"Kathleen" <khhfmdeletethis@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> ~~seadancer~~ wrote:
<snip idiocy>
Here's more of kathleen's SUCCESS story:
HOWEDY kathleen,
"Kathleen" <khhfmdeletet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:iQJ3j.
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> Hi Steven,
> Welcome to the group. I've got a 17 year-old daughter, a 13 year-old
son,
> two border collies and a jrt. And a horse - a 3 year-old paint
gelding*.
> And a husband, who's not all that into the dogs, but is good natured and
> tolerant because he knows it buys him a ton of slack. And in spite of
the
> fact that he doesn't feed them, train them, sleep with them or play with
> them, the dogs treat him like a rock star and compete to be allowed to
sit
> on his lap and watch TV.
> *For the regulars, my daughter was finally convinced that Luna, her
> mustang, was never going to be a safe, fun horse to ride. After months
> and months of dedicated training she was still making frequent, spirited
> attempts to murder anyone sitting on her back. Albert is keeping her,
> though, and trying to get his hands on her brother so he can use them as
a
> matched pair to pull a buckboard at next year's Chuckwagon Races. Reno,
> her new horse, is a sweetheart.
Musical horses, eh?
"Kathleen" <khhfmdeletet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:I3M3j.
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> Davina Stuart wrote: <snip>
>> The vet last night said we'd be best to "wait and see" for the time
>> being, then maybe surgery depending on how things develop... Anyone
have
>> any experience with this sort of thing.. anyone know any statistics on
>> this sort of thing?? what are her odds, realistically?? I'm trying to
>> prepare myself for the worst possible outcome, and then hope I'm way
way
>> off.... *sigh* I have no idea how she would have done this.. this is a
>> dog who pretty much spends her days moving from one power nap to
another.
>> She was perfectly fine yesterday morning, she ate well, was drinking
>> fine, went outside a few times.. all was normal and well.. then just a
>> huge sudden turn around.. We're just so worried about her.. she's our
>> little baby, really.. she was the first dog hubby and I got together,
and
>> she's been our little princess... we lost one dog earlier this year
(10+
>> yr old pom, heart condition resulting in kidney failure..) and hubby's
>> mother just passed away, and we really can't deal with loosing another
>> dog this year... *sigh* and hubby has to go back up to the north slope
>> friday to work and will be gone several weeks and we're just trying
very
>> hard not to worry more then we need to....
> I had a BC, a horrible escape artist who had learned to stick his head
> into the shadow box fencing and use it to lever to pry off boards so he
> could go bumming around the neighborhood. Obviously the canine spine is
> not made to deal with this.
> The docs at the ortho clinic did the dye test on the spine and called me
> with the news that it was most probably cancer - they said they were
about
> 85 percent sure. Said there was evidence of a mass well above and below
> the disks that were supposed to be ruptured. And that the kindest thing
> might be to not allow him to wake up from the anesthesia.
> I was flabbergasted. Devastated. How could cancer have such a sudden
> onset? And my own vet had been so certain that it was trauma... So I
> said "absolutely not" to immediate euthanasia. Told them to proceed
with
> the surgery. Open him up and see what's in there. If it was the disks,
> patch him up, and if it was cancer, just debulk the tumor, get as much
of
> it out as possible to relieve his pain and buy him some time.
> It was the disks. They'd ruptured with such violent force that the
> squishy stuff inside had spurted all up and down the spinal canal -
that's
> what they'd been seeing on the dye test. It still makes me sick to my
> stomach to think about what would have happened if I'd been willing to
> follow "expert advice" instead of my own instincts.
> Connor had staples in his neck holding the incision closed. 12 days
post
> op I took him to have them removed and the incision just FELL OPEN.
Thank
> god it happened before we left the office. Healing was delayed by the
> oral steroids he'd been given to try to relieve his pain prior to his
> consult at the ortho clinic. They re-stapled him and we returned again
in
> another 14 days. This time it stayed closed.
