HOWEDY paul e. schoen, EXXXPLETIVE ADJECTIVES DELETED,
"Paul E. Schoen" <pstech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> I visited a friend today who has a 3 year old female yellow lab.
It's difficulte for me to imagine you with FRIENDS, paule,
EXXXCEPT of curse, for your RESCUE DOG LOVER pal,
helen, who prefers to jerk an choke an intimiate dogs.
> The dog is very friendly and certainly not aggressive in any way,
> but she seemed to have a habit of mouthing and lightly nipping my hands
> for a while until she settled down.
MHOWETHING and nipping are BONDING behaviors, paulie.
> I probably reinforced the behavior by paying attention and petting her
> when she did this.
Good, otherWIZE you might of FRUSTRATED the dog
and caused IT to become angry and bite you <{}': ~ ) >
> It was only mildly annoying,
Have you been takin your anti-psychotic
meds on time with a little food, paulie?
> and was probably only an invitation to play.
Of curse, paulie <{}: ~ ) >
> And I found that I actually liked this puppyish playfulness
> in contrast to Muttley's more aloof and serious disposition.
Of curse. Muttley DON'T DO THAT on accHOWENTA he
DON'T LIKE YOU much and is AFRAID of you, paulie.
> I looked briefly for references to this, and found
> http://www.petplace.com/dogs/nipping-and-mouthing-by-dogs/page1.aspx
That's dr. nicholas dodman, of tufts university, the most
pathetic veterinary college on the face of the earth, other
than perhaps, the black school in Alabama or some such
place which did the shock collar study PAID FOR by the
shock collar manufacturer that jeff dege used to sup****t
shocking dogs to train them.
> among others,
I been tellin you to not read that kind of IDIOCY, paulie. dr.
dodman, like dr. ian dunbar *(altHOWE they are LOATH to
ADMIT it), are SHOCK COLLAR FANS who SELL anti-
psychotic medications to treat phobic and aggressive behaviors
CAUSED BY shock collars, intimidation and bribery <{}: ~ ( >
COINcidentally, paulie, I've REtrained many dogs and their owners
who had been "treated" by dr. dodman and "trained" by his associate
dra. amy marter who writes the veterinary column in Readers Digest,
whom I've talked to, personally. She's a IMBECILE, paulie.
She couldn't even understand the basic functioning of the brain as
I QUOTED to her from "The Oxford Companion To The Brain" to
substantiate my "WILD A$$ED CLAIMS" for the rehabilitation of
NORMAL doggy behaviors AS PROVEN by Pavlov, Corson, Lorenz
and company:
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH,
That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And
Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The
Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies.
"All animals learn best through play," Lorenz.
"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) re****t a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are re****ted to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
were moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and
learning immediately deteriorated.
Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement
model" proposed by Skinner (1963) are no more well
established in research than the various dynamic
therapists."
Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of
programmed systems for learning; 2) reinforcement;
3) cognitive dissonance; and 4) motivation, MOST
SURELY DEMOLISH the claims of operant programers."
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966).
Some clinics have re****ted ELIMINATION of the
need for child THERAPY through changing the
clinical emphasis from clinical to parental
HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents tem****arily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
> which explain the origins of this in puppies as well as the need to
train
> an adult dog to refrain from such behavior.
The entire article is MEANINGLESS BUNK, paulie. I MIGHT
be willin to review it if I'm not entirely disgusted after replying
to your pathetic post <{}: ~ ( >
> She is not my dog, and I will probably
> not encounter her again anytime soon,
*LUCKY* dog, eh, paulie?? I mean, given your own
pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin posted case history.
> but I was wondering how normal this might be
AS STATED, paulie, MHOWETHING is a BONDING behavior.
You can ***(well, NOT YOU, but ANY WON ***well, NOT
ANY WON HERE***), CAN EXXXTINGUISH MHOWETHING
NEARLY INSTANTLY by simply PRAISING IN ADVANCE
and failing THAT, briefly, non physically, alternately distracting
and INSTANTLY PRAISING the "BAD BEHAVIOR" for five
to fifteen seconds.
LIKE THIS:
From: Becky (Becky...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Crate Anxiety
Date: 2002-04-04 12:56:23 PST
Try Jerry Howe's training manual and check out his Doggy
Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo
Or Two Did Too) machine....it is for this.
Please do not listen to the others in here that don't like
him or his methods, they have never tried them....I have
and it works!!!!
I broke my dog from nipping almost 100% in 1 day and
she usually does this SEVERAL times a day and actually
makes my kids bleed!
