HOWEDY tommy sorensen aka not so handsome,
not so happy, not so gentle, not so manly, jackass,
not even jack morrison aka joey finnochiarrio aka
howie lip****z aka BIG DADDY aka DOGMAN,
a.k.a. *****MAN, you pathetic miserable stinkin
anonymHOWES malignant maliciHOWES lyin dog
child an spHOWES abusing punk thug coward active
accute chronic life long incurable mental case and
paranoid homophobe, misogynist, puppy miller and
shock collar salesman,
"Sorry for using my anti-spam guise in a previous response!
I forgot to change parameters...yes, I'm "Philo Beddoe," too!)"
Seems you've been doin THAT alot, eh, tommy?
But you AIN'T tommy sorensen, tommy?
"Handsome "Jack" Morrison" <handsomejackmorrison@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
message
news:rp1044p4oemigebk2lss26gnl3roqb58sk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Fri, 30 May 2008 13:51:41 +0100, Phil Odox
> <philodox@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 29 May 2008 19:48:56 GMT, "\(the\)duckster"
<duckster@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>wrote:
>>>"Handsome "Jack" Morrison" <handsomejackmorrison@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I mean, Phil, if you can't pick up your own dog,
>>>> what kind of relation****p is that?
Perhaps Phil's dog will end up hiding from him
underneath his pool cover for a week or so like
HOWE ducky's DEAD DOG done an THEN
he'll let Phil pick IT up <{}: ~ ) >
>>> Unfortunately, you didn't see the pictures of great big Phil
>>> rolling around the garden with this sprite of a dog.
Yeah, so sad... Perhaps tommy will send us his kennel
web page so we can see him an his dogs in trainin??
>>Being "great big" with huge, heavy hands carries certain
>>disadvantages where small pups are concerned, and that's
>>why I have to be particularly careful. Biff only weighs in
>>at 2.9kg.
That's ABSURD.
> I don't know how big you are, but I'm 6'4", about 240,
And he's a lyin dog abusin anonymHOWES coward:
tommy sez:
At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
*not* constitute a "beating."
And then he sez:
"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and ****n. Yep, really lean into it.
Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
make her think twice about ru****ng past you again -
- which is exactly what you want her to do.
Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.
If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.
When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and ****ge her with your knee. Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."
I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training. That is, she just
needs *more* of it."
You mean like HOWE when you HOWEsbreak a dog an
you beat IT with a switch or heavy man's leather belt and
tie him next to his evil deed and return to BEAT HIM every
twenty minutes, tommy?
tommy SEZ:
"My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.
A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.
Okay. Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
really matters. Saving lives and making dogs become
good citizens"
-----------------------
> and have "huge, heavy hands" myself.
tommy's ready to discuss his "TRAINING" methods, eh, tommy?
tommy wrote:
From: dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman) Date: 1997/11/11
Subject: Re: Koehler's Usefulness--A Concluding *****sment
This, from a yellow-bellied coward who has TOTALLY refused
to engage me in debate, preferring mudslinging, hyperbole, distortion,
lies, exaggeration, and to take Koehler completely out of context,
instead.
What lying hypocrites these hand-wringers are!
The most consistent argument among Koehler's defenders is based
on a questionable assumption that such "drastic" measures are
effective in "extreme" cases where other methods fail.
------------------------
And tommy uses them to CHOKE his puppys even in the litterbox.
LIKE THIS:
From: qbt...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman)
Date: 1997/01/24
Subject: Re: Over-Excited Lab
On a cold day in Hell, Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:53:10
Teaching a puppy to stop biting and nipping people is
probably the very easiest thing you will ever do as a dog
trainer. Don't make such a big deal out of it.
It's E-A-S-Y, but it won't be done in just one or
two lessons. You must be C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-T.
And P-A-T-I-E-N-T.
Whenever your puppy bites or nips you (or anyone else
in your family), do any one of the following:
1.) At the same time you say "NO BITE!" in a firm voice,
gently but firmly tap your puppy on its nose with your index
finger.
2.) At the same time you say "NO BITE!" in a firm voice,
gently but firmly grasp your puppy's lower jaw with your
right hand (if you are right handed), your right thumb stuck
down and under her tongue, your other fingers wrapped
under her jaw, and gently but firmly shake her jaw back
and forth a couple of times.
3.) At the same time you say "NO BITE!" in a firm voice,
gently place a couple of fingers into her mouth, trying to
touch the back of her tongue with them, initiating a gag
reflex.
Immediately after doing any one of the above, stop
playing with her for at least 15-20 minutes and completely
IGNORE her. Do not even make eye contact!
I promise you, Phil, that if you will be consistent in
the application of the above, your puppy will soon stop
nipping and biting people. Just how soon this occurs
depends upon the puppy, how well you execute the above,
and how C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-T you are.
And no one should be allowed to play with the puppy
who is not capable of doing any of the above. Not
until she has first learned not to nip and bite people.
"At the very FIRST nip, tap your puppy on his nose with
your index finger, sharply, but not very hard, your face in
his face, and say "NO BITE!" in a firm but not loud voice."
"With your index finger, tap the puppy on her nose firmly,
but not harshly, then, at the very same time, and nose to
nose with her, tell your puppy in a firm but not loud voice,
"NO BITE!"
"At the same time you say "NO BITE!" in a firm voice,
gently but firmly tap your puppy on its nose with your
index finger."
BUT NEVER HIT YOUR DOG~!
From: qbt...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman)
Date: 1997/03/04
Subject: Re: Berzerk dog!!
On a cold day in Hell, Tue, 04 Mar 1997 15:55:45 -0800, wolffe
wol...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>Two weeks ago, I bought a lab mix (part alligator, I think) female
>puppy named Xena. She's approx. 3 months old now and weighs about
>18lbs. The family members in the house are my husband and I, and our
> 2 year old son. There are no other animals besides the puppy.
>I'm having a problem with her wild behavior. I understand that puppies
>mouth and chew things, and we're in the process of teaching her not to.
> She understands the "leave it" command, but we're still working on the
>"no bite" one. The real problem is that every time she's out of her
>crate, she inevitably starts attacking either my husband or I after just
>a short time of playing. She charges at us, actually snarls, and then
>tries to bite.
This is TYPICAL puppy play behavior. There's a good chance that this
puppy has never received ANY socialization or training until YOU came
along, eh? Well, you've got some catching up to do here.
>The only way to stop her is to knock her sideways to
>protect ourselves, and then roll her on her back. This is not the sort
>of thing I had in mind when I got the puppy, and it's upsetting to me.
>No amount of yelling makes her stop,
That's because the puppy has no idea what you are yelling about, so
stop the yelling, eh? There is NEVER a good reason to YELL at a
puppy. N-E-V-E-R.
>and she starts charging around the
>house and continues attacking until I put her back in her crate.
But you really haven't CORRECTED her for her any unacceptable
behavior, have you? Do you really think that she knows she's being
put in her crate because she's biting you? I really, really hope not.
Moreover, your puppy should NEVER be banished to her dog crate as
PUNISHMENT. Crates should always be GOOD places to go to, for safe
haven, for sleep, for eating, for traveling, etc., but NEVER for
punishment.
> I'm in the process of teaching her the "down" command, but
> I don't feel this is going to work.
Yes, it will "work," It will teach her "down."
But it won't teach her that BITING and NIPPING humans
is UNACCEPTABLE behavior, will it?
