HOWEDY kat,
"kat" <katlat24@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "diddy" <none> wrote in message
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>> "mike d." <mikdan7@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spoke these words of wisdom in
>> news:s9ednYmpZ8_1pNnVnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> > Is the dog possibly ill, or possibly not being given
>> > adequate op****tunity to get outside to defecate?
Could be, but PROBABLY NOT:
From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST
I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.
I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".
Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).
The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point
at the mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".
That made him afraid to relieve himself in the
house or infront of me.
After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.
When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".
This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...
Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking. That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.
Thank you, Jerry, for all you help.
You've been a blessing to all of us.
AIMEE
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Show Dog Bark Wrote:
Date: Sat, Aug 19 2006 2:06 am
Blue is doing fantastic. Thanks to his wonderful
personality, genetics and Jerry's help. I speak with
Jerry a couple of times a week about his progress
and fine tuning his training. Blue sits, heels, is
totally toilet trained, comes, knows 'down', stay
and all kinds of things like 'lets go for a walk'.
He is pure joy and has made my heart glad and full
of puppy love. He loves walking in the forest trails
and swimming in the cool and refre****ng lake. His
'daddy' takes him for his final walk every evening
at 7 P.M. Then it is off to bed. He sleeps till 7 A.M.
It is nice to be able to sleep all night without getting
up for a pee pee a few times with him. In the first few
weeks I had to take him out at night, but now he is
able to sleep all night. He is like a tranquilizer.
I keep asking Jerry if Blue is a genius,
as he is so clever and obedient.
He tells me this is the nature of a dog that
has not been abused.
Blue is super good looking and so smart.
He learned to sit weeks ago. When he needs to go
outside to relieve himself, he lets me know by
going to the door and woofing. One thing that I
have noticed using Jerry's methods is that Blue
is very calm.
Most dogs are hyper and chew furniture and have
bad habits. Blue only plays with his toys. He knows
the difference between his toys and furniture and
does not nip.
I was surprised that he does not want to go on the
furniture. He likes to play on the floor and outside.
We sit outside together and he sits by where I am
reading. He may chew a toy or just hang out in the
shade. The whole town loves him and people are
impressed with his manners.
Show Dog Bark
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>> > My dog has been with us for around five years, and he has
>> > crapped in the house on maybe five occasions in that time,
>> > and it was because he was ill and couldn't hold it long, and
>> > nobody was in the house to let him outside.
Could be, but PROBABLY NOT:
From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
):
I own a black an tan coonhound. We got him
as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling
(pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and
the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.
I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't
crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for
walks because he feared EVERYTHING.
I was going to have to get rid of him if things
didn't turn around.
My husband and I searched the internet for
answers - AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.
For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK!
I've followed his manual, and we now have a
dog that can be left home alone, that heels
on command, that can go outside and NOT
be afraid of everything he sees.
Not only have his methods helped our dog, but
our marriage has gotten better. We had fallen
into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we
never laughed or had FUN together - but now,
with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY
WIZARDS dog training, our communications
channels have opened, and we now work
together instead of against one another.
For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID
NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY,
OR HEEL.
We simply eliminated the nagging and the acting out to get
NEGATIVE attention from one another since we weren't getting
the POSITIVE attention we wanted.
So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS METHODS WORK.
It's up to you to accept them. Yes, there's alot of blame
that we have to accept, but once we realize that we've caused
these problems to arise, we can strive to make things better.
AIMEE
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>> > On this subject, I would like to ask anyone who would answer:
>> > How long does it usually take to house-break a puppy?
Puppys HOWEsbreak themselves INSTINCTIVELY at four weeks
of age. It's ignorameHOWES "trainers" who UN HOWEsbreak them:
From: Mike (m.bidd...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
> > Mike
> Ok Mike which part worked for you?
It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works like a charm.
My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.
Sorry that slipped my mind.
I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.
Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.
Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.
Seemed he learned through osmosis.
Nice side benefit there.
It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.
I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.
I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.
I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.
Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.
Mike
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>> > I ask this because my friend has a boxer, and it took him well
>> > over six months, and the dog still hasn't got the procedure down
>> > pat yet.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>> > I suspect my friend is using bad training techniques(rub the
>> > puppy's nose in feces! and yell or hit the dog) and this may
>> > contribute to it.
Naaaah. THAT'S PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE HERE:
"Housebreaking Problems":
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training"
Howell Book House, 1996"
Occasionally, there is a pup who seems determined to
relieve himself inside the house, regardless of how
often he has the op****tunity to go outside. This dog
may require punishment. Make certain he is equipped
with a collar and piece of line so he can't avoid
correction.
When you discover a mess, move in fast, take him to
the place of his error, and hold his head close enough
so that he associates his error with the punishment.
Punish him by spanking him with a light strap or
switch. Either one is better than a folded newspaper.
It is im****tant to your future relation****p that you
do not rush at him and start swinging before you get
hold of him.
When he's been spanked, take him outside. Chances
are, if you are careful in your feeding and close
observation, you will not have to do much puni****ng.
Be consistent in your handling.
To have a pup almost house-broken and then force
him to commit an error by not providing an op****tunity
to go outside is very unfair. Careful planning will
make your job easier.
Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking Backslider.
The same general techniques of housebreaking apply
to grown dogs that are inexperienced in the house.
For the grown dog who was reliable in the house and
then backslides, the method of correction differs
somewhat. In this group of "backsliders" we have the
"revenge piddler." This dog protests being alone by
messing on the floor and often in the middle of a bed.
The first step of correction is to confine the dog
closely in a part of the house when you go away, so
that he is constantly reminded of his obligation. The
fact that he once was reliable in the house is proof
that the dog knows right from wrong, and it leaves
you no other course than to punish him sufficiently
to convince him that the satisfaction of his
wrongdoing is not worth the consequences. If the
punishment is not severe enough, some of these
"backsliders" will think they're winning and will
continue to mess in the house.
