HOWEDY spot aka celeste you pathetic miserable
stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin life-long incurable
malignant maliciHOWES MENTAL CASE,
"Spot" <spot@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Father Yod & YHW 13" <everythingisall@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> I have a 14 year old Wicklow Collie that has slowed down a lot and has
>> arthritis and back leg problems.
> At some point you have to weigh the good it can do verses the
> possibility that the dog may have problems with it. For every dog out
> there that has had problems there are 100's that the medication has been
a
> life saver and made their lives pain free.
THAT'S INSANE, spotty. There are EFFECTIVE NON
PHARMACUTICAL nutritional supplements that work
VERY WELL for so called arthritis, a STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE a.k.a. The Puppy Wizard's
Syndrome <{}: ~ ( >
> Out of all the meds out there for arthritis medcam seems to be the one
> with the least amount of problems.
You mean of all the DEATHLY TOXIC nsaids <{}: ~ ( >
> Personally if it were me I would not hesitate to give it to him
LikeWIZE you wouldn't hesitate to jerk choke shock bribe
crate intimidate an surgically ***ually mutilate your DEATHLY
ILL innocent defenseless dumb critters <{}: ~ ( >
> but I would use it daily. You also need to have proper follow
> up blood work at the vets office to be sure it's not affecting the
liver
> or kidneys.
That's ABSURD, spotty. IF the dog is sensitive to the toxic
effects THEY DROP DEAD NEARLY INSTANTLY.
> I get labs done 2 weeks after starting, at the 3 month mark and every 6
> months after that.
Yeah. Your veterinary malpracticioner LOVES you for that <{}: ~ ( >
> These meds are not only a pain relief but inflamation to, by
> yoyoing the dose you are not giving adequate inflamation relief and
> sabotaging the whole effect of the drug. You also need to learn what
> signs to look for if problems do arrise.
DEATH is USUALLY the 1st symptom <{}: ~ ( >
> I've had two dogs that have taken Rimadyl and Deramaxx and neither of
them
> have had any problems. Barney took it from the age of 5 to 12 for
severe
> arthritis and did
> wonderfully on them. Buddy blew his knee out and even after fixing it
has
> bad arthritis and neurological issues in
> that hip. He's been on Rimadyl for the last 2 years. Without it he is
> miserable, he'll bite and snap at everyone because he's
> pain and he can't get around.
If your dog TRUSTED you he'd NOT bite from pain.
> I was hesitant to put him on it just as everyone is but he's
> done well on it and I keep an eye on him and watch for signs of problems
> so I can catch them early on.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> Celeste
Here's HOWE COME your DEATHLY ILL
dogs are DEATHLY ILL and DEAD:
HOWEDY spot aka celeste you pathetic miserable
stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASE,
Spot wrote:
> Jason,
>
> I love dogs
Is that HOWE COME you jerk and choke them on your
pronged spiked pinch choke collar and shock and
lock them in boxes and spray aversives in their
faces and ignore their cries, spot aka cleleste?
> and have always had one
You've ALWAYS BEEN an abuser, spot.
> but I'm realistic
Your own POSTED CASE HISTORY will PROVE THAT
you've ALWAYS BEEN AN ABUSER, spot.
> and the first thing I do when I take them in for their first checkup is
> schedule to have them fixed.
Oh? Was they BROKEN, spotty? I mean, pryor to you
surgically mutilating and shocking and chokin them,
spotty?
> I had a beautiful lab/husky mix and had tons of people ask will you
breed
> him they always seemed disappointed when I told them he was fixed.
No, he was FIXED when you GOT him. THEN you BROKE him.
> I always tried to explain there are just too many
> unwanted puppies in the world to add any more.
That so? Perhaps you should be TELLIN THAT to
your EITHICKAL BREEDER pals and call on THEM
to declare a 5 year breeding moritorim so you
won't have to WORRY about all them unwanted pups?
> Even though Barney was gorgeous he had many problems due to back yard
> breeding.
That's EZ for you to say spot, you and your ilk will DO
and SAY ANYTHING to DEFEND your alleged RIGHT
to hurt intimidate mutilate and murder dogs.
We got EXXXPERTS RIGHT HERE who's MUILTIPLE
dogs have died from cancers and other STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES. We even got cate's Orson
who's GONE BLIND from his three years of problem
behavior modification training and don't forget to look
up professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer's little dog Maxie
The Magnificient FuriHOWESLY Obsessive Compulsive
Coprographic Masturbator's CASE HISTORY of CHRONIC
urinary tract / bladder stone / irritible bowel SYNDROME <{);* ~ { >
> Both of Barneys knees had luxating patella's
You mean The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME, spot. THAT'S
CAUSED BY STRESS from inapupriate surgical ***ual
mutilation, jerking, choking, crating, offering and witholding
bribes, shocking and spraying aversives in their faces and
ignoring their cries.
> which lead to extensive costly surgery starting at
> the age of 6 and due to the problems he had severe arthritis later in
> life.
Imagine?
> All of which could have been prevented
Had you NOT HURT and INTIMDATED him.
> if people would be responsible.
Yeah, like you was.
> Add on top of that the mast cell cancer
Well La, Di, Da?
No, celesete, THAT WAS PREDICTABLE. LOOK AT
THE CASE HISTORY DATA, celeste. YOU HURT YOUR
DOG AND CAUSED HIS DIS-EASES and CRIPPLING
just like robin nuttal and katrina aka white
monked CRIPPLED THEIR DOGS by jerking and
choking and shocking them.
> that we fought for the last 6 years of his life.
You mean the MuncHOWESEN SYNDROME By Proxy.
> At no time was he in pain I made sure of that
You mean other than the traditional jerking
choking shocking crating bribing intimidating
spraying with aversives and ignoring his cries.
> and I spared no expense when it came to Barney
You're generHOWES and SENSITIVE, as are all dog lovers,
that's the THREAD that BINDS you with the other DOG LOVERS
in these forums who SCREAM to KILLFILE The Amazing Puppy
Wizard EXXXCEPT for the VETERINARIANS who can't feature
LOSING 90% of their iatrogenic heelth care treatments
like your ACL surgeries on BOTH knees. Only a FOOL or
WON with MONEY TO LOSE would believe the bilateral nature
of this DIS-EASE is caused by the dog's GAIT being thrown
off with the gimpy first leg goin out on him. It'd MAKE
SENSE to a FIVE YEAR OLD CHILD but NOT to The Amazing
Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >
And NOT TO YOU EITHER, spot. YOU GOT TO BLAME
SUMPTHIN and you're PREYING we'll BUY THAT EXXXCUSE
and the old standye the PUPPY MILL FAERIE TAIL.
That's not sayin I'm IN FAVOR of so called puppy
mills or commercial breeders or factory farmers.
The animal industries CAN be apupriately handled
even in a free enterprise / PC situation like USA.
> but many people don't look at dogs and cats as a life time commitment.
Most folks WOULDN'T if they thought owning a puppy was
NORMALLY going to involve MONTHS and YEARS of
PROBLEM BEHAVIOR and CONSTANT REINFORCEMENT TRAINING and CHRONIC ear skin
dental urinary tract bladder
endocrine and bowel DIS-EASES. You musta spent 7-10
THOWESAND buck just treatin his DIS-EASES CAUSED BY
STRESS from MISHANDLING as you've BEEN TAUGHT by
your PET PROFESSINALS who have deprived your dog of his
RIGHT to life by advising you to jerk choke crate bribe force
intimidate mutilate and MURDER your own dogs.
> Once the fun wares off [sic]
You mean from NOT BEING TRAINED like your dogs?
> or they become and expense [sic]
Most folks DUMP dogs in shelters because the
METHODS for handling and training their dogs
which their PET PROFESSIONALS gave them FAILS.
> they dump them off at shelters.
NO. They PAY to GET RID of their dogs so they can be
ADOPTED by another FOREVER home for a WEE BIT
OF MONEY and often are RETURNED from their
FOREVER HOMES repeatedly till the SHELTER
MURDERS them or figgers they GOT A GOOD
SHELTER DOG who makes them A WEE BIT OF
MONEY HAND OVER FIST till the cows come home.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
What a RACKET.
> Are you really ready to take on that kind of responsibility.
WATCH ME.
> If you can't afford to buy a dog you can't afford to get another one.
You mean because he won't be able to AFFORD double
knee joint replacements like you dog needed and the
prolonged cancer treatmets till you had to PAY YOUR
VET to finish the dog off in a kindly sensitive manner
as all dog lovers PREFER to havin their pets live a
heelthy ripe old age in EXXXCELLENT heelth and ****in
the bed in the middle of the night like it should be?
> It's not just food & shelter it's medical care to.
Right. It's months and years of constant
training management and vigilance.
> Hopefully emergencies never arise for you but all too often they do. I
> have had to fork out my cash at up to 1500.00 a clip for multiple
> surgeries not just for Barney but for my other pets. In all total
> over Barneys 12 years I probably spent well over 6000.00
> and I have a cat who I've probably spent close to 1500.00 for in the
last
> 6 years.
kelly aka culprit aka metta's DEAD KAT was seven
THOWESAND buck of unnecessary surgries and chronic
DIS-EASES till her dogs MURDERED HER two weeks
after she began SHOCKING them and using her to set the
dogs up to cross the shock barrier... till she FORGOT to
put their SHOCK COLLARS on and they bolted through
and ATE HER DEATHLY ILL KAT right there in front of
her JUST LIKE HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard
PREDICTED based on CASE HISTORY DATA like
that of lia altshuller's fear aggressive dog aggressive
vet aggressive child aggressive dog Cubbe began
TURNING ON HER since she first started jerking
and choking IT till she went to a PRONGED SPIKED
PINCH CHOKE collar and shocking her till she
ATTACKED her ONLY FRIEND as she stood in
Cubbe's SHOCK ZONE the same same as she did when
she TURNED ON THE CHILD she'd just been PLAYIN
WITH till she stepped into Cubbe's SHOCK ZONE just
like HOWE she done to the little boy she used to play with.
> Do you have that kind of cash or available credit
> at hand if you should need it in an emergency?
Who are you, Dunn & Bradstreet? Maybe the IRS?
> You have to think in the long term picture and overall cost.
Naah. Let's think in the SHORT TERM picture
and DON'T HURT and INTIMDIATE your dogs and
THEY WON'T DIE from STRESS INDUCED DIS-EASES
aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
> Some where I read the average cost of a dog
> in a years time is close to $400.00 and that's
> just food & routine vet care!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's ABSURD.
> Celeste
YOUR DOG GOT DEAD on accHOWENT of you abused him.
Tell it to ed w of PETLOSS.CON or "lighteningstrike",
dog abusin coward lying mental cases they are... you'll
be in EXXXCELLENT company.
Your dog had two acl surgeries on accHOWET
of YOU ABUSED HIM:
"I've been through this with Barney he has had both his
repaired and it was well worth the expense. Yes he has
arthritis but it's not near as bad as it would have been
if I hadn't had it done right away.
Celeste
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Date: 23 Jan 2005 08:21:07 -0800
Subject: Re: How Do I Handle Her?
HOWEDY spot,
From: "Spot" <NoSpa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005
Subject: Re: How Do I Handle Her?
> I have always used a no-pull halter
That's a choking harness, spot. Dogs DON'T LIKE
GETTIN CHOKED no matter HOWE you call it, spot.
> and it works like a charm.
It HURTS and INTIMDIATES your dog and teaches IT
to FEAR you HURTING HIM someMOORE, spot.
> You can find them at Walmart sometimes and
> most any pet store will carry them.
Yeah. But you won't find ANY intelligent kindly
dog owners using them, spot. ONLY DOG ABUSERS
HURT INTIMDIATE and MURDER innocent critters
and try to get HOWET callin THAT, trainin.
> It's a collar the 2 D rings at the bottom and a
> Yshaped piece at the top. There are 2 other
> padded strips of cording where you slide one
> under each leg from the top Y connector and
> attach to the individual D rings below. The top
> piece of these slide through the Y at the top
> and leash attaches to the top.
>
> Basically when the dog pulls it tightens and puts
> pressuer under the legs.
And they LIKE THAT, do they, spot?
> The dogs don't like the pressure
Ohhh. HOWE COME?
> and it throws them off balance as they pull harder.
And that's to teach the dog to naturally want to be
with you every place you go, is that correct, spot?
> They soon learn not to pull.
That so, spot?
