HOWEDY (the)duckster, you pathetic miserable stinkin
rotten lyin dog an child abusin punk thug coward active
accute chronic life long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
mental case and fifteen year dry drunk,
We'll dispense with today's preyer an meditation
as it ain't seemed to have been workin for you.
We'll close with a review of the Twelve Steps /
Twelve Traditions an see if that heelps <{}: ~ ) >
Newsgroups: alt.adoption
From: "\(the\)duckster" <ducks...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:50:21 GMT
Subject: Re: OT - Kidney problems in dogs
"Kat" <katla...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Does anybody know of some reputable sites or groups that I could
> check? I would be very grateful for the help.
> Kathy 1
Try rec.pets.dog.behavior. I've posted a couple of questions there and
got
some very good answers. Whatever you do, though, do not respond to
anything published by Jerry Howe.
In all my years on usenet, he is the craziest thing out there.
Has your vet screened for cancer?
Best wishes and keep us posted.
(the)duckster
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Subject: Re: Pinging BigPhil and Biff theJack
"(the)duckster" <duckster@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> I have been thinking about you two
Yeah, he's pretty PATHETIC, just like you an your pals here, eh, ducky?
> and wondering if you've started puppy cl***** yet.
Ahhh, you want phil to have as much SUCCESS as you an
your punk thug coward active acute chronic life-long incurable
malignant maliciHOWES MENTAL CASE pals here, eh, ducky?
"MISERY LOVES COMPANY," The Puppy Wizard's Nana <{}: ~ ( >
> If you have, let us know how they are going,
It'll go just like HOWE your idiotic abusive "OBEDIENCE
TRAINING" cl***** with diddler's OBEDIENCE TRAINING
club went, (the)duckster <{}: ~ ( >
Your own dog wears UNDERPANTS and GOES INSANE
when you lock IT in a box and ignore ITS cries and you got
IT on ANTI-PSYCHOTIC medication, like you been takin.
LIKE THIS:
"(the)duckster" <duckster@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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too, have a going on three year old neutered male
who decided recently to start marking.
I ordered a belly band, but it sort of bunches up and
doesn't quite cover his privates. A combination of
pants with the band over those seems to keep him covered.
If you have another style though and a link,
I would be interested in seeing what you use.
(the)duckster
Who is not satisfied with himself, will grow.
He who is unsure of his own correctness, will
learn many things.
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Subject: Re: harv's new underpants
"(the)duckster" <duckster@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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"elegy" <elegy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> <http://shattering.org/images/harveyunderpants.jpg>
>
> version 2.0 will be slightly wider, but this is wide enough to hold
> the pad in the right place, so hopefully it'll be all good. he doesn't
> seem to care at all about it being on.
>
> he does wish grandma had chosen something a little bit
> more manly than big bird and elmo, though! geez.
> Here's the video:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzBtxevvcFs&mode=user&search=
I have a question. Does the pad have a slot to slip into,
or does it lay against his belly, held in place by the pad?
Bodie's belly band is a southwestern motif.
His companion pants are blue with white bones on them.
(the)duckster
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Subject: Re: Crate question
"(the)duckster" <duckster@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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"JP" <vze2wx8p@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Why can't you put him in the crate he sleeps in?
> He seems very secure there from your description.
>
> JP
Yes, I am considering that as well., though he is capable
of "opening" the latch with a flip of his nose.
The crate downstairs - site of the "canine crime scene" as quoted
by Muttley's dad, was double bolyrf with lockboxes I used in my
real estate practice.
When he was unable to free himself using his normal method,
I think that's when he literally attacked the cage, ripping bars
off like they were spagetti.
I had a very long chat with my vet last night and she is quite
puzzled why at three this very mellow dog has developed this
behavior. He having never chewed, was easily crate/house
trained, and would just as soon snooze on the couch as do anything.
She has advised and prescribed a combination of behavior
modification that includes crate and drugs. The latter to be
used with prudence and carefully monitored by observing
his behavior plus frequent blood panels.
I'm going to begin a 15-30 minute leave and come back with the
new crate I am ordering. With much heavier bars, the possibility
of ripping off the bars and potentially impaling himself is greatly
minimized. You see I am really less concerned about him getting
out as I am coming home and finding him dead from a puncture
wound.
