HOWEDY william clodius,
"William Clodius" <wclodius@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Goddard is a large pitbull mix (~90 lbs) that was at
> our shelter from late June 2007 to early November.
The shelter / rescue organizations are, for the MOST
part, a self serving SCAM that TAKES ADVANTAGE
of and surgically ***ually MUTILATES innocent
defenseless dumb critters and RIPS J.Q. Pubic off for
their hard earned dough <{}: ~ ( >
These SCAMS are pu****trated generally by pathetic
miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin active
acute chronic life-long incurable malignant malici-
HOWES MENTAL CASES *(some of whom have
not been diagnosed) who've NEVER succeded at
ANY thing in REAL LIFE, therefore these degenerates
COMPENSATE for their fragile defective egos, weak
fearful minds and colossal inferiority complexes by
DISADVANTAGING and MURDERIN their charges
and seek ego gratification from the IGNORANTI J.Q.
Pubic for their [self serving] SERVICE to innocent
defenseless dumb critters <{}:* ~ ( >
> During that period adoptions essentially stopped, perhaps
> because the major employer was threatening to make
> significant layoffs.
Perhaps your "SHELTER" should have reduced their
"ADOPTION" fees to make their "RESCUE" dogs
more ADOPTABLE to families facing financial hard****p?
> Although he has the standard pitbull issues with other dogs,
That's ABSURD and it's a LIE, william.
Pit Bull hysteria is DOGGY RACISM at its very WORST:
You GET The Critter You TRAINED
ALL Temperament And Behavior Problems Are
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
A DOG Is A DOG;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A GOAT Is A GOAT;
As A FERRET Is A FERRET;
As A MONKEY Is A MONKEY:
As A HORSE Is A HORSE;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES;
As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.
ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Cir***stances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
> he is such a strongly people oriented dog that he soon
> became a favorite at the shelter. He certainly became a
> favorite of mine after I returned from vacation in mid July.
You ARE the CONsumate DOG LOVER, ain't you <{}: ~ ) >
> When Goddard first arrived at the shelter he was re****ted
> as being two years old. His dog aggression issues were
> fairly minor at the start so I think he was actually younger
> and still in his late adolescence.
THAT'S IRELEVENT and it's INSANE, william.
ALL aggression is FEAR.
ALL FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
> However after two months at the shelter he was clearly
> having issues with older male dogs, and an older alpha
> female at the shelter.
THAT'S ABSURD and it's INSANE, william. Opposite ***
aggression in dogs is THE MOST UNNATURAL act <{}: ~ ( >
Occasionally a ***** may "flash" at a dog but they NEVER
attack them and a male will NEVER retaliate UNLESS they
been SURGICALLY ***UALLY MUTILATED or otherWIZE
HURT and INTIMIDATED by "DOG LOVERS" and
"RESCUERS" like you and your PALS here <{}: ~ ( >
> His persistent mounting behavior irritated those dogs,
MHOWENTING, in the absence of a female in season,
is a ANXXXIHOWESNESS RELIEF MECHANISM.
> and he would not back down to their objections.
Of curse not~!
He AIN'T SUPPHOWESED to <{}'; ~ ) >
Females are SUPPHOWESED to OBJECT until they're
at their peak of fertility and males are SUPPHOWESED
to keep "priming the pump" so to speak, to HEELP them
accomplish that function, JUST LIKE HOWE it goes in
HUMANS <{}: ~ ) >
> Eventually he got into a bad fight with an
> older male who needed stitches afterwards.
THAT'S QUEER, AIN'T IT, william <{}: ~ ( >
> In spite of those problems
"Those PROBLEMS" are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING,
not that IT was a PIT BULL or even that they was the same
*** *(a SCARY word here abHOWETS) <{}: ~ ( >
> he continued to do well with young females,
LikeWIZE <{}'; ~ ) >
> particularly the pre-adolescents.
Hmmm. Perhaps he doesn't feel COMPETENT to
make advance towards a more mature female?
> His behavior was not as obnoxious with
> younger dogs, and they loved his high energy.
That so?
Oh, you mean they ENJOYED his HYPERACTIVE behavior??:
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH,
That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And
Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The
Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies.