An indelible impression can sometimes be made
by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration,
then leaving him tied by the mess he's made so you
can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish
him again for the same thing.
In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment.
It will be better for your dog, as well as the house,
if you really pour it on him."
SEE?
MOST of your newfHOWEND pals here are devHOWET
koehler trainers, althHOWE they usually DENY it.
>> > I remember as a child, my mother housebroke several
>> > puppies for her lady friends who had to work every day,
>> > because my mom was home at our house, and I swear I
>> > recall dogs being housebroken in less than seven days. Is
>> > this the way other people here remember it? Thanks, Mike.
NOT AT ALL, Mike. MOST of HOWER fellHOWE dog lover
pals here lock their dogs in boxes and ignore their cries till they
get DEATHLY ILL from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASE a.k.a. The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ( >
>> Vigilence has a lot to do with housebreaking reliability.
Not at all. IN FACT, it's "vigilence" that CAUSES HOWEsbreakin
problems. Dogs LOVE the attention they get for makin "mistakes".
>> The Monks of New Skete have the BEST book I've ever
>> read on housebreaking a puppy. If the dog does not have
>> medical issues, I can't see how someone who follows that
>> book could not have a housebroken dog. It's the most
>> comprehensive book on the subject that I've ever seen.
>> http://www.amazon.com/Evans-Guide-Housetraining-Your-Dog/dp/0876055420
Would THAT be THIS "monkeys of not so new skeet" and
brother job michael evans who taught us the alphalpha roll?:
From: dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman)
Date: 1999/01/15
Subject: Re: Another mouthy lab
Get this book:
"The Art of Raising A Puppy," by the Monks of New Skete
If you can't find it locally, you can obtain it
through my Web site (see below).
You'll need it for more than just the usual puppy
"mouthing" problems, anyway.
And good luck with your Lab puppy!
--
Dogman
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From: osi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Michael Erskine)
Date: 12 Aug 2004 10:09:05 -0700
Subject: My GSD bit me.
The question:
I have a four year old male GSD. He growls
at me sometimes. When he growls at me he
stares me in the face and lays his ears back.
The New Skete books say that the dog should not be
allowed to do that. They suggest shaking down the
dog by grabing the dog on the sides of his neck and
picking him off his front feet, then giving the dog the
same sort of treatment the dog would give another if
it were challenging him.
Namely getting in the dogs face and letting
the dog know you are the alpha dog.
Well, my dog bit me clearly he felt that I was not
convincing enough or he bit me out of fear.
Anyone got ideas on what to do with this dog that might
help him to decide that he wants to follow and that he
has nothing to fear from me?
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From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:21:14 GMT
Subject: Re: My GSD bit me.
You need to improve your acting skills. Get a werewolf
suit with blood-drenched fangs and claw gloves and THEN
go after your dog.
Knock the **** out of him and don't be afraid to crack
some ribs. Then yank the mask off and shout "SURPRISE!
IT'S ME!" I guarantee you and your dog will have a new
relation****p based on mutual respect.
Keep in mind that the monks of New Skete
were pre-Lon-Chaney.
Charlie
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>> Some breeds are harder than others.
That's a load of CRAP.
>> The hardest I ever had was a Jack Russell Terrier. It took 4
>> months. I did everything that has produced excellent success
>> results. One dog NEVER had an accident in the house until
>> he had a medical problem at 4 years old.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> What type of medical problem? My 9 year old did this a week
> ago Sunday. I didn't discover it until Monday so I wasn't sure
> if he did it on Sunday (when we were gone for 9 hours) or overnight.
Giardia is probably the ONLY medical problem that'd cause
a dog to **** in his own HOWES and Giardia is WON of
those ubiquitHOWES, symbiotic bugs that we can live with
havin NO signs or symptoms PROVIDED we're not EXXPOSED
to STRESS from mishandling and vaccinosis <{}: ~ ( >
> This morning there was poop again.
Well then, kat, better take your HAPPY puppy to the vet, eh?
> This is a dog that has never given me a problem with housebreaking
> unless we were gone for extended periods of time and unable to get
> home to let him out. I will be making an appointment but was
> wondering what type of medical problems might cause this.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> Given the fiasco with Shelby I want to be as aware
> as possible when dealing with the new vet.
Your dog is havin THE SAME "problem" Shelby had, kat.
YOU'RE A DOG AN CHILD ABUSER:
> Kathy
From: "kat" <katla...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:05:59 -0500
Subject: Too late to change behavior?
My 9 year old Cocker/Dachshund mix is very protective. Not sure if
that is even the right word for it! The problem is that now we have a
son-in-law and future son-in-law who regularly visit and this dog goes
nuts if they move in the house.
He is okay if they are sitting down but if they get up to go in another
room we have to hold him as he is barking furiously while wagging
his tail at the same time. He was neutered and it didn't make a bit
of difference.
He was well socialized as a puppy. Our daughters were younger at
the time and they had him constantly out in the neighborhood around
other children.
His brother was the same way so I'm wondering if it is genetic?
Usually we would just shut both dogs away in another room while
the guys were here but now that Shelby is gone Shadow whines
incessantly while in the bedroom and it breaks my heart.
Is it too late to teach an old dog new tricks? I've never done any
type of training (as you can tell!) so don't even know where to
begin. Any help would be appreciated :)
From: IHateToSayItButITOLDYOUSO
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:35:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Too late to change behavior?
HOWEDY kat,
"kat" <katla...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:9892a
$47e7b1f1$d8ea7dcf$6...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> My 9 year old Cocker/Dachshund mix is very protective.
INDEED?
> Not sure if that is even the right word for it!
Yeah. You mean he's AFRAID <{}: ~ ( >
> The problem is that now we have a son-in-law and future
> son-in-law who regularly visit and this dog goes nuts if
> they move in the house.
NO PROBLEMO~! All you gotta do is PRAISE HER and
she AIN'T gonna be AFRAID nodoGdameneD more <{}: ~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
From: "Marisa" <mari...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002
Subject: one day
I started some of the simple techniques in
Jerrys manual today.