And actually around my house the crate during the day is
really only something I need to use when the weather is too
bad to put him out. We have several wooded acres and he
enjoys very much hiding in the underbrush and spying on
the house. That, or he like to lay on the pool cover and soak
up the steam.
While he is inside, I am using a combination of pants and
belly band to cover him up well enough that if he does lift
to mark he wets himself and not my couches and beds.
I appreciate everyone's insight and for taking the
time to write and share their opinions and stories.
Kind regards,
(the)duckster
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Subject: Re: i give up.
"(the)duckster" <duckster@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> i didn't get home over lunch today (sleet and freezing rain! whee!) so
> he didn't get let out for a full 11 hours. he didn't have an accident.
> i just can't figure this boy out.
A combination of making sure my pack is fed before we go out for the
evening, meds along with the belly band over his panties and we had a
successful evening last night. We were out for four hours and he was dry
when we came home, nothing torn up.
We have had several days like this so maybe we are onto something.
(the)duckster
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> who is in your class, all that.
You AIN'T gonna find any DECENT HUMAN BEINGS
goin to "OBEDIENCE TRAINING" cl*****:
Subject: Re: Pinging BigPhil and Biff theJack
"Phil Odox" <philodox@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:06:54 GMT, "\(the\)duckster"
<duckster@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:06:54 GMT, "\(the\)duckster" <duckster@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
> I have been thinking about you two and wondering if you've
> started puppy cl***** yet. If you have, let us know how they
> are going, who is in your class, all that. Thank you!
>
>Kind regards,
>(the)duckster
I've been to two cl***** already without my dog to see how
they're conducted, how many dogs attend, and to have a chat
with the people who run them. The first class I visited only had
4 dogs there, and they were all rescued adults with "problems".
I agreed with the class instructor that rescued "problem" dogs
need a lot of training to bring them round, but I didn't agree
that that training included shouting and a lot of tugging on the
lead. When I asked if it would be better to calmly issue the
command "No" and stand in front of a pulling dog instead of
yanking on its lead after shouting at it, she merely repeated that
"problem" dogs require a lot of training. Ahem.
The next class was no better. The woman who was instructing
it was actually standing on the lead of a large boxer nearly the
whole time I was talking to her so that it couldn't get up or into
the sitting position.
As I approached her she barked, "DOWN", and while it was
considering what to do she lifted her foot and stood on its lead,
leaving about 18" of it sticking out from under her foot. I could
tell that the dog was in some kind of distress, so I left without
asking her very much at all.
I must admit that I did have some fears before going, that I'd be
disappointed, and so I've decided to train my pup myself in the
way I see as fit. We've made a lot of progress already. He walks
well with a collar and lead, and he occasionally sits down when
I tell him. Of course, doing it in the quiet surroundings of a fenced
garden away from traffic is always going to be easy compared to
doing it on the streets. His house-training is going really well
without a single incident since Saturday.
Even his humping seems to have settled down. The "no" command
seems to be sinking in as a universal command for "Freeze, you
little bugger."
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Subject: "Positive" Dog training?
<darkroom@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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recently signed up for a "positive" dog obedience class here in
Cleveland. I liked the idea that it was positive, 'cause I'm not too
keen on crates, rolled-up newspapers, etc.
Anyway, before I went to the first class, I discovered "The Amazing
Puppy Wizard," and started working on his exercises with my pup. I
was very pleased with his progress, and I really liked the fact that it
was all based on sound distraction and praise, with no stress-inducing
punishments.
I figured it was a good start on the class ... Until I went to the first
session!
Not only were we instructed to use treats (something that seems to
teach a dog to ignore you unless you're holding a treat), and to crate
our dogs (they'll love it, we were assured), but some of the "positive"
techniques they recommended included ignoring your dog after you
come home (so that he won't get excited and jump on you), emitting
a high-pitched scream anytime he puts his mouth on you (allegedly
just like another puppy in the litter would), and controlling every
aspect of the dog's environment (sounds like a pretty time-consuming
approach to me).
And, of course, there's the ever-positive chemical spray in the face
when all else fails. The fact that the course's instructor continually
referred to behavior problems he was having with his own dogs
didn't inspire any confidence in me either.
