HOWEDY bdkesling you pathetic miserable stinkin
rotten dog abusin punk thug coward and probable life-
long incurable malignant maliciHOWES MENTAL CASE,
"BDKesling" <BDKesling.2885309@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>
> Michael A. Ball;348719 Wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 05:08:29 +0100, BDKesling
>> BDKesling.2855ba8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> -
>> Hi,...-
>>
>> Invisible fences. Boggle IF = invitation to fiasco.
>> Online course? Not for me.
michael wants to become CERTIFIED as a "EUTHANASIA
TECHNICIAN" so he can earn more money at the SHELTER
he cleans poop at. michael, a.k.a. andrea beck, is a pre operative
TRAIN***ual REJECT and SELF CUTTER, a chronic life-long
manic depressive who MURDERS innocent defenseless dumb
critters FOR PLEASURE:
Newsgroups: alt.fifty-plus.friends
From: Michael A. Ball <Guard...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:52:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Superstitious?(sp)
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:43:24 GMT,
**Dalin** <l...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Care to tell us why you feel that way?
> I won't try and argue with you or change
> your mind, but what happened to put you
> off cats above all other creatures?
I've never liked cats, because their movements are too
much like those of rats. Since childhood, I viewed cats
as no more than targets.
On 12-23-95, I killed a cat that my wife had allowed her
daughter to bring into the house, as a pet, several days
earlier. The cat was a stray and having it in the house
was contrary to our agreement for living here.
My wife moved out , permanently, that night.
Ten months later, she moved out of this county--deliberately
withholding her new address. I haven't heard from her since.
Thank you for not trying to change my mind. I won't argue
about this issue. Many people hate cats; perhaps most of
them are more discrete about voicing their opinions. I
try not to say much, but sometimes, I can't resist.
Michael
Whatever it takes.
Groups: alt.sup****t.depression
From: Michael A. Ball
Date: Sun, Mar 14 2004 6:25 pm
On 14 Mar 2004 13:48:35 -0800, crysal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(crysalis) wrote:
> [...]Tomorrow I see the Dr. I hope they
> tell me something good. [...]
I hope he tells you "something good" too! If you were
asked to list the top three good things you'd like for
him to tell you, what would they be?
I put myself in your shoes for a minute and discovered
that question is not as simple as it sounds. We don't
always know how to heal the pain or even what is causing
the pain: we only know that we hurt.
Maybe your doctor will tell you that it is not your skin
that you want to escape, but everything inside of that
skin" your..."self"!
I'm reminded of a time in my life when I applied to enter
a *** reassignment program. Fortunately, during the initial
evaluation process, it was determined that I wasn't
trans***ual, and didn't want to be a woman: I just didn't
want to be Michael Ball.
That was a day of considerable relief, but also one of great
sadness and hopelessness. There would be no Andrea Beck,
and for the time being, no escape from MB.
Best wishes tomorrow. I hope you'll tell us how things went
Michael
A day without recoil is like a day without sun****ne!
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Subject: "Secret Cutting"
Groups: alt.sup****t.depression
From: Michael Ball
Date: Tues, May 30 2000 12:00 am
Email: "Michael Ball" <Guard...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
The movie, "Secret Cutting" airs tonight at
9:00 p.m. eastern, on USA Network.
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Groups: alt.sup****t.depression
From: Michael Ball
Date: Mon, Dec 27 1999 12:00 am
Howard Hong wrote,
> "If I wanted more of this feeling, then
> it would probably be a pleasure, no?"
I almost replied, "WRONG!," and offered this explanation:
I sometimes makes little cuts under my watchband, with a
razor blade.
Although there is some physical pain, I feel triumphant
because Michael Ball is getting a little dose of what he
deserves. So, it is a pleasure.
How odd; even sensations that most people would rate as
bad, sick, horrible, etc., can be and are pleasures--if
we want them. I never thought of those insignificant
little cuts specifically as pleasures, but they are!
I love it when little streams of blood trickle down my arm.
And I like the reminder pain over the following couple of
days, during the healing process.
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Subject: Prozac
Groups: alt.sup****t.depression
From: Michael Ball
Date: Mon, Aug 14 2000 12:00 am
Prozac affects everyone differently. Please, don't allow
other's Prozac experiences to influence you too much.
I take another medicine that makes me tired; so, I can't
attribute fatigue to Prozac. FWIW, fatigue is a common
complaint. I don't believe Prozac has any effect on one's
immune system. In my humble opinion, Tabasco Sauce and
jalapeno peppers are far more effective than any flu shot!
:-) I haven't had a cold in years. :-)
Wait a minute! A cat lover!?
Oh, well, I suppose someone has to...
(((K))) I hope you're doing well today.
Michael
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> Thanks for the reply.
You're in EXXXCELLENT company, brian <{}: ~ ) >
> I'm not really looking for an online course,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard teaches
HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method
Manual Students ALL OVER the WHOWEL WILD WORLD
HOWE to pupperly raise, handle an train their critters, children
an spHOWESES NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOIN
EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE
of HOWE you PREFER, and FOR FREE, to boot <{}'; ~ ) >
> more looking online to find a good obedience school or local trainer.
You'll probably want to find a EXXXPERT trainer like
janet boss or handsome gentleman jack morrison. janet
is EXXXPERIENCED with REDIRECTED AGGRESSION
like your own dog is havin:
Janet B wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:44:14 -0500, Janet B
> <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, clicked their
> heels and said:
> Since you quoted me repeatedly, where does it say
> I beat dogs, choke dogs, scream at dogs, etc? Thanks
> for your clarification.
responding to my own post, I had to go back and look
at the original post, to remind myself what "we" are all
accused of doing:
"screaming, choking,
shocking, pinching, beating
the living crap out of your dogs"
Scream? no
Choke? no
Shock? e-collars are a lot more sophisticated than that
Pinch? if you want to classify a momentary discomfort
by a prong collar, go ahead, but unless you have first
hand experience with one, your opinion means nothing.
Beat the living crap out of? hardly - no hitting exists
-------------------------
Here's HOWE COME:
Here's janet's CUSTOME MADE pronged spiked pinch choke collar:
http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
"J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
know HOWE COME IT was MACED?
janet CONtinues:
> > My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are DOGS.
> > I don't have anything against electronic bark collars, but they
> > should be used in conjunction with actually working at training
> > your dog(s).
They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.
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LIKE THIS:
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
Hello everyone:
If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.
I will add a bit more history later in this post.
Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.
The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
had the time to work with him much on that.
