HOWEDY matty, you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal abusin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life long incurable mental case
and professional illegal doggy day care FRAUD
an SCAM ARTIST,
You an your MENTALLY ILL pals are the single
greatest threat to dogs and society in general <{}: ~ ( >
Perhaps you should take your idiocy to alt.religion.kibology
where your LIES ABUSE and INSANITY won't be SEEN
by dog lovers here on The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy,
Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES,
And Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End
Training Method Manual Forums And Human And Animal
Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory <{}: ~ ( >
HOWE COME do you set your INFORMATIVE
posts to EXXXPIRE in 6 days, matty? Are you
EMBARRASSED by your own words, you lyin
animal abusin punk thug coward mental case
fraud an SCAM ARTIST?
matty aka Rocky EXXXPLAINS HOWE COME:
"Rocky" <2d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no
archive, and it's a shame. Once in a while, while
looking for something else, I'll run into an old post
of mine.
What an idiotic response!
Whoops.
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!
SEE??
When you post here you HURT your PALS, matty:
"Rocky" <3dogs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Fri9B2F7A7DAB900australianshepherdca@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "Beth In Alaska" <dawg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
>> Dave is pretty absurd for a dog but I can see where it
>> would work ona big hairy thing. An ironic name.
Kinda like "Johnson" as a euphamism
for "a big hairy THING", eh, matty?
> Yup, often absurd, but fitting sometimes.
"Johnson" is certainly more fittin than your pal
malinda's "TOOL", wouldn't you agree, matty?
You want "ABSURD", matty?
Your LYIN DOG ABUSIN MENTALLY ILL PAL BINACA
bethFIST jerked an choked an shocked an sprayed BINACA
in her DEAD DOG Kavik's eyes for BARKIN an he BARKED
HISSELF TO DEATH when she left IT at a boardin kennel for
a few days <{}: ~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
From: diddy <none>
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:57:17 -0500
Subject: kavik _rip
so many of the old timers remember
bethf and her dogs kavik and toklat
Many of us have been entertained by the
Kavik-cam, and videos of Kavik on Ice.
I just found out that Kavik died suddenly July 19,
while BethF was on a business trip. There was no
warning, he simply had a blood clot to the brain.
BethF is understandably very shocked, saddened,
feeling cheated, and a little bit angry.
I know many of us enjoyed Kavik for years.
I'm disheartened to share with all of you the
news of his loss. Kavik was the Samoyed.
"Beth F" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
"Hold Back The Dobie Girl So That
Izzy Can Put Simon In His Place."
"Well, actually the binaca worked but after i
got him in the eye it was not a possibility to
be using that."
"Actually, the most common use of this technique
(and it is quite common) is with TABASCO sauce
either mixed with water in a spray bottle or on a rag
that you can stick in the dogs mouth instead of spraying
(after our experience I would suggest this method if I
was going to use this technique again). My dog likes
tabasco so that didnt' work for us.
Binaca was suggested as an alternative from a very
well respected dog trainer from the lower 48, however
I don't think she counted on his flailing his head in a
desperate attempt to get away from the sprayer causing
me to miss."
"Whatever motivates the dog, but I daresay most
of the dogs I have in cl***** just aren't that interested
in praise."
"I dont' jerk or choke my dog (the little one is
too little yet for a pinch collar). They simply
wear pinch collars. It prevents any jerking or
choking on their part."
"My dog in particular will ignore the citronella if he
feels making noise is VERY im****tant (for example
this week walking through the state fair he kept barking
away, and didn't even seem to notice) but was WAY
freaked out by the low setting on the shock collar."
"i didn't EVER shock kavik. i myself have never
touched a shock collar."
"Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away
is to step on him once. Seriously."
"BethF" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:us2r444anlml3b@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "Chris Mortimer" <chr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:3dc0e5bb$0$18849@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> snip
Chris, why dont' you give one example where one
of the regulars here has suggested someone hit,
alpha-roll, choke-chain a dog?
"BethF" b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
in message
news:v4r8kkfr257e1a@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
and i often call my little dog the turd, because
he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
would insult my dog like that so i guess its just
a matter of personality.
Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away
is to step on him once. Seriously.
------------------
From: "The Puppy Wizard"
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003
Subject: Treats
From: BethF (d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: For Michael
Date: 2002-07-07 02:08:12 PST
>> I know of three dogs we tried electric shock collars
>> on and both were VERY sensitive and freaked out
>> about the shocks. None of those dogs were phased
>> by the citronella collar, particularly. It was clearly a
>> deterrent but no one behaved as if it was particularly
>> distressing.
>> My dog in particular will ignore the citronella if he
>> feels making noise is VERY im****tant (for example
>> this week walking through the state fair he kept barking
>> away, and didn't even seem to notice) but was WAY
>> freaked out by the low setting on the shock collar.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Whoops, there is more to this post - ok
>
> Here's what's accurate. You shocked, you sprayed
> binaca at your dog's face and were stupid enough
> to be "surprised" that he would desperately try to
> avoid the stinging.
>
> You citronella'd, you undoubtedly choked, at
> some point (denials notwithstanding) and I'm
> sure it got "ugly" many times in six months,
> like like it got ugly for Diddy in the six months
> before she decided to lock a "rescue" dog in
> an electrified horse stall to keep him from
> running away.
actually binaca in your mouth doesnt' sting.
it just doesnt' taste like something kavik likes.
binaca in the eyes is another story.
i didn't EVER shock kavik. i myself have never
touched a shock collar.
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
> FurtherMOORE, you went to GREAT GREAT
> GREAT lengths to blame your folly and ineptitude
> on the fact that your dog was "insensitive" and you
> went to even greater lengths to blame your folly
> and ineptitude on his "breed."
He is insensitive and he is bred to bark. I don't
BLAME any of this on him, i picked out his breed.
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
> The people who are your "mentors" and "gurus"
> are big fat brainless Alaskan sized heifers who
> will try any amount of pain or force to stop a
> behavior because they aren't smart enough to
> accomplish the task in another way.
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
> They taught you well.
Some of the folks at the club do use pain to
train their dogs, but i avoid them.
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
> > so you aren't human!! do tell Michael!
> I believe the technical term is superhuman.
> have a nice day...
I see. Are you like the bionic man?
---------------------
From: BethF (d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: to treat or not to treat
Date: 2002-01-14 12:50:27 PST
> "Jerry Howe" <jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
<news:8TI%7.10635$du.948527@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
> > And you jerk and choke your dogs on pronged
> > spiked pinch choke collars lock them in boxes
> > and call that training and spray Binaca in their eyes
> > to quite their crate anxiety barking...
I dont' jerk or choke my dog (the little one is
too little yet for a pinch collar). They simply
wear pinch collars.
It prevents any jerking or choking on their part.
I do crate my dogs - the big one only at the dog
club and to travel, and the little one so he can
become accustomed to being in a crate.
He is learning to enjoy it and to use it as a place
to rest from the playing that he and Kavik do
..
I used binaca to quiet Kavik's in class whining
that disturbed the class. It would be quite difficult
to binaca a dog that is in a crate.
I did hit him in the eye accidentally, and stopped
using it at that time. Jerry, have you NEVER made
an error in training the dogs you have trained?
How many dogs have you trained exactly?
Can you list some references here - I
would like to contact some of your former
clients to get a reference or two?
> > > "Andy" <behm_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > > news:40a09641.0201091948.784898cb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > I am just trying to see everyone stands
> > > > on treats or rewards for obedience?
> > > > Andy
> > "BethF" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > news:u3uajqi2ncoc48@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > I treat.
> > > --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop
> > > Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss,
> > > Trek R200, Kickbike
> > > Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy)
> > > Anchorage, Alaska
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
---------------
From: BethF (d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
Date: 2001-09-04 13:09:25 PST
Actually, the most common use of this technique
(and it is quite common) is with TABASCO sauce
either mixed with water in a spray bottle or on a rag
that you can stick in the dogs mouth instead of spraying
(after our experience I would suggest this method if I
was going to use this technique again). My dog likes t
tabasco so that didnt' work for us.
Binaca was suggested as an alternative from a very
well respected dog trainer from the lower 48, however
I don't think she counted on his flailing his head in a
desperate attempt to get away from the sprayer causing
me to miss.
His vet reassured me that the binaca could do no
serious damage, nor did it seem to hurt him badly -
he just wiped his eye for a minute or so until I rinsed
it out (which he seemed more pissed about than the
actual spray).
We went to the vet immediately who called me a
jewish mother and sent us home.
but I think that your *****sment of to handle barking
is based on your non-barking breeds - in some dogs
the drive to bark is REALLY big, and it takes some
big time discouragement to get rid of it.
To be quite frank after trying months and months
of different techniques the binaca was the only
thing that worked.
I wouldn't discredit the concept (although I do
most certainly discredit the binaca sprayer as
a good idea in case of issues like mine)
--
-Beth, Pseudo usenet cop
------------------
From:
"TheSincerelyIncrediblyFreakinInsanelySimplyAmazingGrandPuppyChild*****BirdyGoatFerettAndHorseyWizard"
<Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laborat...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:07:19 -0400
Subject: Re: kavik _rip
HOWEDY diddler you pathetic miserable
stinkin lyin animal murderin punk thug
coward active accute chronic life long
incurable mental case and and backyard
puppy miller / professional dog trainin
FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST,
"diddy" <none> wrote in message
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> so many of the old timers remember
> bethf and her dogs kavik and toklat
You mean BINACA bethFIST?
For SHORE!
She's a professional dog trainer just like you, diddler.
> Many of us have been entertained by the
> Kavik-cam, and videos of Kavik on Ice.
INDEEDY!
Too bad she didn't make a video of her sprayin BINACA
in her dog's eyes to break his anXXXIHOWESNESS
barkin in her OBEDIENCE CLASS <{}: ~ ( >
> I just found out that Kavik died suddenly July
> 19, while BethF was on a business trip.