I have a feeling that just going to that one session set me
back a week with the trust I'd earned with my puppy.
I wish I'd found Jerry Howe's methods before I registered for
the class (of course the course fee is non-refundable), but I'm
definitely going to cut my losses and not go back!
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Subject: The Innocent-But-Tragic Mistake Of Hiring A
"Dog-trainer" Made Our Rottie Fear-Aggressive.
Can't Trust Him Anymore
Stefan Karlhoff Wrote:
The Innocent-But-Tragic Mistake Of Hiring A
"Dog-trainer" = Made Our Rottie Fear-Aggressive.
Can't Trust Him Anymore.
Date: 2000-09-19 01:06:42 PST
Stefan Karlhoff wrote:
> If anyone has ever gone through, is going through,
> or is planning to go through with the job of
> training a pedigree dog, do yourself the very
> im****tant favor of NOT getting the dog trained by
> just any so-called dog trainer.
>
> Why? Well, first of all, it's almost like abusive
> parents -- any a@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
can be a parent -- but an
> understanding and caring person would more than
> likely become a good parent; so goes doggie
> "obedience training".
>
> Don't believe such nonsense? Well, come on
> over and I will introduce you to a beautiful 10
> month old rottweiler who was doing just fine
> until we (my spouse and I) made the innocent-
> but-tragic mistake of hiring a "dog- trainer" to
> teach the pup some manners.
>
> HAH! So, after this "trainer" dragged the little
> thing around by a choker collar assuring us that
> that's the way it has always been done, we found
> out the hard way that this type of "obedience" has
> made our Rottie fear-aggressive.
>
> Can't trust him anymore.
>
> If you even look like you are going to grab him, or
> make him nervous, his little mind says "Here it
> comes--pain--force-- well, I'll get them before they
> can get me!!"
>
> Oh brother, right? Well, 9 months and $1000 in
> bite treatment medical bills later, we are left with
> only two choices -- get rid of him (that's the easy
> and unfair way out), or, find a REAL dog trainer.
>
> A feat in itself, but they ARE OUT THERE!!!!
>
> It's all too common; are you aware that over 95
> percent of dog aggression problems come from
> aversion training? From bad parenting? And that
> 100 percent of those dogs are euthanised because
> the owners don't know what to do about it?
>
> Hear this: dogs with true psychotic problems are
> RARE.
>
> Dogs aren't humans, but they are emotional
> creatures, and most of these problem-behavioral
> dogs have the same rut to get out of as do the
> owners. On the same token, the owners of dogs
> with behavioral problems RARELY KNOW how
> to solve those problems.
>
> (I know I've been a ****ning example)
>
> And you don't want to get into my position; it is
> far from easy to undo what damage has already
> been done!
>
> Hopefully one doesn't have to arrive at this
> conclusion after the fact that their sweet poochie
> has turned into Norman Bates.
>
> Part of the reason why I wrote this was to let
> others know of what could be... Who do you go to?
> If you are lucky, you can open the yellow pages,
> look under dog training, and find someone who
> advertises that they specialise in behavioral
> problems.
>
> Not that you have to have a problematic
> puppy, but chances are that that individual holds
> the informal or formal title of Dog Behaviorist, or
> Dog Psycologist. They STUDY DOGS.
>
> OKAY?
>
> If you want a loving and caring dog, not a
> potential CUJO...or a potential WUSSYDOG...
> invest your hard earned $$ with confidence in
> somebody who lives to understand canine
> behavior...it just makes better sense.
>
> Remember, anybody can call themselves a
> dog trainer (Hey, don't need a license to be
> one either).
>
> Your generic dog-trainer may tell you how thier
> methods are always positive; but, if it involves
> bribing your dog with food, yelling at your dog,
> making loud noises to get your pup's attention,
> kneeing if it jumps up, using a choke collar
> or (God Forbid) an electric stimulation, HANG
> UP THE PHONE!
>
> Anything negative or aversive done to your puppy
> could reflect on you LATER! Trust me, I know
> what i'm talking about.
>
> When young kids are smacked around until
> they do what you say, kicked or kneed in the
> gut for being excited, left in the basement and
> ignored as punishment, what kind of people do
> they usually grow up to be?
