for
9mo or so) for this very reason.
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I can be of no substantial help as I luckily have never had those
issues with a pet. However, I can lend my sup****t and empathy. I can
understand how helpless and afraid you feel about the pet you love
potentially harming someone. You've gotten some wonderful advice. I
know you will try everything possible before making any drastic
decisions. However, if you ultimately need to, then I know you will
have the courage to do so without blaming yourself in any way.
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I TOTALLY know what you are going through. You know that. You got to
do what you have to do, its your family and nobody elses. I was able
to muzzle train frank inside a week with peanut butter...Django
hates
it though because I got the metal one.
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Shannon is also very well aware that my position is that not all
dogs
are able to be helped and should be humanely released from the
demons
that plague them(be it medical or genetic or environment - abuse
etc.
or any combination thereof)
Gwen 20+ YEARS in Rescue - Rehabilitation - Therapy - Training -
Behavouralist - Consulting - Humane Education
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If its not thyroid or tumor etc...medical hes not wired right and
either way hes a loaded gun and it can be dangerous.I truely beleive
some people ruin dogs but some arent right its either medical or not
all their anyway.In past 20 or more years Ive heard of many
nightmares
and I personaly wont risk it these dogs are too large and when
children
are involved or exposed to them I WONT chance it too much can
happen in an instant and then its too late.So sorry your having to
go
through this.They cant all be saved and your the only one that knows
what hes doing and how hes acting etc... xceldanes
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Carol Ann pointed out last night to focus as much as I can on the
fact
that I am actually protecting him, from the fear, agony, pain... of
waiting until he truly snaps entirely and begins to know those
things.
I don't want him to have to go through what must have been so
terrifying for Izzy, when she completely lost control.
I don't know what I would do without you all.
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WE HAVE LIT THE CANDLES IN MEMORY OF
CHEVAL AND OSCAR RIP SWEET BOYS :+(
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Most of all. have FUN with your new puppy, and take lots of pictures
because they grow up so fast it will be hard to remember he was once
only 15 inches tall AND you BRIBED JERKED CHOKED CRATED SURGICALLY
***UALLY MUTILATED and THEN YOU
MURDERED IT~!
ALL Temperament And Behavior Problems
And 90% Of ALL DIS-EASE
Are CAUSED BY Mishandling;
Therefore They Can Be EXXXTINGUISHED
NEARLY INSTANTLY
Simply By Doing
EVERY THING
EXXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE
Of HOWE You've Been TAUGHT
By The Self-Professed EXXXPERTS
Who PROFIT From Your Hard****p <{}: ~ ( >
HOWEDY FellHOWE Animal Lovers *(Including The Human Animal),
I'm Jerry Howe, Director of Research, Human And Animal
Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory. I've
got forty five years specializing in temperament and
behavior problems and protection training of mostly
giant breed working dogs, mostly Great Danes, English
Mastiffs, Giant Schnauzers, Rottweilers, Dobermans, as
well as most other breeds including toy and s****ting dogs
and horses, birds, monkeys, ferrets and children *(which
are JUST LIKE monkeys).
For the past eight years I've mostly trained dogs FOR FREE,
online, thanks to V.P. Al Gore inventing the internet~!
THANKS Al~!
I am NOT a "REWARDS BASED TRAINER" nor am I a "BALANCED
TRAINER." "Rewards trainers" rely on offering and witholding
attention affection and BRIBES. "BALANCED trainers" rely on
a combination of bribery and intimidation pain fear force
and avoidance when their bribery FAILS.
I train ALL my students by using PRAISE IN ADVANCE,
installation of the come command as a conditional
reflex A La Pavlov and strict reliance on UNCONDITIONAL
LOVE, TRUST, and RESPECT and BRIEF, VARIABLY ALTERNATING,
NON PHYSICAL DISCRACTION INSTANTLY followed by PROLONGED,
NON PHYSICAL PRAISE.
So called positive reinforcement is MEANINGLESS, other
than to say, "something is ADDED or TAKEN AWAY", like a
cookie or a shock or choke or ear pinch or freedom.
Negative reinforcement means NO RESPONSE, i.e., NOT
choking, NOT shocking, NOT giving a reward, NOT locking
a dog in a box, NOT praising AND MOST IM****TANTLY, NOT
PUNI****NG~!