He PROBABLY died from
separation anXXXIHOWESNESS.
> There was no warning,
Well, YES THERE WAS, diddler.
> he simply had a blood clot to the brain.
You mean he had a STROKE.
> BethF is understandably very shocked,
Not as much as Kavik was SHOCKED.
> saddened, feeling cheated, and a little bit angry.
Oh, you mean she's NORMAL.
> I know many of us enjoyed Kavik for years.
That so?
> I'm disheartened to share with all of you
> the news of his loss. Kavik was the Samoyed.
Yeah. Here's his CASE HISTORY, diddler:
From: YourDoggysMomma @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
6 Jul 2005 20:08:29 -0700
Subject: Re: Anyone heard from Beth Child recently?
From: "Child" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:45:22 -0900
Subject: Re: best way to stop barking
> What do you do if the dog comes
> but barks at the same time?
"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most
Of The Dogs I Have In Cl***** Just Aren't That
Interested In Praise," BINACA bethFIST <{); ~ ) >
From: lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Lucy A. Afar)
Date: 23 Oct 2004 03:12:46
Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
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> > > "Lucy A. Afar" lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote in message
> > > > > What makes you think that what the rest of
> > > > > us do is either violent or doesn't produce good
> > > > > results?
> > > > If a young healthy dog that was trained
> > > > according to one of those generally accepted,
> > > > mainstream methods is euthanized by her loving
> > > > owner and trainer, then I do have reservations
> > > > about the method AND its results, I confess.
> > > > Likewise, if - according to one of those
> > > > mainstream, generally accepted methods - a
> > > > dog's life can be saved ONLY by inflicting
> > > > physical pain on the dog, I do tend to think
> > > > that the said method is violent - wouldn't
> > > > you?
> > > > It's like someone offering to give you a good
> > > > beating in order to make you behave in a way
> > > > that allows you to live - would the fact that
> > > > the beating saves yourlife make it less violent?
> > > > Would it hurt less, or would it hurt more, if the
> > > > person who administers the beating is the one you
> > > > love most and whom you'd like with all your heart
> > > > to trust?
> > > I have no understanding how this relates to the
> > > question?
> > > Are you trying to imply that we are beating our dogs? >
> > "Beating your dogs?" No, Beth, not you - you just
> > step on your dog, to teach him manners:
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&selm=v4r8kkfr257e1a%40corp....
> > <<Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay
> > away is to step on him once. Seriously.>>
> youve' never accidentally stepped on a
> dog who is underfoot in the kitchen?
Accidentally? Yes. Intentionally? Never.
> if not, then you are either a liar, or have no dogs.
"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most
Of The Dogs I Have In Cl***** Just Aren't That
Interested In Praise," BINACA bethFIST <{); ~ ) >
I do have dogs, and I'm not lying. The way it was
phrased in your post, I understood it as you were
advising the other person to step on the dog
INTENTIONALLY - as a "best way to teach him
to stay away". I'd be too glad to learn that I was
wrong, because you were the last person I'd have
expected to be cruel to her own dogs.
The part about spraying aversives in the dog's face
is still something that I can't understand: are you
really doing that to your dogs? And is that better
than praising the poor creature when barking, thus
validating his dog behavior?
> > and spray aversives in his face, to make
> > him stop barking:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&selm=4pk56u48cmgjohk1qbkk7l...
> > << I sympathize with you - i received a great deal
> > << of hostility for not getting my dogs barking and
> > << whining under control at the dog club - apparently,
> > << I wasn't trying hard enough.
> > I was given many different techniques to
> > try from treating when quiet, from teaching
> > bark-nobark and treating, from aversives (binaca
> > and tobasco) and NOTHING worked.
> > Well, actually the binaca worked but after i got
> > him in the eye it was not a possibility to be using
> > that.>> Why not try the terribly dangerous technique of
> > praising Kavik when he barks? Do you think it could be
> > worse than binaca in his eyes?
> Because it increases the incidence of barking, Jerry.
"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most
Of The Dogs I Have In Cl***** Just Aren't That
Interested In Praise," BINACA bethFIST <{); ~ ) >
I'm not Jerry, and you know it.
I have no interest in promoting Jerry's method -except
that it works. FOR MY DOGS, yes - and much as Ilike to
think that my dogs are special, reason prompts that they
are not THAT special, or not in this particular way.
I did try praising Bonnie for barking, and by simply
going to check what was going on, by validating her
behavior (she was just warning me that someone was
coming, she was a GOOD DOG, for that) and telling her
that she was a "good dog" was NOT supposed to
reinforce the BARKING, but the idea that I knew why
she was doing what she was doing, and that it was OK.
And the fact is that this DID put an end to obsessive
barking, almost instantly. So it did NOT increase the
incidence of barking, Beth - just the contrary.
I did this experiment with my dog, because it couldn't
have made things worse than they already were - she
was barking like mad each time when someone was
passing in front of our door. And I was curious
to see if this strange method worked, in such an
extreme case. I don't expect you to believe me, but to
claim that it would do this or that without checking
and dismissing as "lies" all the re****ts of people
like me who have tried and found out that the method
worked is really not what I'd expect from an
intelligent honest person. Especially when the best
YOU can come with in order to solve this problem, is
the binaca solution.
From: Tara <tara.gre...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sat, 22 Feb 2003
Subject: Re: Bad morning (vent)
BethF wrote:
> "ThePuppyWizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote in message
> News:3E57C32F.7070...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Would you NOT spray BINACA in her eyes for this?
> You know, Jerry, it would probably behoove you to
> pick on me about something that i didn't say was the
> stupidest thing i ever did to my dog, wouldn't it?
> Why don't you choose something that i currently do,
> or something i approve of instead, because quite
> frankly this is ancient history.
Oh C'mon Beth, don't be a spoils****t. He's got to be
able to grasp at *something*.....and straws are SO
hard to come by these days.
"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most
Of The Dogs I Have In Cl***** Just Aren't That
Interested In Praise," BINACA bethFIST <{) ; ~ ) >
Tara
From: "BethF" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001
Subject: Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
message
news:81q1ptk2so6qf73kbv9smbpe21acca2q6c@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Sat, 1 Sep 2001 01:14:35 +0100, "roo"
> <r...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> >Yell quiet, walk over and spray him in the mouth
> >> >with it. He hates the binaca so it works, however
> >> >I hit him in the face once and that was the end of that.
>
> >> Geez. You're lucky you didn't damage his eyes or
> >> something. How about this: you ignore him when he
> >> barks, and praise him when he's quiet so he
> >> learns what "quiet" means. And if you're gone,
> >> he's in the house. Not too many dogs bark
> >> problematically when they're in the
> >> house
> >> Sally Hennessey
> > I get the idea that greyhounds aren't problem
> > barkers! Mine will bark anywhere, and when
> > they are lying down. They are a barky breed mix.
> > But I gave up water pistols with Rug years back after
> > they stopped working - the initial shock did shut him
> > up, then he got used to it.
> Not normally. But Greyhounds aren't the only breed I
> have, and I have had problem barkers. Northern
> breeds don't tend to be barkers either, though they
> can be talkers or rooers. I believe Beth has a
> Sammy; I have Siberians. It's true that I have no
> experience with typically barky breeds such as
> Shelties. Regardless of my level of experience
> with barky breeds, I still don't think that spraying
> Binaca in a dog's mouth (or in its face, if you
> miss) is a good way to handle barking.
Actually, the most common use of this technique (and
it is quite common) is with TABASCO sauce either mixed
with water in a spray bottle or on a rag that you can
stick in the dogs mouth instead of spraying (after our
experience I would suggest this method if I was going
to use this technique again). My dog likes tabasco so
that didnt' work for us. Binaca was suggested as an
alternative from a very well respected dog trainer
from the lower 48, however I don't think she counted
on his flailing his head in a desperate attempt to get
away from the sprayer causing me to miss. His vet
reassured me that the binaca could do no serious
damage, nor did it seem to hurt him badly - he just
wiped his eye for a minute or so until I rinsed it
out (which he seemed more pissed about than the actual
spray). We went to the vet immediately who called me a
jewish mother and sent us home.
but I think that your *****sment of to handle barking
is based on your non-barking breeds - in some dogs the
drive to bark is REALLY big, and it takes some big
time discouragement to get rid of it. To be quite
frank after trying months and months of different
techniques the binaca was the only thing that worked.
I wouldn't discredit the concept (although I do
most certainly discredit the binaca sprayer as a good
idea in case of issues like mine).
From: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:28:15 GMT Local:
Tues, Aug 3 2004 2:28 pm Subject: Re: Questions
about my new collie
"Child" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "Tess" <man...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
> message
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> > I'm trying to be good, but it's harder than I
> > thought. At the moment we are doing about 15
> > mins a day, and the regular 45 minutes at obedience
> > school. Today in the backyard he pretty much showed
> > that if he doesn't do it, it's not because he doesn't
> > know it. He sat, dropped, stayed, and recalled perfectly,
> > but the minute 10 minutes> hit, boredom set in and he
> > became stubborn.
> ten minutes is fine. five minutes two
> or three times a day is better.
BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
"BethF" <b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message
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> "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatri...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote in message
> Kyle, FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
> and i often call my little dog the turd, because
> he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
> would insult my dog like that so i guess its
> just a matter of personality.
> Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away is
> to step on him once. Seriously.
"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most
Of The Dogs I Have In Cl***** Just Aren't That
Interested In Praise."
------------------------------------------------------
From: Beth F (d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: citronella collar and ultrasonic
trainer Date: 2002-02-07 11:23:31 PST
On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:23:59 GMT,
"Lane Browning"
<rainm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>I agree about the whining, my dog isn't aware
>he is doing it either...it's like a seizure
>when he goes nuts, I can't even make eye
>contact with him, he's on some other planet.
>NOTHING reaches him.
>no, not a Samoyed. actually a breed I
>researched very carefully....sigh.