> As I recall, I kept him crated for that first month, taking him outside
in
> the yard on a belt that wrapped around his waist so as not to put any
> strain on his neck. He was so relieved not to be hurting anymore that I
> had to keep him confined to stop him from doinging around like a maniac.
Perhaps you shoulda TRAINED your dog not to try to ESCAPE?:
by: Dr. Monique Chrétien
Edited by: Dr. Nicholas Dodman:
"If your dog is digging to escape from the yard, try to figure out
why.
Give very serious consideration to improving your containment
system. The addition of an underground electronic fence or a
fence that extends under the ground may be the only way to
frustrate a skillful escape artist."
by: Dr. Nicholas Dodman:
Dealing with Dogs that Run Away:
"Some dogs are just born to run away. Although the reasons
for this are varied, there are a couple of common themes.
Dogs run away to go to a better place where something
rewarding may happen or to escape from a real or
perceived danger.
No one in his right mind would allow a dog to roam
these days. There's too much trouble out there - not
to mention leash laws.
Some dogs are just born to run. Although the reasons
for running away are varied, there are a couple of
common themes. Dogs run away either a) to get to a
better place where something rewarding may happen
or b) to escape from a real or perceived danger."
From: Mark Shaw (ms...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Fido-Shock
Date: 2002-04-10
In article <gWLs8.203228$af7.101030@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
"Coleman Brumley" <clbrum...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> Has anyone had experience with this product (Fido-Shock). If so, what
>> model number, voltage, etc.?
> "If you're talking about the pet-grade hotwire system, I have one. It's
to
> keep boarded dogs out of my flowers."
Seems our pal marquis de "read koehler for content" shaw runs
an unlicensed illegal "cottage industry," outta his HOWES, a
B+B for dogs.
>> I have a 1.5 year St Bernard who is scaling (not clearing - - more like
>> falling over) our 4 foot fence to visit with owners walking their dogs.
My methods cure fence jumping and escape behavior in a couple
minutes without shocking and choking and crating and beating
and shooting "a good slingshot or a few BB's" as instructed
in our koehler book that we should read for content. ed w of
petloss dot CON recommends we read koehler, sez he could be
the world's best trainer.
>> I thought of raising the fence a foot or so,
Because there's no way to train a dog not to jump a barrier.
>> but don't think that'll solve the problem.
Course not. Neither will hurting him, that'll
make IT want to escape even MOORE.
>> I've tried watching her outside, and give a stern "NO" when she props
on
>> the fence for a peek over it. No avail.
Course not. That'll make him try harder soon as you're not lookin.
>> I've heard this product works after just a couple of tries.
> I take it you're considering running the wire across the top of the
fence?
> I don't think I'd recommend that, although it may be worth a try."
Course. Might as well try to HURT the dog to force it not to
want to run away. Dogs run away from their HOWESES for the
same reason kids do... they're usually abused and neglected,
even despite the daily jerk and choke and shock training.
> Watch closely -- the one case where I saw a hotwire used in this fa****on
> caused the dog undue stress and frustration,
That was on one of your illegal customer's dogs who didn't know
you was fixin to BURN their Dane while you was giving him some
loving care. Those stupid bastards trusted you not to HURT their
dog...and you done your best, but just couldn't bear NOT to HURT.
> and he tried even harder to get over the fence.
Of course, marquis. That's what got Peach DEAD.
> So be prepared to take it down right away.
So he don't get caught, marquis? He's not shocking an illegal
boarding customer's dog like you were... marquis de read koehler...
> That was a Dane, though.
Yeah. A cash customer's dog. You couldn't afford to return IT
with a case of nervous aggression...and you couldn't get caught
with a hotwire just in case the dog squeals on you by his new
nervous responses.
> With a Saint things might be different.
Yeah. Did you see CUJO?
--
Mark Shaw (and Maggie) anti-spam: change 'bang' to 'not'
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THAT'S WHAT GOT Misty's DEAD DOG Peaches DEAD:
"misty" <Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in message
I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do
know she's not here with us. I really can't blame
anyone here for her loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it
because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling
to accept the idea that my using a shock collar
could have any bearing on Peach not wanting
to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had
been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my
concern became how to keep them from running
off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled
in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the
world now <g> A Wits End Trained dog, one who
is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up stuff,
stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
================
misty" <Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and
no collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want
to come back in the yard and would run for days.