Classical conditioning means letting the dog figure
it out all by hisself through repetition, trial and
error, and SHEER LUCK, and rewarding apupriate behavior,
i.e., self learning; The dog rewards itself, like the
idea of leaving a dog who messes the house in the
backyard TILL IT FORGETS to MESS IN THE HOUSE - he's
classically conditioned himself to relieve himself on
the grass~! Or locking the dog in a box till he forgets
to relieve himself on the floor.
THAT'S C. C.!
So, for starters, let's clear up some common, basic
scientific misconceptions of behavior and training.
Here's the SCIENCE:
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY
model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."
IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov:
"Motivation Of The Resistance To Coercion "-- PAVLOV
"Reflexes of purpose and freedom" in the comparative
physiology of higher nervous activity, Institute of
Higher Nervous Activity and Neurophysiology, Academy
of Sciences, Moscow:
The most complex unconditioned "reflexes of aim and
freedom," discovered by I.P. Pavlov, are compared
with the "competence drive" and the "motivation of the
resistance to coercion," respectively, described by
contem****ary ethologists.
On the basis of the unconditioned "reflex of purpose,"
conditioned reflexes were developed in which positive
emotions arising in connection with the perfection of
a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at
a given moment, serve as the reinforcement.
The unconditioned "reflex of freedom" is regarded as a
phylogenetic precursor of the will, and its acute extinction
as the physiological mechanism of hypnosis. It was
demonstrated experimentally that the appearance of the
state of "animal hypnosis" (immobilization catatonia) in
rabbits is accompanied by the predominance of electrical
activity and heat production in the right hemisphere, i.e.,
by symptoms which are found in hypnosis in man.
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"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH,
That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And
Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The
Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies.
"All animals learn best through play," Lorenz.
"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) re****t a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are re****ted to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
were moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and
learning immediately deteriorated.
Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement
model" proposed by Skinner (1963) are no more well
established in research than the various dynamic
therapists."
Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of
programmed systems for learning; 2) reinforcement;
3) cognitive dissonance; and 4) motivation, MOST
SURELY DEMOLISH the claims of operant programers."
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966).
Some clinics have re****ted ELIMINATION of the
need for child THERAPY through changing the
clinical emphasis from clinical to parental
HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents tem****arily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
A. S. Neill, The Famous Founder of The Summerhill
School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back
In The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They
Wet The Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass And Their
Behaviour Would Stop, - As If By MAGICK!
The Embry Study:
"While some may find it strange that reprimands
might increase the chances of a child going into
the street, the literature on the experimental analysis
of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention
to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of
more inappropriate behavior.
Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason
with their children about da****ng into the street will
likely to have the opposite impact.
Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it."
Source:
"Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to
Preschoolers by Parent Training and Symbolic
Modeling for Children: An Experimental Analysis
in the Natural Environment. Research Re****t
Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."
B.F. Skinner: Re-evaluation of Punishment
Punishment, unfortunately traditionally overused,
actually has been proven not effective at long-
term behavioral change, and creatures will find
other ways of getting what it wants. In "Freedom
and the control of men" American Scholar, Winter
1955-56, 25, 47-65. 1956 he states:
If we no longer resort to torture in what we call
the civilized world, we nevertheless still make
extensive use of punitive techniques in both
domestic and foreign relations. And apparently for
good reasons. Nature if not God has created man
in such a way that he can be controlled punitively.
People quickly become skillful punishers (if not,
thereby, skillful controllers), whereas alternative
positive measures are not easily learned.
The need for punishment seems to have the sup****t
of history, and alternative practices threaten the
cherished values of freedom and dignity.
Fear involved with punishment causes frustration:
with typical results loathing, hostility and apathy.
Skinner's teaching on the superiority of posittive
reinforcement's benefits for keeping desired behavior
have proved very valuable.
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In the followin SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH STUDY, you may
substitute pronged spiked pinch or slip choke collars
for shock and add PUNISHMENT, SCOLDING, CRATING, and
witholding rewards, attention, and affection:
Psychological Effects
At issue is the question, --Do electronic training
devices elicit psychological responses?
"This section cites several research studies in which the
psychological impact of the use of electronic training devices
was analyzed. It is difficult, at best, for anyone to determine
the full psychological effect of these devices or training methods
until we can agree on exactly what constitutes a stress signal in
a domestic dog. Not only do none of the researchers agree on
what it is, but it varies from dog to dog.