I totally understand. And the samoyed thing
was a bit of a joke - Kavik is a samoyed. I
sympathize with you- i received a great deal of
hostility for not getting my dogs barking and
whining under control at the dog club - apparently,
I wasn't trying hard enough.
I was given many different techniques to try
from treating when quiet, from teaching
bark-nobark and treating, from aversives
(binaca and tobasco) and NOTHING worked.
Well, actually the binaca worked but after
i got him in the eye it was not a possibility
to be using that.
Even yesterday Kavik and Toklat and I went for
a four mile walk. IT took about an hour. In
that hour Kavik barked basically the entire
time. Not AT anything, not because he was
insecure, unhappy or any of the
other reasons folks here are going to tell me
that dogs bark- he barked for sheer joy. BARK
BARK BARK, I AM WALKING YAY BARK.
I actually timed the amount of time he wasn't barking
and it was a total of 7 minutes in 58 minutes. And
because its outdoors, and in a place where folks aren't
sleeping,
I don't worry about it -its a good outlet for
his bark drive.
I also don't correct him when we are skiing -
but if we go fast enough, the barking stops!!
In any case, for places where its really
inappropriate for him to bark - in the car when
i am not present, or in the dog club in his
crate when i am teaching, he wears a citronella
collar. He understands that when he is wearing
it, he shouldn't bark, at this point. He
doesnt' even test it anymore. And I have
been able to leave the collar off most of the
time lately - he has learned that he shouldn't
bark when left alone in the car at people or
while in the crate.
I believe both of these are "boredom barks" -
barks to entertain onesself. However, if i am very
lax about the collar and he doesnt' wear it for
several weeks while in these situations the
training wears off - so basically i do it
randomly - once in awhile he wears the collar
as a reminder.
Quite frankly, I much preferred this method of
training to MY applying the aversive - i am not
the bad guy and he is completely in control of
the correction. Clearly he understands what
causes the correction. And I am not counting on
my own powers of timing and accuracy to create
the correction.
--BethF, Anchorage, AK
"BethF" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "Frank" <flmarc...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
<news:20020610173326.01953.00000597@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
> > > >"brianev" bria...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > > > I ENJOYED reading your book, and
> > > > AGREED with what you had to say.
> > > > I find it sick to hear what people
> > > > do with their dogs.
> > > Keep in mind that everything he says that
> > > the regular posters of this ng do to their
> > > dogs are lies.
> > > All of it. Every last bit.
> > All of it?
> > Ear pinching?
> > Shock collars?
> > Spiked chokers?
> > The regulars lie more in their denials than
> > Howe does in his accusing of them.
> Uh, Frank? Who do you see denying anything?
> Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself
> would see denials when everyone has Jerry
> killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts,
> let alone respond to them.
BWEEEEEAHAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!!
You bums can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
"No trumpets sound when the im****tant
decisions of our life are made."
Would you bet your life on that?
Don't bet on it... you'll lose.
"Destiny is made known silently." -- Agnes DeMille
You're dead wrong, Agnes.
Destiny is our divine plan carefully orchestrated and
publicly set into motion at the moment of creation.
Fate is our vehicle. There are no accidents, no
unforeseen events, just choices based on our
human nature. We are responsible for HOWE
we reach our destiny.
We control our fate, our destiny, doesn't.
Nothing happens by accident or coincidence.
Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI, marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation," dermer:
"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral
function. But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by
its neck and shake it a bit, and the frequency of the
biting decreases then you will have achieved too
things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has
decreased; and two, you have established "No" as a
conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed
above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad
Dog" to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works,"
marshall dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic
behaviorISM at UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please
visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~ } >
P.S. Contacting Dr. P:
Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.
In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length
That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.
Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.
If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavioral Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.
P.P.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!
YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!
Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS.
"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.
What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George
"Rootman" <no-...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Mini Adolph Hitler (aka megalomanic) wrote:
> <snipped>
> Something else that was completely stupid,
> ignorant false and nongermane.
> JH, you are a goosestepping, facist, brown****rt,
> terrorist sup****ting, nazi thug. YOU hurt and kill
> dogs then try and cover it up by dreaming up false
> quotes to sup****t your own retard methods.
> Go and practice your wild facism somewhere else.
-------------------------------------------------------
"(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-
tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),"
--Marshall
"If you've got them by the balls their hearts
and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
To: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and sup****t your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establi****ng a nonprofit
charity to fund your im****tant work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
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The Amazing Puppy Wizard thought everyWON
would AGREE. ALL EXXXCEPT HOWER
MENTAL CASES who continue posting their
lies and abuses.
"Iwouldn't do anything because Friday would correct
him more appropriately than I ever could. I'd separate
them or watch them closely. If I can catch them at it
before the behaviour itself becomes rewarding, I use
my marker word. If I can catch them even earlier (when
the intent to commit misbehaviour is forming in their
evil minds), distraction works.
The latter works better than the former when it comes
to their protecting me from the mailman. Management,
redirection, distraction, aversives, Paula's socks,
combinations thereof - it's all good," matt. Rocky's my
epileptic dog.
> - not "Hot and Cold" -- is a better description.
Rocky wrote:
> Lucy afar said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> >> Well hey. Get back to us when you have a dog that isn't
> >> perfect, mmkay?
> > I already HAD such a puppy: he used to bite, he used to
> > annoy my older dog, he used to make holes in blankets and
> > dig like mad right in the middle of the sofa. He managed to
> > chew to pieces a USB cable from the digital camera, a
> > cellular phone and several history books. Thanks to him I
> > even had the op****tunity to look at the inside of a
> > computer diskette. He had some other ideas of "home
> > improvement" that I couldn't agree with - like moving the
> > content of the garbage bin on the living-room carpet.
> In other words, he was acting like a puppy,
> albeit a poorly supervised puppy.
Then there must be lots of such puppies among the dogs of the
posters in this group, and they seem to be staying puppies till the
end of their days - despite all your expert training.
> > It's the same puppy that is now my perfect dog [...]
> In other words, your puppy grew up.
Within a few minutes?
Outstanding growing up process this must have been, to occur after
repeating just a few times the dreaded praise for bad behavior!
Lucy
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
--------------------
HOWE COME you don't just SHAPE your own
dogs not to EAT ****, eh, matty?
HOWEDY matty,
Rocky wrote:
> Simon said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > I have two dogs and my English Setter has
> > been eating feces, both his own as well as
> > my other dog's feces. On walks, he will eat
> > other dog's feces as well.
> This is very common.
Yeah. It's a NEUROTIC behavior LEARNED from
bein PUNISHED for ****in in the HOWES, matty.
> All I can suggest is the following:
Your own dog GOT THE SAME PROBLEM, REMEMBER matty?
> Immediately pick up the poo in the areas over
> which you have control.
You mean, INSTEAD of just TRAINING the dog
NOT TO EAT **** in just a couple moments of
using brief variably alternating non physical
distractions instantly followed by PROLONGED
NON PHYSCIAL praise, matty?
> On walks, keep him on a leash and pay attention.
THAT NEVER WORKS, matty.
> Try a different food.
THAT'S INSANE, matty.
> For what it's worth,
What it's WORTH is NUTHIN. YOU GOT NO ADVICE.
Your own DEATHLY ILL DOG Rocky GOT THE SAME
PROBLEM on accHOWENT of you ABUSE him, matty.
What it's WORTH are DEATHLY ILL and DEAD DOGS, matty.
> no matter the reason he started eating poo,
You got NO METHOD to TRAIN the dog NOT TO DO IT, matty.
> he now likes it and it's become a habit
> you have to break.
You got any TRAININ suggestions, matty?
> You probably won't have to keep him on leash forever,
You think the dog will FORGET to eat poo when IT
can't be forced and jerked and choked not to do
that someMOORE?
> just until you've taught a good recall or a good "leave it."
HOWE is THAT gonna TRAIN the dog NOT TO EAT ****, matty?
> My Rocky was/is a poo eater,
SHAAAZZZAAAMMM?
> though now only when it's winter frozen or sun dried -
BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
> both are avoidable situations.
HOWE, matty? HOWE do you AVOID FROZEN / DRIED ****, matty?
> As to watching your Setter on a 24/7 basis,
> of course that's not possible in most situations,
So you LOCK THE DOG IN A BOX, matty.
> but your *care* should be 24/7.
That so?
> That is, when he's not supervised, he should
> be in a situation where he can't do what you
> don't want him to do.
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.health
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 1 Jun 2007 16:28:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Giardia and pancreatitis
Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived.
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"Judy" <doub...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
> They have Spenser on five days of Panacur. The package
> says normal treatment is three days. Do you remember how
> long the two straight courses were? Is that sort of what
> we are doing with Spenser?
IIRC, 10 days in total and with extreme supervision. He's
always been a poop eater so was a prime candidate for
reinfection.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.health
From: bonn...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Rocky)
Date: 2000/01/03
Subject: Re: My dog eats her faeces !
lbon...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in
<84pm21$4b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
> Some people advocate adversion training.
> Seems the best thing is to do is to clean up the poop before
> the dog can get to it.
I agree. No matter what reason the dogs *starts* to eat poop,
after a while it seems to become nothing more than a habit.
When my younger dog did this, I tried many of the suggestions
mentioned in this thread and others - nothing worked. Finally,
I simply started picking up after both dogs immediately and kept
them inside when I wasn't at home. I'm now back to picking up
once a day, and my poo-eater now shows no interest in between
meal snacks.
--Matt
IN FACT, Robin followed up on her original 100% NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL RE****T with a other WON,
matty. PERHAPS you'd like to READ IT?
Subject: Re: Housetraining Question
"Tara" <notha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "Suja" <spana...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
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>> That's one approach, but calmly bringing him to a spot that's found,
>> and telling him it's very wrong, and taking him outside immediately
>> and praising the ground (teaching him eliminate on command can help
>> with this a LOT), can be very effective. So many people are afraid
>> to correct after-the-fact that the dog never gets corrected for doing
>> it!