I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pu****ng his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.
Muttley took the op****tunity to attack a young black
male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.
That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.
When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
what should be done about Muttley.
She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.
She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.
"They can't all be saved".
<snip>
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
<snip>
If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience cl***** at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.
--------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
Here's janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON "student" paul:
#2 - 6/05/07
>> When I was training him under Janet's supervision
>> I was instructed to give it a ? firm yank as a correction.
>
> I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm
> yanks on a chain choke collar. I hate the things.
>
>> She was able to get his attention with
>> just a quick tug, but I had to yank on it
>> hard enough to lift him off his feet to get
>> him to respond. Looking back now, I think
>> it was based on his fear, which he had for
>> her (as an unknown), but not for me
>> (whom he had learned to trust).
>
> He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a
> confident trainer. Fear has no place in dog
> training, as I told you THEN.
> Janet
It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
of further punishment.
Sure, if it is administered very consistently
by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
so what remains is negative.
Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
from me without lunging for it. When you offered
it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
a fear behavior.
Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
to think on his own, but that's just my way of
doing things, and that's probably not going to
change much. He may never win an obedience
medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
of control, either.
Paul and Muttley
"I thought I was told that the way to get the dog to go
down was to make him sit and then step onthe leash.
That was awkward and didn't seem to work.
I will confess that I only tried the "down" position
once or twice at home, and I also often used it
instead of "Off" when I wanted him to stop
jumping on me or elsewhere I didn't want him to be.
I had to give him corrections every few seconds,
and also just about kick him, to keep him at my
left side.
Muttley is really a very sweet and loving dog, but
he needs more socialization with other dogs. However,
it is very likely that I will have him put down in a week."
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
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HERE'S HOWE COME:
Subject: Re: redirected aggression
Date: 4/11/07
"Janet Boss" <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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seems I have been dealing with this a bit lately.
Dog to dog and dog to person,, with dogs who are
obviously overstimulated by what's in front of them.
What's in front of them varies from people at the door
to dogs in their path or directly in their face. The dogs
in question all have very poor self control.
I have dog(s) with not-so-great-natural self control,
so it's something we constantly work on. We don't
have redirected stuff going on, because we have enough
obedience to avoid it.
While I know that's the big answer for the dogs in
question as well, I'm curious what things people have
found useful to redirect/focus/gain attention from
drivey dogs or just very distracted of over-the-top dogs.
We're having success with my recommendations, but I'm
always open to something novel that may be the hot ticket.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
Here's janet's PARTNER:
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context,"
sinofa***** writes:
> > What I have said- repeatedly - is that he
> > took posts from two different people,
No, there was ONLY WON quote.
> > took pieces of them out of context,
Of curse. QUOTED. You wanna see it in context?
> > cobbled them together,
No. There was WON DIRECT QUOTE.
> > then added his own words:
"Neatly," and "Smartly."
> > and a fake signature.
"sinofa*****" instead of sionnach.
> > Which is exactly what he did.
INDEEDY. That's HOWE COME you deny it.
> > The actual quote is misleading
That so?
> > when taken out of context,
We'd been talkin abHOWET beatin the dog with a shoe...
> > and Jerry's faked "quote"
The WON sinofa***** totally DENIES.
> > is downright meaningless.
Only if you're a MENTAL CASE.
Here's Jerry's version
"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofa*****.
Here's yours:
"I dropped the leash, threw my
right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
grabbed her opposite foot with my
left hand, rolled her on her side,
leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
nipped her ear.
--Sara Sionnach
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
See?
From: j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(J1Boss)
Date: 2000/10/06
Subject: Re: ****na Inu Experts : Please help!
Dogman, quoting howdy-doody:
>>This is a young puppy, hardly a threat to a kat.
> See? They just cannot conceive of a cat, for example, scratching
> out the eyes of a young puppy because it didn't want to be bothered
> by an over-exurburant puppy (are there any other kinds?).
********** Jerry's never met a puppy, He's never met a
RETRIEVER PUPPY, that's pretty clear. I have a wonderfully
exhuberant retriever puppy - love every minute of it.
My 17 year old cat, doesn't have quite the same appreciation.
Sometimes, Franklin licks his ears and Robie enjoys it. Other
times, Franklin thinks Robie's another puppy and Robie does
not enjoy that. Without my supervision, confinement is only
sensible (of course).
I've got Jer-Jer kill-filed, but the glimpes at his posts, through
re-posts, are good indications that nothing has changed.
> But if a crate is a "barrier" to training a puppy, then what
> must the walls of a SCHOOL ROOM be, eh?
*********** and don't forget cribs for crawling babies, safety
gates, doors, etc. Let's just open up the houses and let everyone
run amok!
> Ladies and gentlemen, he literally counts on many of you
> being too damn stupid or ignorant to see just how little he
> actually knows about dogs, puppies, cats, etc.
> Don't let him, eh?
> Dogman
************** It's so difficult for the newbies, since so many
of the people who DO have good advice, have killfiled him.
Tired of refuting slander and general inaccuracies in his "they're
all bad, I'm good" rants (without any actual training advice, as
usual) is a reality for most.
Are there actually people, besides Marilyn, who believe him?
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
THAT was your pal DOGMAN, another pathetic
miserable stinkin rotten lyin anonymHOWES coward.
Not so handsome, not so gentle, not so manly, not so
happy jackass, not even morrison aka dogman a.k.a.
BIG DADDY, a.k.a. tommy sorenson, sez:
"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and ****n. Yep, really lean into it.
Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
make her think twice about ru****ng past you again -
- which is exactly what you want her to do.
Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.
If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.
When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and ****ge her with your knee. Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."
I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training. That is, she just
needs *more* of it."
"My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that
I'm trying
to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.
A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.
Okay. Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
really matters. Saving lives and making dogs become
good citizens
At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
*not* constitute a "beating."
=====================
From: dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman)
Date: 1999/01/15
Subject: Re: Another mouthy lab
Get this book:
"The Art of Raising A Puppy," by the Monks of New Skete
If you can't find it locally, you can obtain it
through my Web site (see below).
You'll need it for more than just the usual puppy
"mouthing" problems, anyway.
And good luck with your Lab puppy!
--
Dogman
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From: osi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Michael Erskine)
Date: 12 Aug 2004 10:09:05 -0700
Subject: My GSD bit me.
The question:
I have a four year old male GSD. He growls
at me sometimes. When he growls at me he
stares me in the face and lays his ears back.
