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Re: I'm from Alabama

by "Delusional_Dimensions_Recovery_DDR" <Human_And_Animal_Behavior_ Oct 5, 2008 at 11:45 AM

HOWEDY diddler you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
animal murderin punk thug coward active accute chronic
life long incurable malignant mental case and backyard
puppy miller and professional dog training FRAUD an
SCAM ARTIST,

"diddy" <none> wrote in message 
news:Xns9B2C80D001298diddydiddynet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ****h Tzu Mom <sassyaddison@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spoke these
> words of wisdom in 
> news:541f9e28-e2e8-4fef-98ca-8eed20e6c853@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> I am from Alabama and I am one of many people in
>> this state that take care and love their pets as well as
>> other animals! Not everyone here is A CRUEL,
>> UNEDUCATED, BACKWOODS, HUNTING,
>> HILLBILLY, TOOTHLESS REDNECK THAT
>> LIVES FOR NASCAR.
>
> Tilt at windmills much?

You mean, LIKE THIS?:

From: diddy
Subject: Re: Dog chewing up floors
in thread news:aad9p2hg0aei5nijqludfvqhb8g1l0jsaj@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 <mmmtobler...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled the following
words:

> I, for one, am glad that the Puppy Wizard comes across
> as a complete loon given what his advice is since it
> makes it less likely that people will take it instead
> of the advice of someone else I think gives better advice.

For the record, The Puppy wizard over-rates himself.  But
"his" (tm) methods are pretty much tried and true methods
 that trainers have used and some still use today.

There are better methods out there now. But the ones posted
in his manual (now that he has removed the advice to SPIKE
a dog's temperature to dangerous levels) are sound. they work..
no matter what we think of the puppy-wizard and his packaging...
"his methods" <cough> are just as valid as anyone else's

"His methods" can stand some updating, and he definitely
needs to look at some repackaging.

Hopefully others add a slicker delivery to grab attention,
but truthfully, when you look at the cat fights that go on
here, and stand back and watch in perspective, it's rather
hard to determine the sane ones from the lunatics.

In fact, an awful lot of people here come off looking
rather tainted. A person needs to have a good filtering
device to sort out the noise.

TPW just has a problem that's too painfully obvious.

                    -------------------- 

HOWE COME would diddler set her INFORMATIVE posts to
EXXXPIRE in six days? Is she EMBARRASSED by her own
words, the lyin animal murderin punk thug coward mental case
fraud an SCAM ARTIST, like montana, elegy, meat terri,
professora melanie chang, cindy title moore of k9web.com,
 matty a.k.a. Rocky and not so happy, not so handsome, not so
gentle jackass, not even jack morrison, a.k.a. BIG DADDY
a.k.a. DOGMAN a.k.a. tommy sorenson of sorenson's
Retriever PUPPY MILL and SHOCK COLLAR SALES??

Are they EMBARRASSED by their own words, the lyin animal
murderin punk thug coward mental cases frauds an SCAM ARTISTS?

matty aka Rocky EXXXPLAINS HOWE COME:

"Rocky" <2d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no
archive, and it's a shame.  Once in a while, while
looking for something else, I'll run into an old post
of mine.

What an idiotic response!

Whoops.

            BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!

                       LIKE THIS:

"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns99E154DAFFD50diddydiddynet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 dog trainer must succeed. By nature, "Command" mentality
makes dog trainers a curmudgeonly lot. The deeper a dog
behavior digs in, the more willing a good trainer is to do
what it takes to uproot the undesired behavior.

This willingness to tackle what results in a battle of wills
is well pronounced in dog trainers. And if you think that's
something, try horse trainer lists, where the ante is upped X
1000 pounds and poor results can KILL you!

However, "nice little horsey " types are rarely successful
in horse training and rather self extingui****ng bringing
about more moderation in established techniques.

              BWEEEAAAAHAHAAA~!

"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.

 Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated cir***stances.

A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.

You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.

I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"

         ALL ABOARD~!

"Cappy the beagle killed one of my ducklings today.
Tuck grabbed a leg, and swallowed a leg and thigh
before I could get him.

a month ago, he almost died from swallowing a
chicken wing. Now I'm sweating all over again.