>She does this completely unprovoked, such as when she's
>chewing on her toys. She'll suddenly jump up and go nuts.
Most experienced dog owners would call this NORMAL PUPPY PLAY.
> She was at the vet's 2 weeks ago and he gave her a clean bill of health.
> Also, we don't play tug-o-war or anything rough with her. We're very
>gentle so she isn't nippy when she's older.
OIC...you're very "gentle" but your puppy is very ROUGH, eh? This
does not bode well for either you or your dog's future. You are well
on your way to becoming the OMEGA, not the alpha. And the puppy is
well on her way to becoming the ALPHA.
You should watch *****es correct their puppies for their UNACCEPTABLE
behaviors. Maybe then you wouldn't be so "gentle."
Applying the APPROPRIATE force now, when your puppy is still a puppy,
will normally preclude you from ever needing to use, maybe, some REAL
force when she grows up to become an OUTLAW.
>Is this normal?
YES!
> Her tearing around doesn't bother me, but this periodic
>aggression makes me worry for our son.
This behavior really isn't aggression in the truest sense, it's just
PLAY FIGHTING. And you must teach your puppy that it's not okay to
BITE humans when they play with them. That is, to PLAY is GOOD. To
BITE is BAD! BAD! BAD! Heh-heh-heh.
>Of course I don't leave them alone together, but she runs alot
> faster than I do if she suddenly decided to go after him (I keep
> her on the lead in the house). I do obedience training with her,
> although that seems to make her wild also and she doesn't have
> a very good attention span. She's already signed up for puppy
> kindergarten, but it doesn't start for another month and a half.
My friend, this is a 12 WEEK OLD PUPPY! It's not the National Field
Trial Champion! Of course she has a short attention span! Doesn't
your two year old BABY have a similarly short attention span? Or are
you already reading the complete works of Shakespeare to him?
ALL PUPPIES (and all babies) have short attention spans. That's why
you MUST keep any puppy "training" sessions SHORT and FUN.
>Can this be corrected or is it something some puppies just do? I've had
>many dogs before, but have never seen this sort of behavior.
But have you ever had a 12 WEEK OLD PUPPY before? If you
had, you would know this as perfectly NORMAL puppy behavior.
And have you ever had a 12 WEEK OLD PUPPY at the very same time you
had a TWO YEAR OLD BABY before? These are RIPE conditions for the
beginning of a life-long dependence on George Dickel, the finest sour
mash whisky under the sun! And I speak from experience! Heh-heh-heh.
Try having several LITTERS at the same time you have several BABIES
....geeeez.
> Should I find her another home (don't worry, no ASPCA!) and get a
> dog with a calmer temperment? I'd really like to enjoy a pet rather
>than having it attack me!
Geeez. You're ready to GIVE UP on a 12 WEEK OLD PUPPY? Unbelievable.
Pay attention now, and start doing EXACTLY what I tell you to do:
1.) Don't let your little boy play with the puppy until after YOU and
your spouse have corrected this biting behavior.
2.) The very next time you are "playing" with your puppy and she
STARTS to bite or nip you, do any one of the following things
(whichever turns out to be easiest for you or your spouse to do):
a.) With your index finger, tap the puppy on her nose firmly, but not
harshly, then, at the very same time, and nose to nose with her, tell
your puppy in a firm but not loud voice, "NO BITE!" Then STOP
playing, get up, and completely IGNORE your puppy for 15-20 minutes.
Do NOT even look at her!
b.) Grab your puppy's muzzle with your right hand, placing your right
thumb down and under her tongue, your remaining fingers wrapped down
and under her muzzle, and shake her head firmly, but GENTLY, 2-3
times, left and right, then, at the very same time, and nose to nose
with her, tell your puppy "NO BITE!" Then STOP playing, get up, and
completely IGNORE your puppy for 15-20 minutes. Do NOT even look at
her!
c.) Grab under your puppy's muzzle with your left hand, place your
right hand's index finger into her mouth and place it on the rear of
her tongue, causing your puppy to GAG (if she doesn't GAG, you haven't
done it correctly), then, at the very same time, and nose to nose
with her, tell your puppy "NO BITE!" Then STOP playing, get up, and
completely IGNORE your puppy for 15-20 minutes. Do NOT even look at
her!
Yes, there are many other ways to do this, but THESE WAYS WORK,
and I guarantee them unconditionally, if you will just be CONSISTENT
in their application. That means that EACH and EVERY time your puppy
even thinks about biting or nipping you or your husband, you MUST do
the above.
In just a FEW DAYS your puppy will start to get the message that BAD
things happen to it whenever it BITES a HUMAN. No, she won't be
trained in the "down" command, but she WILL stop biting you.
Especially if you give her other things to bite, like her toys, etc.
So, GOOD LUCK to you, and please come back and tell us what happened,
eh? Like I promised, if this work, I'll give you all your money back.
Heh-heh-heh.
PS: And go buy this book: The Art of Raising a Puppy, by The Monks
of New Skete ( Little Brown). Read it and keep it on your bookshelf
next to your Dr. Suess.
--
Dogman
qbt...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
address rot13 encoded to foil advertising spam
Joey "Dogs" Vaffanculo Contract Locating and Communication Company
http://www.i1.net/~dogman
tommy sez: "Swatting a dog on the nose is always the wrong thing to do."
RIGHT. You gotta HANG the dog or use a heavy
man's leather belt or hickory switch:
Oh, INDEEDY~! Most of your newfHOWEND fellHOWE
dog lover pals here are devHOWET koehler trainers:
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962).
New York:Howell Book BookHouse(p. 52-53).
"Hanging"
First, the trainer makes certain that the collar and leash are
more than adequate for any jerk or strain that the dog's most
frantic actions could cause.
Then he starts to work the dog deliberately and fairly
to the point where the dog makes his grab. Before the
teeth have reached their target, the dog, weight permitting,
is jerked from the ground.
As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems
the dog is suspended in mid-air.However, to let the biting
dog recover his footing while he still had the strength to
renew the attack would be cruelty.
The only justifiable course is to hold him suspended until
he has neither the strength nor inclination to renew the fight.
When finally it is obvious that he is physically incapable
of expressing his resentment and is lowered to the ground,
he will probably stagger loop-legged for a few steps, vomit
once or twice, and roll over on his side.
The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you
THE REAL "HOOD"
"If your dog is a real "hood" who would
regard the foregoing types of protest as
"kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.
"Professional trainers often get these
extreme problems. Nearly always the
"protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the
seeds of rebellion and then cultivated
the resultant growth with under correction.
When these people reap their inevitable
and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
trainer" whose advice they may have
once rejected because it was incompatible
with the sugary droolings of mealy-mouthed
columnists, breed-ring biddies, and dog
psychologists who, by the broken skins and
broken hearts their misinformation causes,
can be proven guilty of the greatest act of
cruelty to animals since the dawn of time.
"With more genuine compassion for the biting dog than would
ever be demonstrated by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard for his safety, the
professional trainer morally feels obligated to perform a "major
operation."
"Since we are presently concerned with the dog that bites
in resentment of the demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later chapter we will deal
with the with the much easier problem of the dog that bites
someone other than his master."
--------------------------
Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking Backslider.
"If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these
"backsliders" will think they're winning and will
continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression
can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard
spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by
the mess he's made so you can come back at twenty
minute intervals and punish him again for the same
thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.)