>
> The moral here is, if you love your dog,
> take the time to educate yourself about
> the breed, and whatever you do, get a
> REAL dog trainer who cares--about
> your feelings and your best friend's
> feelings as well.
>
> But is it more expensive? No, not really...but I'd
> much rather spend 150 bucks on two life-long
> sessions than spending 45 bucks on someone
> to bully my dog into compliance, times three or
> four, and then shell out hundreds more in
> attempts to redeem my dog....
>
> By the way -- for any dog-trainers that may be
> reading this: please, no offense!
>
> Today my dog is in the process of behavior
> modification. There is hope that he will be able to
> heal and eventually live with us happily. Until
> then, I will continue to let others know about the
> "Recipe to Ruin a Good Dog". I hope you can
> share this with others as well.
>
> Thanks for your time! --C. Karlhoff
You hit the nail right on the head.
This kind of abuse is accepted by the humane
societies, kennel clubs, and even the universities
that teach behavior.
Those are the ones that should be held responsible.
I am a dog trainer, and when I tell people of my
concerns with these issues, they won't believe me.
I watch the same trainers doing the same things,
ruining dogs, getting paid, and then saying the
dog is 90% good, but 10% untrustworthy and
should be destroyed.
People have problems with their dog and abuse is
recommended by all of the trainers and books on the
subject. People talk with other trainers about their
dogs, then I tell them that the advice they've been
given is different than what I offer. By the time they
talk to me, they've already been sold a bill of goods.
When more information for less money and faster
results are offered, people think that I'm up to
something, because I have nothing in common with
everyone else out there.
When a pet professional tell you that dogs don't feel
pain the same way, that corrections are necessary,
choke collars aren't supposed to choke, that you
need to dominate, force, jerk, drag, slap, step on,
pin down, withhold food, shock, or in any manner
abuse, or do any thing that you would not like to
see happen to a young child, go elsewhere.
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LIKE THIS:
Subject: Jerry Howe's Free Training Manual - The Puppy Wizard
From: Anne (an...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Jerry Howe's Free Training Manual
Date: 2002-05-17 12:59:05 PST
I adopted my little shepherd mix pup, Ginger about a
month ago and enrolled us in obedience school so she
could learn to be a good house dog. I love the cl*****
and she is doing very, very well, but a few of the
techniques the trainer is teaching us make me a little
uncomfortable.
In the instances where I tried to use them exactly, poor
Ginger ended up cowering away from me and looking
sad and scared, and that bothered me.
Our trainer's main theory seems to be contained in what
he told us: Your dog has to fear your wrath more than he
looks forward to any pleasure gained by disobeying you,
whether it be to steal food or chase a rabbit or just ignore
a command.
I dont want Ginger to fear my wrath, or be intimidated by
me, but I also want her to listen! A few times, I ignored
the training method we were taught in school, and tried
just gently correcting her and showing her again how to
do what I wanted, along with lots and lots of encouraging
praise and she seemed to learn more quickly that way than
when I was yelling NO at the top of my voice.
I downloaded Jerry Howe's Wits End manual and read
through it, and so much of it rang true to what my own
experience with Ginger has been.
She learns if I yell and yank her leash, but she is also
unhappy and frightened. She learns if I correct her gently
and encourage her, and she actually enjoys our training
sessions then.
So even though I havent used Mr. Howe's techniques exactly
yet, it seems like they would work very well for me and Ginger!
I especially was interested in the part about submission and
rolling your dog over, as that is exactly what the trainer told
us to do, even if the dog was scared and snapped when you
did it!
According to Mr. Howe's manual, thats a terrible thing to do
to your dog, and after seeing a cowering little pup in class used
as an example in front of 15 other dogs, I have to agree with him!
My Ginger rolls over all the time, to have her tummy rubbed,
and I'm glad I never had to try to force her like the trainer advised,
as now I see I might have harmed her psychologically by doing that!
I just wanted to say that I was very happy to get the information
Mr. Howe provided, since a lot of it just validated my own doubts
about our trainer's methods and I feel better now about ignoring
some of them.
