HOWEDY (the)duckster, you pathetic miserable stinkin
rotten lyin dog an child abusin punk thug coward active
accute chronic life long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
mental case and fifteen year dry drunk,
We'll dispense with today's preyer an meditation
as it ain't seemed to have been workin for you.
We'll close with a review of the Twelve Steps /
Twelve Traditions an see if that heelps <{}: ~ ) >
"(the)duckster" <duckster@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> I have been thinking about you two
Yeah, he's pretty PATHETIC, just like you an your pals here, eh, ducky?
> and wondering if you've started puppy cl***** yet.
Ahhh, you want phil to have as much SUCCESS as you an
your punk thug coward active acute chronic life-long incurable
malignant maliciHOWES MENTAL CASE pals here, eh, ducky?
"MISERY LOVES COMPANY," The Puppy Wizard's Nana <{}: ~ ( >
> If you have, let us know how they are going,
It'll go just like HOWE your idiotic abusive "OBEDIENCE
TRAINING" cl***** with diddler's OBEDIENCE TRAINING
club went, (the)duckster <{}: ~ ( >
Your own dog wears UNDERPANTS and GOES INSANE
when you lock IT in a box and ignore ITS cries and you got
IT on ANTI-PSYCHOTIC medication, like you been takin.
LIKE THIS:
"(the)duckster" <duckster@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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too, have a going on three year old neutered male
who decided recently to start marking.
I ordered a belly band, but it sort of bunches up and
doesn't quite cover his privates. A combination of
pants with the band over those seems to keep him covered.
If you have another style though and a link,
I would be interested in seeing what you use.
(the)duckster
Who is not satisfied with himself, will grow.
He who is unsure of his own correctness, will
learn many things.
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Subject: Re: harv's new underpants
"(the)duckster" <duckster@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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"elegy" <elegy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> <http://shattering.org/images/harveyunderpants.jpg>
>
> version 2.0 will be slightly wider, but this is wide enough to hold
> the pad in the right place, so hopefully it'll be all good. he doesn't
> seem to care at all about it being on.
>
> he does wish grandma had chosen something a little bit
> more manly than big bird and elmo, though! geez.
> Here's the video:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzBtxevvcFs&mode=user&search=
I have a question. Does the pad have a slot to slip into,
or does it lay against his belly, held in place by the pad?
Bodie's belly band is a southwestern motif.
His companion pants are blue with white bones on them.
(the)duckster
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Subject: Re: Crate question
"(the)duckster" <duckster@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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"JP" <vze2wx8p@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Why can't you put him in the crate he sleeps in?
> He seems very secure there from your description.
>
> JP
Yes, I am considering that as well., though he is capable
of "opening" the latch with a flip of his nose.
The crate downstairs - site of the "canine crime scene" as quoted
by Muttley's dad, was double bolyrf with lockboxes I used in my
real estate practice.
When he was unable to free himself using his normal method,
I think that's when he literally attacked the cage, ripping bars
off like they were spagetti.
I had a very long chat with my vet last night and she is quite
puzzled why at three this very mellow dog has developed this
behavior. He having never chewed, was easily crate/house
trained, and would just as soon snooze on the couch as do anything.
She has advised and prescribed a combination of behavior
modification that includes crate and drugs. The latter to be
used with prudence and carefully monitored by observing
his behavior plus frequent blood panels.
I'm going to begin a 15-30 minute leave and come back with the
new crate I am ordering. With much heavier bars, the possibility
of ripping off the bars and potentially impaling himself is greatly
minimized. You see I am really less concerned about him getting
out as I am coming home and finding him dead from a puncture
wound.
And actually around my house the crate during the day is
really only something I need to use when the weather is too
bad to put him out. We have several wooded acres and he
enjoys very much hiding in the underbrush and spying on
the house. That, or he like to lay on the pool cover and soak
up the steam.
While he is inside, I am using a combination of pants and
belly band to cover him up well enough that if he does lift
to mark he wets himself and not my couches and beds.