The New Skete books say that the dog should not be
allowed to do that. They suggest shaking down the
dog by grabing the dog on the sides of his neck and
picking him off his front feet, then giving the dog the
same sort of treatment the dog would give another if
it were challenging him.
Namely getting in the dogs face and letting
the dog know you are the alpha dog.
Well, my dog bit me clearly he felt that I was not
convincing enough or he bit me out of fear.
Anyone got ideas on what to do with this dog that might
help him to decide that he wants to follow and that he
has nothing to fear from me?
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From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:21:14 GMT
Subject: Re: My GSD bit me.
You need to improve your acting skills. Get a werewolf
suit with blood-drenched fangs and claw gloves and THEN
go after your dog.
Knock the **** out of him and don't be afraid to crack
some ribs. Then yank the mask off and shout "SURPRISE!
IT'S ME!" I guarantee you and your dog will have a new
relation****p based on mutual respect.
Keep in mind that the monks of New Skete
were pre-Lon-Chaney.
Charlie
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Here's *janet* "TRAININ" her own dog
not to EAT **** and swallHOWE socks:
From: Janet Boss <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:39:43 -0400
Subject: Re: the one-dog two-dog dilemma
In article <fb464s$uc...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
Shelly <she...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> hat was a sing that I should be committed.
> I have a feeling that, as crazy as multiple retrievers might be, it
> pales in comparison to multiple Boxers. It's not a theory I'd
> personally care to test, though.
Me neither! Yes, we don't have the sock thing with Rudy
thank goodness. He keeps me just as worried with lumps
(cells from one are out for biopsy now), has been a poop
eater (past tense) and has his urinary issue.
Their "joie de vivre" is pretty similar though!
They're actually very good at being rugs
when in the house and it's just me/us.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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From: J1Boss (j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: housebreaking in a multi level home
Date: 2002-06-27 03:30:11 PST
> From: Rocky
> Nessa wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> why does Franklin have to be on a leash?
>
> I think that Franklin's been naughty.
>
>--
>--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
and apparently pretty sneaky too -
can't figure this one out still!
FYI - He ingested a mystery sock.
Hadn't done that in well over a year.
When he was a puppy we were very lucky -
they went through or came up. We've done
"sock work" with him leaving them alone,
but mostly are pretty conscientious about
not making them available.
The risk is obviously too high. One of his
littermates beat him to the punch with the
same surgery, and his great grandfather had
this habit until he died at age 12.
My MIL was visiting (sockless!) and since he
wasn't with me every waking moment as usual
as a result, I can only imagine that the sock
presented itself somehow while she was with him.
He was a very, very sick dog. He had emergency
surgery on Monday, but was home by Tuesday - we
lucked out that the sock had advanced enough that
they didn't need to cut the bowel.
Once he was opened, they were able to manipulate
the sock out his rectum. He thinks he's fine, so
the leash is very necessary! He's got about a foot
of staples on his tummy, and this was a very
expensive sock!
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
--------------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAA~!~!~!
FRANKLIN and JANET, ACT II
From: J1Boss (j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: What can I do if I can't afford a behaviorist?
Date: 2002-06-27 05:20:30 PST
> From: diddy d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Some dogs are really adept at getting
> out of things, even the impossible.
Yes indeed. I crated Franklin when I had to
leave yesterday. He's post surgical and needs
to be confined and rest/kept safe.
He is used to crates, has not problem with
them and does not "escape" (mesh crates, wire
crates, etc - he takes them all in stride,
whether strange places or at home).
When I got home, both dogs greeted me at the
door. He had managed to bend the clips on the
end panel of his metal crate (General Cage 204)
and squeeze out the top/side of the end panel
that has the door. The door was securely closed.
THAT was NOT a good thing to do with a foot of
staples in your tummy. He hadn't done it before -
but he's not his usual self obviously.
We won't be trying that again any time soon!
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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Oooops~!:
Subject: The crate escape - my brilliant puppy!
1 From: Janet B
Date: Wed, Apr 5 2006 7:44 am
Email: Janet B j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rudy came to stay with us, I got tired of running
into an open crate door, so I bought a new crate, with a
door that folds up and in. "can't be opened from the inside"
says the ad. I always looked at these and hought "right",
but for the last few months (yes, folks, it's been 3.5 months)
it has worked great.
Until Monday.
That's when Mr Smarty-pants decided he knew how
to open it. And greeted us at the door after 6+ hours
of freedom.
A chewed wastebasket lid and a puddle inside the
front door (he loses it if very excited and yesterday
morning I found evidence that a smallish dog had
apparently "visited" right outside my full view front
door) was all that was wrong.
So yesterday, when I left for a short errand, I made
sure to clip the door closed securely. And once again
came home to an unconfined puppy.
So, today, the crate will get clips on the door to ensure
this doesn't happen again. I need him to learn that he
shouldn't let himself out.
But it looks like he's going to be allowed house freedom
within a few days, and since he'll be 9 months old on
Monday, that'll be the day.
I'll take the next few days to put some shoes away and
check out other things he may be interested in, and get
out the bitter apple.
My house is not exactly the neatest place in the world,
and there's a lot of stuff that may be too available and
interesting. We shall see.
My puppy is growing up and too smart for his own good!
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
From: Janet B <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 15:23:53 -0400
Subject: urinary leaking
Rudy has a vet appointment tomorrow afternoon,
but I thought I'd throw this out here anyway.
Rudy has excitement urination sometimes - if I spend too long before
coming into the house, he may flood his crate. This is generally only
if I've been gone over 4 hours. He does not have water in his crate.
Rudy sleeps through the night (10-6 or 7) and never has an issue with
leaking then. He is housebroken and waits until I let him out.
A few times over the last month, after I've been gone a bit over 5
hours, I've come home, let him out where he pees up a storm, then he
is fed, out again, maybe multiple times (for play, etc) and eliminates
normally. Then he naps. When he's sleeping, he leaks.
Baseball-Softball sized puddle generally. Yesterday, I as home with
him all day, gone for <2 hours in the early evening, and late in the
evening, right before bed, he leaked again while sleeping.
This doesn't strike me as an infection or even a sphincter issue, but
it has me puzzled. He has no idea he's doing it and it doesn't wake
him.
Any thoughts?
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
-------------------------
Here's a other of janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON "students":
Subject: First Class was tonite
1 From: Nessa
Date: Tues, Jun 11 2002 8:32 pm
Email: Nessa <use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Tonite I started Janet's obedience class. It's
like NIGHT and DAY from the class Bagel 'flunked'.