In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment. It will be better for your dog,
as well as the house, if you really pour it on him."
"Housebreaking Problems:
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training"
Howell Book House, 1996"
Occasionally, there is a pup who seems determined to
relieve himself inside the house, regardless of how
often he has the op****tunity to go outside. This dog
may require punishment. Make certain he is equipped
with a collar and piece of line so he can't avoid
correction.
When you discover a mess, move in fast, take him to
the place of his error, and hold his head close enough
so that he associates his error with the punishment.
Punish him by spanking him with a light strap or
switch. Either one is better than a folded newspaper.
It is im****tant to your future relation****p that you
do not rush at him and start swinging before you get
hold of him.
When he's been spanked, take him outside. Chances
are, if you are careful in your feeding and close
observation, you will not have to do much puni****ng.
Be consistent in your handling.
To have a pup almost house-broken and then force
him to commit an error by not providing an op****tunity
to go outside is very unfair. Careful planning will
make your job easier.
The same general techniques of housebreaking apply
to grown dogs that are inexperienced in the house.
For the grown dog who was reliable in the house and
then backslides, the method of correction differs
somewhat. In this group of "backsliders" we have the
"revenge piddler." This dog protests being alone by
messing on the floor and often in the middle of a bed.
The first step of correction is to confine the dog
closely in a part of the house when you go away, so
that he is constantly reminded of his obligation. The
fact that he once was reliable in the house is proof
that the dog knows right from wrong, and it leaves
you no other course than to punish him sufficiently
to convince him that the satisfaction of his
wrongdoing is not worth the consequences. If the
punishment is not severe enough, some of these
"backsliders" will think they're winning and will
continue to mess in the house.
An indelible impression can sometimes be made
by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration,
then leaving him tied by the mess he's made so you
can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish
him again for the same thing.
In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment.
It will be better for your dog, as well as the house,
if you really pour it on him."
SEE?
From: dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman)
Date: 1999/01/15
Subject: Re: Another mouthy lab
Get this book:
"The Art of Raising A Puppy," by the Monks of New Skete
If you can't find it locally, you can obtain it
through my Web site (see below).
You'll need it for more than just the usual puppy
"mouthing" problems, anyway.
And good luck with your Lab puppy!
--
Dogman
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From: osi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Michael Erskine)
Date: 12 Aug 2004 10:09:05 -0700
Subject: My GSD bit me.
The question:
I have a four year old male GSD. He growls
at me sometimes. When he growls at me he
stares me in the face and lays his ears back.
The New Skete books say that the dog should not be
allowed to do that. They suggest shaking down the
dog by grabing the dog on the sides of his neck and
picking him off his front feet, then giving the dog the
same sort of treatment the dog would give another if
it were challenging him.
Namely getting in the dogs face and letting
the dog know you are the alpha dog.
Well, my dog bit me clearly he felt that I was not
convincing enough or he bit me out of fear.
Anyone got ideas on what to do with this dog that might
help him to decide that he wants to follow and that he
has nothing to fear from me?
----------------------
From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:21:14 GMT
Subject: Re: My GSD bit me.
You need to improve your acting skills. Get a werewolf
suit with blood-drenched fangs and claw gloves and THEN
go after your dog.
Knock the **** out of him and don't be afraid to crack
some ribs. Then yank the mask off and shout "SURPRISE!
IT'S ME!" I guarantee you and your dog will have a new
relation****p based on mutual respect.
Keep in mind that the monks of New Skete
were pre-Lon-Chaney.
Charlie
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> I also breed and raise and train Labs (and a few CBRs),
Yeah, but you won't tell us your kennel name is sorensen's
Retrievers and SHOCK COLLAR SALES and your address
and phone #'s are:
From: A Real American <u...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2000/10/11
Subject: Re: Walking with Prong Collar
In case anyone was wondering who the anonymous poster
known as Dogman actually is, it is
Tom Sorenson of
Sorenson Kennels
(314) 828-5149
1073 Hwy DD
Defiance, MO
63341-1707
If you are offended by the language and the nastiness, please drop
him and his wife Kay a note or give them a call. You may also use
the ab...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
route.
I will be reposting this information whenever I feel like it.
Uncle Sam
--------------------
As a matter of FACT we DID speak on the phone,
didn't we, tommy <{}: ~ ) >
Newsgroups: comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows
From: Tom Sorensen <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2000/07/21
Subject: Help! Installed 4.3.2 over 4.2 and lost Personalities,
Signatures, Mailboxes, etc.
I recently installed 4.3.2 over 4.2 and in the process, I have somehow
lost my access to Personalities, Signatures, Mailboxes, etc.
Well, initially when I hit the Personalities button(after installing
the new version), a box appeared on the left, where it's supposed to
appear, but nothing was there! No Personalities, no nothing.
Same thing for Mailboxes, etc. I tried dragging the divider to the
left (as I thought the Help file instructed), but now I've apparently
drug it so far left that I can't get it to drag to the right again.
That is, I can't get it to open up again.
Now I can't use the Personalities, Mailbox, and Signature buttons
at all, making it very difficult for me to send messages.
I manage several busy mail lists and need HELP ASAP!
Thanks in advance for any help you care to offer me.
Tom Sorensen
j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dogman
mailto:dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"Dogman" <dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:dr60ts4q1kk0r5h0a7pocmngr2hbi78ggd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
And since I have repeatedly *denied* being either Tommy
Sorensen, Tommy Sorenson, Joe Finocchiaro, Joey
Finocchare, Joe Finocchiro, and a host of other people that
*you* have accused me of being, just who the hell do you
suppose would end up getting sued, you stupid little
dweeb?
Me? Or you?
> Because I've discreditied YOU.
Where exactly did you do that, little man?
Where????????
BWAHAHAHAHA!
Maybe inside that demented little brain of yours, but nowhere else.
And until you're prepared to walk the walk and not just talk the talk,
"everyone" here will know you for what you really are.
A two-bit P-H-O-N-Y.
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
dogman @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Joe Finocchiaro)
Date: 1996/12/04
Subject: Re: I AM JOINING P.E.T.A.
From: dogman @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Joe Finocchiaro)
Date: 1996/12/02
Subject: Re: Sup****t for first-time puppy owners
From: dogman @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman)
Date: 1999/02/11
Subject: Re: *****man
Upon my return to the Cuckoo's Nest,
Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:46:51 GMT, incognit...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
says:
[...]
>> Hey Joey!!!!! Marshall has tracked you down to your den!!!
>> This is, what, the 5th time?
No, I make it the sixth, but then I'm not counting.
And it's still the wrong den, wrong wolf.
But who cares?
He's a freakin' professor, eh?
He's the very reason that S.A.T. scores have to
be "adjusted" every freakin' year.
>> Robert
> Hypothetical question for Robert Crim and Joe Finocchiaro.
> As the newsgroups self described tough guys (to your enemies)
> and nice guys (to the innocent), how would you respond to a
> posting of your complete addresses and phone numbers?
What kind of question is that???????
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.
They get weirder and weirder here by the day...
Hey, schmuckface, either say something about DOGS, or GO AWAY, eh?
> Would you welcome any challenge, or protect the innocent, by
> acknowledging the accuracy of the posted information? That
> information, in fact, is readily available from a simple DejaNews
> and Yahoo search.