> One that particularly loved him was his puppy.
You mean "his puppy" euphamistically, don't you, william?
ALL dogs have MATERNAL / PATERNAL INSTINCT
until they've been surgically ***ually mutilated by self
described DOG LOVERS like you an your PALS, billy.
> Our shelter is old and most of the concrete drains for the
> kennels have lost the grates intended to block the passage
> of small dogs between kennels.
Dogs get HURT an MURDERED like that, william.
Perhaps you should VOLUNTEER to FIX the doGdameneD
runs? OR are you TOTALLY USELESS, billy boy ?
> In October a six week old female puppy was found roaming
> and put in the shelter while a foster was found. She was put
> in a kennel near Goddard, and the next morning was found
> happily ensconced in his kennel.
And you "SHELTER / RESCUE DOG LOVERS" CONtinue
to permit random intermingling between strange dogs??
> They were both delighted.
INDEED? Dogs are PACK critters, billyboy <{}: ~ ( >
Dr. Von wrote:
Unconditional Acceptance, Love, Approval are a positive
reinforcement of good feelings and reinforce groupness.
What your critics do not realize is that all free dogs live
in packs all heaped up together, touching each other closely,
or sniffing and barking happily or working tracking and
chasing down prey.
All loving groups are continually rewarding each
other with "good brother/sister" sounds and smells.
I can send you a bibliography of hundreds, nay,
thousands of papers which prove that scaring,
hurting, startling, demeaning, puni****ng animals
deranges behavior.
NEGATIVE means NO! Freshmen frequently make
the error that negative reinforcement is aversive
reinforcement, no, its NO reinforcement.
Aversive reinforcement includes choking, kicking,
biting, shocking, abrading, alpha rolling and other
sadistic behaviors.
AVERSIVE reinforcement always deranges behavior.
Neither paramecia nor dogs ever forget.
Dr. Von
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:
whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine you may find my resume
in Who's Who in Science and Technology I have been listed
in Who's Who in the S & SE USA since 1982, and in the big
books, Who's Who in the USA, WW in the World, WW in
Medicine etc, and WW in Science and Technology, since that date.
These are the Marquis Publications, the "real" WW, and
you can't get yourself into them.
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> The women volunteers sent out several emails about how
> wonderful a job he was doing taking care of her, but after
> a week a foster was found and she left the shelter.
The "foster" approach to ANIMAL CON-TROLL is CRUEL
and ABUSIVE to those "fostered" critters, billy boy. Dogs
form ATTACHMENTS quickly; to "place" a dog in a
"foster HOWES" OR on a "TRIAL" basis or is CRUEL
and INSANE HUMAN BEHAVIOR <{}: ~ ( >
> In spite of his dog aggression issues
Dogs are PACK critters, billy. DOGS DO NOT HAVE
"dog aggression ISSUES" UNLESS they been surgically
***ually mutilate or otherWIZE ABUSED by self professed
DOG LOVERS like *you* and your self-serving "SHELTER /
RESCUE" PROFITEERS <{}: ~ ( >
> Goddard is an excellent people dog.
THAT SO, billy?
> It is obvious that he loves people,
You mean on accHOWENT his SUBMISSIVE / HYPERACTIVE
behaviors which you "DOG LOVERS" LOVE to see, billy?
> is a quick learner,
That so, billy? ALL dogs can learn ANY behavior
NEARLY INSTANTLY through installation of
ANY command as a Pavlovian CONditional REFLEX.
LIKE THIS:
ballzde...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Well I am happy to reply that so far after 10
> minutes of work and the cans from mr Howes guide,
You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >
> I have instilled the "come" command to Riley.
Good. You mean INSTALLED the come command as
a conditional reflex. Be SHORE to perform the
EXXXORCISES four times in each of four locations.
> He is an extremley smart dog, I have never had
> to go to the third or fourth try.
Good. DON'T SKIP ANY THING in your FREE COPY
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >
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From: "BarbnBeau" <bdea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:52:30 -0500
Re: Puppy Wizard's Website
Hi Buzzsaw
Not a Thing to lose ...But a Lot To Gain!!