I was amazed at the difference and I am very glad
Janet gave me the chance to attend her class.
I can't wait till PK on Saturday.
Nessa
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Subject: Training...
1 From: Nessa
Date: Wed, Jun 12 2002 9:45 pm
Email: Nessa <use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
well both my kids are asleep one on my left and
one on my right. Bagel has taken to running away
every chance he gets now so I have to be ever vigilant.
I have tried every type of collar around. Flat Buckle,
nylon lobster claw slip collar, harness, gentle leader.
Yesterday I watched him on a prong collar.
I SWORE I would NEVER use a prong collar.
He willingly sits to have it put on (as opposed
to fighting me when I put on the gentle leader).
He is no longer pulling on the leash when we walk.
Currently he is doing his 30 minute quiet period
next to my chair with it on since he is leashed and
he is out like a light. So is Hannah.
I tried to find them a place to play off leash tonight
since Bagel has become a happy wanderer and I
couldn't find a safe place so they didn't get as much
play as any of us would like.
I am doing my training with Janet and I am so happy.
Bagel did his sit downs tonight without much fuss and
Hannah watched from the crate. Then we let Hannah
do about 5 minutes of sit and down.
She's getting good at them.
I have been rewarding with treats and tonite I didn't
and they still did what I told them to do. with Bagel
on my left with his head facing front and Hannah on
my right with her head facing back I feel like I have
the most beautiful bookends in the world.
Life with a dog..... PRICELESS
Nessa
--
I don't have issues
I have subscriptions
www.nessa.info
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From: Nessa
Date: Thurs, Jul 4 2002 8:22 am
Email: Nessa <use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 0:08:02 -0400, Jenn wrote
(in message <CSPU8.117216$Lf2.8604...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
> That aside, I crate trained both my dogs
> successfully, and used the crate to house
> train them.
Bagel is so well crate trained that in the mornings when
I make his Kong, he runs to the crate and since I am not
crating him anymore (just confining him) but I am crating
Hannah, I have to pull him out of the crate and he does not
want to get out.
BTW housebreaking with Janet is going quite well.
Nessa
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Subject: I went away for the weekend... big mistake
1 From: Nessa -
Date: Sun, Jul 21 2002 9:58 pm
Email: Nessa <use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
I went away for the weekend and I think my
dog walker will never speak to me again.
Bagel escaped from the kitchen and ate about 10
pounds of puppy food and proceeded to deposit it
all over my house.
He esp. liked my living room sofa which was my
mothers as he pulled some cu****ons off of it and
literally stood on it and peed.
Yes I know my dog has issues and I know I need help.
I think my poor dog walker needs therapy now.
It was a rough dog weekend for her and not
just with my kids.
I didn't know until the last minute I was going
away and NEXT time, the furbabies will go to
furbaby camp for the weekend.
It was too much for them.
Well live and learn.
Meanwhile, I'm still glad I went on retreat.
My house will survive as things are not im****tant.
Hannah still loves me and Bagel will talk
to me in a few days.....
Nessa
------------
From: Nessa (use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Where we stand/sit/down/leave it Now
Date: 2003-09-17 14:14:51 PST
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:16:04 -0400,
Charlie Wilkes wrote (in message
<6dchmvc41uetv229f7249jh60k6881i...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
> Yes, it's a huge improvement over shoving them
> in crates at night. But why does Bagel have to
> be leashed?
because he will wander the area (room if i close
the door or house if i don't) and pee and bark all
night long. but i said that already you must not
be reading for comprehension.
--
Nessa
=========
Subject: Night time barking.. Help needed
1 From: Nessa
Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 5:50 am
Email: Nessa <use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Morning all,
Bagel and Hannah are doing well except for
night time barking in the house for play time.
Problem is it that when I am trying to sleep esp.
between 1 and 5. I CAN'T just let them bark it
out (because if I could it's no biggie and I can
sleep through it).
My problem is that my next door neighbors (I live in
a townhouse) don't appreciate it (and I can't blame them).
If they are very tired after a day at the park they tend
to sleep better but I can't get them to the park now
everyday because it gets dark earlier. I try to let them
run around a bit in the neighborhood with other dogs
but it's not enough.
oh that is when the owners and I are standing there.
we try to let them all play under supervision.
I can live with the banging (as Bagel slams Hannah
into the wall or Hannah throws one of her bones down
the uncarpeted steps and they waterfall down the steps
(there is no other way to describe dogs running down
wooden steps)
I know a tired dog is a good dog. I just don't know
what to do to hold off the barking. I know they are
playing and all I can think of is the line from the kids
book Go Dog Go (one of my favorites) is:
Now it is night
Sleep dogs sleep
(btw the drawing is of all these dogs sleeping in a big bed
on the pillows like humans with their party hats on)
I'm at the point where I am considering a soft muzzle to
prevent parking. Someone has offered the use of the
shock collar to teach no bark but I don't want to do that.
I'm too sleep deprived to do anything much.
HELP!!
Nessa
--
I don't have issues
I have subscriptions
www.nessa.info
2 From: J1Boss
Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 7:48 am
Email: j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(J1Boss)
Nessa wrote:
> Problem is it that when I am trying to sleep esp.
> between 1 and 5. I CAN'T just let them bark it
> out (because if I could it's no biggie
> and I can sleep through it).
What the (*&(*)(* are they doing awake between 1 and 5?
> I can live with the banging (as Bagel slams Hannah
> into the wall or Hannah throws one of her bones down
> the uncarpeted steps and they waterfall down the steps
> (there is no other way to describe dogs running down
> wooden steps)
Baby gate. Door.
Do NOT let them wander the house getting
more charged up.
> I'm too sleep deprived to do anything much.
> HELP!!
Nessa - I would seriously consider why these dogs
are up at 1-5 and even thinking they CAN be! They
need to be confined to your room, told firmly to knock
it off, and have that backed up with some sort of
correction if they don't.
If all else fails, tether then away from each other, but
honestly, if they aren't responsive to you telling them
to cut it out, we're back to the "bigger issues" problem.
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
Maybe she can't scream at her dogs at night?
nessa CONtinues:
> A few weeks ago it started at 5:30 am and it has become
> increasingly earlier until this morning he started at 4:00.
> Ignoring him has proven to be futile, as has calming him
> down and rewarding him with a treat and, as a last resort,
> spraying him with water from a plant sprayer.