> Would you "walk the talk
Yo!
Stick it in your ear, eh?
And then keep sticking it in there until you come to your freakin'
senses.
Geeeeeeeeez.
--
Dogman
dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
dogman @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman)
Date: 1999/03/21
Subject: Re: Question for Dogman (part of early spay/neuter)
Upon my return to the Cuckoo's Nest,
Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:41:26 GMT,
Jerry Howe <jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> says:
[...]
> Dogdirtforbrains real name is Joe Finocchiaro.
> You should be able to look him up.
You go right ahead and keep thinking that, Howe.
It only shows me that not only do you know absolutely nothing
about dogs, you don't appear to know anything about the Internet,
either.
But that's no surprise.
Dumb is as dumb does.
There's dumb, dumber, dumbest, and then there's you.
> Start your inquiry into abuse complaints with animal control.
> The should have a file on him.
Yeah, right.
Howe, isn't it about time that you took your wagon full of s**** oil
and headed on down the road to find a new bunch of suckers?
Everyone here already knows that you're a huckster, eh?
Or do you just enjoy WASTING YOUR TIME?
You must be related to that dumb little schmuck who
tried to sell frozen fish patties to the Inuit, eh?
Go away, Howe.
Or at least get some professional help, eh?
I'm starting to worry about you, guy.
--
Dogman
dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
's *New* Web Site
http://www.i1.net/~dogman
Dogman's Book Recommendations
http://www.i1.net/~dogman/books.htm
Jerry "The Shyster" Howe's REAL Web Site
http://www.i1.net/~dogman/scam.htm
"The Wits' End Dog Training Method manual states
right up front that it will not make sense to you."
Jerry "The Shyster" Howe
----------------------------------
From: A Real American <u...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2000/10/12
Subject: Re: Walking with Prong Collar
Interesting try, but you did not answer the QUESTIONS!!!
I'll repeat them:
If you are not Tom Sorenson, why did you post under HIS name?
Why do you pretend to have HIS experience and qualifications?
If you are not Joe Finocchiaro, why did you post under HIS name?
Why do you pretend to have HIS interest in AIDS alternatives?
Do the real people know what you are up to?
Who will you pretend to be next week?
Uncle Sam
---------------------------
From: A Real American <u...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2000/10/13
Subject: Re: Walking with Prong Collar
On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:03:43 -0500, Roscoe Pignitoiwski
<dogman @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>*I* have never posted under Tom Sorensen.
You posted to rpdb as "Tom Sorensen" <jmf @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> with the Dogman
tag line: Message-ID: qiltqs0qpbjn5d5cm81k9eoakqm7377...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
you reposted the same message as "Dogman"
<dogman @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> with the same tag line:
Message-ID:<k0mtqssc0hu5j6jhqemnkogg5s8d96a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Or Tom Sorenson. Or Tommy
> Sorensen. Or Tommy Sorenson.
You posted to "comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows" as "Tom Sorensen"
<jmf @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> with the Dogman tag line:
Message-ID: ic4inski2ku2s42iimu5or96ae22r5o...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
you reposted the same message as "Tom Sorensen"
<jmf @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> without the Dogman tag line:
Message-ID: <ct4inscqkb54krgq9f64r5r9vbr9oah...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Or Joe Finocchiaro. Or Joe Finocharo.
Howe about these older email addys and names of yours?
joefin2 @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Joe Finocchiaro
retrievers @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Joe Finocchiaro
qbtzna @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bob Maida who "Joey" is? He will say that it is Dogman.
Now, you might be asking yourself...so what? Now ask yourself, why
would a nationally recognized breeder hide behind so many aliases?
The answer is complex in origin, but simple to explain. He likes to
be foul and filthy, but that wouldn't be nice in the circles he likes
to travel in. Look up the old posts to find out just howe filthy he
can be.
OR, he may be like the American U. president that used to make
obscene phone calls to young women to get his jollys off. I kind
of think this may be the correct explanation.
Either way, he is dirt under your feet.
Let's see howe many blind alleys he can
run you retards up and down now.
Uncle Sam
----------------------------
From: Roscoe Pignitoiwski <dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2000/10/12
Subject: Re: Walking with Prong Collar
A Real American <u...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:45:53 -0500, Dogman <dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>Just a few weeks ago, Howe sent me a copy of an email from
>> one of his little weasel friends (I really hope it's not you, Parker),
>> claiming to know who I was, etc. I told him then that he was
>> totally mistaken, and now I'm telling everyone here -- for the
>> umpteenth time, I am *not* Tommy Sorenson.
>
>If you are not Tom Sorenson, why did you post under HIS name?
Damn it, but you're stupid.
*I* have never posted under Tom Sorensen. Or Tom Sorenson.
Or Tommy Sorensen. Or Tommy Sorenson. Or Joe Finocchiaro.
Or Joe Finocharo. Or Joe Gitchygooma, or for that matter.
Maybe someone else did, but *I* didn't.
>Why do you pretend to have HIS experience and qualifications?
I don't "pretend" to have anyone's experience but *my* own,
experience which is shared by hundreds of other trainers, etc.
>If you are not Joe Finocchiaro, why did you post under HIS name?
Maybe someone else did that? But *I* never have.
This stuff is much too difficult for you, isn't it?
>Why do you pretend to have HIS interest in AIDS alternatives?
I don't "pretend" to have anyone's interest in AIDS alternatives
(whatever the hell that means) than *my* own.
And *my* own interest in AIDS is shared by thousands of others.
E.g., here's just a few of them:
http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/group.htm
>Do the real people know what you are up to?
I don't even know if there are any "real" people involved here.
Nor do you.
>Who will you pretend to be next week?
I never "pretend" to be anyone but *Dogman.*
>You really are a *****man.
There's a very good way for you to find out.
Contact me via e-mail, and we can arrange
for you to find out exactly who I am.
Up close and personal.
I guarantee it.
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pignitoiwski
RR 1, Highway DD
St. Charles, MO
-----------------------
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
From: jfm @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Joe Finocchiaro)
Date: 1998/02/17
Subject: Re: Another FP publi****ng problem...
On a cold day in Hell, Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:48:26 -0800,
"M.F. Rogers"<mrog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
Mark, thanks for the quick response. I have, indeed, talked at
length with my provider about this. Even during the precise times
that I'm actually trying to publish.
We've discussed the coordination of using the same user ID and
password, but that doesn't appear to be the problem. That is, I'm
using the correct ones, the same ones that have supposedly been
"permisssioned" by my provider.
Still, no luck. I don't think they know how to authorize permissions
correctly, but I don't know enough about it to discuss it in depth
with them.
I don't really know what to do next. I love the software, but I
can't use it to publish anything....geeeeeeeez.
Maybe FP 98 shouldn't be this hard for providers to administer
properly, eh?
(Sorry for using my anti-spam guise in a previous response! I forgot
to change parameters...yes, I'm "Philo Beddoe," too!)
> Hi Joe,
> Ask the ISP what user name & password you are supposed
> to use for your FP web. On occasion they use a name that's
> different from your normal login name.
> Mark Rogers
> SiteCrafters Internet Services Sacramento, California
> http://www.SiteCrafters.com
> http://www.SiteCrafters.com/sup****t/fp98
>Joe Finocchiaro wrote in message <34E92C17.149CD...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
>> I'm a newbie to FP 98. I love it for design, but publi****ng appears
>> to be another matter altogether.