It is even more difficult for humans to determine the full effect
of shock on a dog (or any animal) due to the animal's hard-wired
need to hide pain in order to survive in the wild.
Training dogs with the help of the shock collar: Short and long
term behavioral effects. (Schilder, M. & van der Borga, J. (2004).
Applied Animal Behavior Science, 85, 319-334).
The goal of this study was to determine the behavioral changes in
dogs during training using electronic training collars. Thirty-two
dogs were divided into two groups, each receiving both general
obedience and protection training.
One group was trained with shock collars and the other group
without shock collars. The dogs trained with the shock collars
displayed signs of stress: lowering of body posture, high-pitched
yelps, barks and squeals, avoidance, redirected aggression, and
tongue flicking.
It was also noted by the authors that, even during play and relaxed
walking, the group of dogs trained with shock collars continued to
show signs of stress while in the company of their handler.
The authors concluded that shock-collar training is stressful;
receiving shocks is a painful experience to dogs; and the shock
group of dogs evidently learned that the presence of their owner
(or his commands) announced the reception of shocks, even
outside of the normal training context.
They suggest that the welfare of these shocked dogs is at
stake, at least in the presence of their owners.
This study has come under considerable fire because the experience
of the handlers and dogs is not clear, and the level of shock is not
stated. With that said, it does suggest that dogs are stressed by
the
experience of being shocked during training.
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Instrumental / Classical / Operant / Conditioning
CC / OC / IC / -P +P / +R -R / S R / R S
It's ALL The SAME SAME SAME SAME B.S.
<{); ~ ) >
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400
You might improve the learning of folk who actually
live with and train dogs to do useful things if you
excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.
I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor
of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR
OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.
This married pair of psychologists began the long trail
of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu
eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating
the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size
of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum!
The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's
summing up book, ***ULATIVE RECORD. They include a
sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand
the personal history of the particular animal, and the
history of this animal's species and group, the developmental
history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.
Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without
scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking,
you aren't going to have much success.
A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original
primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the
animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond,
say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright
light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex
of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.
Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training
and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross
motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the
animal takes action and uses an instrument.
The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other
contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator,
Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology
went haring after phantasmagora.
The major theorists for the development of the language of
operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and
B. F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major
role in the development of American psychology.
They proposed that learning is the result of the application
of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain
responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the
probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)
Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using
consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g.,
an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant"
because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is
influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning
illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often
viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that
follows the response that influences whether the response
is likely or unlikely to occur again.
It is through operant conditioning that
voluntary responses are learned.
One should note that Russian Psychology did very well
without the operant language, and only pettifogging
university professors ought to worry about what kind
of label we attach to the learning. Pfui!
Even Skinner understood this!
And please note if you saw the original movie, THE
MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist
who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX
THERAPY.
Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued
us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy
to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite
Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as
it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a
continual change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
What's im****tant is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
Who's Who Honoree since 1983
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine you may find my resume
in Who's Who in Science and Technology I have been listed
in Who's Who in the S & SE USA since 1982, and in the big
books, Who's Who in the USA, WW in the World, WW in Medicine
etc, and WW in Science and Technology, since that date.
These are the Marquis Publications, the "real" WW, and
you can't get yourself into them.
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In other words, Dear FellHOWE Animal Lovers:
A DOG Is A DOG;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A GOAT Is A GOAT;
As A FERRET Is A FERRET;
As A MONKEY Is A MONKEY:
As A HORSE Is A HORSE;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES;
As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.
ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Cir***stances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
You GET The Critter You TRAINED
In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
ALL dogs and ALL temperament and behavior problems can be
quickly and EZily trained / rehabilitated for ALL handlers
NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOING EVERY THING EXXXACTLY
PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE professional dog trainers and
university trained behaviorists recommend.
Housebreaking is INSTINCTIVE at four weeks of age. NO
critter will soil his own den UNLESS he's SICK or UNHAPPY
or not given access to a relief area:
Why Do You Reward The Dog For Being Bad?
Was:
Punish Dogs Children SP-HOWESESWith PRAISE,
Unconditional LOVE, TRUST, And RESPECT
<{) ; - ) >
Always praise the dog to show him that you affectionally
sup****t or love him. Praising the dog has nothing to do
with what he has just done, it has to do with your
relation****p with him.
"Good dog" means "I love you, dog".
If the dog is anxious, then you make certain that he
knows that he is in a safe and trusting environment.