I appreciate everyone's insight and for taking the
time to write and share their opinions and stories.
Kind regards,
(the)duckster
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Subject: Re: i give up.
"(the)duckster" <duckster@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> i didn't get home over lunch today (sleet and freezing rain! whee!) so
> he didn't get let out for a full 11 hours. he didn't have an accident.
> i just can't figure this boy out.
A combination of making sure my pack is fed before we go out for the
evening, meds along with the belly band over his panties and we had a
successful evening last night. We were out for four hours and he was dry
when we came home, nothing torn up.
We have had several days like this so maybe we are onto something.
(the)duckster
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> who is in your class, all that.
You AIN'T gonna find any DECENT HUMAN BEINGS
goin to "OBEDIENCE TRAINING" cl*****:
Subject: "Positive" Dog training?
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> wrote in message
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recently signed up for a "positive" dog obedience class here in
Cleveland. I liked the idea that it was positive, 'cause I'm not too
keen on crates, rolled-up newspapers, etc.
Anyway, before I went to the first class, I discovered "The Amazing
Puppy Wizard," and started working on his exercises with my pup. I
was very pleased with his progress, and I really liked the fact that it
was all based on sound distraction and praise, with no stress-inducing
punishments.
I figured it was a good start on the class ... Until I went to the first
session!
Not only were we instructed to use treats (something that seems to
teach a dog to ignore you unless you're holding a treat), and to crate
our dogs (they'll love it, we were assured), but some of the "positive"
techniques they recommended included ignoring your dog after you
come home (so that he won't get excited and jump on you), emitting
a high-pitched scream anytime he puts his mouth on you (allegedly
just like another puppy in the litter would), and controlling every
aspect of the dog's environment (sounds like a pretty time-consuming
approach to me).
And, of course, there's the ever-positive chemical spray in the face
when all else fails. The fact that the course's instructor continually
referred to behavior problems he was having with his own dogs
didn't inspire any confidence in me either.
I have a feeling that just going to that one session set me
back a week with the trust I'd earned with my puppy.
I wish I'd found Jerry Howe's methods before I registered for
the class (of course the course fee is non-refundable), but I'm
definitely going to cut my losses and not go back!
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Subject: The Innocent-But-Tragic Mistake Of Hiring A
"Dog-trainer" Made Our Rottie Fear-Aggressive.
Can't Trust Him Anymore
Stefan Karlhoff Wrote:
The Innocent-But-Tragic Mistake Of Hiring A
"Dog-trainer" = Made Our Rottie Fear-Aggressive.
Can't Trust Him Anymore.
Date: 2000-09-19 01:06:42 PST
Stefan Karlhoff wrote:
> If anyone has ever gone through, is going through,
> or is planning to go through with the job of
> training a pedigree dog, do yourself the very
> im****tant favor of NOT getting the dog trained by
> just any so-called dog trainer.
>
> Why? Well, first of all, it's almost like abusive
> parents -- any a@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
can be a parent -- but an
> understanding and caring person would more than
> likely become a good parent; so goes doggie
> "obedience training".
>
> Don't believe such nonsense? Well, come on
> over and I will introduce you to a beautiful 10
> month old rottweiler who was doing just fine
> until we (my spouse and I) made the innocent-
> but-tragic mistake of hiring a "dog- trainer" to
> teach the pup some manners.
>
> HAH! So, after this "trainer" dragged the little
> thing around by a choker collar assuring us that
> that's the way it has always been done, we found
> out the hard way that this type of "obedience" has
> made our Rottie fear-aggressive.
>
> Can't trust him anymore.
>
> If you even look like you are going to grab him, or
> make him nervous, his little mind says "Here it
> comes--pain--force-- well, I'll get them before they
> can get me!!"
>
> Oh brother, right? Well, 9 months and $1000 in
> bite treatment medical bills later, we are left with
> only two choices -- get rid of him (that's the easy
> and unfair way out), or, find a REAL dog trainer.