>>Problem:
>> When attempting to publish, I always get the following error message:
>> "This operation requires author permission from <root web>"
>> I've done everything the manual says, I think, and my provider
>> assures me that the FP 98 extensions have been installed. I
>> suspect my provider hasn't inacted the correct "permissions,"
>> but I wonder if I'm doing anything wrong, too???????
>> How do I find out for sure?
>> Any help would be appreciated. I've been working on
>> this problem for three days already!
>> Help!
>>Joe Finocchiaro
>>j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
----------------------------
BWEEEAAAAHAAAAHAAAA~!~!~!
> and have always considered my huge, heavy hands to be an
> advantage when handling even teeny tiny retriever puppies,
> that weigh but a few ounces when they're born.
Yeah. LIKE THIS:
tommy *(who AIN'T tommy sorensen) sez:
"IMO, the *fastest* way to curb a mouthy puppy's
desire to bite hands (especially if other methods
have failed, because you don't want this habit to
become reinforced by too much success), etc., is
to take advantage of the pup's gag reflex:
Slowly reach over and around the pup's shoulder
(while you're sitting on the floor), coming up to
the pup's mouth from underneath it with your
right hand (that way he can't see your finger or
your hand), and stick your index finger into the
pup's mouth, at the very rear, then down the
pup's throat, and gently place some downward
pressure on the back of the tongue, until he starts
to gag. Use your left arm to hold him close to you,
while you're doing this.
Trust me, it's easier to demonstrate this technique
than to explain it, but it's fail-proof.
He'll quickly put 2 and 2 together. Biting hands = gag.
--
Handsome Jack Morrison
-------------------
Yeah. If you ever done that in front of me I'd kick the
BULL**** HOWETA you an boil what's left of your
lyin a$$ 240#'s of lard into soap, tommy <{}: ~ ( >
> I've done this for about 50 years now, and at no time have I ever
> created a hand-shy dog. And they're handled almost constantly
> from the moment they're born. I'm not exactly Mikhail Baryshnikov,
Ain't he a SISSY, tommy?
> but I'm not a klutz either.
You're a lyin dog murderin anonymHOWES
coward, REMEMBER, tommy?
> Of course you have to be careful, but you're
> making a mountain out of a molehill.
Phil's got a EMOTIONAL PROBLEM from bein abused
as a child, like yourself, tommy <{}: ~ ( >
> Actually, I agree with Melinda (and that happens only once every
> twelve to thirteen years). I think you're just a smart-ass, which is
> okay, but I really hate wasting my time. You don't really want
> advice. You enjoy the sound of your own voice too much for that.
Yeah. But even Phil realizes malinda is a LIAR and DOG
ABUSIN MENTAL CASE, like yourself, tommy <{}: ~ ) >
> So, again, good luck with your puppy.
Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK, tommy. "LUCK is for SUCKERS. NEVER
make a SUCKER'S bet," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{}; ~ ) >
> You just might need it.
You mean, like HOWE your "students" laura arlov and her DEAD
DOG Chewie and Rober Crim and his DEAD DOG Fritz and k.w.
brown and her DEAD DOG Teena and purple pony and her DEAD
DOG Raggdoll and steve walker and his DEAD DOG Sampson
NEEDED GOOD LUCK after TRYIN YOUR ADVICE an
MURDERIN THEIR DEAD DOGS, tommy??
"Handsome Jack Morrison" <handsomejackmorri...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
message news:3o62v31r4opp466fkj5dne173m86jhtt19@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:58:01 -0400, judyaltho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Judith
> Althouse) wrote:
> [...]
>>May I suggest replacing the word harness with the word muzzle
Strap-on would be more apupriate, wouldn't you agree, judith?
>> and the mental image is not disturbing at all.
Frankly, ANY posts from you pathetic miserable stinkin
life long incurable animal murderin manic depressives IS
*disturbing* to ALL decent human beings.
Oh, bye the bye, tommy, it's NICE to see your obsessive
compulsive sighing and spittin have diminished somewhat.
GOOD FOR YOU, tommy~! Must be that cognitive therapy
and anti-psychotic medications you been takin, an probably
layin off the Booker's was a contributory factor <{}: ~ ) >
> Dear Madam Mao, trying to muzzle me will get people
> the same results that trying to harness me will get them:
You just gotta know HOWE to do it, tommy:
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x272/TheIncrediblySimplyAmazingPup...
SEE?
> injured.
Well then, tommy, blame it on handler error. Care to try the strap-on?
> Badly injured.
Yeah, that could EZily happen usin a strap-on incorrectly.
You gotta use plenty of SPIT <{}: ~ ) >
> But isn't it interesting how it's always you lefties
You might wanna blame the weather, tommy.
> <spit>
Ooops~! I guess I spoke too soon, eh, tommy? You
been takin beer with your anti-psychotic meds??
> who want to the muzzling?
I'll be happy to give it a shot, tommy. Let's start
with YOUR CHALLENGE to TALK BUSINESS?:
tommy wrote:
From: dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman) Date: 1997/11/11
Subject: Re: Koehler's Usefulness--A Concluding *****sment
"This, from a yellow-bellied coward who has TOTALLY refused
to engage me in debate, preferring mudslinging, hyperbole, distortion,
lies, exaggeration, and to take Koehler completely out of context,
instead.
What lying hypocrites these hand-wringers are!
------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
HOWE COME tommy sorenson WON'T TALK BUSINESS?
Ooops~! PROBLEMO, tommy. HOWE COME would you
set your INFORMATIVE posts to EXXXPIRE, tommy? Are
you EMBARRASSED by your own words, you lyin animal
abusin punk thug coward mental case fraud an SCAM ARTIST?
matty aka Rocky EXXXPLAINS HOWE COME:
"Rocky" <2d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no
archive, and it's a shame. Once in a while, while
looking for something else, I'll run into an old post
of mine. What an idiotic response! Whoops.
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!
> --
> Handsome "Jack" Morrison
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
HOWE COME do you post anonymHOWESLY, tommy, LIKE
THIS LYIN DOG ABUSIN COWARD MENTAL CASE:
From: Mark Shaw <ms...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 19:38:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: usenet anonymity
Some people freak out over pseudonyms. I don't know why.
I use a fake name on another newsgroup. Why? Without getting
into too many details, it's to avoid possible hard feelings should
what I post there be revealed to certain friends or coworkers in
real life.
But the name I'm known by there is real, and it's legitimately mine
in a sense - it's the name of the imaginary friend I had when I was
three or four years old. And I don't change it around; nor is it
intended to defraud or otherwise harm anybody.
So: meh.
--
Mark Shaw (And Baron)
-----------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
HOWE COME tommy sorenson WON'T TALK BUSINESS?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Let's DEBATE your OBEDIENCE TRAININ, eh, tommy?
HOWEDY tommy sorenson aka not so handsome,
not so happy, not so gentle, not so manly, jackass,
not even morrison aka joey finnochiarrio aka howie
lip****z aka BIG DADDY aka DOGMAN you pathetic
miserable stinkin anonymHOWES malignant lyin dog
child an spHOWES abusing punk thug coward active
accute chronic life long incurable mental case and
paranoid homophobe, misogynist, puppy miller and
shock collar salesman,
"Handsome Jack Morrison" <handsomejackmorri...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
message news:vs94h3t17bvshkag3hifdmmglr32vrodm8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:18:20 GMT, Paula <mmmtobler...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:37:56 -0400, Handsome Jack Morrison
>><handsomejackmorri...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>TD, I take great pride in my insults,
INDEEDY. tommy an his pals are a insult to every living being.