I think he's never going to  be allowed out ever
again without a muzzle! (he seems alright thus far.

                              ------------------------ 

               BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
                                IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >

Re: Tuck's SAR experience

"diddy" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Xns982D2E8C7C9D6danny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I just came in from putting chickens to bed, and Tuck
 had my computer keyboard on the floor, and there are
 now two keys missing.
 Ornery git
                                  ------------- 

               BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
                                IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >

"diddy" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Xns9839861A82FF6danny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> in thread news:m1s5g2lsio01rsk9iisfcjotfqigmljjnp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Janet B <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled
  the following words:
> Curious how many choose to crate a dog forever,
> whenever they leave the house and/or overnight,
> or how many choose to wean from household
> crate usage (usage being shutting the dog in the
> crate, not the dog choosing to hang out there) at
> some specific ages or maturity levels.
> Not for how long during a workday, but how
> long for a dog's lifespan?

 I plan on crating Tuck whenever NOT supervised
 (which isn't often.. he usually is with me) Until the
 day that he quits tearing apart everything in sight
 when I leave the room.

 A dog proof room doesn't work.

 He's figured out door knobs. He's figured out cupboards,
 and he loves to tug open dresser drawers.  He's not
 interested  in anything  left out in the open.

 He's into treasure hunting, figuring  anything worth
 secreting away is worth his effort discovering. He's
 discovered the sock stash is in drawers.

 Trash cans? --not interested.
 Counter tops? --not interested
 Counter tops -with food? --not interested
 Dog food sitting on the floorin open bags? --not interested

 razor blades from bathroom drawers?  ...  Very cool stuff!

 Mom really gets bent too!

 nope.. His crate is going to be occupied for
 some time to come.

 As for the beagle.. She's never been trustworthy.

She's getting senile and never will be trustworthy,
so a crate is in her future until she crosses the bridge.

 Reka, no crate at no time,  She lost her crate when she was
 5 months old.  Both Tuck, and reka hangout in  crates by choice.

 Reka dens in the bathtub usually. (kind of a crate) But she
 likes the beagles vantage point, because the beagles crate
 is on top of Tuck's. Right next to the window so she can see
 out.  Tuck prefers the compartment with a view as well.

 I always have to vacate him (even though the crate on top is
 too small for both elkhounds, it's their preferred lookout)
 when I wantto stick in the beagle.

 Reka sleeps under the bed at night or in the bathtub at night
 if it's really hot. She sleeps in the  bathtub by day when not
 watching from the penthouse suite.

 Tuck is not crated at night, and has chosen to sleep in
 the closet. The beagle holds down the couch, night and day.

                               -------------- 

               BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
                                IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >

 > "diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
 > news:JS76a.9623
 >
 >> Taya had eaten  over 5 POUNDS of summer sausage!
>>  I just had to laugh, because otherwise, I'd have cried.
 >
 > is taya an elkie? no point in crying over ingested summer sausage
 > is what my mom used to say. did she get the runs?

 Taya IS a 1/2 a cup a day  for food elkie. When i told mom and dad
 that she ate 5 POUNDS, we all marveled, my goodness! Where did she
 put it all!

 She went to the emergency vet clinic last night in a snowstorm
 along 60 miles of ice slick roads, & blowing snow. The price
wasn't bad $120 but she had pancreatitis.

Crap, I should have induced vomiting when I realized it had happened.

Going from a regular diet of ounces in a day to 5 pounds
was bound to cause problems!

She seemed fine at the time, and I didn't think about it.

  It could have been worse. There was NO fat in those summer sausages,
  because they were homemade. No greasy texture, and much better than
  any you buy. Because there was no fat, I had figured pancreatits
  wasn't going to be a factor.

 Wrong again.

                          ------------------------- 

               BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
                                IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >

Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS:

"diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
News:Xns993C52BAC299Bda...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 dogs aren't into beer that much. But they sure love Horse poop!

                -----------------------

                     LIKE THIS:

From: diddy <none>
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:00:29 -0600
Local: Sun, Nov 11 2007 1:00 pm
Subject: And then there were......