Your dog AIN'T PULLIN on accHOWENT of
you're HURTING HIM. Take off your choking
harness and your dog will pull. Take off your
leash and your dog will RUN HOWET ON YOU
on accHOWENT of you're a dog abusing punk
thug coward mental case.
REMEMBER, spotty?
> I had tried everything out there to walk Barney
You mean you TRIED EVERY THING TO HURT YOUR DOG, spot.
> and nothing else would ever work.
Oh. THAT'S on accHOWENT of there AIN'T NO
APUPRIATE WAY TO HURT and INTIMIDATE
your dog, spot. THAT'S HOWE COME DOGS
GO NUTS and GET DEAD, spot.
> He would constantly pull me
On accHOWENT of you was CONSTANTLY
TRYING TO CHOKE HIM, spot.
> once I found these halters the whole walking
> experience was a joy.
That so?:
"The dogs don't like the pressure and it throws
them off balance as they pull harder."
> Celeste
And THAT'S HOWE COME you CANNOT TRAIN your dog.
And THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ
"when you post here abHOWETS The Amazing Puppy
Wizard will QUOTE YOU and leave you F'd OFF for
the last of your dignity and self respect IF you
EVER THOUGHT you EVER had any to begin with."
LIKE THIS:
"Spot" <NoSpa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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the years have went by we've come to a compromise
on some things and he's mellowed a TINY bit.
I've never had problems with him destroying things in the
house from what I can tell I seem to be the lucky one. Most
people tend to have problems with this & labs. He will stay
in the yard now but I have to watch him because first chance
he gets he sneaks out. When I lived on the mountain he
wore a cowbell outside when he was loose so I could hear
where he was at. In the house he is a velco doggie, no
matter where I'm at he has to be there. I can get up and
cross the room to another chair and he will get up and move
closer.
I have worked on the sit n stay for years and his attention
span is about 60 seconds then he's off looking for me. The
biggest problem over the years has been his antisocial
behavior with other dogs. He was attacked by another dog as
a pup and when he reached the age of about 2 he did a 360 on
the attitude and other dogs. He now thinks he has to attack
them before they get to attack him. Now no matter how big
the other dog is he thinks he can take it. I can honestly
say there are only 3 dogs that he's ever gotten along with
and that I'd trust him not to attack. One is my dog Brandy
and the other are my sisters chihuahua's. I can't figure
this one out since the one a mouthy little **** and barks
all the time but Barney puts with him.
The newest problem is he thinks he has to go everywhere with
me. Since I got a new car that is low enough he can get in
an out of easily he has a lead foot. There are mornings
when I'm getting ready to go for work that I have an awful
time getting him to go inside. He thinks he should go to
work with me....LOL
All I can say is good luck and keep working at it. Sooner
or later a light seems to go on and they finally get it.
Celeste
SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
HOWEDY spot aka celeste you pathetic miserable
stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASE,
"Spot" <spot@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>
> "Tom Ginkel" <tginkel@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:Qj7rk.252113$TT4.126285@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "Paul E. Schoen" <pstech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>
>>> Well, much to the chagrin of some folks, I tried an
>>> inexpensive "static" collar on my French Bulldog, Olive.
>> The definitive word here may be "inexpensive", which might mean that it
>> does not work at all. There are many Chinese (and other) copies of
>> working designs that only give the appearance of working, or may work
>> only for a very brief time, or intermittently.
>
> Like Paul said.......
paulie is a lyin animal murderin MENTAL
CASE, like yourself, spot <{}: ~ ( >
> you get what you pay for.
Yeah? The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, *****,
Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard
teaches folks ALL OVER the WHOWEL WILD WORLD HOWE to
pupperly handle raise an train ALL critters for ALL
behaviors NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE, to boot <{}: ~ ( >
> Go to a reputable dealer and buy a brand name collar.
So he can HURT his dog like HOWE you an paulie PREFER?
> Celeste
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
HOWEDY spot,
Spot wrote:
> She needs seen by a vet obviously something is paining her.
HOWE is he gonna RESTRAIN the dog at the vet
to be EXXXAMINED withHOWET GETTIN BIT, spot?
If the dog bites at the vet they'll MURDER IT ON THE spot, SPOT.
> Dogs in general don't act this way when they
TRUST their handler.
> aren't provoked unless they are in pain.
If the dog TRUSTED his handler he wouldn't
GRHOWEL at him and snap regardless of PAIN.
> I'd keep the kids away until you find what's wrong.
So far the ONLY thing we KNOW is THE DOG IS AFRAID.
> It could be some arthritis and after a while the
> stroking doesn't feel good and it's her way of
> telling you to stop.
Walkin away is HOWE the dog TELLS WON to STOP PATTIN IT.
Attackin is FEAR and MISTRUST not PAIN:
From: "Spot" <NoSpa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:35:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Collateral damage/bark collar
Since you are home why not get an ecollar that you
completely control. I bought one of these and used
it to train Lady for the quiet command.
She would go outside and flip out barking at absolutely
nothing and there was no shutting her up. The one I
bought has a tone button and a stimulation button with
10 levels from 1 to 10.
Some people absolutely hate these things and in my situation
it was either get her under control or send her back to the
farm. It was the best 90.00 I have ever spent.
It took less than 3 days to get through to her that
quiet meant to stop barking. I give her the command
QUIET and would tone her and she'd hesitate a second
then back into it. I would then repeat QUIET and tone
her again I repeated this 3 times before I started
using the stimulation. It took a level 4 to get her
to stop and in less than 3 days she was over it.
She now knows what QUIET means and I also used it in
training her to stop chasing rabbits. She still chases
them out of the yard but knows that she doesn't run
around the end of the fencing at the bottom of the
drive way after them.
Celeste
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HOWEDY spot you miserable lying dog abusing mental case,
Spot wrote:
> I would do like Rocky suggest
You mean matty. Rocky's his DOG. Rocky's been
DYIN of PSYCHOGENIC SEIZURES from being abused.
> along with keeping hin in the room with you at all times.
So the dog can't sneak off to have a accident?
> He should not be roaming the house if he can't be trusted.
Oh. That's HOWE COME the dog messes in his own HOWES,
on accHOWENT of he's being MANAGED and locked in a box.
> If you have to actually tether him to your chair or
> shut the door to the room you are working in do so.
Yeah, but that AIN'T gonna TRAIN the dog not to sneak
off and have accidents, is it, spot, you miserable dog
abusing mental case.
> The point is
The POINT IS you AIN'T got no doGgamened advice.
> to be able to watch him and catch him before he makes a mess and have
him
> let you know when he wants out.
Do tell? Catching the dog will make him MORE anXXXIHOWES.
> You will soon see him coming to you and ****ging
> you when he wants to go.
Unless he just stands there an does it.
> I've used this method with 3 dogs and each one of them finally got it
and
> would come get me no matter what I was doing to go let them out.
That so?
> I never did get the idea of having the dog go to the door.
Of curse.
> Since you aren't at the door all the time they
> should come to you.
Probably so. But dogs do tend to go to the door
and stare at it and then whine cry and bark. Just
like HOWE they do to their people. It's probably
up to the dog's FEELINS whether he's gonna prefer
goin to the door and whining or standing in front
of you and whining and GETTING JERKED CHOKED and
SHOCKED for disturbin you somemore.
> Celeste
These 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students
MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE A DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASE:
"Estel J. Hines" <ejhi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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Until i read the Jerry method of Bark
reduction, it went something like this
with our 11 month old puppy "Yo****"
Yo****: Bark, bark,
us: HUSH You****
Yo**** Bark, bark...........
us: Hush You****
Yo**** BARK, BARK, BARK,
it stopped when Yo**** got tired barking
We decided to try the Jerry method:
Yo****: BARK, BARK
US: GOOD Yo****, Good Boy, who is it?
Yo**** Bark, Bark
US: It's ok, good boy Yo****, We know them.
Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that.
I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
can praise him, to deal with things like this.
Thanks Jerry
ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
Papers, and learn how to live with our son
"Yo****", whom we love very much. --
Best Regards,
Estel J. Hines
==============
HOWEDY Brandy,
"Brandy Kurtz" <KraftyKur...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy
> Wizard info, so I haven't actually started
> to train yet.
>
> Today a salesman knocked on the door,
> and Pokey was going balisstic. I calmly
> go to the window to see who it is, and
> off-handly say Good Boy, It's a stranger,
> Good Boy.
> Pokey shut right up, gave me a quizical look,
> and came and sat beside my feet!
>
> OMG, I could not believe it!
>
> I was totally floored, as this has been his
> behavior since a pup. Just wanted to update,
> and Pokey and I are hitting the sack...;)
Well THAT IS encouraging, AIN'T IT.
> Brandy
The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >
> like house guests.
From: lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
25 May 2005 12:34:27 -0700
Subject: Re: Should I take the 'Puppy Wizard' seriously?
And yet, I can tell you from first hand experience that
this claim is justified (except the part about "sitting
****d", for which we have to take The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
word) in the case of two dogs who are living half the world
away from him - MY two dogs.
For instance, he told me exactly what to do when Bonnie was
barking with excitement as someone she loved was arriving,
and his advice worked... like magic!
Also, his advice about how to deal with her fear of thunder
was the ONLY thing that could calm her down.
Lucy.
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> The other day she barked at such a guest for more
> than 30 minutes non-stop, and every jostling of the
> front door know elicits a bark and growl.
"melisande" <melisand...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> I haven't quite finished reading the free chapter on your website,
It's moore than a chapter, it's a comprehensive,
total, complete, gestalt method to train all animals
to any level you desire.
> but it already worked miracles with our three dogs.
Excellent.
> The barking at the door has diminished so much that,
> well, frankly, we're stunned.
My methods work faster than any others, anywhere at
any price, including the thirty five level of medical grade
static like stimulation devices and pronged spiked pinch
choke collars our "experts" here love so much.
> We were sort of on the same page with you to
> begin with (no crates, no choke chains).
Good. Crates aren't inherently bad, only the way they're
misused.
> A lot of what you say reminds of my dad's techniques
> (he's an 84 year old dog lover,one of those about whom
> people say, "dogs really like him." He's never had a
> badly behaved dog.
Good. I've got a lot in common with folks who are gentle
and treat animals kindly.
> We'd never heard of the noise emphasis,
You mean the sound distraction and praise techniques.
> but the overall plan makes great sense.
Yes, one of my students Paul B wrote an excellent post
recently I'll include it at the bottom. It'll explain
HOWE the distraction and praise process works from his
POV as an experience handler using my methods.
> I did have a question. The hardest part for us
> to implement is the verbal praise only.
Why? That should be spontaneous and in association
with every glance towards you and every thought.
> It's so hard not to pet and stroke the dog (especially
> our seven month old).
Oh. Patting is O.K., only not in conjunction with a
thought or command, as it will interrupt the thought
process and may lock the dog's thoughts on an
inappropriate idea.
> Can you give me the rationale behind that?
It's called positive thigmotaxis, the opposition reflex.
Like if we're walking our dog and want to prevent him
from interacting with another dog, and we pull back
on the collar, that often triggers the dog to go out of
control.
As long as there's contact on the collar, the dog will
continue his original thoughts about interacting with
the passerby. Then because the dog is out of control,
the handler needs to further force restraint, making
communication with the dog's MIND, impossible.
> It will help me modify my own behavior.
Any time your dog is close enough to be patted is
fine to pat him, as long as we're not working with a
command or thought we want him to process.
> Anyway, your approach is amazing.
Yes, it's caused quite a stir here. If my methods are as
effective and fast and safe as I claim and my students
confirm, that pretty much means that all of my critics
are DEAD WRONG, and all's that's left for me to
do is shovel some dirt over them over and let 'em push
up daisies.
> Melisande
The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >
> The Sharper Image has something that is essentially
> a treat reward system for desirable behavior;
That MIGHT work but PROBABLY WON'T. Dogs quickly
learn to activate their REWARD for barkin, BY BARKING.
> I would prefer something that gives her an immediate
> physical response to train the bark out of her.
You mean you WANT TO HURT your dogs.
> I was told of something that pinched or shocked her ear.... ?
INDEEDY. You've come to the right place.
We got all kinds of EXXXPERTS at HURTING
INTIMIDATING and MURDERING their own DEATHLY
ILL and DEAD DOGS <{); ~ ) >
> I doubt a muzzle will work
Of curse not.
> (especially as her nose is tiny).
They make tiny muzzles but IT WON'T WORK
and MIGHT make your dog MOORE aggressive.