> Never done it myself, and I will tell her.
Can't find the original post (ok....too lazy to look), but in my
experience, corrections after the fact, while not totally taboo for
those who have put in thte work and who have a clear approach
to them, can make mild coprophagia worse (dog tries to rid the
scene of evidence in order to avoid correction), if the dog was so
inclined to begin with.
I would hate to imagine what it would do to a committed
stool eater like this. Prevention is everything here, IMO.
>> *I* have done setups with an e-collar for poop eating,
>> and have found it to be extremely effective.
> That's what I was thinking. That a strong correction
> might be appropriate.
Having dealt with only a couple of stool eaters of this magnitude,
e-collars and incredible amounts of consistency have been the only
thing I personally have seen work.
I'll check with Phyllis to see if she's copme up with more creative
solutions though, as she's usually the one that ends up dealing with
the poop eaters.
I'd go ahead and try the broccoli and such anyway, though if
he's so obsessed with it that he's scouring for others' poop, the
I think the help will be minor.
Tara
----------------------
Re: Starting over
"Tara" <notha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>"Suja"
<spana...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
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> "Tara" <notha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message:
>> How has this dog's housebreaking issues been going?
>> Is he still pooping in the house?
> He went about 5 days without an accident, had one (foster's
> fault), and then has gone another couple without one. A little
> consistency goes a long way, I guess.
AWESOME!!!!!!
What finally did the trick on that one? Was it simply more
close supervision and getting him out more often?
>> Was thinking about this dog the other day, wondering
>> how he was adjusting.
> He is getting more mobile every day, appears to have lost a little
> weight, and is doing fine with the house training. For a while there,
> he was trying to bulldoze his way through baby gates to try to get to
> the other dogs' food, but seems to have calmed down about it a bit; at
> least he can be called off. The fosters' other dogs are seriously
> stressed about him, but that should get a little better over time.
> The poop eating is still a serious issue, and to be perfectly honest,
> I don't see any change WRT that behavior.
Glad he's getting better physically.
No, obsessive coprophagia isn't usually something that gets better
without some *serious* aversives. Which is sad. I'm glad you were
able to find people who were even willing to entertain the thought....
at least that's encouraging!
Tara
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Re: "****-Head" strikes again
"Rocky" <2d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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"MauiJNP"
<jmh1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> I actually broke Kanyak, our GSD-Dobe mix, of that habit.
>> The second time he did it (it was the buried guts of a
>> slaughtered sheep) I grabbed him by the collar and tossed
>> him into the shower stall yelling "banyo!" (the Turkish
>> word for "bath!") repeatedly as I washed him. Kanyak HATED
>> baths. Not too long afterwards he came across another
>> op****tunity to roll in something vile and when I saw him
>> move towards it I shouted "banyo!" and that stopped him
>> cold. There were a few more chances to reinforce the
>> "conditioning" but never again did he take a roll in the
>> muck.
> that sounds like a great idea.
It works with the right conditioning, timing, and appropriate
correction. The right timing requires that you spend time
waiting for the action to occur naturally and then apply the
appropriate correction if your dog has already received proper
conditioning.
In OTW, do that kind of stuff only if you're extremely
confortable with your dog and he's extremely comfortable
with you.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Re: Electronic collars, was Re: Dog chewing up floors
"Rocky" <2d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> But I'd say use it knowing that it's not just a stim or a nick.
> What is it if it isn't "just a stim?" (Not sure what you
> mean by nick.)
A nick is a time-limited stim. Good e-collars provide the
option for a "tap on the shoulder" stim which lasts in the
hundredths of a second.
> It's a very low level of current that has absolutely no
> potential for internal or external tissue damage.
A friend trains with an e-collar, and helps others with its
proper usage, yet not in Schutzhund where he used colloquially
positive methods to put a level one title on the youngest dog
in his club.
I strapped his e-collar on my upper arm, a sensitive area. On
the nick, I didn't feel much until he turned it up past what
he uses on his dogs. On the regular stim, it was--at the
worst--uncomfortable, but certainly not painful. The
*anticipation* of being "shocked" was the worst part,
but such anticipation is a human idiosyncrasy.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
THAT'S INSANE, matty.
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 13 Jul 2005 04:14:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Help w/Joe Joe!!!!
Tee said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> I do NOT want to lose him but if he has to go then
> its kinder for him to do it sooner rather than later.
And he'll be returned and then returned again if this behaviour
isn't corrected now. I know that you know better than to
believe someone else will give him more chances than you have.
By aversions, I meant that you may have to do more than
call him off or give him a verbal interruption. It sounds
like Joe Joe needs some immediate and unequivocal limits
that distraction or NILIF will not supply.
I would consult a trainer knowledgeable in practical
aversion techniques for some hands-on before giving
up.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 13 Jul 2005 16:55:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Help w/Joe Joe!!!!
Sionnach said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> The risk is higher with an e-collar than with verbal or
> other corrections, because the correction is harder to
> connect to the source.
Yes, but it seems that the point has been reached
where verbal corrections aren't working. Personally,
I don't think that Tara should use an e-collar unless
she works with someone with a great deal of experience.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEAAAAHAAAHAAHAAHAAA!~!~!~!
Rocky wrote:
> Robin said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
> > Jerry, you give the lying dog abusing punk thug coward
> > mental cases too much credit for the ability to influence
Naaah, The Amazing Puppy Wizard was just BAITING these lying
dog abusing punk thug coward mental cases again <{); ~ ) >
> You really are a piece of work.
INDEEDY, matty. Robin studied and followed the INSTRUCTIONS
in her FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual and RE****TED
her 100% NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS RIGHT HERE on The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums And SCHOOL Of HARD KNOCKS
And HUMAN And ANIMAL BEHAVIOR RESEARCH
LABORATORIES, matty <{); ~ ) >
You're settin in it <{); ~ ) >
> Keep this out of the health groups, 'kay?
Dogs DIE from separation anXXXIHOWESNESS, matty, JUST
LIKE HOWE your own DEATHLY ILL dog Rocky is DYIN from
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME, on accHOWENT of you're a lyin dog abusin
punk thug coward MENTAL CASE, matty, and you can't post here
abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE <{); ~ ) >
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
HOWEDY matty, you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal abusin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life long incurable mental case
and professional illegal doggy day care FRAUD
an SCAM ARTIST,
On Feb 15, 1:52 pm, Rocky <3d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Steven Fisher <sdfis...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > Inspired by the expectations thread, I'm just wondering if
> > anyone's seen "At the end of my leash." It's a Canadian
> > series, but I think it's available on National Geographic
> > as well. What did you think?
>
> I was contacted by Global TV during the show's conception and
> chose not to be part of it.
Yeah... bbbbut ttth ttthaaa bbbb BUT THAT was on accHOWENTA
you was RUNNIN AN ILLEGAL DOGGY DAY CARE HOWETA
your HOWES when you failed in your career as a electronics engineer
and became a professional lyin dog abusin scam artist <{}: ~ ( >
HOWEDY sassypei,
Welcome to The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
Simply Amazing, Grand, Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy,
Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training
Method Manual Forums And Human And Animal
Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory.
I'm Jerry Howe,The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing, Grand, Puppy, Child,
*****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And
Horsey Wizard, Director Of Trainin an Research <{}: ~ ) >
Here's my manual:
http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard/777witsendmanual.htm
There you will find ALL the FREE information you need
to pupperly handle raise and train your pets and family.
Just follow the instructions PRECISELY and ASK me if
you need any additional FREE HEELP <{}: ~ ) >
Thank you for informing us abHOWET your charitable
organization "Merlin's Hope". I got a dog named Merlin
myself, of curse~! <{}: ~ ) >
"Merlin's Hope is a Rescue - Rehabilitation center located in Eastern
Canada devoted to the rescue, rehabilitation and placement of
handicapped or blind Chow Chows or Chinese Shar-pei."
I'm postin directly to you in response to matty's reply to
your appeal so's you'll have no chance of overlookin it.
matty is a fellHOWE Canadian, WON of them PATHETIC MISERABLE
STINKIN LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN PUNK THUG COWARD NAZI
MENTAL CASES who HURTS and INTIMIDATES innocent defenseless
dumb critters and LIES abHOWET IT.
matty a.k.a. Rocky runs an illegal doggy day care HOWETA his HOWES
on accHOWENTA he's a dismal failure as an electronics engineer which
makes him PERFECT for doggy day care and trainin and competing in
and JUDGING agility trials despite that his DEATHLY ILL dog Rocky
*(the LOWEST scoring dog in his club of twenty teams) is not fit to
compete due to chronic life threatening stress induced auto-immune
DIS-EASES and a history of heat prostration from bein locked in a box
during the first hot days of the summer.
PLEASE DO NOT DISTURB the MENTAL
PATIENTS who so desperately need their rest:
"Rocky" <3dogs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "rec.pets.dogs.rescue -" <sassypei@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.health:
>
>> Fundraiser for MerlinsHope.com
>> http://www.clubequestre.com/health/YaBB.pl?num=nnnnnnnnnn
>>
>> While quantities last, get your dog a Bawdy-Gawdy hat!!!
>
> Referer directs subtract from sincerity!!!
HOWEDY matty you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal abusin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life long incurable mental case
and professional illegal doggy day care FRAUD
an SCAM ARTIST,
"Rocky" <3dogs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "Jack Dotson" <jdotson@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
>> We've caught him and have punished him for it,
THAT'S HOWE COME the dog keeps DOIN it.
Wouldn't you agree, matty??
> > but nothing seems to work.
Of curse not. Punishment ALWAYS makes behavior
problems WORSE or CHANGES them to other seemingly
non related anXXXIHOWESNES relief mechanism or
TRAINsfer behaviors.
Wouldn't you agree, matty??
> What is your method?