I was prepared a few hours ago to post there were now
only two dogs. But after a trip to the Dayton Emergency
clinic, we are now only $200 poorer and brought home a
very torb'ed up beagle.
We estimate the beagle to be about 14.

This morning she had severe abdominal distress.  Pacing,
whining, and crippling spasm, accompanied with the most
pitiful moans and groans you ever heard.

My husband said, if it's serious (LOOK HERE.. ANY PAIN OF
THAT MAGNITUDE IS SERIOUS!) we weren't going to fix it,
 we would simply put her down. But she got out yesterday, and
indulged in a buffet of horse meadow muffins.

She may be impacted, and it might pass.

I told him she's in pain, and transient or not, we
 have to do something about the pain while we
wait to see if the issue resolves or not.

So the vet said, if you aren't fixing it. Let's juice her
up on Torbugesic, healthy doses of antibiotics, with reglan
to move things along. We just treated everything.  So if
there is improvement, we will assume fixable. If not.. I
will write that "And then there were two" post.

to be continued.....

                 ----------------------

                  BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

                    IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >

Eatin arsenic won't cause peritonitis:

Re: Just scheduled blood test--Zipper too

"diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Xns99056C3BAB8F4danny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 in thread
news:IeqdnZChtN4RX5jbnZ2dnUVZ_uqvnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 "MauiJNP"

> <jmh1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled the following words:
> in thread news:IeqdnZChtN4RX5jbnZ2dnUVZ_uqvnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 "MauiJNP"
> jmh1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled the following words:
> Seems to me, that should be a standard question for
> any pet having any problems at this time.

I took Tuck in last Wednesday to the vets because two weeks
before, he had chewed some old treated lumber. Knowing that
treated lumber used to be treated with Arsenic, and he ate a
substantial amount, I took him into the emergency clinic and
they treated him for arsenic poisoning.

A week later, he still had a raw stomach, esophagus and stomach
(revealed by endoscopy). He was treated with buffers, and antibiotics
to prevent infection of the inflamed tissues. Wednesday, still not
right, but improving, I took him back in for a recheck.

The first thing the vet did, was ask what foods I was feeding.
Which I understood why, but felt considering his current history,
was rather a unnecessary question. I felt we pretty much knew
 what was going on with him.

Since he was greatly improved, we decided not to do another
endoscopy and just watch him. He's 100% back to normal.
Hope Cali is too.

                 ------------

           BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

                IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >

Here's diddler "TRAININ" her neighbor's dog to stay
HOWETA her garbage and CURING his peritonitis:

From: diddy (di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Dog Shot, Neighbor Charged, Anchorage AK

I guess if I felt Danny was threatened, it's the way I would react.
There would be none left standing to deal with the threat just in
 case.

If someone hurt him, I would not let borders or
continents stop me from pursuing justice.

Then again, I always feed Danny INSIDE. If someone is feeding
his dog outside, his own dog might not mean THAT much to him.

If he was feeding his dog outside though, many dogs are food
 aggressive, and that could most certainly spark a dog aggression
 thing. (and if the dog was penned quietly outside, what was it
doing in his yard?)

I shot a neighbors dog one night for chasing my horses and called
him to help me find it. I would do the same for threatening my dog.

My husband shot a dog that had been tearing up trash up and down
our road for years making an unbelievable mess. When we finally
killed the culprit, the whole road cheered. Animal control had never
been able in years to catch this critter. (we think it was feral it
was certainly unkempt enough to have been....and it had been shot
 at by  MANY of the neighbors, but it never frightened it off enough
to keep  it from NOT tearing up the road the next trash day)

                         ---------------

From: diddy <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 11:27:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Dog Shot, Neighbor Charged, Anchorage AK

Cate wrote:
> "Jeff Harper" <dummyaddr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:aqgn8c$9ss69$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > | My husband shot a dog that had been tearing up
> > | trash up and down our road for years making an
> > | unbelievable mess. When we finally killed the
> > | culprit, the whole road cheered. Animal control
> > | had never been able in years to catch this critter.
> > | (we think it was feral it was certainly unkempt
> > | enough to have been....and it had been shot at by
> > | MANY of the neighbors, but it never frightened
> > | it off enough to keep it from NOT tearing up the
> > | road the next trash day)
>
> > Y'all take killing dogs pretty lightly.  I'd have tolerated
> > the trash problem before I would have killed the dog.
>
> No kidding.
>
> > But putting up with it wouldn't have been necessary.
> > The trash could have been better secured and the
> > problem would have been resolved.
>
> Yep. Where's the condemnation of the people not
> securing their trash. Especially since, IIRC, this is
> the country we're talking about.