> This morning I even put him in his crate and took him into
> the bathroom with me as I prepared for work (normally he
> stays in a x-pen in the kitchen) but he only calmed down
> for a few minutes before the whining began again.
A 1 year old should be hanging out with you. Overnight,
around the house, and heck, even neat the bathroom while
you get ready for work..
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
Subject: Puppy license expires
1 From: Nessa
Date: Fri, Jul 26 2002 5:57 am
Email: Nessa <use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Yep, she is pretty much housebroken so I let her
out of the crate at night to sleep with me. But last
night, while I was asleep she ATE MY GL*****.
It's my fault, I left them on the night table (where I
always leave them) so I could see when I got up.
I needed a new pair but I wanted to be able to get
them without having to miss work. Now, poof here
I am gl*****less. thank goodness we have 1 hour
glass makers pretty close by.
Well she's crated now until this chewing phase is over.
Hannah will be 5 months old next week. Any advice
on how to deal with this other than the standard, no bite,
here chew this, crating, etc.
Nessa
--
I don't have issues
I have subscriptions
www.nessa.info
nessa's dogs got her EVICTED to boot <{}: ~ ( >
From: Nessa (ladybug0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Sad News.. I need someone to take my dogs
Date: 2003-08-26 09:55:03 PST
well I'm not BLAMING my job it's ONE of MANY
things that I'm considering.
As for returning them to their respective shelters,
I don't want to split them up and I'm not going to
give them to just anyone. Possibly because I am
doing everything I can to keep them and drag this
mess out as long as possible in hopes that it will
work out.
=============
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
author: "CourteHOWES Canine."
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?
When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first
time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth
and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with
this but just ignore him and continue your normal
behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"CourteHOWES Canines"
Here's janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON heelper:
"J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
On 6 Feb 2006 17:41:08 GMT, Mary Healey
<mhhea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
clicked their heels and said:
> Does that include tone of voice? Some tools are easier
> to ban than others.
yes - screaming banshees are told to shut up! And I
always have to remind spouses that they may NOT do the
"honey - you're supposed to be doing it like THIS"......
--
Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
From: sionnach (rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST
> And Sally responded:
> > Who said that? I would never do or recommend
> > that, and neither would most of the regulars
> > on here.
> >Sally Hennessey
>
> I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed
> to do so. Take it out of context and you'd think
> I was flinging puppies across the room!
> here's what I said (keep in mind that we're
> talking about a 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):
> A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's very persistant.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?
I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy
is very persistant, it can be appropriate to take
hold of the loose skin at the back of the neck and
give a slight shake to the *skin*".
Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."
----------------------
"After Numerous Training Cl*****, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
Subject: Re: shock collars
Sally Hennessey <greyho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63h8ekqiforibadrff2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
from being incredibly offensive and self-
righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge
in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps
a lack of ability to perceive same.
The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to
whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were
unim****tant does not mean that such dogs do not exist.
What it means is that you don't know as much about
dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know
a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.
I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with
one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or
anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant
nothing to her.
I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories. The fact that
you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as
what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to
suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by
"you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's
English you guys talk about over there) means that
you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person
who is not worth further notice.
Sally Hennessey
"Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:54nuetsqgkhp26qqv128jnumgmb2m27opr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.
I'm starting to see some similarities here.
Sally Hennessey
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From: J1Boss (j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Allstate won't insure my house due to dangerous breed
Date: 1999/01/11
My homeowner's policy DID pay over $2300 to cover
automobile damage for the person who killed my dog
recently.
My rates don't change, I'm not dropped,
my dogs weren't questioned.
Perhaps there is more to the "judgement" criteria than meets the eye.
Janet Boss<BR>
Best Friends Dog Obedience<BR>
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
"Read your question for the obvious answer"
> My insurance company paid over $2300 to fix someone's
> car after my dog was hit and killed. If the car had hit a deer,
> the car owner's insurance would have had to pay. The leash
> law in my county meant that even without INTENTIONAL off leash
> cir***stances, the car driver had a right to compensation from
> my homeowner's insurance, even though he was very much speeding.
> Janet Boss
> Best Friends Dog Obedience
> "Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
> Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
> www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
There you were bragging to somebody else about how good your
allstate insurance was. That your rates didn't change, even though
you paid somebody $2300 for killing your dog.
You were happy about that.
Happy you didn't have to pay for it out of your own pocket.
Feelin' pretty good about yourself and your choice in insurers.
You were happy your rates didn't change. You were happy you
weren't dropped. You were happy your (remaining) dogs weren't
"questioned" by your all powerful insurance company which you
work so hard to remain in good favor of.
Janet Boss
Nice surgery for the Family Pet due to Incompetent training
Run over my dog and I'll pay you.
have a nice day starving your dogs so people will think
you are a "responsible" dog owner.
Janet.
--
this is michael
re****ting live...
from the new muzzle of dog training
http://dogtv.com
http://changethemuzzle.com
-------------------------
"My Lab Mix Died In 104 Degree Heat, But He Chose
To Be Outside In That Brutal Heat" janet boss, Idiot,
Thug, Dog Killer, Liar, Mental Case:
From: J1Boss (j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Sudden Doggie Death, please help!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.health
Date: 2001-07-20 15:03:09 PST
> From: lwrodrig...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Leslie W. Rodriguez)
> I am desperately searching the web trying to help me
> find out why my 1 yr old lab died all of the sudden
> yesterday. If you can help me w/ recognizing any
> of her symptoms please let me know.
> I left yesterday at around 2:00pm for an appt and
> she was great. When I returned by 6:00pm she
> was lying on the ground, unable to move, making
> groaning sounds, throwing up and having diarrhea.
> It almost seemed as if she was convulsing but since
> I'm far from a dog expert I had no clue what was
> going on. Also her gums we're slightly bleeding
> w/ a funny color to them.
> We live in Texas where it was 100 degrees yesterday
> so I was thinking that she was too hot or something
> so I washed her down w/ the water hose and tried to
> give her ice cubes, nothing helped!
Sounds like heat stroke. Why was she outside in that kind of heat?
>> Around 7:30pm she had about 3 hacking
>> spells then stopped breathing.
And hour and a half after you found her in distress? Yikes!
>> I couldn't have driven her to the vet because she was
>> unable to walk and I had no way of picking her up.
Call a spouse, a neighbor, the vet, the police - SOMEONE could help!
> If any of this sounds like something you are familiar
> w/ could you please let me know what was going on
> w/ her.
>Thanks for any help,
>Lwrodrig...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
does. My lab mix died 13 years ago in 104 degree heat.