The last time, Peach didn't come back home.
I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how
to train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in
the yard.
She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop
her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes
when we walk around the yard.
I can not say loud or long enough how much I
hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can't get
a regular fence then you need to train your dog.
I will never rely on an electronic collar to
keep my dog in our yard again.
The price was too high:-(
~misty
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AND THEN YOU WONDER:..
From: ms...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
22 Mar 2002 05:19:00 -0500
Subject: How to set up and use a killfile (weekly posting)
Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically mark
certain posts or threads as read. This is usually referred to as a
killfile or a filter. Instructions on how to create a killfile for
some of the more common newsreaders are below. If yours isn't listed,
try looking in your browser under "help."
Also, here's another source for this type of information:
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile
Disclaimer: These instructions have been compiled from a variety
of sources. I only use rn myself so if the instructions below can't
help you, I can't either. Conversely, if you have any additions or
corrections to this list, please feel free to email me at
dian...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I will add them to this file next time it's
reposted.
Many, many thanks to everyone who's contributed!--Dianne Schoenberg
AGENT
Pull down the 'Window' on the Menu. Go to Usenet Filters and click
on
that.
The first icon on the toolbox should be to 'Add Kill Filter'. Click
on that.
The edit window will come up. In the area 'Filter Expression',
write
'Jerry Howe'. And then under 'Kill Action', mark whatever little
button you want.
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From: Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(misty)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:44:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Wits End Training manual?
I used the Wit's Ends Training manual to teach myself how
to interact with Zelda. The first read through made no
sense to me...the second time through, things clicked and
the little lightbulb glowed.
I trained Zelda to stay in the yard, not chase cats, to come,
sit ,down, stop chewing toys and to be quiet when she barks
at things she hears outside.
I don't care if 99% of the manual came from 99 other trainers...
I needed the info, it was offered free of charge and any questions
can be asked of Jerry.
One thing about his method, although you can "spot" train
with it, it works best by a pyramid approach. IOW start
at the beginning and go through the exercises in the order
he has them wrote.
The part about "non-physical praise" confused me until I
tried a little experiment. I petted Zelda and told her
what a good girl she was...she enjoyed it, tail wagging.
I then put my hand away from her (behind my back) and
praised her...she got very wiggly, ****ged me with her nose,
pawed at me and wanted more praise. Not very scientific,
I know, but it was interesting to me how excited she got.
I find that I'm starting to use Jerry's method to "train"
my kids as well:-)
~misty
My "daughter" http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/ZeldaAnneArensdorf/
My sons http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/Arensdorf14Acre/
From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:13:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Wits End Training manual?
On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:44:25 -0500 (CDT),
Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(misty) wrote:
> I find that I'm starting to use Jerry's method to "train" my kids as
> well:-) ~misty My "daughter"
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/ZeldaAnneArensdorf/
My sons
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/Arensdorf14Acre/
Hi Misty!
I had just about exactly the same experience with Jerry's manual.
I had visited quite a few dog-training web sites, and, while they
didn't recommend anything too harsh, they all emphasized that I must
"assert my dominance" over the pup.
Anytime I tried doing that (just once or twice) it produced a
distinctly negative result... The pup got scared and ran away.
When I took the approach of simply making myself into the most
im****tant and desirable thing in her world, she responded incredibly
well. Now I can even break off a rabbit chase instantly (which I do
NOT want to allow, as I live in a rural area with chickens and
livestock) just by calling her once in a calm, affectionate voice.
Your kids and your dog are adorable, BTW!
You can see my pup at
http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy
Check the "more pictures" link -- like your dog, Holly
is more than happy to do an "alpha rollover" when I use
the gentle, non-confrontational approach Jerry recommends.
Charlie
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From: ms...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Mark Shaw)
Date: 27 Aug 2001 23:00:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Wits End Training manual?