>>> and that's one of my better ones. I had to work on it for,
>>> oh, several hours, before I came up with that one. The
>>> hairy-legged harpy one
That so, tommy? No you didn't. You PLAGIARIZED it:
From: dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman)
Date: 1997/11/07
Subject: Re: what is a harpy?
On a cold day in Hell, Thu, 06 Nov 1997 21:59:06 GMT,
sjpo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Sandra Pover) wrote:
>On Thu, 06 Nov 1997 18:51:17 GMT, dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman) wrote:
>> It's intended to be insulting. But very apropos of Dogpsych,
>> Joyce -- and you. There's an old saying amongst hot-rodders,
>> "If it don't go ... chrome it." May I paraphrase, "If you can't
>> beat 'em, insult 'em."
Again, for some inexplicable reason, Sandra, you STILL refuse to
recognize the FACT that you're ****ing sister, Joyce, is the one who
STARTED these insults.
Apparently you think that we (or more precisely, me) should simply
roll over, expose our bellies, and ignore them. Yeah, right. As
soon as Sadaam Hussein is seen praying in a Jewish synagogue.
I promise.
Sup****ting a friend is one thing, but being totally BLIND to their
own ugly behavior reeks of IGNORANCE and HYPOCRISY.
>As it stands however, only the people I like and admire can insult me.
Well, as it stands for me, Harpy Queen, I can insult
and ridicule anyone I want to insult and ridicule.
And without exception, I insult and ridicule ONLY
those people who insult and ridicule me FIRST.
Join the crowd.
>>> directed particularly towards women generally with
>>> overtones of unreasoning aggression, filth and ugliness.
>>As Robert would say: If the shoe fits, wear it. Especially that
>>"unreasoning aggression" shoe. Geeeez.
>
> Well, being meticulously clean and drop-dead gorgeous, I guess it just
> _has_ to be that pesky old aggression thing. That's OK though, Joe,
> lots of men can't hack aggressive women.
I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE aggressive WOMEN!
But I DESPISE hysterical hand-wringing harpy HYPOCRITES
whether they're aggressive or not.
Now sounding almost as stupid as Joyce apparently is, you
don't seem capable of understanding the DIFFERENCE.
> I just never expected _you_ to be quite so, uhm, up-front
> about this kind of, well, not to put too fine a point on it,
> personal character deficiency.
I have a LOT of "personal character deficiencies," but
misogyny isn't one of them, as you're inferring above.
Perhaps you're just used to henpecked Alan Alda-type men
who take this kind of crap from you without a whimper?
You need to learn how to accept criticism without always resorting to
the "***ist" or "victim" defense. If you want respect from any men
at all, that is.
Paraphrasing a wise man's words: If you can't
stand the heat, stay out of the ****ing kitchen.
> I commend your honesty, maybe now you can
> work on your self-confidence problems.
Yeah, right. My lack of "self-confidence" is so apparent here that
I've huddled in the corner in fear of all your harpy cheap shots,
insults, ridicule, etc. Now try to get anyone but your harpy sisters
to believe that.
But that's just the kind of stupid response that continues to make
your side look so UTTERLY VAPID.
>>>Read a bit of Greek mythology to learn more about harpies.
>>>They weren't ever the heros of the story.
>>[...]
>>And for good reason.
> In closing, I would like to take this op****tunity to commend
> you on your progress regarding anger management.
I don't need or want any commendations from hysterical hand-
wringing harpy hypocrites. Yes, I get angry about things.
But I don't keep my anger bottled up inside. I allow it to leak out
so that it never ac***ulates. It's the one's who keep their anger
inside them who you need to be worried about.
I'll keep working on my anger if you start to work on your
ability to be fair, rational, and not so ****ing hypocritical.
>You're getting much better.
> An entire post with not one f*** or c*** or even a lowly s***.
It's too bad you're so hypocritical that you don't notice all the
times that Joyce has used that very word. Funny, I didn't see you
whining about it then? But then, I'm no harpy sister, eh?
> Goooood boy, Joey. <PAT>
> <<Harpies>> are <<Sharpies>>
Go pat your ****ing husband, if you're smart. But keep
patting me at the risk of losing your ****ing arm. Your choice.
__
Dogman
dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--------------------------
>>So you're finally admitting you're Dogman now?
Naaaah. OtherWIZE he wouldn't be a anonymHOWES coward <{}: ~ ) >
> Does it say Dogman at the end of my posts?
Hasn't said that for years, eh, tommy??
> No?
> Then I'm not Dogman.
Well, yeah, you are, tommy <{}: ~ ) >
> I assume that you're Paula, right?
No, she's vagabond mom, REMEMBER, tommy?
> Or are you Dogman?
> And if you are Dogman, please stop putting the
> word "Paula" at the end of your posts.
> It's very confusing.
You mean it's very CONfHOWENDING, eh, tommy?
Well then, tommy, let's just UNCONfHOWEND it for you?
From: A Real American <u...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2000/10/11
Subject: Re: Walking with Prong Collar
In case anyone was wondering who the anonymous poster
known as Dogman actually is, it is
Tom Sorenson of
Sorenson Kennels
(314) 828-5149
1073 Hwy DD
Defiance, MO
63341-1707
If you are offended by the language and the nastiness, please drop
him and his wife Kay a note or give them a call. You may also use
the ab...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
route.
I will be reposting this information whenever I feel like it.
Uncle Sam
--------------------
Newsgroups: comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows
From: Tom Sorensen <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2000/07/21
Subject: Help! Installed 4.3.2 over 4.2 and lost Personalities,
Signatures, Mailboxes, etc.
I recently installed 4.3.2 over 4.2 and in the process, I have
somehow lost my access to Personalities, Signatures, Mailboxes, etc.
Well, initially when I hit the Personalities button(after installing
the new version), a box appeared on the left, where it's supposed to
appear, but nothing was there! No Personalities, no nothing.
Same thing for Mailboxes, etc. I tried dragging the divider to the
left (as I thought the Help file instructed), but now I've apparently
drug it so far left that I can't get it to drag to the right again.
That is, I can't get it to open up again.
Now I can't use the Personalities, Mailbox, and Signature buttons
at all, making it very difficult for me to send messages.
I manage several busy mail lists and need HELP ASAP!
Thanks in advance for any help you care to offer me.
Tom Sorensen
j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dogman
mailto:dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-----------------------
From: dogman @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman)
Date: 1999/03/21
Subject: Re: Question for Dogman (part of early spay/neuter)
Upon my return to the Cuckoo's Nest,
Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:41:26 GMT,
Jerry Howe <jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> says:
[...]
> Dogdirtforbrains real name is Joe Finocchiaro.
> You should be able to look him up.
You go right ahead and keep thinking that, Howe.
It only shows me that not only do you know absolutely nothing
about dogs, you don't appear to know anything about the Internet,
either.
But that's no surprise.
Dumb is as dumb does.
There's dumb, dumber, dumbest, and then there's you.
> Start your inquiry into abuse complaints with animal control.
> The should have a file on him.
Yeah, right.
Howe, isn't it about time that you took your wagon full of s**** oil
and headed on down the road to find a new bunch of suckers?