I felt very guilty that I didn't come home just 1/2 hour earlier
from work to MAKE him come in from the heat. He did
have that choice though.
He could have been indoors in air conditioning via a
dog door, but chose to be outside in that brutal heat.
My neighbor said he was barking at a passerby just 1/2
hour before I came home (a favorite activity). It was a
horrible day, but had he been alive and in distress when
I came home, I would have stopped passing cars if I
hadn't been able to lift him myself, if it meant getting
him to the vet to LIVE!
He was 15.5 years old - his time was going to be up one
way or another, but the day still haunts me 13 years later.
No dogs since have been given a choice
but to stay in the air conditioning.
I don't KNOW that his was heat stroke, it could have
been his heart or a severe stroke. At his age it was
going to be something. Heat had to have been a
contributing factor though.
Rule of thumb - never own a dog you can't lift or
figure out how to lift. Life may depend on it.
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
"Second-hand dogs AREN'T second-rate"
-------------------------
YOU WANT A PIECE OF THAT, brian??
> Greta is currently under quarantine, meaning she stays locked in the
> fenced area of our small backyard and is allowed out only on a leash.
> The new invisible fence is installed, and I am retraining her with it
> (very little to the training at this point).
THAT'S on accHOWENTA there AIN'T NO TRAINING involved
otherWIZE your dog WOULDA BEEN TRAINED not to ESCAPE
when the SHOCK was shut off.
LUCKY THING you can *(well, PROBABLY NOT *you* but ANY
WON ***[well, NOT ANY WON HERE], but ANY DECENT person)
CAN TRAIN ANY DOG NEARLY INSTANTLY not to leave their
own terrortory.
LIKE THIS:
From: BethF
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2002 6:23 pm
Email: "BethF" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
--Beth, Pseudo usenet cop
From: misty (Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Date: 2002-01-23 07:46:16 PST
Beth wrote:
> So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.
The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home
were: build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan
on putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.
Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning
anything. At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.
By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had
already ran away.
Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread is
mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days. I
stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated that
his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.
The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.
Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it in
my e-mail ( no storage otherwise on webby unless you put stuff
on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it on
Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to lose
another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with little
kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I still look
to see if she came home when we get back from trips. Maybe
Peach would still have ran away... I don't know and never
will....
~misty
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"misty" <Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in message
I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do
know she's not here with us. I really can't blame
anyone here for her loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it
because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling
to accept the idea that my using a shock collar
could have any bearing on Peach not wanting
to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had
been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my
concern became how to keep them from running
off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled
in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the
world now <g> A Wits End Trained dog, one who
is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up stuff,
stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
================
misty" <Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:6946-3B6337A1-329@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and
no collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want
to come back in the yard and would run for days.
The last time, Peach didn't come back home.
I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how
to train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in
the yard.
She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop
her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes
when we walk around the yard.
I can not say loud or long enough how much I
hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can't get
a regular fence then you need to train your dog.
I will never rely on an electronic collar to
keep my dog in our yard again.
The price was too high:-(
~misty
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From: Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(misty)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:44:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Wits End Training manual?
I used the Wit's Ends Training manual to teach myself how
to interact with Zelda. The first read through made no
sense to me...the second time through, things clicked and
the little lightbulb glowed.
I trained Zelda to stay in the yard, not chase cats, to come,
sit ,down, stop chewing toys and to be quiet when she barks
at things she hears outside.
I don't care if 99% of the manual came from 99 other trainers...
I needed the info, it was offered free of charge and any questions
can be asked of Jerry.
One thing about his method, although you can "spot" train
with it, it works best by a pyramid approach.IOW start
at the beginning and go through the exercises in the order
he has them wrote.
The part about "non-physical praise" confused me until I
tried a little experiment. I petted Zelda and told her
what a good girl she was...she enjoyed it, tail wagging.
I then put my hand away from her (behind my back) and
praised her...she got very wiggly, ****ged me with her nose,
pawed at me and wanted more praise. Not very scientific,
I know, but it was interesting to me how excited she got.
I find that I'm starting to use Jerry's method to "train"
my kids as well:-)
~misty
My "daughter" http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/ZeldaAnneArensdorf/
My sons http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/Arensdorf14Acre/
From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:13:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Wits End Training manual?
On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:44:25 -0500 (CDT),
Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(misty) wrote:
> I find that I'm starting to use Jerry's method to "train" my kids as
> well:-) ~misty
> My "daughter":
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/ZeldaAnneArensdorf/
> My sons: http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/Arensdorf14Acre/
Hi Misty!
I had just about exactly the same experience with Jerry's manual.
I had visited quite a few dog-training web sites, and, while they
didn't recommend anything too harsh, they all emphasized that
I must "assert my dominance" over the pup.
Anytime I tried doing that (just once or twice) it produced a
distinctly negative result... The pup got scared and ran away.
When I took the approach of simply making myself into the most
im****tant and desirable thing in her world, she responded incredibly
well. Now I can even break off a rabbit chase instantly (which I do
NOT want to allow, as I live in a rural area with chickens and
livestock) just by calling her once in a calm, affectionate voice.
Your kids and your dog are adorable, BTW!
You can see my pup at
http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy
Check the "more pictures" link -- like your dog, Holly
is more than happy to do an "alpha rollover" when I use
the gentle, non-confrontational approach Jerry recommends.
Charlie
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"misty" <Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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(me) wrote:
>> You can check Google for my posting history...
>> here, breeds, cats, kids and> birds... and I
>> have a dog who doesn't : chew inappropriate items,
>> jump on people, counter-surf, be aggressive, bark
>> too much, get in the garbage no matter what yummy
>> morsel is waiting, can be left overnight in the
>> house w/o pottying or any of the above... no, she
>> has no titles other than beloved pet.. but that
>> is enough for me.
>
Pat wrote:
>
> Misty, I have a dog who doesn't do any of these
> things either. She came to us with NO training
> whatsoever (didn't even know what 'sit' meant),
> but she didn't do any of those things when she
> came to us at the age of 18 months. Some dogs
> are just naturally good, easy-going, and very
> easy to live with. I'm lucky enough to have one.
Yes, some dogs are just good dogs but... Zelda used
to destroy stuff..kids toys, stuffed animals, shoes,
and even my pillow. She would pee in the house. She
would go on barking jags because the neighbor's dogs
were barking.
By using Jerry's manual I worked things out... I got
rid of the crate and put the kibosh on plans of getting
another shock collar (for e-fence) and had a plan to
follow which trained Zelda to stay in her yard and not
go roaming with her buddies.