Im going to read through the Wits End manual again and try
out some of the methods there. I dont care if Ginger becomes
a superdog... I just want her to be a happy house dog that comes
when I call without fail, and doesnt jump on people or furniture
or steal food -- the usual good house dog behaviors.
Im much more comfortable with Mr. Howe's methods
for achieving this.
Has anyone else used this manual? Any feedback
from other users would really be appreciated.
Anne
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AND LIKE THIS:
Message 2 in thread
From: Marisa (mari...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Jerry Howe's Free Training Manual
Date: 2002-05-17 13:10:26 PST
Hello-
I agree with you!
I didn't want to scare my dog, or hurt her, or pull on her leash,
or any of that. I wanted her to want to work with me, and do
things with me the right way on her own. Or else I don't have
a dog, I would have a robot dog with a sad face a broken spirit.
I have had a German Shepherd pup. And a couple mixes. They
can be challanging. But let me tell you, the reward you get from
having a trained, happy German Shep far out weighs the weeks
or months or training.
And you DON'T have to hurt them to get them to listen. :)
I am now reading Jerrys manual and working with it for my
second day. My roomates, my boyfriend, and me have already
noticed that I have more "control" without actually working
harder to get it with her. I really enjoy Jerrys "distraction"
methods of sort, the really are working fast for my Jack Russell.
Stick with it! and hey the worst that can happen is you instill
a good feeling with your dog, who won't be afriad of you
throwing her on her back, or jerking her leash and possibly
creating a spinal injury :)
marisa
-----------------------------
"Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom and right action
as separate, not the wise.
If any man knows one, he enjoys the fruit of both.
The level which is reached by wisdom
is attained
through right action as well.
He who perceives that the two are one knows the truth."
"Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
indeed all creatures act according to their natures.
What is the use of compulsion then?
The love and hate which are aroused
by the objects of sense arise from Nature,
do not yield to them.
They only obstruct the path," -
- Bhagavad Gita,
adapted by Krishna with permission
from His OWN FREE copy of The Simply
Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits' End
Dog Training Method manual <{) ; ~ ) >
ALL Temperament And Behavior Problems Are
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.
What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George
> Thank you!
THANK YOU, ducky~!
If you don't post here I can't EMBARRASS you~!
"It is by muteness that a dog becomes
so utterly beyond value."
Like a confessor Priest?
"With him, words play no torturing tricks..., "
--John Galsworthy.
Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
Their behaviors reflect
HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
ONLY PARENTS FEAR and HATE The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child,
*****, Birdy And Horsey Wizard more than the professional
dog trainer and university trained behaviorists HE
has IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and DISCREDITED:
Here's professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM NO! into ITS face for
five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation"
dermer of the Department of ANAL-ytic Behavior at UofWI, pryor:
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),
--Marshall
Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
"Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"
Subject changed: JUMPING / MOUTHING On PEOPLE (Ninnyboy)
26 From: Marshall Dermer -
Date: Tues, Aug 14 2001 8:15 pm
Email: der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Marshall Dermer)
In article <2e501ccd.0108141341.7f18d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
mattburns...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Matthew Burnside) writes:
Dear Matt:
Many have offered Jerry constructive advice but
Jerry has failed to profit from it.
My sincere advice is to filter out Jerry's posts.
--Marshall
PS: I have put "Ninnyboy" in the header for many of us filter
posts with this term. The term indicates that the post
is about Jerry.
I have read rpdb for about five years. Consequently, I urge
newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb
regulars from whom I have learned much. They include:
Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane Blackman,
jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy
Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth
Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace,
John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane
Webb, and Terri Willis.
*(EVERY WON of them got VERY LONG POSTED CASE}
HISTORIES of INCURABLE MENTAL ILLNESS an HURTIN
INTIMIDATIN an MURDERIN INNOCENT DEFENSELESS
DUMB CRITTERS an LYIN abHOWET IT.)
"If I am not for myself, who will be for me. But if I am only for
myself, what am I?" _The Talmud_
Marshall Lev Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis
Specialty/ Department of Psychology/University of
Wisconsin--Milwaukee/Milwaukee, WI 53201
der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!
Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS.