I can only speak from my experience.. I have a 8 month
old miniature poodle, and although I had done some basic
training with him we had a few barking issues ..ugh
I am happy to tell you, I contacted Jerry at the email
addy I posted and he was so great! I wasn't following
the technique precisely but he helped me get back on track.
Beau is doing sooooo well it is really a thrill working
with him, and seeing the remarkable changes.
Now I can ask for "recall" (come) both on and off lead
and it is immediate!
the first time I ask.
Best of Luck to you,
Remember if you need help or explanation contact Jerry ..
he will be more than happy to help anyway he can.
Cheers
Barb
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Hi, Jerry.
I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree with
(or even understand) 100% of what you say in this manual ...
BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few reps and you
could have knocked me down when I tried the exercise
with "drop" and, after a few reps in different spots Darwin
practically *threw* the rubber ball at my feet on command.
He's still not perfect (just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn
enough to want to push and test me a little bit more).
For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have) how
your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few folks, but that
woman who advocates ear pulling and beating with sticks
deserves everything she gets.
Even if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that. (Darwin
fetches enthusiastically and instinctively, tho').
Best, ben
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Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
Hello.
I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
I never trained or owned a dog before this
year.
I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.
Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.
I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.
I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.
A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.
We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he is very eager to accept our love.
So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.
His method worked for us.
I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.
Florence
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From: lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mon, May 23 2005 1:08 am
Email: lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Anyone else have an opinion?
I'm not a trainer and my experience is limited to my two dogs, so take
it for what it's worth. As someone who had to deal with a puppy who
had his own ideas about what was and what wasn't "proper behavior",
I was very happy to find The Amazing Puppy Wizard's dog training
method.
It is a method that is gentle to the dog, very easy to apply and it has
been working wonderfully with both my dogs, giving practically instant
results. It was as if I had been given the "key" to understanding and
controlling my puppy's behavior: suddenly, he was listening to me,
doing what I was asking him to do, instead of constantly opposing me.
It also worked with some issues my older dog had, too - her fear of
thunder, her barking and her aggression towards another female dog.
Don't let either the first impression about the "weirdness" of The
Amazing Puppy Wizard, or the regulars' negative opinion of him
(there's a long history behind it) deter you from at least reading
the manual and deciding for yourself if you want to try it or not.
I wish all the best to you and your dog.
Lucy
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> and a good companion.
INDEED?
> He very quickly learned sit, down, and no jump.
Jumpin is a BONDING behavior, billyboy <{}: ~ ( >
You can EXXXTINGUISH jumpin simply by PRAISING
the dog IN ADVANCE and briefly, variably, alternately,
NON PHYSICALLY distracting and INSTANTLY praising
for five to fifteen seconds <{}: ~ ) >
> He was slower on his leash training,
That so, billy?
> he could show a Malemute how to pull,
Dogs PULL on leash to ESCAPE their ABUSERS
CHOKIN them to "train" them NOT TO JUMP an
PULL, billy boy; you *(well NOT *you* but ANY
WON) ***(well, NOT ANYWON HERE) can
EXXXTINGUISH PULLIN NEARLY INSTANTLY
simply by DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY
PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE you MENTAL
CASES PREFER <{}: ~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
"Greg M. Silverman" <gmsNOS...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
Hey, Mr. Wizard, or Alchemist or whatever your alias
of the day is, have to say that our dog heels much
better than she did. This is after reading and
implementing the bit in your "Wits End" treatise.
And she's a royal nutter (but then again, aren't they all?).
Cheers! Greg--
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"Leprechaun" <Leprech...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Jerry believes he's a dog trainer.
Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too.
I took a rescued three year old beagle that
had been kept outside all of its life that didn't
even recognize or respond to its name to
Jerry's home (That ugly cinder block shack???
get real) and in just over one hour of working
with the dog, he was coming on command
(not a quickly as he does now, but still...) and
walking with us on a loose lead.
His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called"
command and pack exercise WORK!
> and in all likelihood he's never even been near a dog.
Well, he's been near mine, and done wonders for him.