> Any suggestions?
Not really. Good LUCK.
> Thanks,
You're welcome.
HOWEDY spot
Spot wrote:
> You answered your own question.
That so?:
"Does anyone have any ideas other than to
just never have her around other dogs?"
> Keep her away from other dogs,
That AIN'T the ANSWER, spot.
> she gives no warning signs and is "unpredictable"
The dog IS predictable. She FIGHTS when she's AFRAID.
> better safe than sorry.
That so, spot?
> I had a lab/husky/cocker mix who had an "Attitude" that I can take
> anything regardless of size.
You mean he was VERY AFRAID.
> He got along with only one other dog in his life time
Well then spot, perhaps you shouldn't be givin ADVICE
abHOWET HOWE to pupperly handle and train a dog, spot?
> and even that took 6 months to accomplish.
BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAAA!!!
> I came to the realization early on that he was always
> going to be "Mr Antisocial" and always going to go for
> a fight.
On accHOWENT of you don't know HOWE to train a dog
nodoGgamenedMOORE than the other lying dog abusing
punk thug cowards and active acute long term incurable
MENTAL CASES who choke shock crate bribe and intimidate
their own dogs like HOWE you do, spot.
> As much as I hated it to do it
You just couldn't heelp yourself, eh spot?
> often he had to stay at home because I knew
> taking him out in public would be a bad idea
> when I knew other dogs would be there.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!!
> Celeste
CuriHOWES AIN'T IT, that EVERY WON of your dog
lover pals GOT THE SAME SAME SAME SAME PROBLEM
for the SAME SAME SAME SAME REASON, spot.
Wed,Feb 9 2005 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: House breaking the boyfriend,
there's going to be a fight!
HOWEDY spot,
Your idiotic questions and vindictiveness towards your
boy toy doesn't even deserve dignifyin it with a answer.
Your DEAD DOG Barny DIED from STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE on accHOWENT of YOU
ABUSED HIM ALL HIS LIFE as DEMONSTRATED in
your own posted case history:
From: "Spot" <NoSpa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:32:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Help from any vet or anyone who's been through this.
Philip,
I don't have a problem with giving him Deramaxx. He's
been on it for two years the only reason we took him off
it was due to the cancer.
NOTHING is going to cure the cancer this is the 3rd round
the mast cell cancer he has had and this is completely
inoperable and I will not put him through chemo or radiation.
I am more interested in his quality of life for the remainder
of his life. He has for years taken glucosamine & condroiten
supplements with the approval of his orthpedic vet.
Barney has had ACL surgery on both is [sic] knees and has extensive
arthritis no supplement will ever give him total complete pain
relief and I sure am not willing to use something for a month
waiting for it to work.
---------------------------
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAHAHAHHAAA!!!
HOWEDY spot you freakin dog abusing mental case,
Spot wrote:
> David,
>
> Considering you don't really know her back ground
THAT'S IRRELEVENT, spotty. The Amazing Puppy Wizard
NEVER ASKS the backgrHOWEND of the dogs HE trains
and rehabilitates ALL OVER The WHOWEL WILD WORLD
from settin right here, stark ravin nekkid and FOR
FREE, TO BOOT.
> I'd just give it some time.
You mean, LIKE THIS, spot?:
From: Eric
To: jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: just checking in..
Jerry!
You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago
regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you
know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days
using your techniques!
He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"!
Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his
head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter
of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer.
I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed
'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside
their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to
be good dogs!
Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward
to working with these guys a couple times a day...
Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned
from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain rather
than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense.
I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who beat MY ass
lol!
Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes
out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs.
A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in
training his horses- he calls it "natural horseman****p". He
is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he
repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows
any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it
(pun intended)... Too cool....
Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work!
Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard
==========================
OR DID YOU MEAN LIKE THIS, spot?:
Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500
Message-ID: uim43blqq1h...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I gotta speak up here... We've been using Jerry's
methods with our dog. We had the same problem as the
original poster has with Buzz. One day working with the
family pack exercise and practicing the recall command
with the family and she'll now go out with hubby and
daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even
refusing to go with anyone but me.
I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you
might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try the method
and *judge the results for yourself*.
Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always
comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave
it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay,
walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from
our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm
forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi
and don't wander. jh).
That's in about a week's time.
Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought
her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive
(except with her area/toys where she was possessive and
nippy).
She had been abused and beaten by previous owners,
then she was in a shelter for months. They (most of them)
wanted to give up and kill her Now she's gained confidence
and trust with us. Last night was another big breakthrough
(in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she barked just once
when she heard the front door. Great!
Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that
the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources. In my
opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves
out the bad. Works for me.
(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry personally.
I've emailed him and instant messaged him. I have not bought a
"Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.)
Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy
http://www.crneckiy.com
& http://tarot.crneckiy.com
E-mail & MSN Messenger: m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
& Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227
> It could be she was abused at some point.
You mean like HOWE you do your own dogs, spotty?
> An abused dog takes alot of work to gain their trust and eventually you
> get there.
Sez you, spot? YOUR OWN DOGS GOT THE SAME PROBLEM, spot.
> It sounds like you are on the right track with her
HE'S MADE NO PROGRESS, like yourself, spot. REMEMBER?
THAT's HOWE COME he's ASKING FOR ADVICE which YOU AIN'T
GOT on accHOWENT of YOU GOT THE SAME SAME SAME SAME
PROBLEM on accHOWENT of you JERK and CHOKE your own
dogs on pronged spiked pinch choke collars and SHOCK
them, and THAT'S HOWE COME your dogs are DYIN from
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME <{): ~ ) >
> and working with her quirks.
You mean, LIKE THIS, spotty?:
"It is by muteness that a dog becomes
so utterly beyond value."
Like a confessor Priest?
"With him, words play no torturing tricks..., "
--John Galsworthy.
Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
Their behaviors reflect
our words, actions and training quirks.
Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
> My one dog Brandy was abused by her former owner
That so? POT. KETTLE. BLACK.
> and it took me well over a year before
> she would totally trust
Did you shut off your SHOCK SYSTEM, spotty?
> and realize that if she barked she
> wasn't going to get a beating for it.
Oh? You mean, LIKE THIS?:
"Estel J. Hines" <ejhi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:w86dna9lBfNZgbTdRVn-hA@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
i read the Jerry method of Bark
reduction, it went something like this
with our 11 month old puppy "Yo****"
Yo****: Bark, bark,
us: HUSH You****
Yo****: Bark, bark...........
us: Hush You****
Yo****: BARK, BARK, BARK, .........
it stopped when Yo**** got tired barking
We decided to try the Jerry method:
Yo****: BARK, BARK
US: GOOD Yo****, Good Boy, who is it?
Yo****: Bark, Bark
US: It's ok, good boy Yo****, We know them.
Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that.
I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
can praise him, to deal with things like this.
Thanks Jerry
ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
Papers, and learn how to live with our son
"Yo****", whom we love very much. --
Best Regards,
Estel J. Hines
OR DID YOU MEAN LIKE THIS, spotty?:
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
Hello.
I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
I never trained or owned a dog before this
year.
I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.
Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.
I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.
I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.
A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.
We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he is very eager to accept our love.
So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.
His method worked for us.
I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.
Florence
-----------------------------
OR DID YOU MEAN LIKE THIS, spotty?:
"Brandy Kurtz" <KraftyKur...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:2f66e35d.0407302331.1f18b8c6@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy
Wizard info, so I haven't actually started
to train yet.
Today a salesman knocked on the door,
and Pokey was going balisstic. I calmly
go to the window to see who it is, and
off-handly say Good Boy, It's a stranger,
Good Boy. Pokey shut right up, gave me
a quizical look, and came and sat beside
my feet!
OMG, I could not believe it!
I was totally floored, as this has been his
behavior since a pup. Just wanted to update,
and Pokey and I are hitting the sack...;)
Brandy
> The best sound I ever heard every day was her
> at the back door when I got home barking for me to get that door open
so
> she could get out to see me.
BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!!
HOWER DOG LOVERS LOVE SUBMISSIVE DOGS.
YOUR DOG WAS HAVIN PAINICK ATTACKS, YOU SIMPLETON.
You could CURE IT NEARLY INSTANTLY if you knew HOWE, spotty.
> She too often stayed back out of the way either in another room or at
the
> edge of the current one just looking and observing.
On accHOWENT of she couldn't wait to SEE you, spotty?
THAT's on accHOWENT of she's AFRAID TO TAKE HER EYES
OFF YOU on accHOWENT of YOU HURT HER, spotty.
> Eventually as she got up her confidence and trust in me she started
> following me around.
DESPITE THAT SHE BARKED WHINED CRIED and SCRATCHED
THE DOOR TO SEE YOU WHEN YOU RETURN, spotty? THAT'S
SEPARATION ANXXXIHOWESNESS, spotty. SA is CAUSED BY
ABUSE, NOT SEPARATION, spotty.
> Good luck keep at it.
BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHHAHHAHAAA!!!
> Celeste
HERE'S YOU HURTING YOUR DOGS AND LYING ABHOWET IT:
Re: Anti-bark collar?
HOWEDY spot,
Spot wrote:
> Like Marie says
marie is a lying dog abusing MENTAL CASE like
yourself, spot. marie's dog Macula has attacked
innocent passersbye and is no longer welcome to
join her pals in their dog walking club and marie
just wrote in last week abHOWET her dog Macula's
EXXXCESSIVE BARKING followed by ****in in her
HOWES <{); ~ ) >
> they are a great training tool
That so? HOWE COME IT DIDN'T WORK for marie?
> and should be used as such.
You're a dog abusing mental case, spot. You
HURT and INTIMIDATE and MURDER dogs and LIE
abHOWET it.
> I purchased the PetSafe Deluxe Big Dog Trainer at www.petco.com
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
> It is not automatic like some collars that go off
> when the dog barks. With this there is a remote
> that you control. The idea is to give a verbal
> correction
You mean scold threaten and intimidate...
> followed by a tone.
MOORE scolding threatening and intimidating...
> If that does not work after you tone the dog once or twice
You mean, there's NO CONSISTENT METHOD?
> you then have the option of giving it an stimulation
You mean a medical grade static like stimulation.
> from levels of 1 to 10 depending upon the dogs reaction.
Dogs GO INSANE from gettin shocked, spot.
> I initially bought it due to her flipping out over
> a neighbor shoveling snow.
You mean you got THE SAME PROBLEM.
> After she was spooked by this she thought that every
> time she went out she had to take barking fits regardless
> of the time of day or night.
She was AFRAID.
So you HURT her.
> Like yourself I don't want my neighbors pissed off at me
You're a VERY nice lady.
> and with our hours it's not unusual to take her out at 3 am.
Yeah...
> I found that in less than 2 days with a small
> amount of stimulation she learned what quiet ment.
That so?
> I also found that her prey drive is high and used the
> collar to break her of bunny chasing.
That so?
> The first time she got away from me before I knew what
> was going on. The next morning I was waiting for her
> and she barely got around the fence and to the back
> corner before I left her have it at level 10.
You could train your dog not to chase bunnys by PRAISING her.
> This may seem cruel to some people
Not to HOWER dog lovers...
> but if it means when I yell stop that she does
If you TRAINED her NOT TO DO THAT you WOULDN'T
NEED to SHOCK her when she doesn't stop when
you yell stop...
> it's worth that little bit she had to endure.
That so?
> Just yesterday she started down my drive way barking
> at the neighbor.
See?
> I yelled Lady stop and back she came.
You got LUCKY.
> She wasn't even wearing the collar.
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!
> I rarely put it on her now.
Right...
> Celeste
"micha el" <spam_yurs...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
news:yIydnZpPsIzg6l_d4p2dnA@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
it felt like to me when I got shocked by
Hope's collar.
It felt like a bomb going off in my
hand and forearm.
--------------------------------
"Tricia9999" <tricia9...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:20021117101433.10365.00000067@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> how effective are these electronic fences in
>> keeping a dog on a property????
Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
too scared to go out in the yard anymore.
Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
because the dog got caught right in the path of
the shock and will now not go near his person,
won't go outside.
Just hides under a desk in the house.
------------------------
"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.
"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without
starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll
state my opinion once and won't defend it further:
any method can be cruel for some dogs.
Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the
beginning, but we've come a long way since then.She trusts
us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she's been
rewarded for coming, but she's never been punished, even in
the mildest way, for not coming.
Is it time for that?