Try it or contact him! The manual is at the above website
also, and it is free!
Becky
AND LIKE THIS:
"Ned" <komod...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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Hi !
Our black lab girl is 3 months old (she
will be 4 months on the 30th).
When we first brought her home she had
a bad habit of trying to nip our faces (including
my 3 year old twins) during playtime. It drove
everyone in the house nuts and it brought my
little girls to tears as you can imagine.
We tried saying no, and that would just get
her even more excited, so we would yell no
and that would just get her "scared" but still
excited. In short it just wasn't working.
So we finally did what Jerry has suggested
to you. We used a sound do distract her and
we would immediately praise her.
I have to say that it worked great. BUT she
then moved on to nipping at the feet LOL silly
little thing.
So again, we tried no, and then louder no,
but again it didn't work so we went for the
distraction and praise.
I must say that she is doing great!
I hope that helps.
Edyta aka Ned
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SEE?
> and what, if anything, I should try to do if I meet
> the dog (or one with similar behavior) again.
Your fellHOWE "DOG LOVER" pals recommended
IGNORING the dog's BONDING BEHAVIOR or
INTIMIDATING and PUNI****NG and BRIBING IT.
> Also, should I say anything about trying to train
> the dog not to do that,
WHAAAT could you possibly tell them, paulie? You
MIGHT tell them to GET RID of the dog JUST LIKE
HOWE YOU DONE your second "RESCUE DOG"
Lucky when YOU COULDN'T TRAIN IT to be PALS
with your OPPOSITE *** "rescue dog" Muttley who
CHASED OFF an got your DEAD KAT Photon DEAD.
REMEMBER, paulie?
> or do you think maybe they like the dog to be that way?
Your PATHETIC MISERABLE STINKIN ROTTEN LYIN
DOG MURDERING PUNK THUG COWARD PALS think
the dog MAY need to be MURDERED for accidentally hurtin
a child or someWON who'd COMPLAIN that the dog SCARED
them, paulie.
PERHAPS you should STAY THE HEEL AWAY from dogs, eh, paulie?
> She really is a sweet dog, and I really didn't mind the behavior.
Of curse not.
> It is just that I am not familiar with it
Of curse. Perhaps you're better with KATS, eh, paulie?
Oooops~! Your other DEAD KAT Meshon didn't do so good
makin pals with your other DEAD KAT Photon, either.
PERHAPS you should stay away from ALL livin critters, eh, paulie??
> and I wonder if it is something of a breed trait,
THAT'S INSANE, paulie:
A DOG Is A DOG;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A GOAT Is A GOAT;
As A FERRET Is A FERRET;
As A MONKEY Is A MONKEY:
As A HORSE Is A HORSE;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES;
As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.
ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Cir***stances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
You GET The Critter You TRAINED
In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
ALL Temperament And Behavior Problems Are
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
> or more a matter of training or lack thereof, and personal preferences.
EXXXCESSIVE MHOWETING is CAUSED BY ignorameHOWES
EFFORTS to BREAK the "BAD" BONDING BEHAVIOR.
> Paul and Muttley
> Nipping and Mouthing by Dogs By: Dr. Nicholas Dodman
> When puppies play with each other, they use their mouths a lot.
> When they play with you or when they are petted, they usually want to
bite
> or "mouth," too. This behavior is not frankly aggressive
> at this stage - though it may be pre-aggressive.
ONLY when the puppy is PUNISHED, IGNORED, or BRIBED
to EXXXTINGUISH the "BAD BEHAVIOR", paulie <{}: ~ ( >
> There are two different life stages in which mouthiness
> can be an issue - before maturity and after maturity.
See what I mean by "MEANINGLESS BUNK", paulie?
> The pre-maturity variety, all too often not taken seriously, and
> misguidedly interpreted as puppy play, leads to the adult version.
"ALL ANIMALS LEARN BEAST THROUGH PLAY," Lorenz.
REMEMBER, paulie??
What's "misguidedly" got to do with it, paulie?
> Bear in mind that it is easier to "nip" the problem in the bud at this
> stage by training youngsters what is and is not acceptable
> behavior. Even if the behavior has been permitted to flourish into adult
> maturity, it is still possible to take corrective measures.
dr. dodman means IGNORE, BRIBE, and PUNISH the dog.
> Puppy Manners
> When pups are raised by their mothers, there comes a time when mom
starts
> to set limits. Demanding youngsters often want to nurse whenever they
feel
> like it, but a good mom starts to rebuff some of their efforts from the
> tender age of about 3 weeks.