The family pack exercise.... come command.....
that's all so far though.
I did get the proper equipment as well.
20 foot leash, cans with pennies partially
crushed, flat collar, etc.
I have also stopped any negative reinforcment
such as loud "No" and "Bad girl Sonique!"
(Sonique is my Jack russell) and holding her
back, which I normally MUST do or she'll jump
and nip sometimes, but always jumping and barking.
Already tonight some has started working.
When someone came to the door, Sonique
went nuts as usual.
I said "Thank you Sonique!"
"It's o.k. girl, thank you!"
And we got a total of about 6 barks and then
no jumping on guests, no biting, growling
or the worst, the continued barking she
normally does.
She accepted my praise, and trooted around,
still excited over guests, but she was WAY
more under control.
Even my roomates noticed this.
She repeated this same thing
without all her normal fuss later
when another two friends came over.
So I do need more time, going to keep with it
another day, another month whatever until I
know I am getting results, although I must say,
so far I am impressed with my dog.
She really responds to praise better than
she ever has responded to treats as distraction
from the guests and doorbell, or me yelling
"bad girl! go away now! shoosh up!" all the time.
I am also verbally praising her everytime
she makes eye contact with me. so hopefully
things will continue going well!-
- Marisa
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> He is okay if they are sitting down but if they get up to
> go in another room we have to hold him
Physical restraint INCREASES FEAR.
> as he is barking furiously while wagging his tail at the same time.
Tail wagging is a SYMPTOM of anXXXIHOWESNESS.
> He was neutered and it didn't make a bit of difference.
WRONG AGAIN, dog lover. Surgical ***ual mutilation
INCREASES fear aggression and phobic behaviors and
causes life long life and heelth threatening DIS-EASES
like your DEAD DOG Shelby just DIED from <{}: ~ ( >
> He was well socialized as a puppy.
That so? So called socializaton is DONE pryor to
leavin the litter box otherWIZE the dog owner
WOULDN'T BE ABLE to handle the UNsocialized
pups.
Your imbecilic OPINIONS abHOWET "socialization"
GOT NUTHHIN to do with aggressive behavior:
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:
whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine you may find my resume
in Who's Who in Science and Technology I have been listed
in Who's Who in the S & SE USA since 1982, and in the big
books, Who's Who in the USA, WW in the World, WW in
Medicine etc, and WW in Science and Technology, since that date.
These are the Marquis Publications, the "real" WW, and
you can't get yourself into them.
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> Our daughters were younger at the time and they had him
> constantly out in the neighborhood around other children.
INDEED?:
"Linda" <llindaleedan...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in message
news:
I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.
At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.
I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.
I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.
At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"
I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."
*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sun****ne
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)
As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!
Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.
When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"
The results can make a believer!!!
Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
He just seemed to not notice any one.
When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.
If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
================================
From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sun****ne but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.
We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.
He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
I can never thank you enough for giving Sun****ne back!!!!!
I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.
I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-
- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.
They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
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Val writes Monday, 6/3/02:
Well, for what it's worth, I am praising without physical
contact and she does seem to listen better than when I
would praise with it. I agree that it is a distraction.
Anyway, no more aggressive behaviors from her since I
started the Witts End.
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Nevyn writes:
Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had with
your training manual! My two mutts have gone from out-of-
control psychos to obedient well behaved companions within
a matter of weeks! AND My friends have seen the success and
have asked me to work on their dogs! I was working with a 5
month old Ridgeback female today and she was being an angel
after like an hour of working with her!
It is AMAZING!!
I pity those fools who take their dogs to cl***** where the
"Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree? A masters?
a Phd? by the way? NO they are average joes off the street who
think they know how to train dogs!)
Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!
NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.
================
> His brother was the same way so I'm wondering if it is genetic?
Yeah? It's probably WON of them HARD WIRED behaviors~!
> Usually we would just shut both dogs away in another room
> while the guys were here but now that Shelby is gone Shadow
> whines incessantly while in the bedroom and it breaks my heart.
Gee, sounds like you've got your hands full of heelth and
temperament problems. Perhaps you should take IT to your
veterinary malpracticioner an see if he's SICK?
"melisande" <melisand...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> I haven't quite finished reading the free chapter on
> your website,
It's moore than a chapter, it's a comprehensive,
total, complete, gestalt method to train all animals
to any level you desire.
> but it already worked miracles with our three dogs.
Excellent.
> The barking at the door has diminished so much
> that, well, frankly, we're stunned.
My methods work faster than any others, anywhere at
any price, including the thirty five level of medical
grade static like stimulation devices and pronged
spiked pinch choke collars our "experts" here love so
much.
> We were sort of on the same page with you to begin
> with (no crates, no choke chains).
Good. Crates aren't inherently bad, only
the way they're misused.
> A lot of what you say reminds of my dad's techniques
> (he's an 84 year old dog lover,one of those about whom
> people say, "dogs really like him." He's
> never had a badly behaved dog.
Good. I've got a lot in common with folks
who are gentle and treat animals kindly.
> We'd never heard of the noise emphasis,
You mean the sound distraction and praise techniques.
> but the overall plan makes great sense.
Yes, one of my students Paul B wrote an excellent post
recently I'll include it at the bottom. It'll explain
HOWE the distraction and praise process works from his
POV as an experience handler using my methods.
> I did have a question. The hardest part for us to
> implement is the verbal praise only.
Why? That should be spontaneous and in association
with every glance towards you and every thought.
> It's so hard not to pet and stroke the dog
> (especially our seven month old).
Oh. Patting is O.K., only not in conjunction with a
thought or command, as it will interrupt the thought
process and may lock the dog's thoughts on an
inappropriate idea.
> Can you give me the rationale behind that?
It's called positive thigmotaxis, the opposition reflex.
Like if we're walking our dog and want to prevent him
from interacting with another dog, and we pull back
on the collar, that often triggers the dog to go out of
control.