Everyone here already knows that you're a huckster, eh?
Or do you just enjoy WASTING YOUR TIME?
You must be related to that dumb little schmuck who
tried to sell frozen fish patties to the Inuit, eh?
Go away, Howe.
Or at least get some professional help, eh?
I'm starting to worry about you, guy.
--
Dogman
dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
's *New* Web Site
http://www.i1.net/~dogman
Dogman's Book Recommendations
http://www.i1.net/~dogman/books.htm
Jerry "The Shyster" Howe's REAL Web Site
http://www.i1.net/~dogman/scam.htm
"The Wits' End Dog Training Method manual states
right up front that it will not make sense to
you."
Jerry "The Shyster" Howe
----------------------------------
From: A Real American <u...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2000/10/12
Subject: Re: Walking with Prong Collar
Interesting try, but you did not answer the QUESTIONS!!!
I'll repeat them:
If you are not Tom Sorenson, why did you post under HIS name?
Why do you pretend to have HIS experience and qualifications?
If you are not Joe Finocchiaro, why did you post under HIS name?
Why do you pretend to have HIS interest in AIDS alternatives?
Do the real people know what you are up to?
Who will you pretend to be next week?
Uncle Sam
---------------------------
From: A Real American <u...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2000/10/13
Subject: Re: Walking with Prong Collar
On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:03:43 -0500,
Roscoe Pignitoiwski
<dogman @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>*I* have never posted under Tom Sorensen.
You posted to rpdb as "Tom Sorensen" <jmf @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> with the Dogman
tag line: Message-ID: <qiltqs0qpbjn5d5cm81k9eoakqm7377...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
then you reposted the same message as "Dogman"
<dogman @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> with the same tag line:
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> Or Tom Sorenson. Or Tommy
> Sorensen. Or Tommy Sorenson.
You posted to "comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows" as "Tom Sorensen"
<jmf @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> with the Dogman tag line:
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>
then you reposted the same message as "Tom Sorensen"
<jmf @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> without the Dogman tag line:
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> Or Joe Finocchiaro. Or Joe Finocharo.
Howe about these older email addys and names of yours?
joefin2 @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Joe Finocchiaro
retrievers @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Joe Finocchiaro
qbtzna @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Bob Maida who "Joey" is? He will say that it is Dogman.
Now, you might be asking yourself...so what? Now ask yourself, why
would a nationally recognized breeder hide behind so many aliases?
The answer is complex in origin, but simple to explain. He likes to
be foul and filthy, but that wouldn't be nice in the circles he likes
to travel in. Look up the old posts to find out just howe filthy he
can be.
OR, he may be like the American U. president that used to make
obscene phone calls to young women to get his jollys off. I kind
of think this may be the correct explanation.
Either way, he is dirt under your feet.
Let's see howe many blind alleys he can
run you retards up and down now.
Uncle Sam
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From: Roscoe Pignitoiwski <dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2000/10/12
Subject: Re: Walking with Prong Collar
A Real American <u...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:45:53 -0500, Dogman <dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>Just a few weeks ago, Howe sent me a copy of an email from
>> one of his little weasel friends (I really hope it's not you, Parker),
>> claiming to know who I was, etc. I told him then that he was
>> totally mistaken, and now I'm telling everyone here -- for the
>> umpteenth time, I am *not* Tommy Sorenson.
>If you are not Tom Sorenson, why did you post under HIS name?
Damn it, but you're stupid.
*I* have never posted under Tom Sorensen. Or Tom Sorenson.
Or Tommy Sorensen. Or Tommy Sorenson. Or Joe Finocchiaro.
Or Joe Finocharo. Or Joe Gitchygooma, or for that matter.
Maybe someone else did, but *I* didn't.
>Why do you pretend to have HIS experience and qualifications?
I don't "pretend" to have anyone's experience but *my* own,
experience which is shared by hundreds of other trainers, etc.
>If you are not Joe Finocchiaro, why did you post under HIS name?
Maybe someone else did that? But *I* never have.
This stuff is much too difficult for you, isn't it?
>Why do you pretend to have HIS interest in AIDS alternatives?
I don't "pretend" to have anyone's interest in AIDS alternatives
(whatever the hell that means) than *my* own.
And *my* own interest in AIDS is shared by thousands of others.
E.g., here's just a few of them:
http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/group.htm
>Do the real people know what you are up to?
I don't even know if there are any "real" people involved here.
Nor do you.
>Who will you pretend to be next week?
I never "pretend" to be anyone but *Dogman.*
>You really are a *****man.
There's a very good way for you to find out.
Contact me via e-mail, and we can arrange
for you to find out exactly who I am.
Up close and personal.
I guarantee it.
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pignitoiwski
RR 1, Highway DD
St. Charles, MO
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Newsgroups: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
From: jfm @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Joe Finocchiaro)
Date: 1998/02/17
Subject: Re: Another FP publi****ng problem...
On a cold day in Hell, Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:48:26 -0800, "M.F. Rogers"
<mrog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
Mark, thanks for the quick response. I have, indeed, talked at
length with my provider about this. Even during the precise times
that I'm actually trying to publish.
We've discussed the coordination of using the same user ID and
password, but that doesn't appear to be the problem. That is, I'm
using the correct ones, the same ones that have supposedly been
"permisssioned" by my provider.
Still, no luck. I don't think they know how to authorize permissions
correctly, but I don't know enough about it to discuss it in depth
with them.
I don't really know what to do next. I love the software, but I
can't use it to publish anything....geeeeeeeez.
Maybe FP 98 shouldn't be this hard for providers to administer
properly, eh?
(Sorry for using my anti-spam guise in a previous response! I forgot
to change parameters...yes, I'm "Philo Beddoe," too!)
> Hi Joe,
> Ask the ISP what user name & password you are supposed
> to use for your FP web. On occasion they use a name that's
> different from your normal login name.
> Mark Rogers
> SiteCrafters Internet Services Sacramento, California
> http://www.SiteCrafters.com
> http://www.SiteCrafters.com/sup****t/fp98
>Joe Finocchiaro wrote in message <34E92C17.149CD...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
>> I'm a newbie to FP 98. I love it for design, but publi****ng appears
>> to be another matter altogether.
>>Problem:
>> When attempting to publish, I always get the following error message:
>> "This operation requires author permission from <root web>"
>> I've done everything the manual says, I think, and my provider
>> assures me that the FP 98 extensions have been installed. I
>> suspect my provider hasn't inacted the correct "permissions,"
>> but I wonder if I'm doing anything wrong, too???????
>> How do I find out for sure?
>> Any help would be appreciated. I've been working on
>> this problem for three days already!
>> Help!
>>Joe Finocchiaro
>>j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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BWEEEAAAAHAAAAHAAAA~!~!~!
"Handsome Jack Morrison"
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>
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> On 26 Jul 2003 22:14:29 GMT, dogstar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>(DogStar716) wrote:
> >>> Never mind dogman :)
> >> You too? Some folks just never learn.
>>>> Uh huh :)
>>> One of the signs of mental illness
>>> is to say "Uh huh" a lot.
>> PS: If the "trainer" you were talking about isn't on this
>> list, he (or she) is NOT an approved Koehler trainer, no
>> matter how loud you scream otherwise.
> May I laugh again? LOL! One doesn't need to be
> on a list to use Koehlers methods or teach his methods.