No, paulie. SOME mom dogs intimidate their puppys JUST
LIKE HOWE SOME human moms, like yours, intimidate
and abuse their children. We got BAD parents in ALL species.
COINcidentally, MOST BAD MOM DOGS are OWNED by
DOG ABUSIN COWARDS like yourself and your pals here.
> Nipping is also addressed, not just by mom but by the pup's littermates
as
> well. Too hard a nip might result in a physical admonishment from
mother,
> or the nipped littermate may cry
> out and stop playing.
IOW, they FIGHT. "AGGRESSION IS A LEARNED BEHAVIOR,"
accordin to researchers at Harvard and UCLA <{}: ~ ( >
So much for leavin the puppys with the litter
till twelve weeks old, eh, paulie?
> These natural checks and balances help to develop a puppy's good manners
> and eventual understanding of their impact of certain behaviors on
others.
THAT'S ABSURD.
> When a puppy is raised by a well-meaning human caregiver, however,
proper
> limit setting is sometimes neglected. Some new puppy owners do not
realize
> that nipping is not acceptable
> behavior and that they should discourage it.
DISCOURAGING undesirable behaviors REINFORCES them, paulie.
JUST LIKE HOWE YOU DONE with your DEAD KAT Photon when
you was TRYIN to train Muttley to BE NICE to him by PUNI****NG
his PLAY behavior.
> However, a certain amount of puppy mouthing is acceptable,
That's DHOWEBLE TALK~!
It's EITHER acceptable or NOT.
> even desirable, in the very early stage of a pup's life.
MORE DHOWEBLETALK~!
> If a pup doesn't engage in any oral behaviors toward his minders, he can
> never be taught when enough is enough.
Ahhh, dr. doman means you CAN'T PUNISH the dog to
TEACH IT who's the ALPHALPHA, paulie <{}: ~ ( >
> To emphasize this point, consider improper rearing of usually
> inscrutable chow pups as an example of what can go wrong.
What "can go wrong" is when EXXXPERTS promote DOGGY
RACISM which causes BREED SPECIFIC LEGISLATION.
> As cute as they are, chow puppies are often too serious for their
> own good, don't play much, and may be reluctant to interact.
That's ABSURD.
> If not coaxed out of this indifference, the first time they lay teeth on
> skin may not be until they're 18 months old and the message
> they deliver at this stage is likely to be overkill - sometimes with
> disastrous results.
THAT'S INSANE.
> Instead, permit and even encourage mouthiness, even nipping -
> up to a point. But when mouthing becomes annoying, or the
> pup's needle teeth start to make an unforgettable impression, it's time
to
> curtail the behavior. The idea is to teach the pup that humans are soft
> and ouchy.
THAT'S SHEER IDIOCY.
> Let's suppose your puppy nips you for the first time when it is 4 months
> of age. Having carefully planned out your course of action,
> you wait until the next time your pup lays his teeth on you, withdraw
> your hand rapidly, and loudly exclaim "OUCH."
THAT will TEACH the dog he can CON-TROLL you and
will REINFORCE the undesirable behavior <{}: ~ ( >
> Your interaction with the pup should then cease for a few minutes, just
as
> would happen if the pup were with his littermates.
Most of the time that inspires littermates to PLAY ROUGHER.
> You are teaching "bite inhibition" -
THAT'S ABSURD.
> an essential early lesson for any family dog.
That's ABSURD.
> If things turn out as they should, your pup will adore you,
> respect you, and understand that, even in extreme situations,
> humans do not need to be punctured in order to send them an intense
> signal. Having your dog understand this concept should be part of an
> overall strategy of limit setting and control.
Oh, INSTEAD of EXXXTINGUI****NG the behavior by
simply PRAISING IN ADVANCE and briefly, non physically,
alternately DISTRACTING and INSTANTLY PRAISING for
five to fifteen seconds?
> Not engaging in such a program with a would-be dominant dog
> often leads an unwitting owner down a sorry path of avoidance and
> subservience - a sorry state of affairs, and sometimes a dangerous one,
> too.
THAT'S INSANE.
> Adult Nipping and Mouthiness
> Adult dogs that exhibit excess grabby oral behaviors do so because they
> have not been properly schooled as youngsters.
That's ABSURD.
> They may nip you or grab people by the arm to indicate their wishes or
> admonitions. Being nipped and grabbed by your dog against your will is a
> fairly distressing consequence for an owner.