As long as there's contact on the collar, the dog will
continue his original thoughts about interacting with
the passerby. Then because the dog is out of control,
the handler needs to further force restraint, making
communication with the dog's MIND, impossible.
> It will help me modify my own behavior.
Any time your dog is close enough to be patted is
fine to pat him, as long as we're not working with a
command or thought we want him to process.
> Anyway, your approach is amazing.
Yes, it's caused quite a stir here. If my methods are as
effective and fast and safe as I claim and my students
confirm, that pretty much means that all of my critics
are DEAD WRONG, and all's that's left for me to
do is shovel some dirt over them over and let 'em push
up daisies.
> Melisande
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> Is it too late to teach an old dog new tricks?
I wouldn't know, kat. I don't teach TRICKS <{}: ~ ( >
Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Many years ago I DID train an
attack dog I'd trained to SMILE when company employees
entered the office as she laid in front of the open safe to make
them THINK she was SNARLING at them to discourage
any unauthorized touching of her or the contents of the safe.
But that wasn't really a TRICK, was it, kat??
> I've never done any type of training (as you can tell!)
Wrong again, kat. You TRAINED your dog's FEAR BEHAVIOR.
ALL aggression is FEAR.
ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
Abuse / Fear / Aggression / Hyperactivity / Shyness /
Depression / Suicide Attempts AIN'T Genetic Problems,
They're SPIRITUAL PROBLEMS,
Passed On From WON GeneratiHOWEN Of Abuser
To The Next,
Like The 100th Monkey Wa****n Fruit In The Stream.
After A While It's Not Just NORMAL, It's -OBLIGATORY-
To Do OtherWIZE Would Be
DISRESPECTFUL
Of Your Parental Teachins.
The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME Is the Perfect Synergy Of
Love, Pride, Desire, Shame, Greed, Ego, Fear, Hate, Reflex,
Self Will, Arrogance, Ignorance, Predjudice, Cowardice,
Disbelief, Jealousy, Embarrassment, Embellishment, Guilt,
Anger, Hopelessness, Helplesness, Aversion, Attraction,
Inhibition, Revulsion, Repulsion, Change, Permanence,
Enlightenment, Insult, Attrition And Parental / ReligiHOWES /
Societal CONDITIONING;
YOU ARE THE CRITTER YOU WAS TRAINED.
It Is The Perfect Fusion Of The Word..., In The Physical.
There Are NO GRAY AREAS
Between
RIGHT And WRONG.
> so don't even know where to begin.
After you take your dog to the vet an get a clean bill of
heelth, *(don't forget to get a complete thyroid workup)
you'll want to hire a PROFESSIONAL trainer like janet
boss or diddler to EVALUATE him and start a daily
training program <{}: ~ ) >
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x272/TheIncrediblySimplyAmazingPup...
"J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
know HOWE COME IT was MACED?
janet CONtinues:
> > My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are DOGS.
> > I don't have anything against electronic bark collars, but they
> > should be used in conjunction with actually working at training
> > your dog(s).
They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.
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"J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
On 6 Feb 2006 17:41:08 GMT, Mary Healey
<mhhea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
clicked their heels and said:
> Does that include tone of voice? Some tools are easier
> to ban than others.
yes - screaming banshees are told to shut up! And I
always have to remind spouses that they may NOT do the
"honey - you're supposed to be doing it like THIS"......
--
Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
========
Janet B wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:44:14 -0500, Janet B
> <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, clicked their
> heels and said:
> Since you quoted me repeatedly, where does it say
> I beat dogs, choke dogs, scream at dogs, etc? Thanks
> for your clarification.
responding to my own post, I had to go back and look
at the original post, to remind myself what "we" are all
accused of doing:
"screaming, choking,
shocking, pinching, beating
the living crap out of your dogs"
Scream? no
Choke? no
Shock? e-collars are a lot more sophisticated than that
Pinch? if you want to classify a momentary discomfort
by a prong collar, go ahead, but unless you have first
hand experience with one, your opinion means nothing
Beat the living crap out of? hardly - no hitting exists
-------------------------
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
Hello everyone:
If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.
I will add a bit more history later in this post.
Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.
The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
had the time to work with him much on that.
I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pu****ng his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.
Muttley took the op****tunity to attack a young black
male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.
That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.
When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
what should be done about Muttley.
She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.
She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.
"They can't all be saved".
<snip>
--------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
<snip>
If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience cl***** at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.
--------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
Here's HOWER DOG LOVER PAL an janet's
REAL LIFE IN PERSON "student" paul:
#2 - 6/05/07
>> When I was training him under Janet's supervision
>> I was instructed to give it a ? firm yank as a correction.
> I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm
> yanks on a chain choke collar. I hate the things.
>> She was able to get his attention with
>> just a quick tug, but I had to yank on it
>> hard enough to lift him off his feet to get
>> him to respond. Looking back now, I think
>> it was based on his fear, which he had for
>> her (as an unknown), but not for me
>> (whom he had learned to trust).
> He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a
> confident trainer. Fear has no place in dog
> training, as I told you THEN.
> Janet
It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
of further punishment.
Sure, if it is administered very consistently
by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
so what remains is negative.
Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
from me without lunging for it. When you offered
it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
a fear behavior.
Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
to think on his own, but that's just my way of
doing things, and that's probably not going to
change much. He may never win an obedience
medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
of control, either.
Paul and Muttley
"I thought I was told that the way to get the dog to go
down was to make him sit and then step on the leash.
That was awkward and didn't seem to work.
I will confess that I only tried the "down" position
once or twice at home, and I also often used it
instead of "Off" when I wanted him to stop
jumping on me or elsewhere I didn't want him to be.
I had to give him corrections every few seconds,
and also just about kick him, to keep him at my
left side.
Muttley is really a very sweet and loving dog, but
he needs more socialization with other dogs. However,
it is very likely that I will have him put down in a week."
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
-----------------------
> Any help would be appreciated :)
INDEED?:
Subject: Re: redirected aggression
Date: 4/11/07
"Janet Boss" <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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seems I have been dealing with this a bit lately.