You don't have to like him. You don't have
to agree with his methods, but as far as I
am concerned, I've never seen any other
training approach that was as fast and easy.
<<<< Rest of original post deleted >>>>
Ron Flanagan
Orlando, Florida
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"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The
F***ing Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works very good!
But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on A4-size
paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching him something
new takes about 30minutes (depending on what to teach offcourse)
My other dog (a 7year old stafford****re terrier-mix) is a bit
slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad
dog"whenever he did something i didn't want him to do, or
it might be the age.
Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn
something new: he wants me to bring along the can
filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a
very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a
"good dog", and never a "bad dog"
There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved.
For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without
beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog,
he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask
permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!
My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them),
maybe this helped too.
Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html
-- Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/
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"Ama...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" wrote:
No, the dog learned that I would hold still the second she
began to pull. She would pull to go where *she* wanted.
Well if she wanted to stop and go in another direction...
say to sniff my neighbors yard.. she learned if she wanted
to do it I would stop walking and she could go.. and if there
wasn't enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.
Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl heel..
smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go" and finish *my*
thing.
I would refuse to move .. i looked like an idiot.. freezing
mid walk for minutes waiting for *my* dog to heel and give
*me* permission to go again.
I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.
I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose pit
and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective.. we had
a new pup on the way.. and i needed help..
i followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only when my
pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was better than what
she wanted.. which was not often.
She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she could see
my hands were empty. So I called Jerry... he chatted me
for about an hour and a half.. gave me his link... and even
when i had probs intro'ing the pup he called me withn i5 mins
of my email for help at 10pm on a sunday night.
One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after the hot
and cold exercise and i could zig zag down my street..
about face .. whatever.. and never had tension.
two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.
And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he even
looked like he was going near my husband or kids.. is
nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside.. actually
watches him to make sure he doesn't go in the house...
and has milk.. which is awesome since she's 19 months old
and has never had a litter.
She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.
She also does her commands on cue..and doesn't look for a treat.
Amanda.
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When I trained both my dogs to "heel" or walk close
to me I ended up going to the parks and teaching
them without a lead at all, that ensured I had to use
good communication and was unable to be tempted
to use the lead to correct them.
Another part of the training I agree with is not using
the "policeman" approach, where you tell a dog "no"
or react with it in such a way that you become involved
in the behaviour (by trying to stop it), this approach
often results in a dog ceasing the behaviour when you
are about but doing it when you aren't (bin raiding,
counter surfing etc).
Basically you are taught to make your dog a good
friend who likes and wants to work for you for the
pleasure of working for you (setting the hierarchy
is included in this), teach it to recall reliably,
then to do everything else (sit, stay down etc etc).
Unwanted behaviours are addressed as they occur.
If you understand what you are trying to achieve and
are prepared to work with it you can get great results.
Paul
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Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500
Message-ID: uim43blqq1h...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I gotta speak up here... We've been using
Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same
problem as the original poster has with Buzz.
One day working with the family pack exercise
and practicing the recall command with the family
and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter
instead of needing me to reassure her or even
refusing to go with anyone but me.
I really urge you, regardless of the negative
things you might hear about Jerry & Wits'
End here, to try the method and *judge the
results for yourself*.
Let's see what other areas she's improved in...
always comes when called, not chewing stuff
even if we leave it laying around, "re" housebroken
after long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash,
doesn't try to steal food from our plates or beg...
probably a few more things I'm forgetting to mention.
*(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi and don't wander. jh).
That's in about a week's time.
Her overall demeanor has changed. When
we brought her home she was very untrusting
and ultra-submissive (except with her area/toys
where she was possessive and nippy).
She had been abused and beaten by previous
owners, then she was in a shelter for months.
They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill
her.
Now she's gained confidenceand trust with us.
Last night was another big breakthrough
(in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she
barked just once when she heard the front
door. Great!
Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about
Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled
from other sources. In my opinion, even if it
is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves
out the bad.
Works for me.
(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know
Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant
messaged him. I have not bought a "Doggy
Do Right". He's offered help for free.)
M.
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> but eventually he became an acceptable walker on a prong collar.