From: der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Marshall Dermer) -
Date: 1998/08/28
Subject: Re: Puppy growls and snaps
In article <6s6ea0$8c...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Marshall
Dermer) writes: In article <35E60819.65178...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>tami sutherland <suthe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
>> However, there have been incidences where she has
>> growled and snapped at us...for instance, when we
>> were trying to dry her off after bathtime.
> When your three-month old pooch growls or snaps, IMMEDIATELY
> pick her up ONLY by the skin at the back of her neck, for 5
> sec, and loudly say, "NO!" Alternatively, say "NO!" and hold
> her mouth shut for say 15 sec.
>
> If she so snaps that you can't do the above then you
> will have to find another way to administer a prompt
> correction, for example, throwing a can filled with
> pennies, or a tug on the collar. --Marshall
"Oops! I would start by only holding her mouth
shut for say 5 sec.
At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
P.S. Contacting Dr. P:
Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.
In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length.
That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.
Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.
If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavioral Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.
P.P.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!
YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!
Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:
whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine
-----------------
A. S. Neill, The Famous Founder of The Summerhill
School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back
In The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They
Wet The Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass And Their
Behaviour Would Stop, - As If By MAGICK!
The Embry Study:
"While some may find it strange that reprimands
might increase the chances of a child going into
the street, the literature on the experimental analysis
of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention
to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of
more inappropriate behavior.
Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason
with their children about da****ng into the street will
likely to have the opposite impact.
Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it."
Source:
"Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to
Preschoolers by Parent Training and Symbolic
Modeling for Children: An Experimental Analysis
in the Natural Environment. Research Re****t
Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."
"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) re****t a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are re****ted to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
were moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and
learning immediately deteriorated.
Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement
model" proposed by Skinner (1963) are no more well
established in research than the various dynamic
therapists."
Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of
programmed systems for learning; 2) reinforcement;
3) cognitive dissonance; and 4) motivation, MOST
SURELY DEMOLISH the claims of operant programers."
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400
Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.
I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.
There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.
Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well do***ented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology
Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Sup****t Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and sup****t your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establi****ng a nonprofit
charity to fund your im****tant work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
> Kind regards,
LikeWIZE <{}: ~ ) >
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
"Motivation Of The Resistance To Coercion "-- PAVLOV
"Reflexes of purpose and freedom" in the comparative
physiology of higher nervous activity, Institute of
Higher Nervous Activity and Neurophysiology, Academy
of Sciences, Moscow:
The most complex unconditioned "reflexes of aim and
freedom," discovered by I.P. Pavlov, are compared
with the "competence drive" and the "motivation of the
resistance to coercion," respectively, described by
contem****ary ethologists.
On the basis of the unconditioned "reflex of purpose,"
conditioned reflexes were developed in which positive
emotions arising in connection with the perfection of
a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at
a given moment, serve as the reinforcement.
The unconditioned "reflex of freedom" is regarded as a
phylogenetic precursor of the will, and its acute extinction
as the physiological mechanism of hypnosis. It was
demonstrated experimentally that the appearance of the
state of "animal hypnosis" (immobilization catatonia) in
rabbits is accompanied by the predominance of electrical
activity and heat production in the right hemisphere, i.e.,
by symptoms which are found in hypnosis in man.
Simonov PV</h4>
Publication Types:<ul><li>Review</li><li>Review,
tutorial</li></ul>PMID: 2215892, UI: 91015681</blockquote>
<doctype>
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=2215892&am
p;form=6&db=m&Dopt=bNeurosciBehavPhysiol1990May-Jun;
20(3):230-5
"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH,
That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And
Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The
Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies.
"All animals learn best through play," Lorenz.
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVERY LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge,
demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon
that an expected reward not received is experienced
as a punishment and can produce extensive and
persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966)."
B.F. Skinner: Re-evaluation of Punishment
Punishment, unfortunately traditionally overused,
actually has been proven not effective at long-
term behavioral change, and creatures will find
other ways of getting what it wants. In "Freedom
and the control of men" American Scholar, Winter
1955-56, 25, 47-65. 1956 he states:
If we no longer resort to torture in what we call
the civilized world, we nevertheless still make
extensive use of punitive techniques in both
domestic and foreign relations. And apparently for
good reasons. Nature if not God has created man
in such a way that he can be controlled punitively.
People quickly become skillful punishers (if not,
thereby, skillful controllers), whereas alternative
positive measures are not easily learned.