Dog to dog and dog to person,, with dogs who are
obviously overstimulated by what's in front of them.
What's in front of them varies from people at the door
to dogs in their path or directly in their face. The dogs
in question all have very poor self control.
I have dog(s) with not-so-great-natural self control,
so it's something we constantly work on. We don't
have redirected stuff going on, because we have enough
obedience to avoid it.
While I know that's the big answer for the dogs in
question as well, I'm curious what things people have
found useful to redirect/focus/gain attention from
drivey dogs or just very distracted of over-the-top dogs.
We're having success with my recommendations, but I'm
always open to something novel that may be the hot ticket.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
BWEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!
> Kathy
Geez, kat. LUCKY THING your dog ain't a PIT BULL, eh??:
Newsgroups: alt.adoption
From: "kat" <katla...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:23:49 -0400
Subject: Re: What is this little group about?
"Lynn" <shadesofgr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Lynn wrote:
> Kathy wrote:
> While you sound very responsible with your kids and the dog,
> I have to ask, why would you want a dog that you have to be so
> careful with?
> Lynn wrote:
> Initially the dog was my partners choice, I was a little wary
> admittedly, but, went with it as I can't have everything my own way.
LOL, I can certainly relate to that. I worked for two vets during
high
school and for a year after graduating with the intention of becoming
a vet. I even enrolled in Michigan State's pre-veterinary medicine
program and went for orientation weekend. Love and a weak stomach
changed my career plans.
I am now married to a *hunter* of all things!!! He is both a bow
and gun hunter and shoots archery at 3-D competitions around the
state. Some years ago I took up archery and 3-D shooting as a way
to share his passion. His friends then began asking me if I was
going
to accompany him on his hunting trips. I would always laugh and say
"Yah right, Gary would shoot the deer and I would run out and try
to
save it's life!"
> My Uncle had a Whippet that attacked one of his grandchildren,
> one would never suspect a Whippet........... As with humans I
> believe dogs are subject to inheriting in part some of their
> temperament through genes.
Not to mention size and the ability to seriously maim and kill.
> I also believe a lot of dogs are brought up to be aggressive by
> their owners and certain breeds attract certain types of people
> who train them to be aggressive. I also believe that due to this
> a lot of bad publicity is received regarding some of these breeds.
Some breeds are deserving of the bad publicity. The overwhelming
majority of severe mauling and deaths are due to rottweilers, pit
bulls,
mastiffs, etc. Anyone working with animals on a routine basis are
aware of their inborn tendencies and approach such dogs with
caution.
> I also have three cats whom I also love to death, I do understand
> how you are feeling about your cat. So far, it has been the cats who
> have done more harm to the kids than the dog........ all my kids have
> received scratches around the face and eyes, so admittedly at this
> stage, I'd have to say I'm even more wary with the cats. I would hate
> for one of the cats to take one of my childrens sight...............
I think you have to look at the probabilities involved. I can't ever
recall hearing of such a case (not to say that it hasn't happened,
just that I haven't heard of it) on the other hand you *routinely*
hear of maulings/killings by some of these breeds.
Why just *yesterday* our news stations were re****ting not one
but *three* such cases!
> Our dog and one of our cats are totally inseparable,
> they eat together, sleep together etc. etc.
Yep, that's how Rusty was, I have a couple of pictures that show
the two of them sleeping together and it was that familiarity with
dogs that cost him his life.
> We are animal lovers and also belong to our local Wildlife
> Carers group. Meaning we take in sick, injured and orphaned
> native animals. Some of which have been attacked by domestic
> dogs and cats. Most of these animals being wild aren't compatible
> with kids either, particularly Kangaroos etc. as they can be very
> aggressive.
Well I'm guessing that such animals aren't in close
proximity, sleeping/playing with humans though.
> Sound like I live in a zoo yet?? lol! It's not quite that bad!
Okay you have me beat lol. I had a pet racoon once that lived
in my apartment and liked to shred my toilet paper all over the
bathroom and once was sitting behind my head on the couch
and had a little "accident" in my hair :) It was also an orphan.
I've taken in numerous strays over the years and several of our
animals at present were strays.
I think I'm at my limit now so when my husband said he wanted
to get a beagle I said we had enough animals. He replied "I'll just
leave it out front and you'll think it was abandoned and take it in"
lol
>> What would you do if it turned on one of your kids
>> while you are in the yard?
> Naturally I'd totally friek out and hopefully have enough presence
> of mind to try everything I could to get the dog off my child ........
See the thing I keep coming back to is that with a smaller or
different
breed of dog a child/person has a better chance of surviving such an
attack
by the time somebody was able to get the dog off them.
> I hope I never have to face this.
So do I. I imagine the guilt would be overwhelming in such
a situation for anybody faced with it.
> > Having you ever tried to control a dog that was on the attack?
> > I have and believe me it is no easy task. I had two female dogs
> > that couldn't stand each other and while we kept them separated
> > they got together one day and it took a tremendous effort to pull
> > them off each other and by the time I did they both required stitches.
> Sounds terrible........ Can you imagine if that was one of
> your children? Or somebody else's child?
> Which is why I keep my dog in the pool area when visitors etc.
> are here and when I can't be in the backyard with my own kids.
> But, over here, people tend to even lock their poodles etc. up
> around children.
Our dogs are also separated from most people outside of the
family but like I was telling KL, I would rather be attacked by
a poodle than a pit bull :)
> Some breeds are even banned in certain ****res.
I'm all for that! Sometimes the safety of the public overides an
individual's right to do what ever he wants. An effort is underway
to ban wolf dogs in our state and of course there are people fighting
it.
To me that is akin to people who fight the ban on semi-automatic
weapons.
Kathy
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Val writes Monday, 6/3/02:
Well, for what it's worth, I am praising without physical
contact and she does seem to listen better than when I
would praise with it. I agree that it is a distraction.