>
> A feat in itself, but they ARE OUT THERE!!!!
>
> It's all too common; are you aware that over 95
> percent of dog aggression problems come from
> aversion training? From bad parenting? And that
> 100 percent of those dogs are euthanised because
> the owners don't know what to do about it?
>
> Hear this: dogs with true psychotic problems are
> RARE.
>
> Dogs aren't humans, but they are emotional
> creatures, and most of these problem-behavioral
> dogs have the same rut to get out of as do the
> owners. On the same token, the owners of dogs
> with behavioral problems RARELY KNOW how
> to solve those problems.
>
> (I know I've been a ****ning example)
>
> And you don't want to get into my position; it is
> far from easy to undo what damage has already
> been done!
>
> Hopefully one doesn't have to arrive at this
> conclusion after the fact that their sweet poochie
> has turned into Norman Bates.
>
> Part of the reason why I wrote this was to let
> others know of what could be... Who do you go to?
> If you are lucky, you can open the yellow pages,
> look under dog training, and find someone who
> advertises that they specialise in behavioral
> problems.
>
> Not that you have to have a problematic
> puppy, but chances are that that individual holds
> the informal or formal title of Dog Behaviorist, or
> Dog Psycologist. They STUDY DOGS.
>
> OKAY?
>
> If you want a loving and caring dog, not a
> potential CUJO...or a potential WUSSYDOG...
> invest your hard earned $$ with confidence in
> somebody who lives to understand canine
> behavior...it just makes better sense.
>
> Remember, anybody can call themselves a
> dog trainer (Hey, don't need a license to be
> one either).
>
> Your generic dog-trainer may tell you how thier
> methods are always positive; but, if it involves
> bribing your dog with food, yelling at your dog,
> making loud noises to get your pup's attention,
> kneeing if it jumps up, using a choke collar
> or (God Forbid) an electric stimulation, HANG
> UP THE PHONE!
>
> Anything negative or aversive done to your puppy
> could reflect on you LATER! Trust me, I know
> what i'm talking about.
>
> When young kids are smacked around until
> they do what you say, kicked or kneed in the
> gut for being excited, left in the basement and
> ignored as punishment, what kind of people do
> they usually grow up to be?
>
> The moral here is, if you love your dog,
> take the time to educate yourself about
> the breed, and whatever you do, get a
> REAL dog trainer who cares--about
> your feelings and your best friend's
> feelings as well.
>
> But is it more expensive? No, not really...but I'd
> much rather spend 150 bucks on two life-long
> sessions than spending 45 bucks on someone
> to bully my dog into compliance, times three or
> four, and then shell out hundreds more in
> attempts to redeem my dog....
>
> By the way -- for any dog-trainers that may be
> reading this: please, no offense!
>
> Today my dog is in the process of behavior
> modification. There is hope that he will be able to
> heal and eventually live with us happily. Until
> then, I will continue to let others know about the
> "Recipe to Ruin a Good Dog". I hope you can
> share this with others as well.
>
> Thanks for your time! --C. Karlhoff
You hit the nail right on the head.
This kind of abuse is accepted by the humane
societies, kennel clubs, and even the universities
that teach behavior.
Those are the ones that should be held responsible.
I am a dog trainer, and when I tell people of my
concerns with these issues, they won't believe me.
I watch the same trainers doing the same things,
ruining dogs, getting paid, and then saying the
dog is 90% good, but 10% untrustworthy and
should be destroyed.
People have problems with their dog and abuse is
recommended by all of the trainers and books on the
subject. People talk with other trainers about their
dogs, then I tell them that the advice they've been
given is different than what I offer. By the time they
talk to me, they've already been sold a bill of goods.
When more information for less money and faster
results are offered, people think that I'm up to
something, because I have nothing in common with
everyone else out there.