You praise and admire him.
Correction is the opposite signal, you are my enemy,
and this results, quite naturally, in the dog behaving
aggresively - why not, you've declared that you are his
enemy.
Why does paradoxical reward work?
The dog defecates on the floor. You come up and say
"Good Dog" you love and praise him.
THE DOG KNOWS YOU LOVE HIM.
The dog defecates on the floor because he is anxious.
No wild wolf, jackal, or coyote defecates in his den.
If he defecates in his den its because a bear is outside
trying to get in and eat him.
The dog knows that it is stupid to
defecate where he eats or sleeps.
Don't you?
If the dog feels safe he'll behave as if he
is safe, no pooping on the living room floor.
Almost all maladaptive behavior is due to fear, anxiety,
expectation of disaster. Correct the situation, and the
dog behaves fluently like a ..... Dog!
Punishment deranges behavior, it is never never never appropriate.
Love the dog.
Praise is never punishment, praise is like giving a
piece of steak. If you give a piece of steak to a dog
after he defecates on the floor he'll stop defecating
on the floor.
Fondly, Dr. Von
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Aggression, destructive behavior, self-mutilation / paw licking,
fear of thunder, separation anxiety, car sickness, leash pulling,
ALL obsessive compulsive disorders and 90% of ALL DIS-EASE are
CAUSED
BY STRESS from the use of REPRESSIVE ALPHA-DUMINANCE IDIOCY /
ABUSE, N.I.L.I.F. / offering and witholding bribes a.k.a. clicker
training, crating, surgical ***ual mutilation, and fear force and
intimidation devices like pronged collars / head halters, shock
devices, aversive sprays etc., therefore they CAN ALL BE
EXXXTINGUISHED NEARLY INSTANTLY simply be DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY
PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE you've been TRAINED by the EXXXPERTS who
PROFIT from your hard****p, like dra. patricia mcconnel, dr. ian
dunbar, dr. nicholas dodman, dr. mark plonsky, dra. karen overall,
dra. catherine houpt, karen pryor, jean donaldson, uncle matty,cesar
millan, et. al., to name a few, and captain arthur haggerty *(R.I.P.
captain [he died while SUING me for defamation, slander, and of all
things, EMOTIONAL DISTRESS~!]) <{}:*~ ( >
Of curse there's PLENTY of folks who WON'T LIKE what I
teach, as it NULIFIES THEIR LIVES. HOWEver apupriate
handling and training IS a LIFE or DEATH critteria of
ETHICAL BREEDING, MORALS and PRINCIPALS.
My feeling as a trainer is First Do No Harm. I try to
make sure I only teach and use methods that even in
the hands of a completely un-dog-savvy person could not
possibly harm a dog. THAT'S HOWE COME I'm The Sincerely
Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic
Grand Master, Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret,
Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
Here's an SAR trainer of twenty years EXXXPERIENCE:
From: Mike (m.bidd...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
> > Mike
> Ok Mike which part worked for you?
It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works like a charm.
My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.
Sorry that slipped my mind.
I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.
Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you train
out the problems leaving what you want left over.
Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the
first dog.
Seemed he learned through osmosis.
Nice side benefit there.
It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.
I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.
I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.
I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG FOR 6 HRS!
first night, that has never happened in all my days.
Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.
Mike
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Here's a professional dog trainer of thirty years experience:
From: BNTDO...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:22 PM
Subject: Update
Hi Jerry,
Just an update to let you know how things are going.
Hunter is doing really great thanks to you and your
training manual.
I cancelled the appointment with the new vet to get
him re-evaluated for aggression. all weekend long I
had kids run by the fence to try and make him bark.
He didn't!
Tonight we are going to PetsMart to work on his
dog aggression but even that is going good for him.
I have less and less of a problem with him in my
vehicle. He doesn't try so hard to protect
it from the four wheeled monsters that go by.
I think soon I'll be able to leave his window open when
we go down the road and he won't try to jump out at
the cars that go by.
I have shared the manual with several dog owners
that I know and even a group of dog trainers.
Thank you again.
Kay
From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
To: <BNTDO...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: Update
Have your vet call me if he's interested in behavior.
XXX/OOO. Jerry.
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From: BNTDO...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: THANKS ALISON! - "Owners Should Always
Be Given The Cold, Hard Facts: They Should NEVER FEEL
GUILTY For Having An Aggressive Dog Euthanized."