Anyway, no more aggressive behaviors from her since I
started the Witts End.
Friday, 5/31/02:
HOWEDY Valerie,
"Valerie M. Holmes" <Holme...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> I recently adopted a female, spayed 3 1/2 yr old dalmatian
> from a no-kill shelter.
Nice goin.
> She spent 2 years in the shelter and naturally she has some
> socialization issues to overcome.
Naaah not naturally, anyHOWE. Kenneling for a long time
shouldn't have problems associated with it if the facility
was reasonable, and if they're not killin dogs they couldn't
be as cruel as our dog lovers janet boss john richardson
and mikey ball who gladly help dogs DIE.
> My problem is I am not quite sure HOW to tackle these issues. . .
Don't worry about it! I got all the answers and none of the calories.
All ya got to do is agree to do anything Jerry sez and you get the
aluminum funnel hat, member****p card, secret password, secret
decoder ring, secret fan club privilidges, secret FREE Wits' End Dog
Training Method manual, secret FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
member's benefits, and secret Contract Signed In Werewoof And Elf
Blood with a lifetime GUARANTEE NEVER to have a dog behavior
problem again and your dog will ALWAYS WANT to do as you ask.
IMPOSSIBLE? It gets EVEN BETTER! Stick around...
> 1. She is aggresive toward **ALL** other dogs,
Ooops! WE got a TOUGH problem here. I hope you're fit,
dog training is a physical skill not easily learned through
books, the written word just can't SHOW you the precise
moves necessary for commanding a dog.
Every dog is an individual, and we got to SEE the behaviors
to even GUESS what's going on with your dog. THEN we got
to formulate a training program based on the individual dog's
requirements for physical and emotional PRESSURE and learn
the fine art of attrition and have the expertise to hurt your dog
PRECICELY, and ONLY WHEN NECESSARY.
But FIRST, a trip to the vet is in order. Any sudden changes in
behavior needs to be examined by the veterinarian and he'll be
able to give you a referral to such an expert who knows HOWE
and when to HURT your dog properly to make it friendly or
advise you when to KILL IT TO BE FAIR.
So, tomorrow morning call your vet and make an appointment
in 15 days to put your dog to sleep. Ask him HOWE MUCH.
Hang up the phone and SPEAK TO NO ONE!!!
SAY NOTHING TILL you put that money into an envelope
with your dog's name PRINTED on it in UPPER CASE thingys.
MAKE SURE you GO DIRECTLY TO THE BANK, SPEAK
NOTHING!, and withdraw ONLY NEW BILLS!
If you cannot obtain NEW currency KEEP GOIN! We need
CLEAN MONEY for this SACRIFICE. When you accept
this money DO NOT TOUCH! HAVE THE TELLER PUT
THE BILLS INTO THE ENVELOPE AND SEAL IT.
ASK HER TO PRINT YOUR DOG'S NAME ON THE BACK,
Ooops! DON'T! That's just an expression. Hand the teller a
note. DON'T SPEAK!
NOT THE FRONT. THE BACK OF THE SACRIFICIAL
ENVELOPE IN UPPER CASE THINGY'S.
Now you can speak, but don't, nobody will believe you. Trust me.
Take the envelope to your HOWES and put it inside your pillow
case and FORGET ABOUT IT. Don't need that for two weeks yet.
> even dogs that have shown that they are willing to be submissive.
Oooops? What's that mean? I don't understand doggietalkie.
You mean she attacks other dogs, boys, girls, puppys, all dogs?
Good. That tells me we consistency going for us to fix it.
When does she get an op****tunity to have a dog cower?
> Upon sight of a dog, she lunges and snarls.
O.K., that's GOOD! That tells me we can probably break the
lunging in a few minutes of work. Maybe five, but we'll need
to repeat it a few times to generalize the idea. And we'll need
to do a little work to learn to handle her properly, maybe an
hour over several 15 minute sessions and a half dozen 5
minute sessions. I hope your ciphering is keepin up with us.
> 2. She is usually kind and affectionate toward her owner (me),
Well, usually? I don't like usually. I like always, consistent,100%,
that's what's good. Always consistent. Consistent behaviors
change to other, often seemingly un related, consistent behaviors.
Dogs like consistency too, but not repression. You'll see.
> but recently began turning sour
Ooops! That's good. That tells me the rest of the problem
is as I thought, JUST a little mishandling. I'll teach you
every thing you need to know. We're about half way
done training aready. WATCH!
> and for no apparent reason
All problem dog behaviors are a PREDICTABLE direct result
of our ineffective and inappropriate responses to our dog's
innate normal natural instinctive reflexive responses to
cir***stances of their environment WE create for them.
I'll teach you HOWE to train yourself to respond differently
to your dog's instinctive reflexes to you, which will cause
your dog to reflex differently to your CONDITIONED reflexive
responses and interactions towards him, compelling him
to NATURALLY WANT to do EVERY THING you ask,
cause THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE BEAST.
Once YOU have learned proper handling techniques
and appropriate non physical control through conditioned
distraction and praise *(ABOUT 2 HRS WORK, maybe
less,) you'll be able to negotiate any obstacle LIKE
MAGICK, relying on scientific conditioning and desensitization
techniques and demonstrated self control as explained in
our Contract.. err, your FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com
. Ahem.
Unless you got that one in a BAZILLION dog that's gonna
throw Jerry the dew claw. Don't let that happen. I'll work
you through the whole process and you'll see results
tomorrow. You'll have the behavior in pretty good shape
in a week, and in about ten days we should be ready to start
introducing her to a couple select dogs in about fifteen minutes
of work and then we'll repeat that again a couple times and
again with a couple moore dogs and then we'll be ready to start
with the first dog again for the off lead introduction and you're
DONE.
Oooops! PROBLEMO. My arithmetic sez we're gonna
need a couple moore days to work this introduction
business till the aggression is thouroghly and permenantely
extinguished. If we break our Contract, I'm err, shall we say
OUTTA HERE FOREVER?