What might I look for to tell?"
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
and the vet agrees.
--Lia
"J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had apointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
From: ThePetAlchem...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
3 Jul 2005 20:15:46 -0700
Subject: Re: Anti-bark collar?
HOWEDY spot,
Spot wrote:
> Like Marie says
marie is a lying dog abusing MENTAL CASE like
yourself, spot. marie's dog Macula has attacked
innocent passersbye and is no longer welcome to
join her pals in their dog walking club and marie
just wrote in last week abHOWET her dog Macula's
EXXXCESSIVE BARKING followed by ****in in her
HOWES <{); ~ ) >
> they are a great training tool
That so? HOWE COME IT DIDN'T WORK for marie?
> and should be used as such.
You're a dog abusing mental case, spot. You
HURT and INTIMIDATE and MURDER dogs and LIE
abHOWET it.
> I purchased the PetSafe Deluxe Big Dog Trainer at www.petco.com
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
> It is not automatic like some collars that go off
> when the dog barks. With this there is a remote
> that you control. The idea is to give a verbal
> correction
You mean scold threaten and intimidate...
> followed by a tone.
MOORE scolding threatening and intimidating...
> If that does not work after you tone the dog once or twice
You mean, there's NO CONSISTENT METHOD?
> you then have the option of giving it an stimulation
You mean a medical grade static like stimulation.
> from levels of 1 to 10 depending upon the dogs reaction.
Dogs GO INSANE from gettin shocked, spot.
> I initially bought it due to her flipping out over
> a neighbor shoveling snow.
You mean you got THE SAME PROBLEM.
> After she was spooked by this she thought that every
> time she went out she had to take barking fits regardless
> of the time of day or night.
She was AFRAID.
So you HURT her.
> Like yourself I don't want my neighbors pissed off at me
You're a VERY nice lady.
> and with our hours it's not unusual to take her out at 3 am.
Yeah...
> I found that in less than 2 days with a small
> amount of stimulation she learned what quiet ment.
That so?
> I also found that her prey drive is high and used the
> collar to break her of bunny chasing.
That so?
> The first time she got away from me before I knew what
> was going on. The next morning I was waiting for her
> and she barely got around the fence and to the back
> corner before I left her have it at level 10.
You could train your dog not to chase bunnys by PRAISING her.
> This may seem cruel to some people
Not to HOWER dog lovers...
> but if it means when I yell stop that she does
If you TRAINED her NOT TO DO THAT you WOULDN'T
NEED to SHOCK her when she doesn't stop when
you yell stop...
> it's worth that little bit she had to endure.
That so?
> Just yesterday she started down my drive way barking
> at the neighbor.
See?
> I yelled Lady stop and back she came.
You got LUCKY.
> She wasn't even wearing the collar.
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!
> I rarely put it on her now.
Right...
> Celeste
"micha el" <spam_yurs...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
news:yIydnZpPsIzg6l_d4p2dnA@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
it felt like to me when I got shocked by
Hope's collar.
It felt like a bomb going off in my
hand and forearm.
--------------------------------
"Tricia9999" <tricia9...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:20021117101433.10365.00000067@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> how effective are these electronic fences in
>> keeping a dog on a property????
Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
too scared to go out in the yard anymore.
Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
because the dog got caught right in the path of
the shock and will now not go near his person,
won't go outside.
Just hides under a desk in the house.
------------------------
"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.
"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without
starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll
state my opinion once and won't defend it further:
any method can be cruel for some dogs.
Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the
beginning, but we've come a long way since then.She trusts
us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she's been
rewarded for coming, but she's never been punished, even in
the mildest way, for not coming.
Is it time for that?
What might I look for to tell?"
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
and the vet agrees.
--Lia
Here is a video from Fred which I have a few concerns
about (and maybe Fred can weigh in if he sees fit), THE
SAME "FRED" that johnny would invite to heelp his
shelter dogs learn RESPECT.
This is a video about Nero being taught to get on
a skateboard.
http://www.studioonline.com/pl
ayvideos.asp?crypt=A7E284B9ABD FCE0F
or http://tinyurl.com/389al
In this video, the dog is constantly jerking his
head all around. I'm not SHORE why he's doing that.
If he's doing it because he is being shocked repeatedly
into getting onto that skateboard, then it is my
opinion that Fred Hassen is a dog abuser in the
extreme. As would anyone be, no matter how much
"experience" they had shocking dogs, nor how
nationally "respected" they are/were.
If, HOWEver, the dog is jerking his head all around
because he is happy and for no other reason, well,
then, never mind. I've just never seen this kind of
behavior from a dog before, so maybe Fred can
explain what would cause a dog to move his head
like that.
Here's a other:
http://tinyurl.com/2v9oh
> please reply and let me know what you know.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good
of its victims, may be the most oppressive. Those
who torment us for our own good will torment us
without end, for they do so with the approval of
their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis.
"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny",
Aeschylus (525BC-456BC), Agamemnon.
"Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom and right action
as separate, not the wise. If any man knows one, he
enjoys the fruit of both. The level which is reached by
wisdom is attained through right action as well. He who
perceives that the two are one knows the truth."
"Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
indeed all creatures act according to their natures.
What is the use of compulsion then? The love and
hate which are aroused by the objects of sense arise
from Nature, do not yield to them. They only obstruct
the path." Bhagavad Gita, adapted by Krishna with
permission from His FREE copy of my FREE Wits'
End Dog Training Method manual.
Force training JERRYIZES dogs, and GETS THEM DEAD.
"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not Obtain
Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
For All Handler's And All Dogs,
NEARLY INSTANTLY,
As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
You can TRAIN ANY DOG KAT or CHILD in a few minutes
to NATURALLY WANT to do ANY THING you ask if you DON'T
follow the ADVICE of the lying dog kat and child abusing
MENTAL CASES you're askin for HEELP.
You GET The Critter You TRAINED
A DOG Is A Dog;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.
ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Cir***stances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
Re: House breaking the boyfriend, there's going to be a fight!
HOWEDY spot,
Your idiotic questions and vindictiveness
towards your boy toy doesn't even deserve
dignifyin it with a answer.
Your DEAD DOG Barny DIED from STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE on accHOWENT of YOU ABUSED
HIM ALL HIS LIFE as DEMONSTRATED in your own
posted case history:
From: "Spot" <NoSpa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:32:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Help from any vet or anyone who's been through this.
Philip,
I don't have a problem with giving him Deramaxx.
He's been on it for two years the only reason we
took him off it was due to the cancer. NOTHING
is going to cure the cancer this is the 3rd round
the mast cell cancer he has had and this is completely
inoperable and I will not put him through chemo or radiation.
I am more interested in his quality of life for the
remainder of his life. He has for years taken glucosamine
& condroiten supplements with the approval of his orthpedic
vet. Barney has had ACL surgery on both is knees and has
extensive arthritis no supplement will ever give him total
complete pain relief and I sure am not willing to use something
for a month waiting for it to work.
---------------------------
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!
YOUR DOG'S DEAD on accHOWENT of you abused him.
Tell it to ed w of PETLOSS.CON or "lighteningstrike" or
jim tindall Mormon Missionary pet funeral director, dog
abusin coward lying mental cases they are... you'll be
in EXXXCELLENT company.
Your dog had two acl surgeries on accHOWET of YOU ABUSED HIM:
"I've been through this with Barney he has had
both his repaired and it was well worth the expense.
Yes he has arthritis but it's not near as bad as
it would have been if I hadn't had it done right away.
Celeste
HERE'S HOWE COME:
HOWEDY spot,
From: "Spot" <NoSpa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 Subject:
Re: How Do I Handle Her?
> I have always used a no-pull halter
That's a choking harness, spot. Dogs DON'T LIKE
GETTIN CHOKED no matter HOWE you call it, spot.
> and it works like a charm.
It HURTS and INTIMDIATES your dog and teaches IT
to FEAR you HURTING HIM someMOORE, spot.
> You can find them at Walmart sometimes and most any pet
> store will carry them.
Yeah. But you won't find ANY intelligent kindly dog owners
using them, spot. ONLY DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMDIATE and MURDER
innocent critters and try to get HOWET callin THAT, trainin.
> It's a collar the 2 D rings at the bottom and a Yshaped piece at the
top.
> There are 2 other
> padded strips of cording where you slide one
> under each leg from the top Y connector and attach to the individual D
> rings below. The top piece of these slide through the Y at the top and
> leash attaches to the top.
> Basically when the dog pulls it tightens and puts pressuer under the
legs.
And they LIKE THAT, do they, spot?
> The dogs don't like the pressure
Ohhh. HOWE COME?
> and it throws them off balance as they pull harder.
And that's to teach the dog to naturally want to be with
you every place you go, is that correct, spot?
> They soon learn not to pull.
That so, spot?
Your dog AIN'T PULLIN on accHOWENT of you're HURTING HIM.
Take off your choking harness and your dog will pull.
Take off your leash and your dog will RUN HOWET ON YOU
on accHOWENT of you're a dog abusing punk thug coward
mental case.
REMEMBER, spotty?
> I had tried everything out there to walk Barney
You mean you TRIED EVERY THING TO HURT YOUR DOG, spot.
> and nothing else would ever work.
Oh. THAT'S on accHOWENT of there AIN'T NO APUPRIATE
WAY TO HURT and INTIMIDATE your dog, spot. THAT'S
HOWE COME DOGS GO NUTS and GET DEAD, spot.
> He would constantly pull me
On accHOWENT of you was CONSTANTLY TRYING TO CHOKE HIM, spot.
> once I found these halters the whole walking experience was a joy.
That so?:
"The dogs don't like the pressure and it
throws them off balance as they pull harder."
> Celeste
And THAT'S HOWE COME you CANNOT TRAIN your dog.
HOWEDY spot
Spot wrote:
> You answered your own question.
That so?:
"Does anyone have any ideas other than to
just never have her around other dogs?"
> Keep her away from other dogs,
That AIN'T the ANSWER, spot.
> she gives no warning signs and is "unpredictable"
The dog IS predictable. She FIGHTS when she's AFRAID.
> better safe than sorry.
That so, spot?
> I had a lab/husky/cocker mix who had an "Attitude"
> that I can take anything regardless of size.
You mean he was VERY AFRAID.
> He got along with only one other dog in his life time
Well then spot, perhaps you shouldn't be givin ADVICE
abHOWET HOWE to pupperly handle and train a dog, spot?
> and even that took 6 months to accomplish.
BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAAA!!!
> I came to the realization early on that he was always
> going to be "Mr Antisocial" and always going to go for
> a fight.
On accHOWENT of you don't know HOWE to train a dog
nodoGgamenedMOORE than the other lying dog abusing
punk thug cowards and active acute long term incurable
MENTAL CASES who choke shock crate bribe and intimidate
their own dogs like HOWE you do, spot.
> As much as I hated it to do it
You just couldn't heelp yourself, eh spot?
> often he had to stay at home because I knew
> taking him out in public would be a bad idea
> when I knew other dogs would be there.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!!
> Celeste
And THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ
"when you post here abHOWETS The Amazing Puppy Wizard
will QUOTE YOU and leave you F'd OFF for the last of
your dignity and self respect IF you EVER THOUGHT you
EVER had any to begin with."
The Amazing Puppy Wizard <); ~ ) > HOWEDY spot aka celeste you freakin
lyin
dog abusing mental case,
Spot wrote:
> When you come home to a mess like this and your house is
> in pieces then you will re-think the whole dog crate thing.
Destructive chewing is an anXXXIHOWESNESS relief mechanism
caused by the dog bein AFRAID when his abuser returns EVEN
IF they DIDN'T DO NUTHIN WRONG while left in the HOWES alone.
Dogs who are crated OFTEN EXXXPERIENCE crate anXXXIHOWESNESS
but ONLY when the owner was HOWET of the HOWES <{): ~ ) >
Separation anXXXIHOWESNESS CAN BE CURED IN WON DAY simply by
DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTL PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE you
imbeciles force bribe intimtidate restrain and reinforce you
dog's BAD BEHAVIORS.
You BLAME their BAD BEHAVIORS on LACK OF EXXXORCISE or blame
the TESTICLES and CUT THEM HOWET so YOU won't FEAR your dog.
> This is just from my collie/mix in a time span of less than 3 hours.
BWEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
> In the same day she also took pictures off the wall behind the couch
and
> chewed them.