The need for punishment seems to have the sup****t
of history, and alternative practices threaten the
cherished values of freedom and dignity.
Fear involved with punishment causes frustration:
with typical results loathing, hostility and apathy.
Skinner's teaching on the superiority of posittive
reinforcement's benefits for keeping desired behavior
have proved very valuable.
----------------------------
"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) re****t a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are re****ted to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
were moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and
learning immediately deteriorated.
Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement
model" proposed by Skinner (1963) are no more well
established in research than the various dynamic therapists.
Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of programmed
systems for learning; 2) reinforcement; 3) cognitive dissonance;
and 4) motivation, MOST SURELY DEMOLISH the claims
of operant programers."
----------------------
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have re****ted ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents tem****arily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
Author and professional dog trainer LeeCharlesKelley wrote:
Thanks, Jerry, that's a helpful bit from the guy
who started it all. This shows what we've been
saying: that teaching the dog to play fetch,
regardless of its usefulness in the eventual
search part of the training program, is a
powerful motivator and reinforcer.
Of course these idiots (pardon my being blunt)
don't see using food and clickers as being a
form of coercion. Maybe they've been hypnotized
by Karen Pryor, et al:
Freeze Frame <{}: ~ ) >
From: canis55 <cani...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 1999/09/28
Subject: Dear Marilyn Re. Ness
Dear Marilyn,
I just visited your updated site. The two Ness pages are great.
Freezing the video frames to reveal the emotional impact a
leash correction has on a dog was a wonderful idea.
Lee Kelley did something similar to a Brian Kilcommon video.
The difference is we were focusing on the emotional impact a
leash correction has on the trainer. When you do this to a training
video you can clearly see the tremendous emotional charge some
of these trainers are getting from hurting dogs.
It's a strange business, this dog training. I wonder what motivates
any of us to engage in it. I'm suspicious of anyone who says they
do it because they love dogs. I know a lot of people who claim to
love what dogs represent to them, and yet they don't become trainers.
I don't think this is because they love something else more.
I think there is a difference between loving what dogs represent
to us and loving what training them creates in us or even creates
in them for that matter.
It's a complicated process and perhaps many of us have lost sight
of what we're doing. I read books and articles that matter of factly
explain how to systematically inflict pain on dogs in an effort to
create a desire to perform tasks that I often see dogs performing of
their own accord. I know many of these behaviors can be shaped
and encouraged to the same degree of reliability without all the
violence and pain.
Where they can't (if that's the case), I wonder why we think
a dog should perform a task that is so repugnant to its nature,
that we must resort to violence and coercion to compel them
to participate.
Maybe I have far too much respect for dogs, but when I read
this stuff it sounds like slavery and involuntary servitude to me.
I can't see much difference between what we're doing to them
(for their own good) and what my country men did to the African
peoples for nearly half a century.
It's hard for me to accept that I'm surrounded by so much
madness, but I have to go with my heart on this one. Most
of what we demand from dogs--if not all of it--will be offered
willingly and enthusiastically if we only learn how to request
it in a manner they can comprehend.
If it turns out that I have to attack a dog to get it to do or to not do
something, then maybe the dog isn't supposed to do what I think it
should.
The whole thing's so complicated that I can't really express it. I
just know I don't like some of the stuff I'm seeing or reading about.
--
I trains'em as I sees'em.
----------------
> (the)duckster
Subject: Twelve Steps, Twelve Traditions <{) '; ~ ) >
From: I Hate To Say It But I TOLD YOU SO
Date: Wed, Nov 23 2005 3:13 pm
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*to train IT*.
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Passed On From WON GeneratiHOWEN Of Abuser
To The Next,
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A DOG Is A DOG;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A GOAT Is A GOAT;
As A FERRET Is A FERRET;
As A MONKEY Is A MONKEY:
As A HORSE Is A HORSE;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES;
As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.
ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Cir***stances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
You GET The Critter You TRAINED
In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
ALL Temperament And Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
It's "PARENTS" and "DOG LOVERS" like yourself blowin smoke up
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From: George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject: Proposed article for Wikipedia
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006
The Amazing Puppy Wizard is the cognomen of a dog behaviorist,
Jerry Howe, of Orlando, Fl. Howe's primary teaching is that
dogs deserve unconditional love, respect, and attention and
that by providing these emotional needs dogs will regulate
their own behavior.