When a pet professional tell you that dogs don't feel
pain the same way, that corrections are necessary,
choke collars aren't supposed to choke, that you
need to dominate, force, jerk, drag, slap, step on,
pin down, withhold food, shock, or in any manner
abuse, or do any thing that you would not like to
see happen to a young child, go elsewhere.
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LIKE THIS:
Subject: Jerry Howe's Free Training Manual - The Puppy Wizard
From: Anne (an...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Jerry Howe's Free Training Manual
Date: 2002-05-17 12:59:05 PST
I adopted my little shepherd mix pup, Ginger about a
month ago and enrolled us in obedience school so she
could learn to be a good house dog. I love the cl*****
and she is doing very, very well, but a few of the
techniques the trainer is teaching us make me a little
uncomfortable.
In the instances where I tried to use them exactly, poor
Ginger ended up cowering away from me and looking
sad and scared, and that bothered me.
Our trainer's main theory seems to be contained in what
he told us: Your dog has to fear your wrath more than he
looks forward to any pleasure gained by disobeying you,
whether it be to steal food or chase a rabbit or just ignore
a command.
I dont want Ginger to fear my wrath, or be intimidated by
me, but I also want her to listen! A few times, I ignored
the training method we were taught in school, and tried
just gently correcting her and showing her again how to
do what I wanted, along with lots and lots of encouraging
praise and she seemed to learn more quickly that way than
when I was yelling NO at the top of my voice.
I downloaded Jerry Howe's Wits End manual and read
through it, and so much of it rang true to what my own
experience with Ginger has been.
She learns if I yell and yank her leash, but she is also
unhappy and frightened. She learns if I correct her gently
and encourage her, and she actually enjoys our training
sessions then.
So even though I havent used Mr. Howe's techniques exactly
yet, it seems like they would work very well for me and Ginger!
I especially was interested in the part about submission and
rolling your dog over, as that is exactly what the trainer told
us to do, even if the dog was scared and snapped when you
did it!
According to Mr. Howe's manual, thats a terrible thing to do
to your dog, and after seeing a cowering little pup in class used
as an example in front of 15 other dogs, I have to agree with him!
My Ginger rolls over all the time, to have her tummy rubbed,
and I'm glad I never had to try to force her like the trainer advised,
as now I see I might have harmed her psychologically by doing that!
I just wanted to say that I was very happy to get the information
Mr. Howe provided, since a lot of it just validated my own doubts
about our trainer's methods and I feel better now about ignoring
some of them.
Im going to read through the Wits End manual again and try
out some of the methods there. I dont care if Ginger becomes
a superdog... I just want her to be a happy house dog that comes
when I call without fail, and doesnt jump on people or furniture
or steal food -- the usual good house dog behaviors.
Im much more comfortable with Mr. Howe's methods
for achieving this.
Has anyone else used this manual? Any feedback
from other users would really be appreciated.
Anne
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AND LIKE THIS:
Message 2 in thread
From: Marisa (mari...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Jerry Howe's Free Training Manual
Date: 2002-05-17 13:10:26 PST
Hello-
I agree with you!
I didn't want to scare my dog, or hurt her, or pull on her leash,
or any of that. I wanted her to want to work with me, and do
things with me the right way on her own. Or else I don't have
a dog, I would have a robot dog with a sad face a broken spirit.
I have had a German Shepherd pup. And a couple mixes. They
can be challanging. But let me tell you, the reward you get from
having a trained, happy German Shep far out weighs the weeks
or months or training.
And you DON'T have to hurt them to get them to listen. :)
I am now reading Jerrys manual and working with it for my
second day. My roomates, my boyfriend, and me have already
noticed that I have more "control" without actually working
harder to get it with her. I really enjoy Jerrys "distraction"
methods of sort, the really are working fast for my Jack Russell.
Stick with it! and hey the worst that can happen is you instill
a good feeling with your dog, who won't be afriad of you
throwing her on her back, or jerking her leash and possibly
creating a spinal injury :)
marisa
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> Thank you!