YOU MEAN, LIKE THIS?:
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt
AND THAT'S HOWE COME HE'S "DOG AGGRESSIVE":
From: Lindalee
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!
Sun****ne is still acting like a new dog!
Saw a dog today and "good boy-" worked along
with calling him-came the first time every time.
Not even a sound out of him.
Think it is hard for him but he never even
seemed to think about going off-reacting.
The word come has no affect on him just
the phrase--Sun****ne come goodboy.
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"Linda" <llindaleedan...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in message
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I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.
At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.
I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.
I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.
At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"
I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."
*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sun****ne
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)
As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!
Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.
When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"
The results can make a believer!!!
Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
He just seemed to not notice any one.
When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.
If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
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From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sun****ne but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.
We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.
He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
I can never thank you enough for giving Sun****ne back!!!!!
I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.
I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-
- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.
They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
From: BNTDOBES @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Saturday, July 27, 2002 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: THANKS ALISON! - "Owners Should Always
Be Given The Cold, Hard Facts: They Should NEVER FEEL
GUILTY For Having An Aggressive Dog Euthanized."
Dear Jerry,
It's Kay here. I don't know who these people are that
maligning you and your training manual but tell them
from me that it does work.
Hunter is just doing so well even the people who advocated
putting him down are impressed with him.
I even started using it with the neighbor's dog. I went over
there to help her cut his nails. She started yelling at him
for growling at me. I told her to tell him what a good boy he
is instead. Lo and behold he stopped growling and I could
do his nails.
All 4 feet.
My dog Hunter was trained with the old jerk and pull method
and my other dog was trained with treats. Hunter has gotten
his enthusiasm back for his training and I couldn't be more
pleased.
He even tried to kiss a child the other day.
Major break through.
This is the dog that a few months ago tried to eat the kids
through the fence. I can now take him in the car with me
again without him trying to chase cars through the wind****eld.
So Jerry tell these people that the first rule of dog training
is Do No Harm.
The 2nd rule is whatever works without breaking the first rule.
Aggressive dogs don't need to be put down. Hunter was
diagnosed aggressive and he is going to stay alive and by
my side where he belongs.
Thank you so much.
Kay
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> He is a great leaner, appreciating physical contact and pets.
INDEED?
So, billy boy, other than your EXXXPERTEASE at
lettin dogs lean on you an pattin them, perhaps you
should LEAVE DOGS THE HEEL ALONE??
> In early October the heads of the volunteer organization decided
> that we needed to have a mobile adoption because the lack of
> turnover had doubled the shelter's population. Almost all of the
> dogs were to attend except Goddard, who they thought should
> not attend because of his dog aggression issues.
His "DOG AGGRESSION ISSUES" are CAUSED BY
ITS surgical ***ual mutilation and JERKIN an CHOKIN
on *YOUR* leash, billyboy <{}: ~ ( >
> I disagreed. I knew I could control him on a leash,
You mean you could JERK an CHOKE him JUST LIKE
HOWE you MENTAL CASES PREFER, billy <{}: ~ ( >
> and that as long as he wasn't allowed close to dogs he
> had already fought with, he would not start a fight.
He WOULDN'T FIGHT WITH THEM if you DIDN'T
JERK an CHOKE IT on your PRONGED SPIKED
PINCH CHOKE COLLAR, billy boy <{}: ~ ( >
> I was more concerned about a smaller female
> that could be aggressive at larger distances.
It's ALL the SAME SAME, you pathetic IMBECILE <{}: ~ ( >
> I talked it over with my daughters
"STUPID PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BREED"
> and for once they both agreed with me,
Ahhh, the ignorameHOWESE leadin the ignorameHOWESES~!
> so we brought Goddard for a visit to the mobile adoption.
> When they saw how good a job he was doing with us he
> was allowed to stay and was the big hit at the event.
INDEED??
> He got to spend more time with his puppy and some of
> the younger females, such as the pitbull, Charms. He
> was well behaved with all the dogless visitors, and we
> kept him away from any dogs that might be a source of
> trouble.
JUST BLAME THE DOG, eh, billy??
> A couple of weeks later the employer announced how
> it was dealing with the needed cutbacks, and adoptions
> started up again. Goddard was quickly adopted by a
> family with two young children and a yard, who apparently
> found him to be a great dog.
