Talk About Network

Google


Register and Login
Nick
Password
Register create new account Sign up is FREE and you can post replies, new topics, bookmark posts and more!
Recover lost password


Pets > Dogs, Rescue > Re: Becoming Ve...
Latest [ Topics | Posts ] Archive Post A New Topic Post a Reply
<< Topic < Post Post 1 of 1 Topic 15898 of 16056
Post > Topic >>

Re: Becoming Very Discouraged - Heartbreaking

by <DelusionalDimensionsRecoveryDDR@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 3, 2008 at 08:23 PM

HOWEDY dwmeowmix you pathetic animal murderin mental case,

<DWMeowMix@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:8e744b59-6e42-48f5-9dfc-0a81e50b10d6@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Feb 26, 11:14 am,
"Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laborat...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"
<Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laborat...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
> HOWEDY mc,
>
> "mc" <pulpfictionfan2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:
>
> 0ff7d38c-4772-41c1-adf9-0a8032f0b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Welcome to The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
> Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child,
> *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey
> Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
> SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method
> Manual Forums And Human And Animal Behavior Forensic
> Sciences Research Laboratory.
>
> I'm Jerry Howe, The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
> Insanely Simply Amazing, Grand, Puppy, Child,
> *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And
> Horsey Wizard, Director Of Trainin an Research <{}: ~ ) >
>
> Here's my 
>
manual:http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard/777witsendmanual.htm
>
> There you will find ALL the FREE information you need
> to pupperly handle raise and train your pets and family.
> Just follow the instructions PRECISELY and ASK me if
> you need any additional FREE HEELP <{}: ~ ) >
>
> > Most everyone on this board has been very helpful
>
> That so? You mean you've CURED the problem you came here with?
>
> > and friendly.
>
> INDEEDY~!
>
> Your fellHOWE kat lovers are a very friendly, close knit group of
> devoted kat lovers who likeWIZE have the SAME PROBLEMS
> for the SAME REASONS <{}: ~ ( >
>
> > I thought I should introduce myself before I go
> > into the latest episode we are experiencing with Max.
>
> Do you have a very long case history of chronic incurable
> mental illness, compulsive lying, and hurting intimidating
> and murderin innocent defenseless dumb critters like your
> newfHOWEND pals?
>
> > My husband and I have two - going on three cats now. We also
> > have some birds. Our pets are more like our children, really.
>
> INDEED?
>
> > We do not have children, our pets are our children, LOL.
>
> Well then, the same methods apply to children as they do kats an dogs.
>
> > I joined the group because everyone really has been very helpful
>
> INDEEDY~!
>
> > and I enjoy reading all the posts.
>
> Of curse <{}: ~ ( >
>
> > So thanks so much to all of you who have posted in response.
>
> You mean, the MENTAL PATIENTS who HURT INTIMIDATE
> SURGICALLY ***UALLY and DIGITALLY MUTILATE an
> MURDER their kats <{}: ~ ( >
>
> > You may or may not recall that we have Max, a gray
> > and white tabby and Butterball, an orange and white tabby.
>
> > Max just underwent that horrible awful surgery for the crystal issue.
>
> Yeah. "That horrible awful surgery for the crystal issue"
> is the result of STRESS from toxic veterinary malpractice,
> garbage commercial kat food and MISHANDLING.
>
> > I won't go into the specifics, but it sure is a nasty surgery. I
> > almost posted earlier this past week... but we are working
> > through all of this.
>
> That so?
>
> > For example he hates the elizabethian collar he has to wear
> > until the stitches come out and he has been scraping his butt
> > on the floor because it must itch like crazy...
>
> Oh, that's EZ to fix. Here's a couple of The Puppy Wizard's
> FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual Students
> tellin you HOWE they done it EZ GENTLY NEARLY
> INSTANTLY and FOR FREE:
>
> "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> schreef 
> inberichtnews:DLpzb.2640$Qd6.1560@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> My dog (a 1 year old Yellow Lab) was biting his tail
> at the root (Vet said his anal gland was blocked, and
> was causing an itch).
>
> After squeezing it, he still wouldn't stop biting his
> tail. The vet advised a neck-funnel (don't know wat
> you US-guy's call those) so he couldn't reach his butt.
>
> I hate those things, i think they will drive a dog nuts.
>
> I tried the wits end method. (difficult to read such a long
> textfile if English is not your native language) Luckily this
> is without all the "HOWE's" etc.so at least it's readable for
> somebody like me.
>
> The minute he started to bite i trew my key's
> next to him on the floor, and praised him (he
> stopped biting and looked up when he heard
> the sound) I did this 7 times,
>
> after that the tailbiting completely stopped.
> Just give the wits end method a try.
>
> One of the possible downloadlocations
> ishttp://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html
>
> Hennie van Dalenwww.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
>
> ----------------------------
>
> "Paul B" <ab...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> schreef in 
> berichtnews:3ff50d83@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > Both my dogs at some stage have licked a spot
> > somewhere on their bodies and I have always
> > managed to train them to stop. In all cases there
> > was nothing wrong that licking would have helped
> > (Roz has had cut pads, stitches in her belly and
> > skin itrritations, all tempting her to lick), none of their
> > licking has been due to any allergies
> >. When I see the dog licking more than normal I
> > look at the spot to see whats there and decide if
> > a vet appointment is needed or to wait and see,
> > keeping a close eye.
> >To stop the licking I distract the dog and give it
> > some friendly banter, when it starts licking again
> > I repeat, usually after about 4 times the dog stops,
> > for the moment at least, if it starts again then repeat,
> > before long the dog has no more desire to lick that
> > spot at all.
>
> The same thing worked with my lab licking/chewing
> problem too. He had an itch due to blocked anal glands
> and started chewing and licking his tail at the root.
>
> After the glands were squeezed, and the itch was
> gone he still wouldn't stop. (because the place he
> chewed raw was itching)
>
> After some training (roughly the same methode as
> yours) he stopped.
>
> --
> Hennie van 
>
Dalenwww.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> > I have considered getting diapers for him to prevent him from
> > scratching those stitches out... maybe I could even take the collar
> > off him if I could find a diaper that worked for this situation.