HE SEZ HE PUNISHES the dog, matty. Does it
matter HOWE he PUNISHES his dog, matty?:
"I wouldn't do anything because Friday would correct
him more appropriately than I ever could. I'd separate
them or watch them closely. If I can catch them at it
before the behaviour itself becomes rewarding, I use
my marker word. If I can catch them even earlier (when
the intent to commit misbehaviour is forming in their
evil minds), distraction works.
The latter works better than the former when it comes
to their protecting me from the mailman. Management,
redirection, distraction, aversives, Paula's socks,
combinations thereof - it's all good,"- - matt. Rocky's
my epileptic dog:
Subject: Lightning strikes again
"Rocky" <3d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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looks like Friday had a seizure this morning. He couldn't
stand on the kitchen floor but could walk somewhat when I
got him outside, though he kept falling down. He was fully
recovered after about 10 minutes of lying on the lawn, then
he threw up.
Prior to my seeing these symptoms, he was only out of
my sight for a few minutes and I didn't hear anything.
Needless to say, he's scheduled for a blood test.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <3d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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"grinder" <sea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
> At this point I am prone to keep him off the
> medication and let nature takes its course.
That was my decision with Rocky - grade 3 heart murmur now.
He's already taking too many drugs because of his epilepsy and
I don't want to add to that burden.
He's 9.5 years old and still going strong in agility.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Here's matty causing his DEATHLY
ILL dog Rocky to have heat stroke:
From: Rocky
Date: Mon, May 26 2003 3:39 pm
Email: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
bentcajungirl said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> What happened to Rocky?
The Alberta/NWT agility regionals were this past weekend in
Medicine Hat and it was over 30degC both days. I had both
Rocky and Friday entered.
Yesterday, Rocky just about collapsed. He'd been doing
reasonably well in the trials, just normal Rocky shaky,
like he's been ever since he started on his drugs three
years ago.
I knew that he was hot, but so were the other 125 dogs, and
I'd had him in the dunking pool a lot. Benched in shade, natch.
Before our final qualifying round, he staggered once. He's been
having rear end weakness (aka ataxia) for quite some time which
is why I moved him to a very low jump height.
When he staggered again, I pulled him from the round that
would have taken us to the Nationals.
Things went downhill from there. Unfocused eyes, he wouldn't
drink, his stomach was visibly churning, and he just wanted to
sleep. He wasn't interested in lying in the dunking pool again,
so I had him stand in it for a while, to cool through the paws,
and wetted his chin. His gums were good, as was his heartrate
and temperature, as least as well as I could estimate by feeling
inside his thigh.
Off to the van, where I put the AC on full while I called
the vet. I was told that I was doing everything right.
Then a three hour drive home, half of it though the worst
lightening and thunderstorm I've ever driven in, my van was
being so rocked by the wind that I couldn't turn around to
keep checking on him.
Rocky slept all the way, which he never does, and Friday
slept curled up to Rocky, which *he* never does, so I was
getting more worried.
The weather cleared when we were an hour outside of
Calgary and I was able to take one hand off the steering
wheel and phone the emergency vets, and they told me
to go home and watch him from there.
This is why your situation struck so close to home, Perry.
I was up until about 3 this morning with Rocky sleeping
on my ****ch in the cool breeze, and he wouldn't wake up
unless I shook him. Every time he stood, he staggered, his
rear legs wouldn't hold him up. He seems better now, he's
walking more and staggering less, but he's by far not his
normal self.
Everytime he turns, he has to sit down first.
I'm sure that he was in the early stages of heat stroke.
Heat and epilepsy drugs are not a good combination it
(obviously now) seems. I'm still waiting to hear back
from Rocky's vet clinic. His regular Doc started 2 weeks
vacation this morning.
Perusing the internet has not been consoling. Everything
that I can find indicates phenobarbital toxicity which itself
indicates liver damage.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky
Date: Sat, Jul 24 2004 1:33 pm
dogsnus said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> Hint: If you wear gl***** of any kind,you will need an
> anti-fog wipe of some sort when you step outside.
I'll be taking a handful of daily-wear contact lenses with me.
The other weekend, I did an agility trial in 100degF heat with
*only* 30% humidity (high for here). Everyone was wilting.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Subject: Re****t on the Crossover Weekend
From: Rocky
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2003 4:09 am
Rocky, Friday, my visiting sister, and I had a pretty good out-
of-town agility weekend. If one ignores vehicular mishaps.
It was a fairly standard trial format for thse parts - 2 rings
and 8 cl***** (4 standard, and one each of gamblers, snooker,
jumpers, and team). Friday was entered in everything and
Rocky in only 4.
Rocky did really well this weekend - it was the first time in a
couple of years that we had runs that were fun *and* enjoyable.
Yes, there's a difference. We always have fun, but "enjoyable"
connotes to me as achieving some sort of milestone in our
handling relation****p.
I entered Rocky into the two earliest events each day, and
medicated him after the second run - he ran without stumbling
and Saturday's high heat didn't bother him a bit.
-------------------
>> Anyone have any idea what is causing this behavior
Yeah. The dog is UNHAPPY.
>> and what we can do to stop it?
He'll have to PRAISE the dog and he'll STOP
DOIN IT - JUST LIKE FREAKIN MAGICK:
A. S. Neill, Tthe Famous Founder of The Summerhill
School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back
In The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They
Wet The Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass And Their
Behaviour Would Stop, - As If By MAGICK!
The Embry Study:
"While some may find it strange that reprimands
might increase the chances of a child going into
the street, the literature on the experimental analysis
of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention
to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of
more inappropriate behavior.
Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason
with their children about da****ng into the street will
likely to have the opposite impact. Reprimands do not
punish unsafe behavior; they reward it."
Source:
"Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to
Preschoolers by Parent Training and Symbolic
Modeling for Children: An Experimental Analysis
in the Natural Environment. Research Re****t
Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."
---------------
> Have you read any of this group's archives?
Probably not on accHOWENTA had he read The Sincerely
Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Grand, Puppy,
Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And
Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual
Forums And Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences
Research Laboratory ARCHIVES he'd KNOW you "FIRED" at
least TWO CASH CUSTOMER'S from your ILLEGAL doggy day
care for PISSIN in your HOWES.
Ooops!
He MIGHT NOT have known that on accHOWENTA you'd
set your INFORMATIVE POSTS to EXXXPIRE in six days.
HOWE COME would you set your INFORMATIVE
POSTS to EXXXPIRE in six days, matty? Are you
EMBARRASSED by your own words, you lyin
animal abusin punk thug coward mental case
fraud an SCAM ARTIST?
matty aka Rocky EXXXPLAINS HOWE COME:
"Rocky" <2dogs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no
archive, and it's a shame. Once in a while, while
looking for something else, I'll run into an old post
of mine. What an idiotic response! Whoops.
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!
LikeWIZE he'd of KNOWN BETTER than to ask the pathetic
miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug coward
active accute chronic life long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
MENTAL CASES like yourself who's own dogs GOT THE SAME
PROBLEM that you can't cure:
Subject: Re: Dog Urinating on Beds
Friday, December 21, 2007
"Rocky" <3dogs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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lindaofah
<lindaofah@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> Almost seems to be passive
> aggressive behavior but dog has very sweet disposition.
Certainly not passive aggressive.
> Any thoughts or suggestions?
She's getting old - relaxing/atrophy/loss of control of those
muscles can result in leakage. Sometimes it's dif****lt to
diagnose getting-old stuff.
Since you and your vet have effectively ruled out non age-
related medical reasons, you may only be left with management,
like plastic linings on the things on which she likes to sleep.
I went through similar issues with a dog of the same age. Her's
turned out to be severely sore hips so couldn't finish the job
in the normal manner and leaked later (my solution was to steady
her while she squatted). Good luck, and have patience.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
AND THEN YOU MURDERERD HER.
> I ask because this is a common problem.
Naaah?
Well then, matty, you probably got ALL the INFORMATION
and ADVICE Jack NEEDS, eh? Go ahead, matty, give Jack
your beast advice... MAKE MY DAY!
>> He's a male dog and just a little over a year old.
>> He just started doing this the past couple of months.
>
> What is this dog's history?
That's IRRELEVENT, matty.
> Has your son had him since it was a puppy?
That's IRRELEVENT, matty.
> Is the dog neutered?
Surgical ***ual mutilation INCREASES HOWEsbreakin problems
and it wouldn't have NO bearin on the dog ****IN on his bed
EXXXCEPT that surgical ***ual mutilation would INCREASE
FEAR and anXXXIHOWESNESS and CAUSE it.
> What kind of training has he had?
THAT'S likely to CAUSE the PROBLEM, matty.
> Has he been checked for any physical problems
> which may lead to elimination problems?
THERE AIN'T NO physical problem that'd cause the dog
to both **** and PISS in his beds, ARE THERE, matty.
>Are there, or have there been, any other dogs in the households?
That's IRRELEVENT, matty.
You're a liar a dog abuser a coward and mental case:
Rocky wrote:
> Robin said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
> > Jerry, you give the lying dog abusing punk thug coward
> > mental cases too much credit for the ability to influence
Naaah, The Amazing Puppy Wizard was just BAITING these lying
dog abusing punk thug coward mental cases again <{); ~ ) >
> You really are a piece of work.
INDEEDY, matty. Robin studied and followed the INSTRUCTIONS
in her FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual and RE****TED
her 100% NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS RIGHT HERE on The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums And SCHOOL Of HARD KNOCKS
And HUMAN And ANIMAL BEHAVIOR RESEARCH
LABORATORIES, matty <{); ~ ) >
You're settin in it <{); ~ ) >
> Keep this out of the health groups, 'kay?