Zelda came ito my life as a 3-4 month old pup who
lived outside, ran free and had never been inside.
We adopted her and then her mom, spayed both and tried
to cope with one dog who refused to stay home... jumped
fences, broke chains and finally chewed off collar to be
able to go go go. Peach didn't come back the last time.
Zelda started out running off with her mm and her buddies..
she continued to do so until I did the step by step plan
Jerry's manual outlines.
She stays home... she doesn't chew up stuff and she is
1000% housebroken.
Again.. Jerry might be "crazy" but his methods work
and they are free...
~misty
> I like the invisible fence because
You LIKE the SHOCK FENCE on accHOWENTA you're
a PATHETIC DOG ABUSIN COWARD and PROBABLE
MENTAL CASE otherWIZE you've have learned HOWE to
perimeter train your "RESCUE" dog withHOWET HURTIN
IT <{}: ~ ( >
> it allows our dogs to have more running room. Not too many
> wild animals in the area to worry about, and I do check on the
> dogs every time I hear them bark. The people with the Collie
> are moving this week, so that's one less concern.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> I'll be talking with one of my coworkers about working with Greta.
Yeah? You MIGHT wanna ask your garbage collector or a interstate
truck driver. They got LOTS of dog savvy <{}: ~ ) >
Subject: Need A Dog Trainer? Hire A Truck Driver:
"Karen J. Cravens" <silver+...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
message news:Xns92C5D02B81FE8phoenyx@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> begin "Jazz" <Jaz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> quotation
> from news:ut5fep4k9e29bf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > Hi, my new rescue pup and I have a problem. I've
> > had him a month now and he's 8 months old. When I
> > walk him and a big truck, especially a garbage
> > truck goes by, he panics. I don't exist for him
> > anymore. He
>
> My late GSD mix used to do this... when we were in
> the car, and a semi went past, she came completely
> unglued.
>
> One day, a truck driver saw her (I drove a
> "bubble-back" Capri in those days) before she
> saw/heard the truck, and honked the horn and waved
> at her. She started to freak, then froze, looked up...
> and realized THERE WAS A PERSON IN THAT THING!
>
> Suddenly, trucks weren't scary in the slightest.
> She'd bounce around happily trying to see into the
> cabs.
>
> Dunno if this makes the least bit of difference to
> your dog, or how you'd go about drawing his
> attention to the person in control of the "monster,"
> but it's a thought.
> --
> Karen J. Cravens
> He has raised a few seeing eye dogs and may have some good ideas.
The "Seeing Eye", "Guide Dogs For The Blind" and "Canines
For Independence" rely on puppy raisers and ineffective, force
methods. Their FAILURE rate is greater than 2/3's <{}: ~ ( >
From: f...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Harold A. Fleming)
Date: 2000/07/01
Subject: Canine Companions for Independence
Does anyone have any information on this orgaanization, particularly
with respect to its dog training techniques which rumor has it may be
rather abusive?
Hal
From: "Jerry Howe" <jh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2000/07/04
Subject: Re: Canine Companions for Independence
That's TRUE.
I've seen a few of their graduates, and a few of their puppy raisers,
and a few of their trainers working dogs in the Metro. Jerry.
> Greta is a tough case.
NO SUCH THING. You're the "TOUGH CASE".
*YOU* are the pathetic ignorameHOWES who WANTS to
HURT and INTIMDIATE your dog to MAKE IT FRIENDLY.
> Completely submissive with us,
Naaaah? Oh, you mean she's AFRAID of you.
> but she is too aggressive in defending the yard.
ALL aggression is FEAR. ALL FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
> I usually block her way when she starts to bark or charge a
> bicycle or other dogs (she always stopped at the edge of the
> yard until Thursday).
She BOLTS after them on accHOWENTA your SHOCK
FENCE HURTS HER EVERY TIME they go bye.
> I'm working with her on some long sits to establish
> more dominance on my part.
THAT'S INSANE. There AIN'T NO SUCH THING as "dominance".
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH,
That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And
Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The
Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies.
Furthermore, "ALL CRITTERS LEARN BEST THROUGH PLAY,"
Lorenz; MIMICRY, PLAY, EXPLORATION AND THE NEED
FOR DATA: Complex activities are LEARNED MORE QUICKLY
through OBSERVATION (copying, if you will) than by trial and
error with reinforcemet (Luchins,).
Observers of subjects making a first trial of a multiple
choice bolt head maze made fewer errors than the
practiced subjects in the second run, while subjects
who have been shocked for error on a first trial made
more errors than either (Rosenbaum & Hewitt, 1966).
> Rewards are difficult,
THAT'S ABSURD:
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."
IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov:
"Motivation Of The Resistance To Coercion "-- PAVLOV
"Reflexes of purpose and freedom" in the comparative
physiology of higher nervous activity, Institute of
Higher Nervous Activity and Neurophysiology, Academy
of Sciences, Moscow:
The most complex unconditioned "reflexes of aim and
freedom," discovered by I.P. Pavlov, are compared
with the "competence drive" and the "motivation of the
resistance to coercion," respectively, described by
contem****ary ethologists.
On the basis of the unconditioned "reflex of purpose,"
conditioned reflexes were developed in which positive
emotions arising in connection with the perfection of
a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at
a given moment, serve as the reinforcement.
The unconditioned "reflex of freedom" is regarded as a
phylogenetic precursor of the will, and its acute extinction
as the physiological mechanism of hypnosis. It was
demonstrated experimentally that the appearance of the
state of "animal hypnosis" (immobilization catatonia) in
rabbits is accompanied by the predominance of electrical
activity and heat production in the right hemisphere, i.e.,
by symptoms which are found in hypnosis in man.
Simonov PV</h4>
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20(3):230-5
Author and professional dog trainer LeeCharlesKelley wrote:
Thanks, Jerry, that's a helpful bit from the guy
who started it all. This shows what we've been
saying: that teaching the dog to play fetch,
regardless of its usefulness in the eventual
search part of the training program, is a
powerful motivator and reinforcer.
Of course these idiots (pardon my being blunt)
don't see using food and clickers as being a
form of coercion. Maybe they've been hypnotized
by Karen Pryor, et al:
Freeze Frame <{}: ~ ) >
From: canis55 <cani...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 1999/09/28
Subject: Dear Marilyn Re. Ness
Dear Marilyn,
I just visited your updated site. The two Ness pages are great.