> Cate

They were in the standard Rumpke plastic
waste containers they MUST be in.

 If you are upset I advise you to keep your dogs at home.

As i repeated before, the time Danny and Taya got loose,
for all the dangers they faced out there, cars, disease,
coyotes, etc, the most immediate danger they were in,
was being shot.

This is why I immediately started canvassing the area
with full color door to door handouts emblazoned with
REWARD. DO NOT SHOOT these dogs across the top.

I knew every second they were loose, they were in grave
danger of being shot. At that time, Our dog pound was
 on 20/20 for being one of the worst in the country (it's
 not now, it's a modern model facility) i WANTED my
 dogs there.

It meant they weren't out there being shot.

They would throw dogs in  pens of 10-20 dogs, In spite
 of the dirt and filth, if they got there, I had a chance of
recovery.

Roaming in this area is a very bad thing,
 and people WILL shoot dogs.

Happens all the time.


If you like your dog, you keep it home.

A persons personal animals are more valueable to
 them than your animal you don't think enough of to
 keep at home.

                      ------------------------ 

               BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

                          IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >

diddler the **** stain scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:

"I was in that position once when Becky was hit
 by a car when my son left the yard gate open.

Every Rescue Elkhound that I have ever had Cruciate ligament
surgery done on had straight stifles. I've never  had one that
was properly  angulated tear. It would make sense that a dog
with greater angulation would put more stress on the tendons,
yet the straight angulation dogs in my experience, have been
the ones with cruciate ligament tears. When you mentioned that
was her only conformational fault.. I'm thinking..

kachink! Another one!

            ------------------ 

Subject:     Re: untrainable beagle! NEED HELP

"diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Xns9834C98CEC696danny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> in thread news:BO2Lg.4755$xV.1684@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 "graham
fandango!"
> <gmey...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled the following words: i have
> a ten year old beagle who i got from the animal shelter 5 years
> ago. its pretty clear he was abused in some form before he ended
> up in the shelter; when ever i reach for something, like the tv
> remote, too quickly he flinches. he gets scared when i sweep the
> kitchen floor and hides under the bed.

I have one too. I don't know her past history, or her age.

I use an antibark collar on her for my sanity. She's very
quiet, until I take it off. It doesn't train her not to bark,
because she barks when the collar is off. (beagles "Do
that")

There may not even be batteries in it, but she doesn't
bark... just in  case.I'd supervise the first time you try
it, because I've heard of some dogs barking, and going
so spazzy over them that they died.

I really don't think you are going to train a dog that
age, especially a beagle, NOT to bark.  I see your
options as being:

  1) anti-bark collar
       a)citronella
       b)electronic
       c)bark buster (your neighbors will
       probably complain asmuch about
       that as the howlng)
 2) surgical debarking
 3) placing the dog and accepting the consequences
 4) moving

              ----------------------- 

"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns9A74B7CCF8817diddydiddynet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 <barney...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spoke these words of wisdom
 in news:
5a8c97ed-06aa-4211-b345-b49062eff...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> The shock is minimal and nothing to worry about. There are 2 different
> types that frequent this group: the high falutin city folk that believe
> dogs should be treated like children, and the answer for any problem is
> "enroll them in class and spend $300 to teach them not to do it, and put
> them in time-out, but be sure their paw socks are on before stepping
> outside if under 50 degrees, etc."

First, I know of a dog with an antibark collar, who
protested so violently, he spazzed out and killed himself.

He was found dead in his kennel the next morning.

What dog training schools charge $300?

                 ------------ 

diddler wrote:

 "I released a dog from the pound. She was dumped for biting.
 Knowing that most of the time, a dog that bites is the child's
 fault, I brought her home to see if she was salvageable in a
 childless home.