>
>
http://extra.myscrappinplace.com/scanned12x12/original/dogDestruction2%20(Medium).jpg
>
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>
> I used to think that crating them was wrong.
Yeah. That's usually what CAUSES CAR SICKNESS and FEAR OF THUNDER.
When YOU can't CON-TROLL the ENVIRONMENT like not bein able to
stop the thunder or the vibrations of the car the dog LOSES CON-fidence
in HIS HANDLER.
Offering and withholding treats INCREASES anXXXIHOWENSESS and REINFORCES
"BAD BEHAVIORS" an TEACHES dogs TO DO some behaviors TO GET the TREAT
when HE DON'T GET THEM.
THAT'LL make them DEPENDENT on GETTIN A COOKIE every time they want:
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVERY LEARNING THEORY
model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated HOWE
we escape the phenomenon that an expected reward not
received is experienced as a punishment and can produce
extensive and persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966)."
THEN YOU KILL IT TO BE FAIR.
> I grew up with many dogs none of which were destructive
You brought a dog to the P-HOWEND on accHOWENT of YOU COULDN'T
TRAIN IT to stay behind your SHOCK FENCE <{); ~ ) >
> and I had two perfect dogs before the two I have now. I could
> leave and not worry that they would chew up things. Most often them
> played with their toys or slept.
Perhaps you were only a child at when you raised those dogs. At
any rate the MAGICK is GONE ain't it spotty <{): ~ ( >
> Not these two they look for things to get into and both are out of the
> puppy stage.
Date: 2001-11-14 09:13:21 PST
"Yves Dussault" <ydussa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:3b1110ff.3798143@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Hi!
> I have downloaded Wit's End Dog Training Method...
> In there there is that trick with a toy about "Separation
> anxiety surrogate toy technique."
> Anybody has tried that... I would like to give it a try with
> my GSP (German shorthair.....pointer)
> Comments? Yves Dussault
Yves,
I for one have tried it... in fact I use this all the time. I
just used it last evening while my husband and I went
out to see "The Mummy Returns" (a horrible turkey of
a movie, but at least the house wasn't chewed from
end to end in the meantime).
Yes, it really works. :-) So do the other distraction/praise
techniques described therein.
If you are interested in the manual, you will probably want to
begin the exercises as well.
Regards,
Lisa
----------
> I have a 4 year old beagle and a 2 year old collie/mix. Just yesterday
> morning while my fiancee slept the beagle got a roll of toilet paper
paper
> and had a ball with it shredding it.
That's always fun. You can EXXXTINGUISH that in WON DAY.
> There is a reason he is nick named the shredder
Yeah. It's on accHOWENT of DOGS ENJOY TEARIN THINGS UP
and DESTROYIN HOWESES when they're anXXXIHOWES due to
your insane operant conditioning trainin methods relyin
on a MIX of STYLES to SUIT the INDIVIDUAL as ALL DOGS
are DIFFERENT just like ALL PEOPLE are DIFFERENT.
> and she's called destructo dog
And YOU are called the OPERATOR and TOP POSTER.
Top posting on email news groups is SLOVENLY ignoramHOWES
behavior used only by inconderate selfish posters <{); ~ ) >
ot to criticize, just to let you know you might be OFFENSIVE
to some folks thinkin, spotty <{); ~ ) >
> Celeste
> "Diana" <diana4920@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:1141396005.742646.71830@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > Thank you Janet but I can't seperate them. They love it other so much
> > and cuddle when they are asleep.
That's comfy.
> I've never crated a dog before.
There's NO REASON TO. Locking dogs in boxes MAKES them
HYPERACTIVE SHY AGGRESSIVE and can CAUSE SELF MUTILATION
CAR SICKNESS and FEAR OF THUNDER. Lockin Summer in a box
caused her to FEAR CHILDREN despite bein RAISED with WON.
> > Thank you for your post Janet.
janet's dog Franklin ATE her filthy undies and got intestinal
surgery over it and THEN nearly KILLED HISSELF ESCAPIN his
crate.
Franklin is DESTRUCTO and SWALLOW ANY THING HE CAN REACH.
Pretty much like her newest RESCUE puppy that she CAN'T
PLACE on accHOWENT of he's HYPERACTIVE and gotta be LOCKED
IN A BOX. Rudy has been TURNED DHOWEN by 4 families who
COULDN'T GIVE HIM THE ATTENTION HE NEEDS.
BWEEEEEEHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!
Rudy stared "e-collar" training a couple weeks ago to
hone his SKILLS at NOT GOIN INSANE and HOWETA CON-TROLL.
Like Franklin.
And like her Kat who's been DECLAWED, despite janet
ACKNOWLEDGING that declawing is CRUEL and CAUSES FEAR
AGGRESSION. Her kat ATTACKS her and PISSES on her
furniture and dogs bed when she PUNISHES the dogs.
janet's kat has been IN TREATMENT at the neurolgist
for his "SEIZURE LIKE" behavior.
janet COOKED her elderly dog when she couldn't get IT
to come in and had to stay HOWET while janet went to
work on a 105 degree day.
That ain't bad enough, her other WELL TRAINED dog
GOT RUN DHOWEN in front of her HOWES and janet had
to pay the speeding motorist for HER DOG bein IN
FRONT of him.
Well, enough talk of janet. Let's talk abHOWET YOUR DOGS:
HOWEDY spot,
Spot wrote:
> Jason,
>
> I love dogs
Is that why you jerk and choke them on your pronged
spiked pinch choke collar and shock and lock them in
boxes and spray aversives in their faces and ignore
their cries, spot aka cleleste?
> and have always had one
You've ALWAYS BEEN an abuser, spot.
> but I'm realistic
Your own POSTED CASE HISTORY will PROVE THAT
you've ALWAYS BEEN AN ABUSER, spot.
> and the first thing I do when I take them in for their first checkup is
> schedule to have them fixed.
Oh? Was they BROKEN, spotty? I mean, pryor to you
surgically mutilating and shocking and chokin them,
spotty?
> I had a beautiful lab/husky mix and had tons of people ask will you
breed
> him they always seemed disappointed when I told them he was fixed.
No, he was FIXED when you GOT him. THEN you BROKE him.
> I always tried to explain there are just too many
> unwanted puppies in the world to add any more.
That so? Perhaps you should be TELLIN THAT to
your EITHICKAL BREEDER pals and call on THEM
to declare a 5 year breeding moritorim so you
won't have to WORRY about all them unwanted pups?
> Even though Barney was gorgeous he had many problems due to back yard
> breeding.
That's EZ for you to say spot, you and your ilk
will DO and SAY ANYTHING to DEFEND your alleged
RIGHT to hurt intimidate mutilate and murder dogs.
We got EXXXPERTS RIGHT HERE who's MUILTIPLE dogs
have died from cancers and other STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES. We even got cate's Orson
who'S GONE BLIND from his three years of problem
behavior modification training and don't forget
to look up professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer's little
dog Maxie The Magnificient FuriHOWESLY Obsessive
Compulsive Coprographic Masturbator's CASE HISTORY
of CHRONIC urinary tract / bladder stone / irritible
bowel SYNDROME <{);* ~ { >
> Both of Barneys knees had luxating patella's
You mean The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME, spot. THAT'S
CAUSED BY STRESS from jerking choking crating bribing
shocking and spraying aversives in their faces and
ignoring their cries.
> which lead to extensive costly surgery starting at
> the age of 6 and due to the problems he had severe arthritis later in
> life.
Imagine?
> All of which could have been prevented
Had you NOT HURT and INTIMDATED him.
> if people would be responsible.
Yeah, like you was.
> Add on top of that the mast cell cancer
Well La, Di, Da?
No, celesete, THAT WAS PREDICTABLE. LOOK AT
THE CASE HISTORY DATA, celeste. YOU HURT YOUR
DOG AND CAUSED HIS DIS-EASES and CRIPPLING
just like robin nuttal and katrina aka white
monked CRIPPLED THEIR DOGS by jerking and
choking and shocking them.
> that we fought for the last 6 years of his life.
You mean the MuncHOWESEN SYNDROME By Proxy.
> At no time was he in pain I made sure of that
You mean other than the traditional jerking
choking shocking crating bribing intimidating
spraying with aversives and ignoring his cries.
> and I spared no expense when it came to Barney
You're generHOWES and SENSITIVE, as are all dog lovers,
that's the THREAD that BINDS you with the other DOG LOVERS
in these forums who SCREAM to KILLFILE The Amazing Puppy
Wizard EXXXCEPT for the VETERINARIANS who can't feature
LOSING 90% of their iatrogenic heelth care treatments
like your ACL surgeries on BOTH knees. Only a FOOL or
WON with MONEY TO LOSE would believe the bilateral nature
of this DIS-EASE is caused by the dog's GAIT being thrown
off with the gimpy first leg goin out on him. It'd MAKE
SENSE to a FIVE YEAR OLD CHILD but NOT to The Amazing
Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >
And NOT TO YOU EITHER, spot. YOU GOT TO BLAME SUMPTHIN
and you're PREYING we'll BUY THAT EXXXCUSE and the old
standye the PUPPY MILL FAERIE TAIL.
That's not sayin I'm IN FAVOR of so called puppy
mills or commercial breeders or factory farmers.
There's was the animal industries CAN be apupriately
handled even in a free enterprise PC situation like USA.
> but many people don't look at dogs and cats as a life time commitment.
Most folks WOULDN'T if they thought owning a puppy
was NORMALLY going to involve MONTHS and YEARS of
PROBLEM BEHAVIOR and CONSTANT REINFORCEMENT TRAINING
and CHRONIC ear skin dental urinary tract bladder
endocrine and bowel DIS-EASES. You musta spent 7-10
THOWESAND buck just treatin his DIS-EASES CAUSED BY
STRESS from MISHANDLING as you've BEEN TAUGHT by your
PET PROFESSINALS who have deprived your dog of his
RIGHT to life by advising you to jerk choke crate
bribe force intimidate mutilate and MURDER your own
dogs.
> Once the fun wares off
You mean from NOT BEING TRAINED like your dogs?
> or they become and expense
Most folks DUMP dogs in shelters because the
METHODS for handling and training their dogs
which their PET PROFESSIONALS gave them FAILS.
> they dump them off at shelters.
NO. They PAY to GET RID of their dogs so they
can be ADOPTED by another FOREVER home for a
WEE BIT OF MONEY and often are RETURNED from
their FOREVER HOMES repeatedly till the SHELTER
MURDERS them or figgers they GOT A GOOD SHELTER
DOG who makes them A WEE BIT OF MONEY HAND OVER
FIST till the cows come home.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
What a RACKET.
> Are you really ready to take on that kind of responsibility.
WATCH ME.
> If you can't afford to buy a dog you can't afford to get another one.
You mean because he won't be able to AFFORD double
knee joint replacements like you dog needed and the
prolonged cancer treatmets till you had to PAY YOUR
VET to finish the dog off in a kindly sensitive manner
as all dog lovers PREFER to havin their pets live a
heelthy ripe old age in EXXXCELLENT heelth and ****in
the bed in the middle of the night like it should be?
> It's not just food & shelter it's medical care to.
Right. It's months and years of constant
training management and vigilance.
> Hopefully emergencies never arise for you but all too often they do. I
> have had to fork out my cash at up to 1500.00 a clip for multiple
> surgeries not just for Barney but for my other pets. In all total
> over Barneys 12 years I probably spent well over 6000.00
> and I have a cat who I've probably spent close to 1500.00 for in the
last
> 6 years.
kelly aka culprit aka metta's DEAD KAT was seven
THOWESAND buck of unnecessary surgries and chronic
DIS-EASES till her dogs MURDERED HER two weeks after
she began SHOCKING them and using her to set the dogs
up to cross the shock barrier... till she FORGOT to
put their SHOCK COLLARS on and they bolted through
and ATE HER DEATHLY ILL KAT right there in front of
her JUST LIKE HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard PREDICTED
based on CASE HISTORY DATA like that of lia altshuller's
fear aggressive dog aggressive vet aggressive child
aggressive dog Cubbe began TURNING ON HER since she
first started jerking and choking IT till she went
to a PRONGED SPIKED PINCH CHOKE collar and shocking
her till she ATTACKED her ONLY FRIEND as she stood
in Cubbe's SHOCK ZONE the same same as she did when
she TURNED ON THE CHILD she'd just been PLAYIN WITH
till she stepped into Cubbe's SHOCK ZONE just like
HOWE she done to the little boy she used to play
with.