Howe is bombastically antagonistic to rewarders, but he
is aggressively hostile to punishers - he refers antagonists
to B.F. Skinner, Mary Cover Jones, and J.B. Watson and
especially to Samuel A. Corson when they mistakenly
annunciate behavioral principles to sup****t their use of
punishment.
Punishment always deranges behavior, says Skinner,
Jones, Watson, Corson and Jerry Howe!
Howe developed a sonic device which calms dogs and has
been broadly tested in a wide range of different situations.
The present author is a Who's Who recognized psychologist
who was asked to evaluate Howe's device by a former student.
Howe provided the author with a device, without
charge, and said device worked as re****ted.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
cross reference to Jerry Howe, etc.
Jerry, the difficulty with these ignorant dog molesters
is that they cannot read. Negative reinforcement is no
response by the trainer.
There is positive reinforcement, an action which is followed
by an increase in the targetted behavior (usually called
"reward" which is precisely and technically a misnomer),
negative reinforcement is the absence of any response.
Negative means 'No'.
Skinner's last book, "***ULATIVE RECORD" reviews this
thoroughly. http://www.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/proj/nru/nr.html
Negative reinforcement is stopping an aversive reinforcement
according to this author. Read it, they have a sense of humor!
There are four forms of systematic reinforcement:
do nothing (negative reinforcement)
reward the behavior (positive reinforcement)
punish the behavior (aversive reinforcement)
after habituating the subject to punishment,
stop puni****ng (relief of aversion, which is negative reinforcement).
Logically, failing to reward after habituating a reward
is also negative reinforcement. Actually intermittent
rewards work better than consistent, invariable rewards,
so there is actually another two categories. Invariable
reinforcement and random reinforcement (on varying schedules).
Punishment is AVERSIVE REINFORCEMENT.
Actions which cause the animal being trained to avoid,
avert, cringe away from. Pavlovians always responded
to American psychologist's inability to reproduce Pavlov's
results with dogs with the comment, "American's don't LOVE
their dogs". If you ever observed a Russian psychologist
working with a dog, you'd instantly see the difference.
American psychologists were wooden, robot-like,
wanted to be "scientific".
This meant to them that they should display no
affection, or any other emotion with the subjects.
When a Pavlovian dog started to misbehave or fail to respond,
doggie was taken out of the equipment, and taken home for a
loving vacation, with much TLC. Sam Corson, Pavlov's last
student, demonstrated the same relation****ps at Ohio State.
Interestingly the first page of results for Sam Corson,
dog behaviorist is loaded with Jerry Howe quoting Dr. Von.
heh heh heh
Dr. Von
Oh, by the way, you once had a pompous fellow say that
Dr. Von was a figment of your imagination. I don't
normally mention this, but I have been listed in Who's
Who in the S & SE USA since 1982, and in the big books,
Who's Who in the USA, WW in the World, WW in Medicine
etc, and WW in Science and Technology, since that date.
These are the Marquis Publications, the "real" WW, and
you can't get yourself into them.
GvH
-------------------------
"The day may come when the rest of the animal creation
may acquire those rights
which never could have been withholden from them
but by the hand of tyranny.
The question is not can they REASON,
nor can they TALK,
but can they SUFFER?" -
- Jeremy Bentham
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised
for the good of its victims,
may be the most oppressive.
Those who torment us for our own good
will torment us without end,
for they do so with the approval of
their own conscience." -
- C.S. Lewis.
"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny",
Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon.
"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.
What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George
All truth p***** through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer
"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.
"If you've got them by the balls
their hearts and minds
will follow,"
John Wayne.
ANY QUESTIONS, People?
"Ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you mad." -
~Aldous Huxley.
"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
"Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"
-Friedrich Schiller.
INDEEDY.
AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!
In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
The WORLD'S CRUELEST Trainer,
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
*M-A-J-E-S-T-I-C*
*G-R-A-N-D*
*M-A-S-T-E-R*
Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ;~ ) >
HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >
Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092 (Call ANY TIME)
http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard
E-mail:
Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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