Dogs DIE from separation anXXXIHOWESNESS, matty, JUST
LIKE HOWE your own DEATHLY ILL dog Rocky is DYIN from
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME, on accHOWENT of you're a lyin dog abusin
punk thug coward MENTAL CASE, matty, and you can't post here
abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE <{); ~ ) >
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2dogs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Fri9927CEBBE142Aaustralianshepherdca@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boss <janet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> I think a lot of dogs, particularly terrier breeds, don't
> belong in large group play environments. Actually, the
> more I think about dog parks and open day cares (not home
> situations and well organized care such as Matt provides),
I seem to get a lot of terriers here. Me and mine are great
with them - I set limits, Friday is the bad cop, Rocky is the
good cop.
> the less I like them and think they are recipes for
> disaster.
I've lost a couple of clients because my rules and people skills
are direct. I can envision disaster and I'd rather not deal
with it.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Re: "****-Head" strikes again
"Rocky" <2dogs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Fri988D833CAEB57australianshepherdca@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"MauiJNP"
<jmh1116@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> I actually broke Kanyak, our GSD-Dobe mix, of that habit.
>> The second time he did it (it was the buried guts of a
>> slaughtered sheep) I grabbed him by the collar and tossed
>> him into the shower stall yelling "banyo!" (the Turkish
>> word for "bath!") repeatedly as I washed him. Kanyak HATED
>> baths. Not too long afterwards he came across another
>> op****tunity to roll in something vile and when I saw him
>> move towards it I shouted "banyo!" and that stopped him
>> cold. There were a few more chances to reinforce the
>> "conditioning" but never again did he take a roll in the
>> muck.
> that sounds like a great idea.
It works with the right conditioning, timing, and appropriate
correction. The right timing requires that you spend time
waiting for the action to occur naturally and then apply the
appropriate correction if your dog has already received proper
conditioning.
In OTW, do that kind of stuff only if you're extremely
confortable with your dog and he's extremely comfortable
with you.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
HOWEDY matty you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal abusin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life long incurable mental case
and professional illegal doggy day care FRAUD
an SCAM ARTIST,
Subject: Re: Prong collar convert
"Rocky" <3dogs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "Many Dogs \(flick\)" <many_dogs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
>> It's an excellent but misunderstood tool.
Yeah? You mean, accordin to all the pathetic miserable
stinkin lyin animal murderin child abusin punk thug
coward active accute chronic life long incurable malignant
mental cases who can't train their own dogs and can't even
MURDER them successfully even with the heelp of their
veterinary malpracticioners.
> It's my tool of choice for those willing to make a choice.
That so? Lucky thing they're not a midevil pain fear force and
intimidation device otherWIZE you'd NEVER recommend it.
> Normally, the dogs I see have had their owners told:
> Only a Gentle Leader,
The "Gentle Leader" AIN'T GENTLE and it AIN'T a
"LEADER", it's a pain fear force and intimidation advice
when used EXXACTLY as INSTRUCTED by the
manufacturer <{}: ~ ( >
> or Only a chain.
A slip choke chain AIN'T suppHOWESED to be used
to STRANGLE the dog. It's suppHOWESED to be used
to JERK and CHOKE the dog a la cesar millans' "ILLUSION
COLLAR" <{}: ~ ( >
>> Let the flames begin.
Not necessary. You dog abusin mental cases are flamin yourselves.
> Why?
You mean 'HOWE COME', matty <{}: ~ ( >
> Most people here recognise the utility of a properly used training
aid.
INDEED? Seems "MOST PEOPLE" here can't train their
own dogs and they DIE from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASES like your own dogs got, matty <{}: ~ ( >
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
HOWEDY matty you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal abusin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life long incurable mental case
and professional illegal doggy day care FRAUD
an SCAM ARTIST,
"Rocky" <3dogs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Fri99DF6C14CAC7Faustralianshepherdca@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Julia Altshuler <jaltshuler@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
>>> Go to training cl***** and let them show you.
>>
>> Yes. That's a big subject to type on usenet. I'd start
>> with the library for some ideas, then go to an obedience
>> class for hands on advice and demonstration.
liea is your own PERSONAL REAL LIFE FRIEND, ain't she,
matty? AIN'T liea a liar a dog abuser a coward and MENTAL
CASE, just based on her own POSTED CASE HISTORY, matty?
"You're JUDGED BY the company you keep. When you lie
with PIGS you'll awaken STINKIN like 'em," The Puppy
Wizards' DADDY <{}: ~ ( >
> I'd reverse the order.
That so, matty? You SEZ "it's all good", don't you?
"You're ONLY as good as your WORD. When you GET
BAGGED for LYIN, you're MARKED FOR LIFE," The
Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{}: ~ ( >
> Training first, from a book second.
HOWE COME would you NEED to read a BOOK if
you already TRAINED your dog, matty? Might THAT
be on accHOWENTA your "OBEDIENCE TRAINING"
FAILED AGAIN, matty?
Don't you SELL "OBEDIENCE TRAINING LESSONS", matty?
Perhaps Jack should READ THIS, first, eh, matty?:
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
>> I do know that hitting, hurting your dog
>> will often make the dog either aggressive
>> or a fear biter, neither of which we want
>> to do.
>
> And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
> No matter what Jerry Howe states.
>
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> doubt, please provide a quote (an
> original quote, not from one of Jerry
> Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> shows a regular poster promoting or
> using an abusive form of training.
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> What's the point, but: Refer me to those posts of
> which you have read so many. While you're going
> through them, point out those which recommend
> shocking, and pinching, and beating. Thank you.
> --
> -Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
> Rocky wrote:
> "Deltones" <vibrov...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > After your defense of "Limited" choking, what
> > would be the point? Where I come from, choking
> > is choking. It's never limited.
>
> So, you can't point out abuse where none occurs.
> Thank you for your contribution.
> -Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
HOWEDY matty you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
animal abusin punk thug coward active acute chronic
life long incurable mental case and professional illegal
doggy day care FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST,
On Mar 19, 2:01 pm, Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> "JoHNY" <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > I'm not really sure about using one,
>> they seem a little brutal to me.
Of curse, shockin dogs AIN'T AS BRUTAL as
just jerkin an chokin them on your pronged spiked
pinch choke collars and neck twisters <{}: ~ ) >
> A cheap e-collar can be brutal,
That's ABSURD, matty. A cheap SHOCK COLLAR
relies on THE SAME medical grade static like stimulation.
> as can a good one in the wrong hands.
You mean in the hands of a "DOG TRAINER" who CAN'T
TRAIN A DOG withHOWET HURTIN them, matty?
> Do you have a plan as to how you'd train
> with an e-collar?
You got any TRAININ TIPS, matty?
From: Rocky <3da...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 16 Aug 2002 18:40:54 GMT
Subject: Re: training a dog...
nancyj wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> The pressure meant a GOOD possibility if she could
> just push up hard enough, I'd understand. I did
> eventually <G>. I switched to a light tap!
Yup, once a dog learns to sit, a light tap
works as a reminder when they "forget".
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
THANK YOU!
> What training methods have you tried so far?
He's PROBABLY tried the usual jerkin chokin
bribin an intimidatin, wouldn't you think, eh matty?
Oh, ALMOST FORGOT, noWON DOES that here!:
From: Rocky (2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: How to handle aggressive situations
Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST
Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> I try really hard not to yell. The times that I have,
> Solo joined in and then lunged to the end of the
> leash.
Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
others' dogs at agility trials or training.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
---------------
Sometimes my "voice of god" startles human
and dog, especially when the human didn't
see the inappropriate behaviour. --Matt.
Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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Rosa Palmén wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> Anybody else got bilingual dogs?
Long ago my Hebrew was pretty good - but now I
only use "Chutza"(throat clearing 'ch') - "Out" when
it's reallyreally im****tant that my dogs get away from
something.
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp
Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't
Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't Take It. I Still
Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My
Cat," Melanie Lee Chang * mch...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Canine Behavioral Genetics Project
University of California, San Francisco
http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 10 Jun 2003 18:00:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Absolutely abysmal agility day
Robin Nuttall said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> One of the things that frustrates me the most about
> agility is that people seem to think that ALL dogs
> are fragile, shrinking flowers who cannot be
> corrected in any way.
Well, maybe one day -- when Friday doesn't take
correction so much to heart -- I'll try something
different. Right now, he's just getting the confidence
to work a few jumps ahead of me.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"I crate Rocky, even though he's 8.5 years old, but
only when I'm gone during summertime days - maybe
an hour at the most.
(Other than hot days, my dogs are always with me.)
While Friday has been totally reliable unsupervised
from the day I got him from a rescue, Rocky has not.
Rocky will go looking for food even in areas where
there's no possibility of food.
The good thing is that he likes his crate, runs for
it when I ask, and gets food when he's in it.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Subject: "Read any good books, lately?"
From: Rocky
Date: Tues, Apr 4 2000 12:00 am
Interesting. In the past, Rocky has enjoyed the
classics, most notably a 150 year old leather-bound
edition of the "Count of Monte Cristo".
It was slow going at first, but once he
got into it he couldn't put it down.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!
Re: Crate training questions...
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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Nuttall <robi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> One day you may do better than your poor three week
>> benchbark. Keep at it, keep learning, and keep an open
>> mind.
> It really does depend on the dog. I've housebroken dogs in
> 1-2 weeks; Zipper took 4 months of hard slog. A lot of it
> is being organized and hyper aware of the dog at all times.
I agree. I thought that the post I was responding to was
somewhat condescending, so I did the same. I should have
stopped my reply after the first paragraph.
Still, I think that Antares should keep an open mind
towards crates. Heck, we still haven't gotten into all
their other wonderful uses.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Re: Crate training questions...
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Janet B <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>>Given the total freedom of the house and total access to
>>me, my dogs slept all day, sometimes in their crates. Oh
>>yeah, crating them during the day is so cruel! Why, it
>>forces them to, um, do what they were doing anyway?
> And they got up and stretched, looked out the window,
> etc, and then went back to sleeping, right?
Uncrated, my crated dog may have done all those things.