Of course I could handle this a lot faster in person myself
cause I can control you and your dog to insure the result,
so nobody's got to do nothin noHOWE, but speak when I ask,
and hush as I speak and relish each word like candy you'd eat,
and jump when I say, ask HOWE HIGH and salute, and
tout tributes to Jerry's manual whenever you open your mouth...
That's all. Oh, and one other thing... I hope you don't faint
at the sight of blood. WE got to sign a contract. HOWE
MUCH do you want this dog to turn out PERFECT in
about two weeks? I'm willing to...shall we say STAKE
my ahahahahahaaaa, life on it???
BWWWWAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> and...
And NUTHIN
I REBUKE YOU IN THE NAME OF SATAN, DOG LOVER!!!
You'll do as I say and dance when I speak...and sing
for your breakfast and beg for your treat ...I'll stop at
at nuthin to save your dog's life, include sell the souls
of my dog and my wife, to prove there's no way to make
a dog lover right. I'll go with The Devil to save our dog's
lives, I'll fight tooth and nail with guns and with knives,
I'm droppin the hammer on dog trainer's careers,
and takin their eye teeth along with their rears. They
been jerkin and chokin the life outta dogs and now I
got them all by their balls in my jaws...
Now go ahead and pinch my ears..., or just make me laugh.
I just told you we figured out your dog's problem.
> snarls toward me!
Big deal. She won't do that noMOORE once you learn
to handle her like any of my students.
> This has completely destroyed the trust
What trust? The trust established with your choke collar
and corrections?
Don't worry about a thing. WE got a CONTRACT. Remember?
> we were building over the past month.
BWWWWAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!! Got me laughin
in Spanish and I don't even speak Spanish.
> 3. She deals with visitors,
Deals? Sounds tentative. She's just a little shy.
Don't worry about it.
I'm the only game in town. I got the deal and Jerry don't make no
deals... Well not no moore, since I'm tem****arily outta... mmm,
currency.
Jerry don't compromise with dog lovers who prefer to
hurt and kill dogs than spend a couple hours trying to show
the dog HOWE to live instead of forcing IT to choose the
degree of pain it prefers to tolerate in between spurts of life,
anxiety, and repression.
> but is very anxious around people she doesn't know.
Shy. The anxiety is a result of punishment for being aggressive
cause she's shy, or maybe just from back when a puppy jumpin
up onto a guest and gettin kneed in the chest or toes stepped
on or alphaphalpha rolled and growled into their throat pr just
SCRUFF SHAKE and screamed NO for 5 seconds or chin CHUKED
and bit on the ears till they piss themselves or jerked and choked
on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar or burned with a medical
grade static like stimulation device or containment system like
our dog lovers at k9 web and cindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooron recommend TO ENHANCE THE BOND between 'trainer'
and dog.
Our traditional training methods are what's making your dog
turn on you for hurting and scaring her during her meetings
with other dogs. Our pal lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn and
janet boss recommend pronged spiked pinch choke and shock
and citronella collars for training thiskind of dog... and they'd
rather not put IT through all that when there's SO MANY dogs
that are deserving of their HELP. And then they'll deny it, despite
it's archived FOREVER.
You see where WE're goin with all this? WATCH.
> At first she would scream if a stranger petted her with 2 hands.
I'd probably come real close to dropping the hammer on them
myself. My dogs will bite you if a stranger meeting us put their
hands on us in a restraining manner. We don't like that. Trust me.
Strangers touching us means we got to run and find an adult or
a policeman. RIGHT? Either that or...
> I just don't trust her around anyone yet.
Me too. I never trust a dog. I only trust my training methods
and then we don't got to worry about what the heel the dog
cares... who the heel's the goddamned trainer, you or the
dog?
THE DOG!
You got to TRAIN YOURSELF to reflex to his needs properly
and then he'll reflex to his natural instinct and be able to use
his dog skills as part of your family pack, equally with you
and the other family members.
Every thing you've been taught about handling your dog
is DEAD WRONG and your dog is prima facia evidence
in Jerry's Giiihhhaaad against the dog behavior industry
for bringing us every dog behavior problem we've got.
> 4. She lunged at my sisters 2 year old
$#!T! You're gonna try and make this hard for me aren't ya,
pullin the fear/guilt double high card trump tryin to make Old
Jerry roll over and piss himself with the 2 yo kid card???
NOTHIN DOIN! Get the heel outta here!
IN THE NAME OF SATAN I REBUKE YOU, DOG LOVERS!!!
> the same way she lunged toward other dogs, aggressively.
Duh-Oh! Spooooookey!!! BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> I really really like this dog,
THAT'S GREAT! I do too. I like all dogs on general principle
and individual dogs on merit and don't like nobody no moore
than me...and mine. You got your copy of The Contract?
Don't worry about nuthin. Me an mine are comin through
this alive... sort of, in a sense.
> when she is calm and able to relax.
Vs what? I would like to know when she's not calm and able
to relax... tell us what she's doin. THOSE are the anxitey
relief mechanisms WE need to deal with so I can fulfill
OUR Contract and... finish you off, and that little dog too!
> I want to keep her,
LIKEWISE. WE got a long term Contract. Haven't we?
> but I don't really know what the best way to establish
> the necessary trust.
Yeah, as a matter of fact we got EXPERTS here. Let me
INTRODUCE you around?
> Any ideas out there?
Yeah. Our dog lovers were just on their way to another forum.
Weren't you, dog lovers? We'll introduce our new found friends
later. Right now our OP's got some studying to do before she
has an accident cause she won't know HOWE to handle her
lead to stop triggering her dog to pull if she's wastin time with
dog abusers who jerk and choke dogs. That's moore then half
of what gets IT angry.
Now if this sounds too unbelievable I'll just up the ante.
I'll PAY YOU $10.00 / hr to study with me, IF YOU FAIL.