>
> That's ABSURD.
>
> > I just don't want the urine resting up on that surgical site.
>
> THAT'S HOWE COME IT'S ABSURD.
>
> > I have found some diapers that might just work on the internet,
> > though. I could make some for the time being. I am beginning
> > to think I may have to use diapers on him for the rest of his life...
> > and I will if it comes to that.
>
> Well then, you'd be in EXXXCELLENT company~!
>
> Many of your fellHOWE pathetic miserable stinkin rotten
> lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active accute chronic
> life long incurable malignant maliciHOWES mental cases
> put underpants on their dogs an kats to prevent their anxiety
> pissin all over their HOWES <{}: ~ ( >
>
> > Max has been hiding out in a bedroom downstairs since he
> > got home from the vets. Each night I go and get him and bring
> > him upstairs to hold and love while I read or find something
> > else to occupy myself. I just want him to feel loved during this
> > difficult time.
>
> Yeah. LUCKY thing you love him. Many of your fellHOWE
> pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin punk
> thug coward active accute chronic life long incurable malignant
> maliciHOWES mental cases MURDER their kats over this.
>
> > Then after I put him down for awhile he gets a tiny bit more
> > confident but as soon as he has a problem with that collar
> > (like banging into things with it) he goes running back
> > downstairs.
>
> Your kat gets SCARED when the collar bangs into stuff.
>
> You can EXXXTINGUISH his fear NEARLY INSTANTLY
> just like HOWE you can EXXXTINGUISH his urinary problems,
> simply by PRAISING him when he has a problem like missin
> his litter box or bangin into a wall wearin that collar.
>
> > I also spend some time petting and talking to him in "his" room, too.
>
> Yeah. He needs NON PHYSICAL praise and reassurance.
>
> > But the crux here is that Max is still not using
> > the litter box as we would hope.
>
> There's ONLY TWO *(2) reasons HOWE COME a dog or
> kat would have HOWEsbreakin problems:
>
> 1. He's SICK
>
> OR
>
> 2. He's UNHAPPY.
>
> Your kat's "DIS-EASE" AIN'T causin him to miss the litterbox.
>
> > He uses the box probably most of the time,
>
> INDEED?
>
> LUCKY THING you can CURE that problem NEARLY
> INSTANTLY using the HOWEsbreakin advice in your
> own 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
> SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method
> Manual <{}: ~ ) >
>
> AND LIKE THIS:
>
> A. S. Neill, Tthe Famous Founder of The Summerhill
> School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back
> In The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They
> Wet The Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass And Their
> Behaviour Would Stop, - As If By MAGICK!
>
> AND LIKE THIS:
>
> The Embry Study:
>
> "While some may find it strange that reprimands
> might increase the chances of a child going into
> the street, the literature on the experimental analysis
> of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention
> to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of
> more inappropriate behavior.
>
> Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason
> with their children about da****ng into the street will
> likely to have the opposite impact.
>
> Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it."
>
> Source:
>
> "Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to
> Preschoolers by Parent Training and Symbolic
> Modeling for Children: An Experimental Analysis
> in the Natural Environment. Research Re****t
> Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."
>
> --------------------
>
> > it just seems like the problem is getting worse, not better.
>
> Naaaah?
>
> > I have been doing a search on this group for information...
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
> > other people have posted in regard to this issue in the past...
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
> > I am becoming REALLY FRUSTRATED
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
> > as I just love this loving cat!
>
> Well then, you're in EXXXCELLENT company~!
>
> > He is very special to us.
>
> INDEEDY~!
>
> > He just has so much personality and he is so
> > affectionate without being obnoxious.
>
> You mean when he AIN'T PISSIN all over your HOWES from STRESS.
>
> > I cannot keep a cat that pees where ever he feels like.
>
> LUCKY THING YOU LOVE HIM SO MUCH~!
>
> > My plan is to purchase a black light.
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
> > Then I am going to clean every spot I can find
> > and spray it all down with an enzymatic cleaner.
>
> THAT'S INSANE. Dogs an kats DO NOT mark over their
> own spots. They **** an piss in their own HOWESES on
> accHOWENTA THEY AIN'T HAPPY:
>
> Why Do You Reward The Dog For Being Bad?
> Was:
> Punish Dogs Children SP-HOWESES With PRAISE,
> Unconditional LOVE, TRUST, And RESPECT
> <{) ; - ) >
>
> Always praise the dog to show him that you affectionally
> sup****t or love him. Praising the dog has nothing to do
> with what he has just done, it has to do with your
> relation****p with him.
>
> "Good dog" means "I love you, dog".
>
> If the dog is anxious, then you make certain that he
> knows that he is in a safe and trusting environment.
> You praise and admire him.
>
> Correction is the opposite signal, you are my enemy,
> and this results, quite naturally, in the dog behaving
> aggresively - why not, you've declared that you are his
> enemy.
>
> Why does paradoxical reward work?
>
> The dog defecates on the floor. You come up and say
> "Good Dog" you love and praise him.
>
> THE DOG KNOWS YOU LOVE HIM.
>
> The dog defecates on the floor because he is anxious.
> No wild wolf, jackal, or coyote defecates in his den.
> If he defecates in his den its because a bear is outside
> trying to get in and eat him.
>
> The dog knows that it is stupid to
> defecate where he eats or sleeps.
>
> Don't you?
>
> If the dog feels safe he'll behave as if he
> is safe, no pooping on the living room floor.
>
> Almost all maladaptive behavior is due to fear, anxiety,
> expectation of disaster. Correct the situation, and the
> dog behaves fluently like a ..... Dog!
>
> Punishment deranges behavior, it is never never never appropriate.
>
> Love the dog.
>
> Praise is never punishment, praise is like giving a
> piece of steak. If you give a piece of steak to a dog
> after he defecates on the floor he'll stop defecating
> on the floor.
>
> Fondly, Dr. Von
>
> George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
> Academy of Behavioral Medicine you may find my resume
> in Who's Who in the S & SE USA since 1982, and in the
> big books, Who's Who in the USA, WW in the World,
> WW in Medicine etc, and WW in Science and Technology,
> since that date.
>
> These are the Marquis Publications, the "real" WW,
> and you can't get yourself into them.
>
> GvH
> --------------------
>
> > I will even just keep him in a room with
> > the litter boxes for awhile if I have to.
>
> You think he'll LIKE that?
>
> OR do you think he'll see it as PUNISHMENT?:
>
> B.F. Skinner: Re-evaluation of Punishment
>