Balance missing those activities vs. the resulting lack of
distruction (and potential danger) and all of the activities
we did outside of Monday to Friday 8 to 5.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Re: Question from Newbie re toilet training
From: Rocky (mbon...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Leg Humper
Date: 1999/09/14
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(Jerry Howe) wrote in
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> By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume that
> you are suggesting that the people knee the dog in
> the chest. If that's what you meant, just say it,
> instead of beating around the bush to avoid criticism
> from people like me. That kind of crap has got to
> stop, and that's why I'm here, to help wean you guys
> off of the abuse and into the proper methods of
> dealing with behavior problems.
Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation
up until this last paragraph.
Why did you blow it?
--Matt
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 16 Sep 2003 03:47:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Dominant Agressive Puppy????
Nessa said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> the only thing I remember learning from a spanking
> was to run faster than my dad and NOT GET
> CAUGHT. so what does that say?
I learned to put a comic book down the back of my
pants. And sometimes my parents pretended not to
notice. In retrospect, that's pretty cool.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
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> Melinda Shore wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > But he's the one producing the training
> > MATTerial.
>
> Ack. You just gave him some moore ammunition.
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Oh? You mean LIKE THIS, matty?:
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 15 May 2005 16:03:05 GMT
Subject: Re: What does "bupkis" really mean
shelly said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> you've just described elliott. i don't think Lucy would
> have had a clue what to do with him, though. while he's
> easy and forgiving in terms of handling, i think his prey
> drive and dog aggression would've had her in tears.
Hmm. You've got a point. Rocky is dog-dominant, a
surprise to almost everyone - some of whom know him
very well. I wonder how well Lucy reads dog? If she
can't, she'd get some ugly surprises.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!!
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 24 Mar 2005 17:16:47
Subject: Re: help with identifing a dog breed
A mature dog comfortable in its surroundings often
won't need to physically assert its dominance.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 22 Dec 2004 16:58:38 GMT
A Useful Dog
... Rocky, OTOH, I crate when a new dog is introduced -
while he's quick to back off in times of trouble, he's
fairly dominant. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"I wouldn't do anything because Friday would correct
him more appropriately than I ever could. I'd separate
them or watch them closely. If I can catch them at it
before the behaviour itself becomes rewarding, I use
my marker word. If I can catch them even earlier (when
the intent to commit misbehaviour is forming in their
evil minds), distraction works.
The latter works better than the former when it comes
to their protecting me from the mailman. Management,
redirection, distraction, aversives, Paula's socks,
combinations thereof - it's all good," matt, Rocky's my
epileptic dog.
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAHAAAA!!!
"dallygirl" <kwickw...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> choke chains are outdated and barbaric in many
>cases causing more harm than good.
Back at you with flat buckle collars. These are an
incredibly abused training tool, what with the number
of handlers I see pulling back and jerking on the leash
with both hands.
It's a good thing that most of us are here because of
dogs' well-being and not an agenda.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA!!!
"J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
========
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
On 6 Feb 2006 17:41:08 GMT, Mary Healey
<mhhea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
clicked their heels and said:
> Does that include tone of voice? Some tools are easier
> to ban than others.
yes - screaming banshees are told to shut up! And I
always have to remind spouses that they may NOT do the
"honey - you're supposed to be doing it like THIS"......
--
Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
"Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds
To Pain And Punishment, High Tolerance For
Correction, Escalation Of Correction To A Level
Where The Dog Yelps When You Punish Him,
Thus Making The Experience One Which The Dog
Will Want To Avoid In The Future," grant teeboon,
RAAF.
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack
Wouldn't Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't
Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear
He Might Eat My Cat,"Melanie Lee Chang *
mch...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Canine Behavioral Genetics
Project University of California, San
Francisco http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/
captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK"
Makes A ResoundingSound Distraction: "When
You Chuck The Dog The Sound Will Travel Up
The Mandible To The Ears And Give A Popping
Sound To The Dog."
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.
- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.
"After Numerous Training Cl*****, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
Subject: Re: shock collars
Sally Hennessey <greyho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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from being incredibly offensive and self-
righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge
in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps
a lack of ability to perceive same.
The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to
whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were
unim****tant does not mean that such dogs do not exist.
What it means is that you don't know as much about
dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know
a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.
I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with
one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or
anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant
nothing to her.
I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories. The fact that
you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as
what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to
suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by
"you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's
English you guys talk about over there) means that
you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person
who is not worth further notice.
Sally Hennessey
"Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.
I'm starting to see some similarities here.
Sally Hennessey
Now these two are spouting off about what kind of e-collars
they like to use on their dogs. Well, I've got an AC Delco
model that would be just right for Janet or Kate. BZZZZzzt!
I'd have to find it though, and I can't remember if I left
it in my underground bunker or the crawlspace under my
house," Charlie.
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Boss <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> I think a lot of dogs, particularly terrier breeds, don't
> belong in large group play environments. Actually, the
> more I think about dog parks and open day cares (not
> home situations and well organized care such as Matt
> provides),
I seem to get a lot of terriers here. Me and mine are great
with them - I set limits, Friday is the bad cop, Rocky is the
good cop.
> the less I like them and think they are recipes for
> disaster.
I've lost a couple of clients because my rules and
people skills are direct. I can envision disaster
and I'd rather not deal with it.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Re: "****-Head" strikes again
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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"MauiJNP"
<jmh1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> I actually broke Kanyak, our GSD-Dobe mix, of
>> that habit. The second time he did it (it was the
>> buried guts of a slaughtered sheep) I grabbed him
>> by the collar and tossed him into the shower stall
>> yelling "banyo!" (the Turkish word for "bath!")
>> repeatedly as I washed him. Kanyak HATED baths.
>> Not too long afterwards he came across another
>> op****tunity to roll in something vile and when I saw
>> him move towards it I shouted "banyo!" and that
>> stopped him cold. There were a few more chances to
>> reinforce the "conditioning" but never again did he
>> take a roll in the muck.
>
> that sounds like a great idea.
It works with the right conditioning, timing, and appropriate
correction. The right timing requires that you spend time
waiting for the action to occur naturally and then apply the
appropriate correction if your dog has already received
proper conditioning.
In OTW, do that kind of stuff only if you're extremely
confortable with your dog and he's extremely comfortable
with you.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Here's janet's PARTNER:
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
sinofa***** writes:
> > What I have said- repeatedly - is that he
> > took posts from two different people,
> > took pieces of them out of context,
Of curse. QUOTED. You wanna see it in context?
> > cobbled them together,
No. There was WON DIRECT QUOTE.
> > then added his own words:
"Neatly," and "Smartly."
> > and a fake signature.
"sinofa*****" instead of sionnach.
> > Which is exactly what he did.
INDEEDY. That's HOWE COME you deny it.
> > The actual quote is misleading
That so?
> > when taken out of context,
We'd been talkin abHOWET beatin the dog with a shoe...
> > and Jerry's faked "quote"
The WON sinofa***** totally DENIES.
> > is downright meaningless.
Only if you're a MENTAL CASE.
Here's Jerry's version
"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofa*****.
Here's yours:
"I dropped the leash, threw my
right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
grabbed her opposite foot with my
left hand, rolled her on her side,
leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
nipped her ear.
--Sara Sionnach
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
See?
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
author: "CourteHOWES Canine."
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?
When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first
time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth
and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with
this but just ignore him and continue your normal
behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"CourteHOWES Canines"
Borrowed from: "Puppy Raising Tips" from
professional trainers, John and Amy Dahl.
"Around four months many puppies can withstand a
correction. Unfortunately this is the time they start
teething and if their mouth hurts, they may act
generally sensitive. If this is the case, be patient and
wait for all those baby teeth to fall out.
In training, retrievers often respond to physical correction
better than verbal correction. While "NO!" is extremely
useful if puppy is about to bite an electrical cord or steal
food off the table, when you are teaching them something
(like obedience) a sharp jerk on their lead or swat with a
stick gets the message across with less emotion and less
effect on their confidence.
If they drop the dummy and act like their mouth hurts
when they are teething, stop all retrieving and wait for
their mouth to feel better. A correction should be just
severe enough to get the dog to respond.
Repeated weak corrections are very stressful to the dog."
================
"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog
I Do Not Believe There Is A Single Cir***stance
Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything But
Destructive," "I don't see why anyone would want
to choke or beat a dog, or how any trainer could
possibly get a good working dog by making them
unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying
frosty dahl.
lying frosty dahl sez she doesn't twist:
"None of my posts, prior to or subsequent to
Jerry Howe's attacks, encourage anyone to
twist ears, beat dogs, confront, intimidate,
frighten, or any of the crap he constantly
attributes to me," lying frosty dahl.
lying frosty dahl, oakhill kennels wrote:
Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield
the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable
dogs may require you to progress to striking them
more sharply
Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and
the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist!
Eventually, the dog will give in
but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
instead of your thumb even get a studded collar
and pinch the ear against that
Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so
urgent that resisting your will fades in im****tance.
CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready
Right Hand, As it catches on, try using the stick
and no ear pinch.
When the dog is digging out to beat the stick
and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch,
you are finished
If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin,
say "No! Hold!"
(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because
the ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided
it isn't worth it)" lying frosty dahl.
"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."
"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.
"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to
it. When he barks, use the line for a correction.-
if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar," Lynn K.
"Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.
<except when it is>
"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs. It's a safety
necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
"Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.
<except when it is>
"So what? Whoever said that it's right to
always not confront? We sure can try, but
a dog who knows a command and growls when
given it is certainly being confrontational".
You can't simply walk away and pretend it
didn't happen or leave it for later work in
every situation." Lynn K.
--------------------
"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.
And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.
Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."
Lynn K.
----------------
"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.
Should I have refused to groom them?
Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."
Lynn K.
----------------
I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
you'd be singing a different tune?
"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
for the trash company to come and dispose of.
No different tune," ~Emily
~emily is a vivisectionist for a med research laboratory.