In article <3532-3B895199...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(misty) wrote:
> I needed the info, it was offered free of charge and any questions can
be
> asked of Jerry.
This is not true, unless you're willing to kiss his, uh, ring.
If you're not, he considers you his enemy -- no matter how you
really feel about him -- and will just abuse you.
Of course, his sheep have always ignored
this and will probably continue to do so.
--
Mark Shaw (and Maggie)anti-spam: change 'bang' to 'not'
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AN THEN YOU DON'T~!
From: Mark Lind <marNOkSPAMl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2000/10/09
Subject: Re: Should We Chill Out A Little?
On Fri, 06 Oct 2000 07:42:29 GMT, ms...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Mark Shaw) wrote:
> But what the hell is this "we" ****? Who the hell are you to come
around
> and tell us what "we" ought to do? doG knows *I've* never seen you
around
> here before, and I've been here for a good long time.
I posted a few messages about 10 months ago, when I got my second
dog (I was having trouble getting him to walk on the leash without
thra****ng), but the reactionary nature of all the responses caused
me to tune out for a while. I did get some constructive help that
worked (thank God), but I had to wade through a sea of ridiculing
posts that went on for weeks after I posted my "Thank You" message.
However, this IS a public forum, and people have a right to use it
how they may. You certainly have the right to continue in whatever
manner you wish.
> Which sorta points up the root problem: that usenet is no longer, and
has
> not been for some time, anything like the community it once was. People
> wander in and out like so many Merkins in a shopping mall, fer petesake.
It's actually open to the public, just like a shopping mall. I've
been posting to various usenet groups since my college years in
Computer Science in 1988, and, I can tell you that it was as you
describe even back then.
> It used to be that people at least had the courtesy to lurk a bit; to
try
> to figure out who was a guru and who was a village idiot, so they could
> post without fear of looking like a buffoon.
I thought that the only thing resembling a requirement was to post
information relevant to the group topic name or information pertaining
to the administration or use thereof. I didn't know you were required
to become familiar with each of the individual posters for a period of
time before you were allowed to post.
> So, anyway: back to you, Mr. Lind: I'd invite you to bugger off, but
> there'll be another just like you along in just a bit anyway, with yet
> another "why can't we all just get along" speech, so why the hell should
I
> bother? Huh? Huh?
I agree that inviting me to bugger off would be a waste of your
time.Mark
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Hi Jerry,
I received email from Mark Shaw on 10/6 which I just read today.
Sorry I didn't have time to get to it sooner. We have had a lot
going on in our area concerning animals. We formed a new Task
Force to address spay/neuter, pet overpopulation and animal
abuse. I needed to do a lot of research before the first meeting
and time was just not available for anything else.
Anyway the letter went on to say that we are in collusion, I tried
to defraud him, and have sent none of the materials that he has
asked for although he has yet to furnish the P.O. Box number that
he wanted them sent to in the first place. He goes on to state that
I am no longer eligible for the "fictions reward." All of this is in
answer to postings that prove I was "sharing" his email with you
which in his opinion was a breach of good manners. His email only
had terms and conditions of the reward which I would consider
"public information."
Be that as it may, I would like to state that you had my permission
to post any email I have sent you regarding DDR including this
email.
I'm very sorry that you have to put up with this type of situation
from someone that obviously never intended to make good on his
reward offer in the first place.
I had a call from a friend of mine with a very aggressive cat. I
have loaned her my DDR for a few weeks to see if it will calm JR
down. I will let you know the results. She goes to the same holistic
vet that I go to and he is also interested.
In case Mark does post to the list again I would like to say that I
do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it has helped
my dogs and cats. I have entirely too much to do, to worry about his
opinions or reward.
The only reason I was willing to apply for the reward was on your
behalf as I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with
aggression and other behavior problems.
I am in Feral Cat Network (we spay and neuter approximately 100
feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog
obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president of
Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of
Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep.
from AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County manager, head
of animal control, director of two different shelters, etc.).