> Let me be among the first (apparently) to tell you that
> not every trainer who uses a leash is a *Koehler* trainer.
> Sheesh.
> This person may call herself a Koehler trainer, but
> if she's hanging 12 week old puppies, she's about
> as far from a Koehler trainer as a dog trainer can
> possibly be.
> Again, this is just your IGNORANCE showing.
> I can call myself a devout Christian, but if I'm not
> adhering to the doctrine, I'm something else.
> >http://www.koehlerdogtraining.com/patoflearn.html
> Sorry, the very first sentences make me aware
> that whoever wrote it knows nothing about PR
> based training:
> "Amidst the current (and politically correct) trend
> in Positive Reinforcement Only training systems"
> You cannot use PR only.
Au contraire. Many, many posters to r.p.d.b. (and many
other places as well) *claim* that they use nothing but R.
You know, the PPers.
And they do it quite loudly, too.
Surely you aren't blind (and deaf), as well as ignorant?
Those are hard handicaps to overcome, Dogstar.
And if you knew anything about PR BASED training,
you would realize that. It's not all cookies and babytalk.
There is no stronger sup****ter of R than Handsome
Jack Morrison, but I also use every behavioral tool
in my bag, including R-, P, and P-, because I know
that even R has its limits.
You'd know that too, if you didn't
have your head in the sand.
> But that seems to be the battle cry of the Koehler-ites.
The Koehlerites have no battle cry.
They have behaviorism on their side, and
that's more than enough.
> I don't need instruction on how to give my dogs
> a proper leash correction as I do not rely on a
> leash to control or teach my dog.
That may or may not be suitable for your needs,
but it's not suitable for the majority of dog owners,
especially since the advent of leash laws.
Besides, after just a few weeks of proper Koehler
training, Koehler dogs likewise are no longer in
need of a leash.
*(THAT'S HOWE COME tommy
SELLS SHOCK COLLARS)
That you apparently don't know that, once again
shows me just how ignorant of anything to do with
Koehler you are.
My last two dogs have been trained offleash right
from the start, using rewards for what I like, and
nothing for what I don't like.
Good for you, and if that level of training is good enough
for you, fine. But it's not good enough for many of the
rest of us.
> Again, I'm not saying Koehler doesn't work.
I really have no idea what you're saying anymore, because
you apparently know so damn little about Koehler and
behavioral principles in general that it's hard to have an
informed discussion with you.
PS: It boggles my mind at how stupid you must be to
keep denying that those certain harsh methods are only
for LAST RESORT situations, intended only to SAVE
A DOG'S LIFE, even after I've repeatedly given you
direct *quotes* from Koehler's book saying just that.
It's like you don't even care how stupid people think
you are, or how devious you are, etc. That can't help
your cause any.
You'd think that you'd at least want to
*appear* to be honest, even if you're not. -
- Handsome Jack Morrison *gently remove the detonator
to reply via e-mail
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NO PROBLEMO tommy.
Here's tommy soronsen aka lyindogDUMMY
BEATIN a dog to HOWEsbreak IT to SAVE
IT'S LIFE:
"Handsome Jack Morrison"
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> wrote in message
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Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:52:18 -0400, "Krishur"
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> wrote:
Good books huh?
Absolutely. Some are, in fact, classics.
Which idea was your favorite, the one where they
tell you to alpha roll a "dominant" dog,
There's nothing inherently wrong with rolling a dog
(i.e., it *can* and *does* work in *some* situations).
Unfortunately, most people either do it incorrectly, do
it at the wrong time, etc.
or where they tell you that you didn't hit him hard
enough if he doesn't yelp or approaches you within
5 minutes of his punishment?
If physical discipline is deemed necessary (after careful
evaluation), it's much more cruel not to get it over with
quickly than it is to do it incrementally and half-
heartedly, which usually only invites the need for even
more discipline.
Maybe you liked when they recommend these
beatings for housebreaking accidents, chewing /
destructive behavior, stealing, trying to get on
your bed at night and dog on dog aggression.
At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating
a dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin
does *not* constitute a "beating."
I'm sorry if you don't agree.
And each of those behavior "problems" needs
to be looked at in its proper context.
A quote from the Monks:
"We repeat, these situations may merit physical
discipline. Since no book can pretend to analyze
every individual dog and situation, we feel obligated
to emphasize from the outset that discipline is never
an arbitrary training technique to be applied to each
and every dog for all offenses. We do, however, believe
that physical and verbal discipline can be an effective
technique.
The best policy if you experience any of the above
problems is to consult a qualified trainer or veterinarian
or evaluation of your individual situation....
"If discipline is decided upon as a training technique,
it should be the proper technique. We feel we have
developed several methods that depend less on violent
physical force than timing, a flair for drama, and the
element of surprise.
We feel an obligation, as responsible trainers, to map
out these methods, rather than simply skip the topic
because it is unpleasant. Dog owners want to know
what to do."
In other words, physical discipline is reserved for those
serious, special occasions when other methods have failed.
For example, they do not recommend using physical
discipline for *routine* housebreaking chores -- only
on those rare occasions when an already reliably
housebroken dog is (after careful evaluation) deemed
to be soiling the house on purpose, backsliding, etc.
I'll give you an actual example. Years ago, an adult dog
was brought to me as an *incurable* house-soiler. It
was either get the dog reliably housetrained or the dog
was going on a one way trip to the pound.
Being the kind, compassionate trainer that I am, I
was prepared to do whatever it took to get this dog
house-trained and save his life.
After several weeks of more or less traditional training,
and to poor result, I brought out the big guns -- physical
and verbal discipline. Whenever the dog soiled the house
(no, you don't even have to catch him in the act), I
immediately (but very calmly) tossed a leash on his collar,
dragged him to the scene of the crime, and (using a large
chair as a prop) tethered him to the leg of the chair, with
his nose about two inches away from the poop. After a
couple of swats on the rump, some loud vocalizing, and a
wait of about 20 minutes, I'd release the dog and then
ignore him for a while. I had to repeat this process *three*
times, I think -- and the house-soiling miraculously
stopped. The dog went home to enjoy a long and contented
life with his original owners, and I got to feel good about
myself.
So, yes, the Monk's books are good ones. Even for novices.
Yup, that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.
-- Handsome Jack Morrison *gently remove
the detonator to reply via e-mail
"Handsome Jack Morrison"
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>
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> <sigh>
"Sigh", tommy? Seems your manic depression is re-emerging, eh?
Perhaps you need your anti-psychotic medications adjusted, tommy?
Well, at least your obsessive compulsive spittin has diminished <{}: ~ ) >
Seems the ONLY thing these dogs lacked was a CARING
DOG LOVER like yourself to jerk choke shock bribe crate
intimidate surgically ***ually mutilate to make them GOOD
CITIZENS, eh, tommy??
Oh, an THANKS for all the ADVICE!
Here, permit The Amazing Puppy Wizard to give
you a hand with that tricky little pin, tommy...
There. GOT IT! NHOWE HERE, HOWELD THIS, tommy.
That's FIXED. ENJOY!
Adios, tommy...
NHOWE START WALKIN THE WALK.
Oh, but don't trip over the puppy, tommy!
http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard
In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
The World's CRUELEST Trainer,
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
M-A-J-E-S-T-I-C
G-R-A-N-D
M-A-S-T-E-R
Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >
HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >
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