Freezing the video frames to reveal the emotional impact a
leash correction has on a dog was a wonderful idea.
Lee Kelley did something similar to a Brian Kilcommon video.
The difference is we were focusing on the emotional impact a
leash correction has on the trainer. When you do this to a training
video you can clearly see the tremendous emotional charge some
of these trainers are getting from hurting dogs.
It's a strange business, this dog training. I wonder what motivates
any of us to engage in it. I'm suspicious of anyone who says they
do it because they love dogs. I know a lot of people who claim to
love what dogs represent to them, and yet they don't become trainers.
I don't think this is because they love something else more.
I think there is a difference between loving what dogs represent
to us and loving what training them creates in us or even creates
in them for that matter.
It's a complicated process and perhaps many of us have lost sight
of what we're doing. I read books and articles that matter of factly
explain how to systematically inflict pain on dogs in an effort to
create a desire to perform tasks that I often see dogs performing of
their own accord. I know many of these behaviors can be shaped
and encouraged to the same degree of reliability without all the
violence and pain.
Where they can't (if that's the case), I wonder why we think
a dog should perform a task that is so repugnant to its nature,
that we must resort to violence and coercion to compel them
to participate.
Maybe I have far too much respect for dogs, but when I read
this stuff it sounds like slavery and involuntary servitude to me.
I can't see much difference between what we're doing to them
(for their own good) and what my country men did to the African
peoples for nearly half a century.
It's hard for me to accept that I'm surrounded by so much
madness, but I have to go with my heart on this one. Most
of what we demand from dogs--if not all of it--will be offered
willingly and enthusiastically if we only learn how to request
it in a manner they can comprehend.
If it turns out that I have to attack a dog to get it to do or to not do
something, then maybe the dog isn't supposed to do what I think it
should.
The whole thing's so complicated that I can't really express it. I
just know I don't like some of the stuff I'm seeing or reading about.
--
I trains'em as I sees'em.
----------------
"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) re****t a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are re****ted to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
were moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and
learning immediately deteriorated.
Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement
model" proposed by Skinner (1963) are no more well
established in research than the various dynamic
therapists."
Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of
programmed systems for learning; 2) reinforcement;
3) cognitive dissonance; and 4) motivation, MOST
SURELY DEMOLISH the claims of operant programers."
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966).
Some clinics have re****ted ELIMINATION of the
need for child THERAPY through changing the
clinical emphasis from clinical to parental
HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents tem****arily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
A. S. Neill, The Famous Founder of The Summerhill
School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back
In The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They
Wet The Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass And Their
Behaviour Would Stop, - As If By MAGICK!
The Embry Study:
"While some may find it strange that reprimands
might increase the chances of a child going into
the street, the literature on the experimental analysis
of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention
to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of
more inappropriate behavior.
Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason
with their children about da****ng into the street will
likely to have the opposite impact.
Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it."
Source:
"Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to
Preschoolers by Parent Training and Symbolic
Modeling for Children: An Experimental Analysis
in the Natural Environment. Research Re****t
Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."
B.F. Skinner: Re-evaluation of Punishment
Punishment, unfortunately traditionally overused,
actually has been proven not effective at long-
term behavioral change, and creatures will find
other ways of getting what it wants. In "Freedom
and the control of men" American Scholar, Winter
1955-56, 25, 47-65. 1956 he states:
If we no longer resort to torture in what we call
the civilized world, we nevertheless still make
extensive use of punitive techniques in both
domestic and foreign relations. And apparently for
good reasons. Nature if not God has created man
in such a way that he can be controlled punitively.
People quickly become skillful punishers (if not,
thereby, skillful controllers), whereas alternative
positive measures are not easily learned.
The need for punishment seems to have the sup****t
of history, and alternative practices threaten the
cherished values of freedom and dignity.
Fear involved with punishment causes frustration:
with typical results loathing, hostility and apathy.
Skinner's teaching on the superiority of posittive
reinforcement's benefits for keeping desired behavior
have proved very valuable.
----------------------------
> because playtime is useless.
That so? HERE'S HOWE COME:
In the followin SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH STUDY you may
substitute pronged spiked pinch or slip choke collars for shock
and add PUNISHMENT, SCOLDING, CRATING, and offering
and witholding rewards, attention, and affection:
Psychological Effects
At issue is the question, --Do electronic training
devices elicit psychological responses?
"This section cites several research studies in which the
psychological impact of the use of electronic training devices
was analyzed. It is difficult, at best, for anyone to determine
the full psychological effect of these devices or training methods
until we can agree on exactly what constitutes a stress signal in
a domestic dog. Not only do none of the researchers agree on
what it is, but it varies from dog to dog.
It is even more difficult for humans to determine the full effect
of shock on a dog (or any animal) due to the animal's hard-wired
need to hide pain in order to survive in the wild.
Training dogs with the help of the shock collar: Short and long
term behavioral effects. (Schilder, M. & van der Borga, J. (2004).
Applied Animal Behavior Science, 85, 319-334).
The goal of this study was to determine the behavioral changes in
dogs during training using electronic training collars. Thirty-two
dogs were divided into two groups, each receiving both general
obedience and protection training.
One group was trained with shock collars and the other group
without shock collars. The dogs trained with the shock collars
displayed signs of stress: lowering of body posture, high-pitched
yelps, barks and squeals, avoidance, redirected aggression, and
tongue flicking.
It was also noted by the authors that, even during play and relaxed
walking, the group of dogs trained with shock collars continued to
show signs of stress while in the company of their handler.
The authors concluded that shock-collar training is stressful;
receiving shocks is a painful experience to dogs; and the shock
group of dogs evidently learned that the presence of their owner
(or his commands) announced the reception of shocks, even
outside of the normal training context.
They suggest that the welfare of these shocked dogs is at
stake, at least in the presence of their owners.
This study has come under considerable fire because the experience
of the handlers and dogs is not clear, and the level of shock is not
stated. With that said, it does suggest that dogs are stressed by the
experience of being shocked during training.
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> Greta doesn't chase balls or chew on toys. She'll eat milkbones
> and treats, but we have very little playtime. I'm taking her to the
> vet on in two days to get her opinion.
IDIOT.
>> I'm not giving up hope, but it's an aggravating situation.
That so?
> Brian
Well brian, I apologize for BEIN CRUEL to you but you didn't
leave me any choice, JUST LIKE HOWE your dog didn't leave
YOU any CHOICE other than to HURT HER when her BAD
BEHAVIOR SCARED YOU <{}: ~ ( >
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