Dear Jerry,
It's Kay here. I don't know who these people are that
maligning you and your training manual but tell them
from me that it does work.
Hunter is just doing so well even the people who advocated
putting him down are impressed with him.
I even started using it with the neighbor's dog. I went over
there to help her cut his nails. She started yelling at him
for growling at me. I told her to tell him what a good boy he
is instead. Lo and behold he stopped growling and I could
do his nails.
All 4 feet.
My dog Hunter was trained with the old jerk and pull method
and my other dog was trained with treats. Hunter has gotten
his enthusiasm back for his training and I couldn't be more
pleased.
He even tried to kiss a child the other day.
Major break through.
This is the dog that a few months ago tried to eat the kids
through the fence. I can now take him in the car with me
again without him trying to chase cars through the wind****eld.
So Jerry tell these people that the first rule of dog training
is Do No Harm.
The 2nd rule is whatever works without breaking the first
rule.
Aggressive dogs don't need to be put down. Hunter was
diagnosed aggressive and he is going to stay alive and
by my side where he belongs.
Thank you so much.
Kay
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From: jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(The Puppy Wizard)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 06:07:52 -0000
Subject: "Your Method Takes Positive Training To The Next Level
And Should Really Be Used By All Tainers Who Call Themselves
Trainers,"
Kay Pierce.
From: <BNTDO...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: <jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Wits end Training
Jerry,
I started Hunter on his training using your manual
and training method. What a marked difference in
just a few hours.
I had him in my van and just using the sound with
his remote trainer and telling him he's a good dog
when he started looking like he was going to bark
at a car worked great.
He only barked 2 or 3 times. Then I took him to a
spot that we had used years ago to train, Jerry I
have hope that I can have my happy dog back soon.
And not this tense unhappy creature I live with now.
He was so happy today. I am looking forward to
getting the machine so that he can stay that way.
Thank you,
Kay Pierce
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From: <BNTDO...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: <jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 7:54 PM
Subject: Making Progress
Hello Jerry,
Hunter and I started working the recall and family
pack exercise today. On leash and in the house
he has a perfect recall.
And I think he really started to relax and enjoy
himself I swear he was laughing.
I had taught him to go to the heel position when he
comes to me years ago. And over the past few months
I have had to tell him to go there. Today he flew into
the heel position each and every time without me saying
a word to him about it.
He has never bounced like that before.
I trained him using conventional methods with a choker and
pinch collar. Over the past few days we have been using his
regular collar. I can tell that he enjoys it more.
As I mentioned before I am a dog trainer and when I trained
my latest dog I used all positive reinforcements techniques.
When I trained for that I had been amazed at the results.
Your method takes positive training to the next level and
should really be used by all trainers who call themselves
trainers.
My Hunter is concentrating on me and not on the treat he
thinks he wants. My other dog wants treats before she'll
do anything.
As soon as I get Hunter straightened out she's next.
Thank you so much,
Kay Pierce
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From: <BNTDO...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: <jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Cc: <HullCr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 6:50 PM
Subject: Head Hunter
Dear Jerry,
Just thought I would write to let you know how
well Hunter is doing. He had been trained using
the conventional methods for obedience. He had
gotten used to a choker and a pinch collar.
Alot of pain and a lot of jerking around. I had also
tried using positive reinforcement methods that I
had been trained in. He was so busy looking for
the treat that he didn't really want to work.
So I went back to using the pinch collar on him
and also a gentle leader when we were in public.
Slowly by degrees his behavior got worse and
he did deserve his reputation as a vicious dog.
The vet had recommended that he be put down.
I was in a panic when I found your web site.
Thanks! He is now the happy dog that I first
started out with 5 years ago. I am a professional
trainer and it was distressing to me that I could not
help my own dog. I had been told that some dogs
don't respond to any kind of training and that a
vicious dog can never be trusted again.
I disagree!
Hunter is a sight hound and now I can take him
with me and he doesn't chase cars as much
anymore which is one of his main problems.
We are working on the dog aggression thing.
And I am confident that will be successful too.
I also have your BIOSOUND machine and that
too is working good. I know of several rescue
groups that would benefit from it.
This is rather long I know but it comes from the
heart. My Head Hunter Green and I have together
along time and have been through so much together.
Thank you for helping me save his life.