HOWEDY janet,
Looks like you and your pals have gone totally INSANE again:
Janet B wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:44:14 -0500, Janet B
> <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, clicked their
> heels and said:
>
> Since you quoted me repeatedly, where does it say
> I beat dogs, choke dogs, scream at dogs, etc? Thanks
> for your clarification.
responding to my own post, I had to go back and look
at the original post, to remind myself what "we" are all
accused of doing:
"screaming, choking,
shocking, pinching, beating
the living crap out of your dogs"
Scream? no
Choke? no
Shock? e-collars are a lot more sophisticated than that
Pinch? if you want to classify a momentary discomfort
by a prong collar, go ahead, but unless you have first
hand experience with one, your opinion means nothing
Beat the living crap out of? hardly - no hitting exists
"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
professora gingold.
"BethF" <b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Kyle, FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
and i often call my little dog the turd, because
he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
would insult my dog like that so i guess its just a
matter of personality.
Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away is to
step on him once. Seriously.
"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most
Of The Dogs I Have In Cl***** Just Aren't That
Interested In Praise."
"BethF" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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Maybe that's what we should do - hold back the dobie
girl so that Izzy can put Simon in his place.
"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.
"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without
starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll
state my opinion once and won't defend it further:
any method can be cruel for some dogs.
Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at
the beginning, but we've come a long way since then.
She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.
Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
never been punished, even in the mildest way, for
not coming.
Is it time for that?
What might I look for to tell?"
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
and the vet agrees.
--Lia
"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help:
http://tinyurl.com/fbqnw
THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
ASYLUM ESCAPEES.
"Tricia9999" <tricia9...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> how effective are these electronic fences in
> keeping a dog on a property????
Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
too scared to go out in the yard anymore.
Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
because the dog got caught right in the path of
the shock and will now not go near his person,
won't go outside.
Just hides under a desk in the house.
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"micha el" spam_yurs...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
it felt like to me when I got shocked by
Hope's collar.
It felt like a bomb going off in my
hand and forearm.
--------------------------
Amy Dahl writes:
"From where I sit, there is a difference. I haven't noticed
any of the contingent who like Koehler trying to force
their method on everyone, or calling others names because
they do not use the method.
I personally believe the Koehler method is a more
humane way of teaching than any alternative I have
studied.
And I am not averse to learning--I have studied a
number of methods.
Koehler, of course, stops far short of the specialized
work I do with retrievers, and some of the things in his
book, such as making the dog walk behind the handler
on the "finish," are inappropriate for retriever work.
Why do I think Koehler's method is more humane than others?
First, I don't believe "corrections vs. no corrections" is as
significant to dogs as it is to people. Applied correctly,
Koehler's method uses *no* intimidation, fear, or emotional
manipulation. It is clear and definite, and the handler's
actions are always predictable. The method is masterfully
designed to prevent confrontation or vying for control in
any way. It places high demands of responsibility on the
trainer, and takes a great deal of commitment to do correctly,
so it is not for the casual "dabbler." When done well,very
few corrections are needed.
In brief, I think the clarity, predictability, and absence
of emotional blackmail weigh more strongly in the method's
favor, than the occasional brief unpleasantness of correction
weighs against it." lying frosty dahl.
----------------------------
YOU MEAN LIKE THIS?:
"Amy Dahl" <a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> diddy wrote:
>> []
>> >> They just aren't my thing. I DO like working with
>> >> soft dogs. And I guess I've never met a soft Lab.
>> >> They remind me of lumber wagons.
>
>> > Well, there are many such Labs, but they probably
>> > weren't field-bred.
>
> IME there are lots of soft Labs, and some of the recent
> field-bred dogs are among the worst. In the 60's, when
> you worked with them, if I understand correctly, they
> were probably more consistently tough and resilient.
>
> That's the traditional nature of the breed.
>
> Trainer Mike Lardy thinks we are getting the softer,
> more sensitive dogs today because training methods
> using modern e-collars are so much better and more
> gentle than they used to be, it doesn't take a tough
> dog to come through training in good shape. I think
> it's a plausible argument.
>
> Doesn't fit the stereotype the ignorant have of e-collars.
> We still get a few that are happy and eager no
> matter what we do to them.
> Amy Dahl
----------------------
Of curse, those methods sometimes end in disaster:
"Nelson is definately the real deal," lynn k:
From: Lynn Kosmakos
Date: Fri, Nov 3 2000 1:41 am
Email: Lynn Kosmakos <lkosma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Lori wrote:
> There is no TEMPERMENT too good to ruin OR
> too bad to save. The dog's heart & soul become
> reflex reaction to it's treatment.
Lori, I sincerely wish that were true. (the too bad
to save part)
There is innate temperament that is not shaped by treatment.
The dogs our rescue gets from horrible abuse cases
quickly proves that.
OTOH, I also see dogs that have never had a
single triggering incident who cannot be saved.
I've got such a client right now, a 9 month old
GSD who we've been fighting to save for months.
He's been seen by Jean Donaldson and Leslie Nelson
and a slew of others, and has received nothing by loving
care all his life.
His littermates are normal, his breeding excellent, and
there was no triggering event or medical cause. As
much as it breaks my heart, the dog cannot be saved.
Lynn K.
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.
\
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
>> I do know that hitting, hurting your dog
>> will often make the dog either aggressive
>> or a fear biter, neither of which we want
>> to do.
>
> And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
> No matter what Jerry Howe states.
>
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> doubt, please provide a quote (an
> original quote, not from one of Jerry
> Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> shows a regular poster promoting or
> using an abusive form of training.
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> What's the point, but: Refer me to those posts of
> which you have read so many. While you're going
> through them, point out those which recommend
> shocking, and pinching, and beating. Thank you.
> --
> -Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
> Rocky wrote:
> "Deltones" <vibrov...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > After your defense of "Limited" choking, what
> > would be the point? Where I come from, choking
> > is choking. It's never limited.
>
> So, you can't point out abuse where none occurs.
> Thank you for your contribution.
>-
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky (2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: How to handle aggressive situations
Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST
Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> I try really hard not to yell. The times that I have,
> Solo joined in and then lunged to the end of the
>leash.
Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
others' dogs at agility trials or training.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
---------------
Sometimes my "voice of god" startles human
and dog, especially when the human didn't
see the inappropriate behaviour. --Matt.
Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Xns92C1EC10BFE7australianshepherdca@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rosa Palmén wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> Anybody else got bilingual dogs?
Long ago my Hebrew was pretty good - but now I
only use "Chutza"(throat clearing 'ch') - "Out" when
it's reallyreally im****tant that my dogs get away from
something.
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp
Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't
Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't Take It. I Still
Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My
Cat," Melanie Lee Chang * mch...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Canine Behavioral Genetics Project
University of California, San Francisco
http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 10 Jun 2003 18:00:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Absolutely abysmal agility day
Robin Nuttall said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> One of the things that frustrates me the most about
> agility is that people seem to think that ALL dogs
> are fragile, shrinking flowers who cannot be
> corrected in any way.
Well, maybe one day -- when Friday doesn't take
correction so much to heart -- I'll try something
different. Right now, he's just getting the confidence
to work a few jumps ahead of me.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"I crate Rocky, even though he's 8.5 years old, but
only when I'm gone during summertime days -
maybe an hour at the most. (Other than hot days,
my dogs are always with me.)
While Friday has been totally reliable unsupervised
from the day I got him from a rescue, Rocky has not.
Rocky will go looking for food even in areas where
there's no possibility of food.
The good thing is that he likes his crate, runs for
it when I ask, and gets food when he's in it.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!
From: Rocky (mbon...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Leg Humper
Date: 1999/09/14
Bioso...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Jerry Howe) wrote in
<37D698CF.405B0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
> By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume
> that you are suggesting that the people knee the
> dog in the chest. If that's what you meant, just
> say it, instead of beating around the bush to avoid
> criticism from people like me. That kind of crap has
> got to stop, and that's why I'm here, to help wean
> you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods
> of dealing with behavior problems.
Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation
up until this last paragraph.
Why did you blow it?
--Matt
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 16 Sep 2003 03:47:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Dominant Agressive Puppy????
Nessa said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> the only thing I remember learning from a spanking
> was to run faster than my dad and NOT GET
> CAUGHT. so what does that say?
I learned to put a comic book down the back of my
pants. And sometimes my parents pretended not to
notice. In retrospect, that's pretty cool.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Xns92FE730764918australianshepherdca@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Melinda Shore wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > But he's the one producing the training
> > MATTerial.
> Ack. You just gave him some moore ammunition.
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Oh? You mean LIKE THIS, matty?:
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 15 May 2005 16:03:05 GMT
Subject: Re: What does "bupkis" really mean
shelly said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> you've just described elliott. i don't think Lucy would
> have had a clue what to do with him, though. while he's
> easy and forgiving in terms of handling, i think his prey
> drive and dog aggression would've had her in tears.
Hmm. You've got a point. Rocky is dog-dominant, a
surprise to almost everyone - some of whom know him
very well. I wonder how well Lucy reads dog? If she
can't, she'd get some ugly surprises.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHHAHAAA!!!
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 24 Mar 2005 17:16:47
Subject: Re: help with identifing a dog breed
A mature dog comfortable in its surroundings often
won't need to physically assert its dominance.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 22 Dec 2004 16:58:38 GMT
A Useful Dog
.... Rocky, OTOH, I crate when a new dog is introduced -
while he's quick to back off in times of trouble, he's
fairly dominant. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAHAAAA!!!
"dallygirl" <kwickw...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> choke chains are outdated and barbaric in many
> cases causing more harm than good.
Back at you with flat buckle collars. These are an
incredibly abused training tool, what with the number
of handlers I see pulling back and jerking on the leash
with both hands.
It's a good thing that most of us are here because of
dogs' well-being and not an agenda.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA!!!
ANY QUESTIONS, People?
"Ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you mad." -
~Aldous Huxley.
"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
"Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"
-Friedrich Schiller.
INDEEDY.
AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!
In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
The WORLD'S CRUELEST Trainer,
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
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