> Punishment, unfortunately traditionally overused,
> actually has been proven not effective at long-
> term behavioral change, and creatures will find
> other ways of getting what it wants. In "Freedom
> and the control of men" American Scholar, Winter
> 1955-56, 25, 47-65. 1956 he states:
>
> If we no longer resort to torture in what we call
> the civilized world, we nevertheless still make
> extensive use of punitive techniques in both
> domestic and foreign relations. And apparently for
> good reasons. Nature if not God has created man
> in such a way that he can be controlled punitively.
>
> People quickly become skillful punishers (if not,
> thereby, skillful controllers), whereas alternative
> positive measures are not easily learned.
>
> The need for punishment seems to have the sup****t
> of history, and alternative practices threaten the
> cherished values of freedom and dignity.
>
> Fear involved with punishment causes frustration:
> with typical results loathing, hostility and apathy.
> Skinner's teaching on the superiority of posittive
> reinforcement's benefits for keeping desired behavior
> have proved very valuable.
>
> ----------------------------
>
> > I saw another post to suggest a Feliway
> > diffuser in hopes that will help as well.
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAA~!~!~!
>
> > I will also talk to my vet about this on Monday.
> > Do most people have success with this sort of thing?
>
> It works tem****arily on *maybe* 50% of the kats.
>
> > I have heard of problems like this with cats but this
> > is not something I have gone through myself before.
>
> Well, unless you'd prefer to GET USED TO IT, you'll
> have to DO EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY
> OPPOSITE of HOWE you been doin it and HOWE your
> newfHOWEND fellHOWE pathetic miserable stinkin
> rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active
> accute chronic life long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
> mental case pals recommend.
>
> > Very frustrating.
>
> Well, you're in EXXXCELLENT company~!
>
> > Oh, and lest I should forget... they are both on Wellness
> > canned food now... So at this point I am truly at a loss.
>
> So much for all yournewfHOWEND fellHOWE pathetic
> miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug
> coward active accute chronic life long incurable malignant
> maliciHOWES mental case pal's ADVICE, eh??
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
> > Has his behavior become enmeshed? Is he doing this because
> > it still hurts to pee? The surgery site still bleeds a little...
mostly
> > because he will not leave it alone.
>
> Well, LUCKY THING you NHOWE know EXXXACTLY
> PRECISELY HOWE to CURE his problem <{}: ~ ) >
>
> LIKE THIS:
>
> "Postitive emotions arising in connection
> with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
> of its pragmatic significance at a given
> moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
> emotions, not outside rewards, are what
> reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
>
> AND LIKE THIS:
>
> Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH,
> That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And
> Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The
> Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies.
>
> AND LIKE THIS:
>
> "All animals learn best through play," Lorenz.
>
> AND LIKE THIS:
>
> "Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
> reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVERY LEARNING
> THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
> Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge,
> demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon
> that an expected reward not received is experienced
> as a punishment and can produce extensive and
> persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966)."
>
> AND LIKE THIS:
>
> "It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
> deviant behavior of children can be achieved
> through brief, simple educative routines with
> their mothers which modify the mother's social
> behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
> clinics have re****ted ELIMINATION ofthe need for
> child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
> from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
> (Szrynski 1965).
>
> A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
> preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
> of children was required, and almost ALL cases
> SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
> Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
> treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
> the parents tem****arily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
> SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
>
> AND LIKE THIS:
>
> "The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
> technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
> (1966) re****t a standard contingent reward/punishment
> procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
> disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
> six days the boys are re****ted to have been learning
> new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
> were moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and
> learning immediately deteriorated.
>
> Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement
> model" proposed by Skinner (1963) are no more well
> established in research than the various dynamic therapists.
> Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of programmed
> systems for learning; 2) reinforcement; 3) cognitive dissonance;
> and 4) motivation, MOST SURELY DEMOLISH the claims
> of operant programers."
>
> ----------------------
>
> SEE?
>
> "Ye shall know the truth,
> and the truth shall make you mad." -
> ~Aldous Huxley.
>
> "Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
> "Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"
> -Friedrich Schiller.
>
> INDEEDY.
>
> AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!
>
> In Love And Light,
> I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
> The WORLD'S CRUELEST Trainer,
> Jerry Howe,
> The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
> A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
> G-R-A-N-D
> Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey
> SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ;~ ) >
>
> HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >
>
> Sincerely,
> Jerry Howe,
> Director of Research,
> Human And Animal Behavior
> Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
> BIOSOUND Scientific,
> Director of Training,
> Wits' End Dog Training
> 1611 24th St
> Orlando, FL 32805
> Phone: 1-407-425-5092 (Call ANY 
> TIME)http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard
>
> E-mail:
>
> Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
> @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
> @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> TheAmazingPuppyWizard @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 anybody have a short version for all this babbling nonsense?