THANK YOU, ducky~!
If you don't post here I can't EMBARRASS you~!
> Kind regards,
LikeWIZE <{}: ~ ) >
> (the)duckster
Subject: Twelve Steps, Twelve Traditions <{) '; ~ ) >
From: I Hate To Say It But I TOLD YOU SO
Date: Wed, Nov 23 2005 3:13 pm
HOWEDY People,
Twelve Steps, Twelve Traditions:
1. We admitted we were P-HOWERLESS to
HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic puppy
dog - - that HOWER mishandling, HOWER
fragile defective ego's and weak fearful minds,
have made HOWER parents, spHOWESES',
children's, dog's, employer's and employee's
and HOWER own lives, unmanageable, miserable,
insane and cruel <{) : * ~ ( >
2. Came to believe that NO P-HOWER is greater
than HOWERselves and the teachings of your
FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual and nothing but self examination, honesty,
gentlenss, and trust, could restore us, HOWER
critters and kin, to sanity <{) ; ~ ) >
3. Made a decision to turn HOWER will and HOWER
lives over to The Insanely Freakin Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy Wiard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method and asked HOWER Insanely Freakin
Simply Amazing Grand Puppy Wizard if we understood HIM.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory
of HOWERselves and stopped blaming other's for
HOWER inability to communicate and demonstrate
appropriate thinking and behavior <{) : ~ ] >
5. Admitted to dog, to HOWErselves and to another
human being the exact nature of HOWER wrongs
and left them with their own FREE copy of your FREE
copy of The Insanely Freakin Simply Amazing Grand
Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method Manual and advised them to
ask Their Insanely Freakin Simply Amazing Grand
Puppy Wizard for FREE extra help, if they need any.
6. Were entirely ready to have Your Insanely Freakin
Simply Amazing Grand Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual Philosophy remove all these
defects of character <{) ; ~ } >
7. Humbly asked HIM to remove HOWER shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all persons and animals we had
harmed including HOWErselves, and became
willing to make amends to them all <{) : *- { >
9. Made direct amends to such people and animals
wherever possible and instruct humans to not harm
or injure others and encourage them to study their
own FREE copy of your FREE copy of The Insanely
Freakin Simply Amazing Grand Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when
we were wrong promptly consulted your own FREE
copy of The Insanely Freakin Simply Amazing Grand
Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method Manual or asked YOUR Insanely
Freakin Simply Amazing Grand Puppy Wizard for FREE
guidance <{) ; ~ ) >
11. Sought through praise and demonstrated self
control to improve HOWER consciHOWES contact
with HOWER dogs, parents, children, spHOWESES,
employees and employer's, as we understood HOWER
Insanely Freakin Simply Amazing Grand Puppy Wizard,
praying only for knowledge of HIS will for us and the
P-HOWER to carry out the FREE Wits' End Dog
Training Method philosophy despite criticism, aversion,
animosity, anger and threats incured from other less
intelligent human beings struggling with their own
shame guilt and anger for their own failures, cruelty,
vindictiveness, anger, cowardice and guilt <{) ' ~ ) >
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result
of these steps, we tried to carry this message to
dog lovers and abusers, parents and grandparents,
uncles, aunts, teachers, employer's, friends and
acquaintances and to practice these principles in all
HOWER affairs till there are no MOORE abuses
disguised as CORRECTIONS, LOVE, CARE, SHELTER,
RESCUE, and con men like ed w of http://www.petloss.CON,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer of the ANAL-ytic behaviorISM
department of UofWI, Master Of Deception blankman of
http://www.dogplay.CON,
captain arthurt haggarty, uncle
matty, and all other heelpless formerly hopeless alpha/
pain/fear/force/intimidation lying dog abusing Punk Thug
Cowards and active acute chronic formely heelpless
hopeless MENTAL CASES who know when and HOWE
to HURT a dog to train IT.
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