> Do you have that kind of cash or available credit
> at hand if you should need it in an emergency?
Who are you, Dunn & Bradstreet? Maybe the IRS?
> You have to think in the long term picture and overall cost.
Naah. Let's think in the SHORT TERM picture
and DON'T HURT and INTIMDIATE your dogs and
THEY WON'T DIE from STRESS INDUCED DIS-EASES
aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
> Some where I read the average cost of a dog
> in a years time is close to $400.00 and that's
> just food & routine vet care!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's ABSURD.
> Celeste
Oh, I see Master Of Deception blankman was in
this thread... let's have a look see, shall we?
> <TOTE@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:3o4akoF4567lU1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On 4 Sep 2005 00:35:48 -0700 jason@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<jason@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> whittled these words:
> > > I have a 10-month-old male boxer named Bowser, which I rescued from
a
> > > puppy mill when he was 7 weeks old. I am planning on having him
> > > neutered soon, but before I do would like very much to breed him
just
> > > once. All I would ask is the pick of the litter.
> >
> > Jason, of course you love your dog.
He's gonna surgically ***ually mutilate his dog.
Is that to keep IT faithful?
> > We all want to see our dogs go on and live forever.
Your last DEAD DOG DIED from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASES, remember Master Of Deception blankman?
> > But sometimes we have to think beyond our personal needs
> > and wants and consider also those who will be affected by
> > our decisions.
You seem to be OVERLOOKIN the DOG.
> > Look you knew your proposal was going to cause a reaction.
Perhaps he didn't read the forum long enough to
realize he's dealin with professional ethickal
breeders shelter / rescues and foster care NETWORKERS.
> > It is time to open your heart and be willing to
> > listen to, and investigate as to why there is that
> > reaction.
They FEAR COMPETITION otherWIZE they'd declare a five
year moritorium on breeding amongst ETHICAL professional
breeders, you know, "WHY BUY when SHELTER DOGS DIE" and
all that puppy breath rot, eh Master Of Deception blankman.
> > I don't expect you to agree right away. I just ask that you read
> > everything.
You mean everything BUT the INFORMATION The Amazing
Puppy Wizard uses to IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT
you and your S/N Nazis and shelter rescuers like chris
williams and flick and veterinary professionals like
sharon too and dra. carla. Oh, and of curse, YOURSELF,
Master Of Deception blankman.
> > Honestly consider not just the puppy you choose
> > to keep, but the futures of those you don't.
He can SELL them to a local pet shop or he
can PAY a SHELTER RESCUE FOSTERER a WEE BIT
OF MONEY to care for and SELL THEM for a WEE
BIT MORE MONEY.
> > Your suggestion is born from the love of your dog,
He's fixin to surgically ***ually mutilate his dog
for NO medical reason, Master Of Deception blankman.
> > not from an evil heart,
Not his, YOURS. You and your NAZI pals, the NETWORKERS.
> > but good intentions alone will not help the
> > sons and daughters of your beloved dog.
So he might as well just give up and shock
and choke his dogs like you do with custom
knitted collar cover up so your neighbors
won't SEE how you're HURTIN your dogs.
> > You need knowledge.
You PROFIT from PUPAGANDA.
> > You need to understand the depth of the problem.
INDEEDY. You're just the NETWORKER.
> > What bad thing will happen if you take the time to learn?
He'll probably BELIEVE you and your NETWORK of blaming
dogs and their breeds and their organs and hurt and
murder his dogs like you and your pals do FOR PROFIT.
> > Go down to your local shelter. Look at the dogs. Most of those came
> > from "just once" breedings. That is because the "just once breeder"
> > doesn't
> > know how difficult it is to find a puppy a truly permanent home.
Yeah. It's fortunate the shelter / foster NETWORK
will accept (*for a WEE BIT OF MONEY) the dog they
just DISADVANTAGED of yet ANOTHER FOREVER HOME.
Who are you bull****in, Master Of Deception blankman?
For you to keep up this charade you MUST be KIDDIN YOURSELF
because anyWON who can READ THE ARCHIVES KNOWS there's
a gihugic CONSPIRACY to TAKE ADVANTAGE of J.Q. Pubic
and their compassion and generousity while unwittingly
participate in BREED BAN LEGISLATION thanks to the false
puppaganda you and your NETWORKING EXXXPERTS provide.
> > They think that sincerity, and good intentions, and love of their own
> > dog are enough.
> > But 63% of dogs are given up before the age of two.
You mean 63% OF THE DOGS who've been "given up"
are less than two years old. Fortunately they've
been through all the traditional training and
veterinary care. Time to get a new WON.
> > Most of those will die in the shelter -
Thanks to you and your shelter rescue NETWORKERS.
> > big breeds die at a higher rate than smaller breeds.
That so? CITES PLEASE?
> > Most dogs in the shelter are under 2 years old.]
You've said that. When you start repeatin
yourself means you're outta "INFORMATION"
to share.
> > So - are you ready to accept the fact that you
> > will have a direct hand in creating dogs to die?
Not unless he throws in with your NETWORKERS who
MURDER DOGS FOR MONEY, Master Of Deception blankman.
> > If you do not wish to create dogs to die, what steps are you willing
to
> > take to prevent it?
He's gonna start by giving his local shelter / foster
care workers a FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual so dogs won't GET
DUMPED in SHELTERS where your PALS MAKE MONEY off of
MURDERIN them after they've FLEECED the donor for all
he's worth. Even you beg for MONEY on your vicious
worthless website.
> > Are you ready to personally house, care for, and
> > rehome each of the puppies as the original people who took them decide
> > to give them up?
You mean for behavior and STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASES like your DEAD DOG DIED FROM? Let's take
a look at your own POSTED CASE HISTORY of jerking
choking shocking crating mutilating and murdering
innocent DEAD DOGS, Master Of Deception blankman?
If the O.P. was to become a PUPPY MILLER he'd
NEVER HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER as many dogs
as you've personally been responsible for HURTIN.
> > Are you ready, willing and able to keep in regular
> > contact with these people to give them advice, sup****t and guidence to
> > reduce the risks that will
> > happen?
For WHAAAT? All he gotta do is give them their
own FREE COPY of my manual and there won't BE
any temperament and behavior or STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES which cripple and kill dogs.
> > Are you willing to accept the financial burden if
> > the poor gentics from your dog's background cause
> > or contribute to the creation of deaf or crippled dogs?
You don't know anything about his dog or genetics.
> > A little more than 10% of boxers have hip dysplasia.
HD is CAUSED by poor nutrition and STRESS just like scurvey.
> > Your dog may even have it, he is too young to properly
> > evaluated for the disease (he needs to be at least 2).
> > Do you feel any responsibilty for whether your choices contribute to
> > the increase or decrease of that problem?
He can GUARANTEE his puppys and get another
brood ***** from the city shelter where the
price will be much lower than your professional
shelter / rescue / foster care NETWORKERS earn.
> > More im****tant than the hip problems, are the
> > heart problems. As one of the two parties in
> > control as to whether a new life is created your choices dictate
whether
> > you contribute to the spread of cardiomyopathy in the boxer,
We'll have to look into the CAUSE of that DIS-EASE.
> > or whether you are working to reduce its risks?
Certainly not shocking and choking and withholding
bribes attention and affection will soothe a heart.
> > Ever have a fun happy dog you love suddenly drop
> > dead before its second birthday? Well I have,
So much for your ETHICKAL breeders.
> > and heart disease was the killer.
Perhaps it was that pronged spiked pinch choke
collar under your custom knitted cover up?
> > Sure you want a puppy out of your dog. That is normal enough.
AND his dog got the LOOKS and TEMPERAMENT for it.
> > But the cost isn't just money. It is the lives
> > of the other puppies.
You mean the ones you and your pals lock in boxes
and spray aversives in their faces and ignore their
cries till they're ****in blood and jerk choke shock
and MURDER them when they get TOO AFRAID of their own
DEAD DOGS to STOP HURTING THEM and MURDER them instead
like kwbrown done to her DEAD DOG Teena? Lucky thing
she got a REPLACEMENT from her ETHICKAL BREEDER.
> > Are you willing to take some time to learn about inheritence and
canine
> > genetics?
The last time you said sumpthin about that you was MISTAKEN.
> > Do you have enough information on your dog's background to make use of
> > that information?
No doubt he's PRETTY enough to be breedin quality.
> > What concerns do you have over the fate of the puppies you do not
keep?
He can SELL them to a puppy pet shop.
> > Any?
You don't think he'd MURDER them like you
and your pals would do to PROTECT them.
> > Because you should know that in most statistics
> > show that many if not most of the litter will be
> > dead before the age of two.
CITES PLEASE?
> > Wheter I will judge you harshly or not remains to be seen.
Yeah? He's not the bum who tells folks to jerk and
choke and shock and crate and bribe intimidate his
puppys. IN FACT, he'll be tellin them to DO EXXXACTLY
PRECISELY OPPOSITE of EVERY THING you recommend and do.
> > The question will be answered by the sincerity
> > with which you decide how you will avoid creating
> > more dogs to die.
He was just gonna change his mind after takin WON
litter and call for a MORITORIUM on ETHICKAL BREEDING
for five years so shelter dogs won't DIE.
> > --
> > Diane Blackman
You're a FRAUD a LIAR and a COWARD.
> > There is no moral victory in proclaiming
> > to abhor violence while preaching with violent words.
Sounds like you're talkin about The Amazing Puppy Wizard
QUOTING YOU and your mentally ill lying dog abusing punk
thug coward pals who HURT INTIMIDATE MUTILATE and MURDER
dogs for MONEY and call it foster / shelter / rescue and
ETHICKAL BREEDING.
> <SNIP CRAP SPAM LINKS>
Now back to you, spotty:
HOWEDY spot,
Spot wrote:
> She needs seen by a vet obviously something is paining her.
HOWE is he gonna RESTRAIN the dog at the vet
to be EXXXAMINED withHOWET GETTIN BIT, spot?
If the dog bites at the vet they'll MURDER IT spot.
> Dogs in general don't act this way when they
TRUST their handler.
> aren't provoked unless they are in pain.
If the dog TRUSTED his handler he wouldn't
GRHOWEL at him and snap regardless of PAIN.
> I'd keep the kids away until you find what's wrong.
So far the ONLY thing we KNOW is THE DOG IS AFRAID.
> It could be some arthritis and after a while the
> stroking doesn't feel good and it's her way of
> telling you to stop.
Walkin away is HOWE the dog TELLS WON to STOP PATTIN IT.
Attackin is FEAR and MISTRUST not PAIN:
From: "Spot" <NoSpa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:35:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Collateral damage/bark collar
Since you are home why not get an ecollar that you
completely control. I bought one of these and used
it to train Lady for the quiet command.
She would go outside and flip out barking at absolutely
nothing and there was no shutting her up. The one I
bought has a tone button and a stimulation button with
10 levels from 1 to 10.
Some people absolutely hate these things and in my situation
it was either get her under control or send her back to the
farm. It was the best 90.00 I have ever spent.
It took less than 3 days to get through to her that
quiet meant to stop barking. I give her the command
QUIET and would tone her and she'd hesitate a second
then back into it. I would then repeat QUIET and tone
her again I repeated this 3 times before I started
using the stimulation. It took a level 4 to get her
to stop and in less than 3 days she was over it.
She now knows what QUIET means and I also used it in
training her to stop chasing rabbits. She still chases
them out of the yard but knows that she doesn't run
around the end of the fencing at the bottom of the
drive way after them.
Celeste
These 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students
MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE A DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASE:
"Estel J. Hines" <ejhi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:w86dna9lBfNZgbTdRVn-hA@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Until i read the Jerry method of Bark
reduction, it went something like this
with our 11 month old puppy "Yo****"
Yo****: Bark, bark,
us: HUSH You****
Yo**** Bark, bark...........
us: Hush You****
Yo**** BARK, BARK, BARK,
it stopped when Yo**** got tired barking
We decided to try the Jerry method:
Yo****: BARK, BARK
US: GOOD Yo****, Good Boy, who is it?
Yo**** Bark, Bark
US: It's ok, good boy Yo****, We know them.
Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that.
I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
can praise him, to deal with things like this.
Thanks Jerry
ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
Papers, and learn how to live with our son
"Yo****", whom we love very much. --
Best Regards,
Estel J. Hines
==============
HOWEDY Brandy,
"Brandy Kurtz" <KraftyKur...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:2f66e35d.0407302331.1f18b8c6@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy
> Wizard info, so I haven't actually started
> to train yet.