I listed these not to be on an ego trip but to let Mark know that
I am involved with animals and have very little time to play games
with him also I would not recommend your product if I did not
believe in it.
Please feel free to post this email as it has no
copyright on it as did Mark Shaw's last email to me.
Take care Jerry and don't let the Mark's of the world get you down.
Elaine
Thank you, Elaine. I have been trying to educate the mark's
of this world, with some occasional successes. I guess that's
variable reinforcement?
Yours, Jerry.
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Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue writes: Sep 9,
2000
"I ordered from Jerry a long time ago.. He was helpful and
the order was filled promptly. Yes, Doggie Do Right does
indeed exist.
I "had" a very aggressive female Pit.. She was showing
aggression not only towards Dok, Rhodesian Ridgeback,
but our cats and even us.
She now plays with Dok, even to the point of allowing him
to take a toy or bone from her. She no longer shows any
aggression towards us. She is showing some aggression
towards the cats but that is down to a warning growl.
It is not just my opinion that all this aggression existed
before Doggie Do Right as we were advised by three vets
to euthanize her.
I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it
has helped my dogs and cats. I do think your product is a
valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior
problems.
I am in Feral CatNetwork (we spay and neuter approximately
100 feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC
dog obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club,
president of Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for
Care and Welfare of Animals (on the board are: county
commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from AKC dog club, CFA cat
club, assistant County manager, head of animal control,
director of two different shelters, etc.).
Thanks, Elaine,
Apr 25, 05:59 PM
Hi Jerry, (update 10/31/00)
Teddy, my friend, with the very alpha male Siamese cat
re****ts all is well. She has been running DDR for well
over a week now and JR has not beaten up on any of
the other cats. Gillie the smallest female cat was living
in the bathroom and JR was attacking her every day.
Teddy forgot to close the bathroom door the second day
she had the DDR and came home to good news "no hair
all over the room." Now she is leaving the bathroom
door open all the time and JR has not attacked Gillie.
Gillie used to be able to sleep with Teddy on the bed but
JR got soooo....bad he would almost maul her if she came
into the bedroom. Teddy told me that yesterday Gillie came
into the bedroom and JR just looked at her and ignored her.
Teddy is so grateful as she was considering putting JR
outside or having him euthanized. Will update you in
another week or so.
Thanks, Elaine.
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Hi Jerry,
I wrote to you a week or so ago about the unit. I have since
borrowed one from Elaine Mc Clung. She speaks very
highly of it.
So, I brought it home and plugged it in. Of course, I
wanted it to come on, all the barking stop, and have every
one immediately fall to the floor in little comas for a few
hours. Well, after I got all 27 of them to be quiet, still no
comas. But, it had only been 36 seconds at that point. So,
I gave it a little longer. Still no comas. Was this really
going to work? I mean, I do have an unusual situation.
So, by bedtime, a few hours later. I started to notice just
how many were asleep already - with their feet in the air! I
started to have hope. During the night, all was calm. In the
morning when I got up, only a few of them WALKED quietly
to the door to go out. Not the usual evacuation.
I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until Tuesday
Morning. I was certainly pleased with the night effect. I
wasn't so sure about the amount of the day time effect.
Until I took it back. Within half an hour, the monsters had
resurfaced. I wondered if I could break into Elaine's house
and if she would notice :)
I know another person who does dog rescue. She rescues
Beagles. She has 23 in an 1100 square foot house. God
bless her. She is interested to see if it will work for her.
I
also spoke to someone else who does cat rescue, and
she is interested. The cat rescue people have monthly
meetings. Maybe Elaine could give a word or two about it.
So, if there are any words of advice you can send my way
about the best way to use it in my case, I would appreciate
it. I of course wanted to keep it on the highest setting, but
don't know if that is advised, even with my situation of so
many new ones coming and (too few) going.
Also, how I and others can go about getting one, etc.
I think the vets should have the info in their offices.
It must help dogs with separation anxiety.
My vet practices homeopathic as well as traditional
medicine, so I would think it would be right up her alley.
Thank you.
Desiree M Webber
A New Leash On Life
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