Kay Pierce
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From: <Caninesanctu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: <BNTDO...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:49 PM
Subject: Jerry the jerk howe
Kay if you only knew what a jerk howe is it's either
his way or your wrong no matter what training method
you use. In a post re: adopting a shelter dog he
stated "fu*k Buster" if you want I can refer you to the
post.
He's nothing but a blowhard and if he was closer I
would pay him a visit. He used your post from July
in his rebuttal
Bob Garrett
From: BNTDO...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Caninesanctu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: Jerry the jerk howe
I have to strongly disagree that Jerry is a jerk. I am a
dog trainer and I have been for almost 30 years. I
believe strongly in positive reinforcement. My youngest
was trained using treats and praise.
My oldest how ever was not trained that way I am ashamed
to say. The result a very dangerous dog.
He has problems with barrier and dominance aggression. A
year ago he put a hole in my leg that took weeks to heal.
When the vet and all of my friends advocated putting him
down I found Jerry's website. I was looking for a natural
way to calm my dog and train him all over again as well.
You say Jerry is a jerk well I have talked to him on the
phone and consulted him about his training methods.
I really grilled him before I even considered using his
methods.
He loves dogs. Using his methods my Head Hunter is
now a very sweet dog. I get kisses instead of growls.
When he growls or even looks like he is going to bark
I tell him what a good dog he is and right away he shuts
up, looks at me like I'm nuts. But doesn't try to eat anyone.
I am happy to say that the vet thinks I have him on major
drugs. I don't! I still use a muzzle on him when I have to
take him to iffy places. But hey, I know he is now a sugar.
And the most im****tant thing he is happy again.
It's a free country and you are entitled to your opinion.
I have mine.
Sincerely
Kay
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Here's a professional trainer of 33 years experience.
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - Marilyn.
Subject: To Jerry
1 From: MarilynRammell
Date: Tues, Aug 3 1999 3:00 am
Email: "MarilynRammell" <marilynramm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Hello Jerry,
A client of mine asked to say a 'big thank you' to you.
They have a 8 month spaniel that they were about to get
rid of.
In fact they had put her into kennels for a few day while
they 'thought it through'. They rang me the day before
they were due to collect her.
She had wrecked their home - everytime they left her she
destroyed something else. The walls, the cabinets, the
carpets, table legs, chair legs, - anything and everything.
They collected her and brought her to me. I gave them some
routine training exercises, and also I wrote out your advice
(I will say at this point that I was not sure about it at all,
and felt a little embarrassed - it was the advice about the
'toy dog that gets the praise for not making a mess'.
Anyway, this was 11 days ago and I heard nothing. Yesterday
they turned up at the new Monday evening class. They were
absolutely delighted.
They told me that after just one attempt, (your toy suggestion)
she 'stopped all the destruction'. They were in tear of happiness
while telling me.
Thank you Jerry.
Respectfully,
Marilyn
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From: Marilyn Rammell (marilynramm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Separation anxiety (?) help needed!
Date: 1999/10/13
Hi Steve,
Just want to second Jerry's method for dealing with this -
I've suggested it to quite a few clients now and it's worked
'every' time.
It sounds a little 'amusing' I agree, but it really works.
Two of the occasions it's worked have been when the
owners were almost at the point of giving up (one had
actually put their dog into kennels for a few days so
that they could re-decorate the demolition done by the dog).
They rang me while the dog was still in kennels and were
not yet decided whether to collect the dog or not.
The very first time they tried Jerry's method, it worked.
Best of luck,
Marilyn Rammell
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ALL Temperament And Behavior Problems Are
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
"The day may come when the rest of the animal creation
may acquire those rights
which never could have been withholden from them
but by the hand of tyranny.
The question is not can they REASON,
nor can they TALK,
but can they SUFFER?" -
- Jeremy Bentham
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised
for the good of its victims,
may be the most oppressive.
Those who torment us for our own good
will torment us without end,
for they do so with the approval of
their own conscience." -
- C.S. Lewis.
"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny",
Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon.
"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.
What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George
All truth p***** through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer
"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.
"If you've got them by the balls
their hearts and minds
will follow,"
John Wayne.
ANY QUESTIONS, People?
"Ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you mad." -
~Aldous Huxley.
"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
"Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"
-Friedrich Schiller.
INDEEDY.
AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!
In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
The WORLD'S CRUELEST Trainer,
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
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Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ;~ ) >
HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >
Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092 (Call ANY TIME)
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