>
> Today a salesman knocked on the door,
> and Pokey was going balisstic. I calmly
> go to the window to see who it is, and
> off-handly say Good Boy, It's a stranger,
> Good Boy.
> Pokey shut right up, gave me a quizical look,
> and came and sat beside my feet!
>
> OMG, I could not believe it!
>
> I was totally floored, as this has been his
> behavior since a pup. Just wanted to update,
> and Pokey and I are hitting the sack...;)
Well THAT IS encouraging, AIN'T IT.
> Brandy
The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >
> like house guests.
From: lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
25 May 2005 12:34:27 -0700
Subject: Re: Should I take the 'Puppy Wizard' seriously?
And yet, I can tell you from first hand experience that
this claim is justified (except the part about "sitting
****d", for which we have to take The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
word) in the case of two dogs who are living half the world
away from him - MY two dogs.
For instance, he told me exactly what to do when Bonnie was
barking with excitement as someone she loved was arriving,
and his advice worked... like magic!
Also, his advice about how to deal with her fear of thunder
was the ONLY thing that could calm her down.
Lucy.
-----------------------------
> The other day she barked at such a guest for more
> than 30 minutes non-stop, and every jostling of the
> front door know elicits a bark and growl.
"melisande" <melisand...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:rLo08.751$0H.535937@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I haven't quite finished reading the free chapter on your website,
It's moore than a chapter, it's a comprehensive,
total, complete, gestalt method to train all animals
to any level you desire.
> but it already worked miracles with our three dogs.
Excellent.
> The barking at the door has diminished so much that,
> well, frankly, we're stunned.
My methods work faster than any others, anywhere at
any price, including the thirty five level of medical grade
static like stimulation devices and pronged spiked pinch
choke collars our "experts" here love so much.
> We were sort of on the same page with you to
> begin with (no crates, no choke chains).
Good. Crates aren't inherently bad, only the way they're
misused.
> A lot of what you say reminds of my dad's techniques
> (he's an 84 year old dog lover,one of those about whom
> people say, "dogs really like him." He's never had a
> badly behaved dog.
Good. I've got a lot in common with folks who are gentle
and treat animals kindly.
> We'd never heard of the noise emphasis,
You mean the sound distraction and praise techniques.
> but the overall plan makes great sense.
Yes, one of my students Paul B wrote an excellent post
recently I'll include it at the bottom. It'll explain
HOWE the distraction and praise process works from his
POV as an experience handler using my methods.
> I did have a question. The hardest part for us
> to implement is the verbal praise only.
Why? That should be spontaneous and in association
with every glance towards you and every thought.
> It's so hard not to pet and stroke the dog (especially
> our seven month old).
Oh. Patting is O.K., only not in conjunction with a
thought or command, as it will interrupt the thought
process and may lock the dog's thoughts on an
inappropriate idea.
> Can you give me the rationale behind that?
It's called positive thigmotaxis, the opposition reflex.
Like if we're walking our dog and want to prevent him
from interacting with another dog, and we pull back
on the collar, that often triggers the dog to go out of
control.
As long as there's contact on the collar, the dog will
continue his original thoughts about interacting with
the passerby. Then because the dog is out of control,
the handler needs to further force restraint, making
communication with the dog's MIND, impossible.
> It will help me modify my own behavior.
Any time your dog is close enough to be patted is
fine to pat him, as long as we're not working with a
command or thought we want him to process.
> Anyway, your approach is amazing.
Yes, it's caused quite a stir here. If my methods are as
effective and fast and safe as I claim and my students
confirm, that pretty much means that all of my critics
are DEAD WRONG, and all's that's left for me to
do is shovel some dirt over them over and let 'em push
up daisies.
> Melisande
The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >
> The Sharper Image has something that is essentially
> a treat reward system for desirable behavior;
That MIGHT work but PROBABLY WON'T. Dogs quickly
learn to activate their REWARD for barkin by BARKING.
> I would prefer something that gives her an immediate
> physical response to train the bark out of her.
You mean you WANT TO HURT your dogs.
> I was told of something that pinched or shocked her ear.... ?
INDEEDY. You've come to the right place.
We got all kinds of EXXXPERTS at HURTING
INTIMIDATING and MURDERING their own DEATHLY
ILL and DEAD DOGS <{); ~ ) >
> I doubt a muzzle will work
Of curse not.
> (especially as her nose is tiny).
They make tiny muzzles but IT WON'T WORK
and MIGHT make your dog MOORE aggressive.
> Any suggestions?
Not really. Good LUCK.
> Thanks,
You're welcome.
HOWEDY spot
Spot wrote:
> You answered your own question.
That so?:
"Does anyone have any ideas other than to
just never have her around other dogs?"
> Keep her away from other dogs,
That AIN'T the ANSWER, spot.
> she gives no warning signs and is "unpredictable"
The dog IS predictable. She FIGHTS when she's AFRAID.
> better safe than sorry.
That so, spot?
> I had a lab/husky/cocker mix who had an "Attitude" that I can take
> anything regardless of size.
You mean he was VERY AFRAID.
> He got along with only one other dog in his life time
Well then spot, perhaps you shouldn't be givin ADVICE
abHOWET HOWE to pupperly handle and train a dog, spot?
> and even that took 6 months to accomplish.
BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAAA!!!
> I came to the realization early on that he was always
> going to be "Mr Antisocial" and always going to go for
> a fight.
On accHOWENT of you don't know HOWE to train a dog
nodoGgamenedMOORE than the other lying dog abusing
punk thug cowards and active acute long term incurable
MENTAL CASES who choke shock crate bribe and intimidate
their own dogs like HOWE you do, spot.
> As much as I hated it to do it
You just couldn't heelp yourself, eh spot?
> often he had to stay at home because I knew
> taking him out in public would be a bad idea
> when I knew other dogs would be there.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!!
> Celeste
CuriHOWES AIN'T IT, that EVERY WON of your dog
lover pals GOT THE SAME SAME SAME SAME PROBLEM
for the SAME SAME SAME SAME REASON, spot.
Wed,Feb 9 2005 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: House breaking the boyfriend,
there's going to be a fight!
HOWEDY spot,
Your idiotic questions and vindictiveness towards your
boy toy doesn't even deserve dignifyin it with a answer.
Your DEAD DOG Barny DIED from STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE on accHOWENT of YOU
ABUSED HIM ALL HIS LIFE as DEMONSTRATED in
your own posted case history:
From: "Spot" <NoSpa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:32:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Help from any vet or anyone who's been through this.
Philip,
I don't have a problem with giving him Deramaxx. He's
been on it for two years the only reason we took him off
it was due to the cancer.
NOTHING is going to cure the cancer this is the 3rd round
the mast cell cancer he has had and this is completely
inoperable and I will not put him through chemo or radiation.
I am more interested in his quality of life for the remainder
of his life. He has for years taken glucosamine & condroiten
supplements with the approval of his orthpedic vet.
Barney has had ACL surgery on both is knees and has extensive
arthritis no supplement will ever give him total complete pain
relief and I sure am not willing to use something for a month
waiting for it to work.
---------------------------
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!
YOUR DOG'S DEAD on accHOWENT of you abused him.
Tell it to ed w of PETLOSS.CON or "lighteningstrike",
dog abusin coward lying mental cases they are... you'll
be in EXXXCELLENT company.
Your dog had two acl surgeries on accHOWET
of YOU ABUSED HIM:
"I've been through this with Barney he has had both his
repaired and it was well worth the expense. Yes he has
arthritis but it's not near as bad as it would have been
if I hadn't had it done right away.
Celeste
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Date: 23 Jan 2005 08:21:07 -0800
Subject: Re: How Do I Handle Her?
HOWEDY spot,
From: "Spot" <NoSpa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005
Subject: Re: How Do I Handle Her?
> I have always used a no-pull halter
That's a choking harness, spot. Dogs DON'T LIKE
GETTIN CHOKED no matter HOWE you call it, spot.
> and it works like a charm.
It HURTS and INTIMDIATES your dog and teaches IT
to FEAR you HURTING HIM someMOORE, spot.
> You can find them at Walmart sometimes and
> most any pet store will carry them.
Yeah. But you won't find ANY intelligent kindly
dog owners using them, spot. ONLY DOG ABUSERS
HURT INTIMDIATE and MURDER innocent critters
and try to get HOWET callin THAT, trainin.
> It's a collar the 2 D rings at the bottom and a
> Yshaped piece at the top. There are 2 other
> padded strips of cording where you slide one
> under each leg from the top Y connector and
> attach to the individual D rings below. The top
> piece of these slide through the Y at the top
> and leash attaches to the top.
>
> Basically when the dog pulls it tightens and puts
> pressuer under the legs.
And they LIKE THAT, do they, spot?
> The dogs don't like the pressure
Ohhh. HOWE COME?
> and it throws them off balance as they pull harder.
And that's to teach the dog to naturally want to be
with you every place you go, is that correct, spot?
> They soon learn not to pull.
That so, spot?
Your dog AIN'T PULLIN on accHOWENT of
you're HURTING HIM. Take off your choking
harness and your dog will pull. Take off your
leash and your dog will RUN HOWET ON YOU
on accHOWENT of you're a dog abusing punk
thug coward mental case.
REMEMBER, spotty?
> I had tried everything out there to walk Barney
You mean you TRIED EVERY THING TO HURT YOUR DOG, spot.
> and nothing else would ever work.
Oh. THAT'S on accHOWENT of there AIN'T NO
APUPRIATE WAY TO HURT and INTIMIDATE
your dog, spot. THAT'S HOWE COME DOGS
GO NUTS and GET DEAD, spot.
> He would constantly pull me
On accHOWENT of you was CONSTANTLY
TRYING TO CHOKE HIM, spot.
> once I found these halters the whole walking
> experience was a joy.
That so?:
"The dogs don't like the pressure and it throws
them off balance as they pull harder."
> Celeste
And THAT'S HOWE COME you CANNOT TRAIN your dog.
And THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ
"when you post here abHOWETS The Amazing Puppy
Wizard will QUOTE YOU and leave you F'd OFF for
the last of your dignity and self respect IF you
EVER THOUGHT you EVER had any to begin with."
The Amazing Puppy Wizard <); ~ ) >
HOWEDY spot,
Spot wrote:
> "bizby40" <bizby40@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:c_WdnSk0mooUSYbeRVn-hA@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Now that the puppy is growing some and gaining some confidence, he has
> > taken to barking. Loudly.
> > Indoors. This is not acceptable. I've talked to the trainer about
it,
> > but I'm not having much luck. She teaches only positive reinforcement
> > methods. She says to ignore him while he's barking, and then click and
> > treat whenever he stops.
> I believe in positive re-inforcement
Indeedy. The term MEANS YOU CAN HURT THE DOG.
> but sometimes it has it's limits.
That's absurd, spot. Only dog abusers hurt innocent
critters because their "POSITIVE RE-INFORCEMENT"
always fails because when you use positive reinforcement
REINFORCEMENT NEVER ENDS because there's NO TRAINING,
only POSITIVE RE-INFORCEMENT. The OPERATOR MUST BE IN
CON-TROLL or the dog will do as his instinct or habit
dictates.
Using confusing terminology like oc an cc and positive
reinforcement is INSANE and you ain't gonna get away
with doin that no more here.
> I wouldn't automatically jump to an ecollar
Of curse you would because you don't know how
to make your dogs NOT BE AFRAID because you
hurt and intimidate them.
> at this point
All behavior problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDING
and therefor can be CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY by
simply doing EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of
EVERY THING YOU DO to your own miserable dogs.
> but when all else fails
You mean when your POSITIVE RE-INFORCEMENT fails.
> it might be an option.
Only cowards and mental cases hurt and intimidate
innocent dumb critters for BEING AFRAID, spot. All
you gotta do is PRAISE HIM and he WON'T BE AFRAID.
> In Ladys case it was the collor either worked
To make him self confident calm and unafraid.
> or I had to find her a new home back on a farm somewhere.
Because your POSITIVE RE-INFORCEMENT FAILS because
you CANNOT USE ANY PUNISHMENT if you are going to
be using NON VICIOUS TRAINING METHODS including
offering and withholding of bribes attention praise
affection or so call rewards.
> I have a collie/shepard
A dog is a dog.
> that came from my sisters farm at the age os 11 months.