Ahhh, a FOREVER HOWES, eh, billyboy??
> Unfortunately the family recently had to move to
> an apartment and Goddard is back at the shelter.
SHAAAZZZAAAMMM???
> As a result a volunteer sent an email message with photos
> of Goddard at the mobile adoption. As a plus for me, the
> photos included my daughters. I have posted the photos at
> my FLICKR site:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30081833@[EMAIL
PROTECTED]
>
> Unfortunately Goddard retains his dog aggression issues.
Naaaaah??
Oh, hey, billyboy? You STILL jerkin an chokin IT on
your PRONGED SPIKED PINCH CHOKE COLLAR?
> I recently allowed him to interact with a recently neutered
> dog friendly female, that had obviously recently had puppies.
> Between the effect of her hormones on his mounting behavior,
> and her post surgery sensitivity, a fight ensued.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
> While her thick scruff kept her injuries minor, it was the
> first fight I have had to break up where I would have found
> a breakstick useful.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Here's janet boss and her REAL LIFE IN PERSON
"students" paul and his RESCUE dog Muttley whom
she wanted to MURDER for "DOG AGGRESSION":
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
Hello everyone:
If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.
I will add a bit more history later in this post.
Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.
The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
had the time to work with him much on that.
I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pu****ng his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.
Muttley took the op****tunity to attack a young black
male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.
That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.
When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
what should be done about Muttley.
She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.
She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.
"They can't all be saved".
<snip>
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Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
<snip>
If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience cl***** at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.
--------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
Here's janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON "student" paul:
#2 - 6/05/07
>> When I was training him under Janet's supervision I
>> was instructed to give it a ? firm yank as a correction.
> I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm yanks
> on a chain choke collar. I hate the things.
>> She was able to get his attention with just a quick tug, but I
>> had to yank on it hard enough to lift him off his feet to get him
>> to respond.
>
>> Looking back now, I think it was based on his fear, which he
>> had for her (as an unknown), but not for me (whom he had
>> learned to trust).
> He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a confident trainer.
> Fear has no place in dog training, as I told you THEN.
> Janet.
It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
of further punishment.
Sure, if it is administered very consistently
by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
so what remains is negative.
Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
from me without lunging for it. When you offered
it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
a fear behavior.
Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
to think on his own, but that's just my way of
doing things, and that's probably not going to
change much. He may never win an obedience
medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
of control, either.
Paul and Muttley
"I thought I was told that the way to get the dog to go
down was to make him sit and then step on the leash.
That was awkward and didn't seem to work.
I will confess that I only tried the "down" position
once or twice at home, and I also often used it
instead of "Off" when I wanted him to stop
jumping on me or elsewhere I didn't want him to be.
I had to give him corrections every few seconds,
and also just about kick him, to keep him at my
left side.
Muttley is really a very sweet and loving dog, but
he needs more socialization with other dogs. However,
it is very likely that I will have him put down in a week."
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
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THAT'S quite a SUCCESS STORY, ain't it <{}: ~ ( >
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Subject: Re: redirected aggression
Date: 4/11/07
"Janet Boss" <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:janet-730AB8.17321511042007@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
seems I have been dealing with this a bit lately.
Dog to dog and dog to person,, with dogs who are
obviously overstimulated by what's in front of them.
What's in front of them varies from people at the door
to dogs in their path or directly in their face. The dogs
in question all have very poor self control.
I have dog(s) with not-so-great-natural self control,
so it's something we constantly work on. We don't
have redirected stuff going on, because we have enough
obedience to avoid it.
While I know that's the big answer for the dogs in
question as well, I'm curious what things people have
found useful to redirect/focus/gain attention from
drivey dogs or just very distracted of over-the-top dogs.
We're having success with my recommendations, but I'm
always open to something novel that may be the hot ticket.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
SEE?
You been a UNDIAGNOSED MENTAL CASE all your life:
"FWIW I believe I have Asperger's, [sic] but that diagnosis only
became common in the 90s, several decades after the time
in life when that diagnosis might have been very useful to me."
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
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