Newsgroups: alt.cats
From: DWMeow...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 5 Mar 2007 13:32:00 -0800
Subject: Re: Cleaning a dying cat

On Mar 4, 12:15 pm, skybea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:


> Our 16-year-old cat has a tumor in her jaw. Her jaw has swelled up to
> the point where her mouth is always slightly open.

> We know this is terminal, probably in a matter of weeks or months at
> best. I wish there were a way to shrink the tumor, but it  doesn't
> seem feasible for an old cat (she also has failing kidneys and a
> hyperthyroid) So we're trying to make her as comfortable as we can.
> Any suggestions on how to clean a skittish cat? She can't lick
> herself, and we don't want to force her into a bathtub. Also, she can
> still eat, but food sticks to her swollen jaw. We're going to try baby
> food, but maybe there's something better out there?


> SB



I went through the same experience with my Maize some years ago.
And as hard as it is for you to see her suffer, think of how much harder
it is on her.  The hardest part of being a good and responsible pet
parent is knowing when to let go.  I was always sorry that I didn't
stay with my girl when the vet put her down so the only thing I can
suggest is to stay with her and be with her so she isn't too afraid
when relief finally does come.  I'm so sorry for you.  It's hard to
let go of someone you love.

               -----------------------

        BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
 




 1 Posts in Topic:
Re: Becoming Very Discouraged - Heartbreaking
<DelusionalDimensionsR  2008-03-03 20:23:42 

Post A Reply:
  Go here to Signup

AddThis Feed Button


About - Advertising - Contact - Frequently Asked Questions - Privacy Policy - Terms of Use - Signup

Contact
tan12V112 Thu Dec 4 19:08:58 CST 2008.