That's curious your sister would be dumpin farm dogs in the city.
> She wasn't exposed to all the noises she hears in town
So what? All you gotta do is TELL THEM IT'S O.K.
Dogs fear noises because they're ABUSED and / or CRATED.
> so we had an issue with barking.
Barking is a SYMPTOM of SUMPTHIN WRONG, let's
call that MISHANDLING.
ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS
ARE CAUSED BY
MISHANDLING.
ALL Critters Only Respond In PREDICTABLE INNATE
NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways
To Situations And Cir***stances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
> I thought we had it licked
That so?
> until she got spooked by the neighbor shoveling
> snow across the street one night.
The reason she "spooked" at the neighbor was
because you'd punished or rewarded her noise
barking behavior. Behaviors that are ignored
repressed or rewarded only get worse or change
to other seemingly non related behaviors as
anxiety relief mechanisms or trainsfer behaivors.
> After that as soon as you'd take her out the door she'd start into
> barking like a raving fool at any type of noise outside
That's probably because you gave her the business
when she EMBARRASSED you in front of the neighbor
and you didn't want them to think you wasn't a
responsible dog owner not puni****ng a fear aggressive
dog into being trusting calm and confident.
> and nothing would shut her up.
Any behavior that's repeatable predictable or consistent
is EZ to change cue or extinguish NEARLY INSTANTLY using
ONLY PRAISE and brief variably alternating non physical
distraction INSTANTLY followed by prolonged intermittent
non physical praise and praise in advance.
"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
Repeat four times in four different venues and the
HABIT is SCIENTIFICALLY CONDITIONED or EXTINGUISHED
as you prefer NEARLY INSTANTLY.
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH Oxford That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive
Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific
Management Of Doggies.
"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) re****t a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are re****ted to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were
moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and learning
immediately deteriorated."
"Valette 1966 is a complete trivialization of
scientific findings. It overstates the case for
reinforcement theory. No careful researcher
would contend that operant techniques CAN ANY
THING MORE than modify SHORT TERM BEHAVIOR in
a highly controlled and limited environment
with a large number of skillful experimenters.
Certainly the most elaborate studies have shown
that the withdrawal or temprary inefficiency of
the reward system is immediately followed by
CESSATION of the programmed behavior.
LeeCharlesKelley Wrote:
>From what I've read of Jerry's method it incor****ates
a completely new model of learning, which is based (in
simplest terms) on the idea that all behavior is the
result of finding a way to relieve emotional tension.
This is true not just for dogs but all animals.
You don't believe in the validity of this
particular model of learning? You don't
think it makes sense?
Fine, I guess.
But it makes total sense to me.
And it made sense to Pavlov, too, though
not many people know this:
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior."
Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last
Student Demonstrated At UofOH Oxford, That Rehabilitation
Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management
Of Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO BLAME THE DOG OR ITS BREED:
ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Cir***stances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
You GET The Critter You TRAINED
A DOG Is A Dog;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.
ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Cir***stances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
You GET The Critter You TRAINED
A DOG Is A Dog;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.
In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
Jer 21 And unto this people thou shalt say,
Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I set before
you The Way Of Life, And The Way Of Death.
2Ki 19:6 And Isaiah said unto them, Thus
shall ye say to your master, Thus saith
the LORD, Be not afraid of the words which
thou hast heard, with which the servants of
the king of Assyria have blasphemed me.
The Puppy Prophet <{); ~ ) >
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:41:01 -0500
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."
<drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject: "time-out"
Dan, my own firm hatred of punishment has
recently been intensified by meeting The
Puppy Wizard, Jerry Howe, whose work with
dogs is marvelous.
There is a literature on harms caused by time
out, and perhaps you'd like to look at
http://www.dogydoright.com
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
"As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care."
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:
whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals,
especially animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."
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To: <pdd-aspy...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:31 AM
Subject: How does diagnosis shape treatment?
How does diagnosis shape treatment?
Nearly every week I have a visit from Jerry Howe, who
publicizes himself as The Puppy Wizard. Jerry is a
master at behavioral modification of dogs.
His fundamental bedrock is the work Pavlov's last student,
the late Sam Corson, Ph.D., did at the U of Ohio (at Oxford,O).
Sam always pointed out if the dog stopped working for
you in the lab, Pavlov and he always took the dog away
from the lab, and put him in a loving home and gave him
TLC for a couple of months, and then started, very carefully,
over again.
Jerry believes that reward and constraint focused training
is immoral. I've watched him in one short session calm
impossible dogs, just about to be murdered (oops "put to
sleep") because of their "incorrigibly" violent behavior.
Sam was one of the first people to apply amphetamine to
hyperactivity (he searched the Middle West for hyperactive
dogs); but he never lost sight of the fundamental reality that
a dog is not a human, but does respond, doggily, to dog love.
You might be surprised to go to B. F. Skinner's "***ulative
Record" and read the essay by Breland and Breland, "The
Misbehavior of Organisms".
Animals cannot be successfully trained unless the
trainer attends to the evolutionary history, the individual's
developmental history, and the environmental niche of
the animal being trained.
Yep, right there in Skinner's last and summary book.
Even with behavior mod, you must know the animal.
<snip>
Dogs or little boys, you have to know the individual
history, and the nature of he disorder.
Dr. Von
PS if you are interested in dogs, then take
a look at Jerry's work.
> Finally as a last resort
You mean when you ran out of ideas information
and methods and you HURT your dog because choking
bribing and ignoring him DIDN'T WORK because
POSITIVE MEANS "DO SOMETHING TO FORCE THE DOG"
so your SHOCK COLLAR is still POSITIVE RE-
INFORCEMENT, celeste, you dog abuser.
> I bought a remote e-collar one that I manually control by hand.
To give him confidence like praising him does.
And you think the dog don't know it's you pu****n
the big red button marked BURN.
> It was the best 95.00 I have ever spent in my life.
Because you're a SADIST, celeste.
> It took less than two days of verbal commands and few low dose zaps
Takes my students TEN MINUTES maybe less and they
don't yell bribe restrain choke hurt intimidate or
otherWIZE have POSITIVE RE-INFORCEMENT because we
PRAISE IN ADVANCE and continuously intermittently
throughout and the dog AIN'T AFRAID OF NUTHING
because WE SEZ it's O.K. and PRAISE THEM and know
what celeste?
THEY BELIEVE US! NEARLY INSTANTLY. ALWAYS.
Because THAT is the NATURE of the BEAST, just
as HURTING and INTIMDIATING and BRIBING and
MURDERING dogs is the NATURE OF THE BEAST in
you and your pals, celeste.
No wonder you FEAR and HATE The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >
I can't say's I'd blame you.
> to get her to understand what Quiet means.
You only REPRESSED her FEAR of strange noises
with GREATER FEAR of you hurting her somemore.
THAT'S CRIMINALLY INSANE.
And I can PROVE IT, to boot.
> She still will bark
Because she's AFRAID. Your dog is not supposed
to be barking at EVERY NOISE she hears no matter
what. She IS supposed to bark when she hears
something SUSPICIOUS but not EVERY THING as your
dog does. Your dog is AFRAID because YOU HURT HER.
> and she is allowed to bark
Because you CAN'T STOP HER because POSITIVE
REINFORCEMENT REQUIRES you OPERATE the behavior
in response to her stimuli. IOW, THE DOG TRAINED
YOU to push buttons and give cookies...
> but after a couple yaps when I tell her quiet she listens.
Or you'll HURT her somemore.
> The collar also came in handy when she started
> chasing rabbits now it's no longer an issue.
You had to HURT her to break her of chasing rabits?
Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
> Celeste
You might try chasin a squirrel up a tree:
"Elizabeth Naime" <ena...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
message
news:r2itp09ioneibmse2mgmf0eslc5kohb51s@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Quoth Handsome Jack Morrison
> <me10...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> on Sat, 20 Nov 2004
> 02:15:55 GMT,
>
> >What's the difference between making, say, a
> >hard-charging field-bred retriever (say an equally
> >independent Chessie) "reliably do something that is
> >completely contrary to its wiring," e.g.,
<SNIP>
> Each time he focused on her rather than a
> nearby squirrel, the reward was that they
> chased the squirrel together.
>
> The fact that his best friend and fellow squirrel
> chaser was a bit clumsly and let the squirrels
> get away didn't bother him... apparently the
> chase was the best part.
>
> Once he got the picture (not long at all) the dog took
> to running over and stepping on her foot when there
> was chasable prey about... which pretty much took
> care of the squirrel chasing problem, as she was
> then able to pick him up and/or reward him with a
> joint chase when appropriate and not too
> embarassing.
>
> A good while after this training success, she found
> that he would run and touch her foot to alert her to
> prey *she* hadn't seen yet. Which gave her time to
> pick him up the time he saw the chicken first...
>
> There are limits, obviously. You can't chase deer
> with your dog; ain't proper and the game warden's
> not gonna be happy with it.
OR YOU MIGHT TRY doin the MONKEY MACARENA.
For your own safety you gotta learn to do the
MONKEY MACARENA. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will
share leah's Monkey Macarena with the group and
give her ALL the credit for it.
It's EZ! It AIN'T hard to do.
It goes LIKE THIS... here's HOWE:
leah wrote:
"spin around and start skipping in the
other direction, making chimpanzee
sounds.
Scream "My dog has aggression issues."
They'll avoid you. > :}
"Your goal is going to be to teach your dog
that every time he sees another dog, something
good is going to happen.
So as soon as he notices another dog,
Scream "My dog has aggression issues."
They'll avoid you. > :}
you begin to praise like mad and stuff his
face with hot dogs. When the dog is out
of sight, the praise and treats stop."
SEE?
O.K., NHOWE YOU TRY?
You won't have to scream at the shadows...
You mean HURT the dog, robin. You HURT your dog. We can
SEE IT when she's doin those agility trials you can't
seem to QUALIFY in when you compete on accHOWENT of
your dog stops to ARGUE with you. And you stand there
like a big dumb marlmaluke arguin back INSTEAD OF PRAISING
and continuing with the EXXXORCISE <{) ; ~ ) >
Your dog FLINCHES on the stop line on the ramp, on
accHOWENT of you've choked or shocked her to get her
to stop on the mark <{) : ~ ( >
Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK, robin. Your dogs TELLS The
Amazing Puppy Wizard EVERY THING YOU DO TO THEM:
"It is by muteness that a dog becomes so utterly
beyond value."
Like a confessor Priest? Don't bet your dog won't
tell on you...
"With him, words play no torturing tricks...
John Galsworthy, adapted with permission from
his FREE copy of The Puppy Wizzzard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manaual.
Their behaviors reflect our words, thoughts,
actions, and training quirks. Jerry HOWE,
The Puppy Wizard <{TPW; ~ } >
> to get them to pay attention.
We DON'T GET the dog to "PAY ATTENTION" on accHOWENT OF
THAT DISAVAILS the dog of LEARNING SELF CON-TROLL, robin.
THAT's HOWE COME YOU CAN'T TRAIN YOUR OWN DOGS.
> And for some dogs,
YOu mean those BREEDS you can't train on accHOWENT
of they're HARD WIRED, robin? LeeCharlesKelley
LOVES "HARD WIRED PRAY DRIVEN DOGS" on accHOWENT
of they TRAIN NEARLY INSTANTLY when he JOINS UP
with their PRAY DRIVE JUST LIKE HOWE your PAL
elizabeth naime SEZ her friend done learned HOWE
to do, PROBABLY from WON of LeeCharlesKelley's
students.
> the initial prey rush of a specific critter
> will *always* trump any human pleading.
You mean like that Grey HOWEND who pulled DHOWEN
his elderly owner to chase a critter and STOPPED
when he realize he knocked her DHOWEN and RETURNED?
Seems you CAN'T ALWAYS use ALWAYS when talkin
abHOWET dog behavior UNLESS YOU'RE The Amazing
Puppy Wizard who's ALWAYS RIGHT on accHOWENT of
IN THE PROBLEM ANIMAL BEHAVIOR BUSINESS FAILURE
MEANS DEATH <{) ; ~ ) >
Subject: Here's A Word From C...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2002-01-29 11:53:56 PST
"Jerry Is On A One Man Jihad To Expose
And Discredit Dog Abusing Trainers"
Hello People,
Here's a word from C...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
:
Hello Fans,
As the leading dog behavior and training
guru/personality of our times, and as the
ceo of the most im****tant dogcasting
network on the planet, I think it's |