Call or write for details and agreement: 1 888 WITSEND. Jerry. j;~)
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From: Nevyn (ali...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Date: 2002-03-01 03:15:50 PST
Hello
I have two mungrel females; the breeds exactly are Blue Heeler
(spots) x Kelpi (dominant genes) x American Pitbull (behavioural)
x Pug (don't laugh!).
They are gentle loving dogs when I'm at home with them, and they
are friendly with unknown people. They are sisters. One is obviously
dominant over the other, and I don't have a problem with that,
however;
Their behaviour is very odd. Some days they are very good whilst
I'm walking them, some days they are not. They are 3 years old
and have only been walking for about 12 months because my mom
didn't walk them and now I'm home so I walk them for about an hour
and half every afternoon.
I take them to the park where they chase birds and swim in the lake.
This is my problem :
The less-dominant dog viscously barks at every other dog we walk
past; I have tried using a stick and giving her a tap when she
does it, and treating her with treats when she doesn't, using a
choke chain, a muzzle and a thing that sprays stuff in her mouth
when she barks.
She won't stop! Does anyone know how I can stop her?
Also, the more-dominant dog seems to know this is WRONG, when
the other dog barks, she doesn't bark, but she nips at the other
dog as if telling her to cut it out, and then the barking one
attacks the more-dominant one and they fight on the leash... it
is quite disturbing to the people walking past.
And also the more-dominant one is okay around other dogs...
SOMETIMES... sometimes she completely ignores them, and yet
other times she will attack them, like yesterday. The less
dominant one I must keep on a leash if a person brings there
dog to the park.
How do I stop them attacking other dogs? I have tried all the
methods I have used above for 10 months every afternoon. Is it
just a pac k-behaviour thing?
It can really be quite embarrassing when your dogs attack
some old lady's or little girl's dog.
They are good dogs, when at home or when there are no other dogs
around. Today there were hundreds of sparrows flying around the park
and they were chasing them and jumping up trying to catch them for
more than 90 minutes (They went straight to bed when I bought them
home!). Can anyone help me? Email me at my emails address,
ali...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
coz this list is tooo crowded.
Thanks,
Nevyn
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Nevyn has since gone on to become a professional dog trainer:
HOWEDY Group,
Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using
JERRY'S MANUAL
1) My dogz, two *****es - Vicious, barking, aggressive,
pulled on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought
between each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual,
they were calm, friends, my companions.
2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment I
dropped him by their noses.
3) My FRIENDS dogs 2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!
Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !
4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!
5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !
Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull coloured
dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their
hairs coloured up amazingly.
6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!
BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!
Nevyn
============
Never give out your password or credit card
number in an instant message conversation.
Nevyn says:
hello Jerry.
Jerry says:
HOWEDY Nevyn
Nevyn says:
How are you?
Jerry says:
sup?
Nevyn says:
Oh nothing
Nevyn says:
My dogs are alot better now!
Jerry says:
fine
Jerry says:
tell me
Nevyn says:
I can walk them on or off the leash and they don't
give a #@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
about other dogs
Jerry says:
naah
Nevyn says:
I can let them inside and they wont eat the cats
Jerry says:
naah
Nevyn says:
Yup
Jerry says:
what did you do, buy a shock collar?
Nevyn says:
No
Nevyn says:
Praised them
Jerry says:
ahh!
Jerry says:
you think they're 100% better
Nevyn says:
'cept they still bark at the neighbour but only
coz he swears at them and pours water on them
Nevyn says:
nahh they still have stinky breath!
Nevyn says:
muahaha
Jerry says:
ok
Jerry says:
I'll go for that
Jerry says:
it'll take a couple more days to break the neighbor
thing if you're consistent
Jerry says:
then he won't swear and throw water at them
Nevyn says:
yeah but he's only out on the weekends
Jerry says:
but they'll still have stinky breath
Nevyn says:
muahahaha
Jerry says:
you gonna write the group and tell them they're suckin hind teat?
Nevyn says:
eh
Nevyn says:
nah
Nevyn says:
cant
Nevyn says:
my news server isn't workin
Nevyn says:
how about u just screenshot or copy this chat and post it
Jerry says:
why not.
Nevyn says:
sorry been tryin all day to get on the news server
Jerry says:
you got anything you'd like to tell the dog lovers who
would prefer to see you choke and shock and lock your
dogs in a box?
Jerry says:
I guess you don't want to tell them nuthin
that they don't already know, huh?
Nevyn says:
hah
Nevyn says:
tell them they're ****ers who need to die
Nevyn says:
dogs aren't for abusing they are for loving they love so much
Jerry says:
that's HOWE COME they got me now
Jerry says:
howe much training time did it take for the two of 'em?
Nevyn says:
pfftt
Nevyn says:
it didn't even seem like training
Nevyn says:
its been 24 days since I got your manual
Jerry says:
pfffttt!!!!
Jerry says:
hhahahahaha
Jerry says:
have you got that feeling that they're in tune with
EVERYTHING you're wanting them to do?
Jerry says:
I forgot what city you're in.
Jerry says:
maybe if you're near alphalpha sweeny you can swing
by and LAUGH your ass off at him growling at his dogs???
Jerry says:
BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
Nevyn says:
LOL
Nevyn says:
I'm in Perth, Australia!
Nevyn says:
and yes they do seem to be in tune
=====================
Nevyn says:
oh!! the other day my dogs went into submissive position when a
tiny little toy poodle came up barking at them! !LOL
Jerry says:
EXCELLENT!
Nevyn says:
lol
Jerry says:
they knew they didn't need to fight, cause everything was in
your expert control.
Keep up the good work. j;~)
-----------------
In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
"Things do not change; we change." - Henry David Thoreau
"Ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you mad." -
~Aldous Huxley.
"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbstvergebens!"
"Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"-
-Friedrich Schiller.
INDEEDY.
AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!
In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
The World's CRUELEST Trainer
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
*M-A-J-E-S-T-I-C* *G-R-A-N-D* *M-A-S-T-E-R*
Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ;~ ) >
HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >
Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092 (Call ANY TIME)
http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard
E-mail:
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