ONLY if the owner is a COWARD, like yourself and your pals, paulie.
> The correct way for an owner to deal with such a problem is to
immediately
> implement a "leader****p" program in which the dog
> must learn that all good things in life come from you - and for a
> price. One common name for such a program is Nothing in Life
> is Free.
THAT MAKES DOGS AGGRESSIVE:
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge,
demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon that
an expected reward not received is experienced as a
punishment and can produce extensive and persistent
aggression (Azrin et al, 1966)."
> As for adult nipping, avoid cir***stances that can lead to nipping while
> working on the leader****p program.
Ahhh, "CLASSICAL CON-ditioning"~! IOW, dr. dodman
AIN'T GOT NO METHOD other than to offer and withold
bribes.
> If nipping or grabbing occurs do not shout, try to wave your arms
around,
> or pull away. Instead, "turn to stone" and reward
> the dog when he lets go and stops nipping.
THAT will TRAIN the dog to DO IT in order to get
another REWARD for NOT DOIN IT <{}: ~ ( >
> A refinement of this approach to management of the mouthy
> dog is to arm yourself with a clicker and/or delicious food treats and
> ignore him when he engages in any rude and rough
> nipping behavior. The clicker is clicked and the food treat is supplied
> when his nipping ceases. Specifically, 3 seconds after a bout of mouthy
> behavior stops you should click, say "good dog," and offer him a food
> treat.
Evidently dr. dodman never heard of Dr. Skinner?
> For more frenetic nippers, a head halter with training lead
> attached can be employed as negative reinforcement
"NEGATIVE REINFORCEMENT" MEANS NO RESPONSE.
Evidently dr. dodman flunked psych 101, eh, people??
> to increase the frequency of the desired behavior -
> letting go when instructed, e.g. Out!
So, THAT MEANS the dog needs to be COMMANDED
to NOT DO THAT somemore? So much for dr. dodman.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> Conclusion
> Many people don't realize that attention in any shape or form,
> positive or negative, may serve as a reward and can reinforce
> an unwanted behavior.
Oh? Oh, JUST LIKE HOWE dr. dodman's been tellin us TO DO~!
> If a dog takes hold of your arm and you start to yell and wave your arms
> around or push the dog away, you may be perceived as a big squeaky toy
> that can be animated for amusement when
> the going gets get slow.
So, dr. dodman AIN'T GOT NO METHOD??
> If your dog meaningfully grabs your arm with his mouth when you grab him
> by the collar, and you retreat, the dog's bad behavior is rewarded,
> ensuring that the behavior will
> be repeated in the future.
If the dog grabs you when you grab his collar THAT MEANS the
dog DON'T TRUST YOU and so you SHOULDN'T GRAB him.
> The only way to avoid scenarios like this is to set certain
> limits and to become your dog's unequivocal leader.
dr. dodman means the alphalpha idiocy.
Well paulie, that WAS difficult to review.
Why Do You Reward The Dog For Being Bad?
Was:
Punish Dogs Children SP-HOWESESWith PRAISE,
Unconditional LOVE, TRUST, And RESPECT
<{) ; - ) >
Always praise the dog to show him that you affectionally
sup****t or love him. Praising the dog has nothing to do
with what he has just done, it has to do with your
relation****p with him.
"Good dog" means "I love you, dog".
If the dog is anxious, then you make certain that he
knows that he is in a safe and trusting environment.
You praise and admire him.
Correction is the opposite signal, you are my enemy,
and this results, quite naturally, in the dog behaving
aggresively - why not, you've declared that you are his
enemy.
Why does paradoxical reward work?
The dog defecates on the floor. You come up and say
"Good Dog" you love and praise him.
THE DOG KNOWS YOU LOVE HIM.
The dog defecates on the floor because he is anxious.
No wild wolf, jackal, or coyote defecates in his den.
If he defecates in his den its because a bear is outside
trying to get in and eat him.
The dog knows that it is stupid to
defecate where he eats or sleeps.
Don't you?
If the dog feels safe he'll behave as if he
is safe, no pooping on the living room floor.
Almost all maladaptive behavior is due to fear, anxiety,
expectation of disaster. Correct the situation, and the
dog behaves fluently like a ..... Dog!
Punishment deranges behavior, it is never never never appropriate.
Love the dog.
Praise is never punishment, praise is like giving a
piece of steak. If you give a piece of steak to a dog
after he defecates on the floor he'll stop defecating
on the floor.
Fondly, Dr. Von
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Thank you for playin <{}: ~ ) >
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