She at least deserved an evaluation.  She seemed fine,
then the following day, with no provocation, she lunged
for my throat. This was an unprovoked attack, and I knew
there was probably something physically wrong with the
dog (perhaps a brain tumor?) and regardless, she was a
HUGE liability risk, and I could never place her.

So I took her to the vet for euthanasia.

The vet kept sticking her for 15 minutes, and it was the
ugliest screaming death I ever witnessed.... until I had
my old 18 year old companion diagnosed with systemic
organ failure. Her old body wore out. I took her to the vet.

Apparently poor circulation caused her not to use the
euthanasia shot properly. The vet kept giving her one
shot after another, and she dies a slow agonizing death,
screaming, and looking at me in betrayal and dismay.

I wanted to grab her from the vet, and take her home,
and shoot her. It would have been over faster," DIDDLER,
lyin animal murderin COWARD and MENTAL CASE.

                    BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

                               IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >

DIDDY ON CATS (shoot, don't trap)

From: diddy (di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Fur Auction Ohio State Trappers Association
Xenia Ohio Feb 15 2002
Date: 2002-02-16 12:06:21 PST

If I can get him  away from the Olympics, I'll have him
answer that. He doesn't know how to change the identity on
the computer, so if "I" answer this post... it's really
Jeff. And no.... we went to watch. He sold nothing. btw..
are these "CATS" feral domestic cats? (sorry not familiar
with Oklahoma) (I just shoot the DSH cats. Jeff caught a
couple cats last summer while nuisance trapping an orchard,
but it wasn't intentional)
-- 
diddy

              ------------------ 

OR you could just lock them in a crate
an let your dogs tear them to shreds.

                LIKE THIS:

Eatin your vet's office kitty won't cause peritonitis:

From: diddy
(di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: What would you do in this situation?
Date: 2002-05-31 14:49:22 PST

Actually, I borrowed the vets office kitten once for a
couple days for school education on pet care and safe
handling as well as responsible pet owner****p.

I kept the kitten over night in a crate within a crate
and yet my dog (yes,  Angelic Danny, as well as Taya
and Toby tore that kittne to threads from between the
crate bars. (apparently he stuck his paws through the
crate to bat at the dogs. I was out doing yard work
and rushed in to find the little kittens pieces and
parts being torn through by ALL the dogs.

I called my girl friend to come get my dogs. I screamed
displeasure, and stalked out with the kitten. Danny, et
al spent 3 days in a kennel until I finally felt like I
could interact with them without doing bodily harm. All
three dogs were never touched, but knew they had done
something so unspeakable that I wouldn't associate with
them and they got banished.

To this day, Taya (mom and Dad's dog) and Danny will
not look at a cat. When confronted with one, Danny wees
himself and cowers hiding behind me for help.

I'm not saying this would work this way with all dogs,
But mom and dad now have a house cat, and she has
never been harmed by  any of the dogs. Danny is there
all the time, unsupervised, and has no interest in harming
the cat.

             --------------------------------- 

OR you could just BLUDGEON a innocent defenseless
kitty kat after HURTIN IT in your strangle leg hold noose
trap.

                  LIKE THIS:

From: diddy (di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: cats : Crating/Caging: What constitutes abuse?
Date: 2002-08-23 09:18:08 PST

Lyn wrote:
   > > You know I'm a cat abuser because I let my cat out.
   > >  Alison
   >
   > Well, it totally depends upon where you live, as to whether
   > or not doing so is in the best interest of your animal.
   > Abuser isn't a term I would use, and I am a "cat group"
   > regular.

Here it would be abuse. If you like your cat you keep it
home. I run a state authorized and monitored nuisance
animal trapline.

This  morning there was a cat in a snare. Ordinarily,
an animal caught in a snare  can be released unharmed.
One of the animals I am targeting is coyotes (and the
complaint was that coyotes were killing area cats)

Duh.. If your cats are becoming lunch for wild animals,
to me .. It makes sense to keep your cats in where they
can't become lunch.. whatever.

Regarding this cat in the snare. It went nuts. It leaped,
and tangled itself, and most certainly strangulated it's
intestines. It had the snare pulled tight down to the
diameter of a dime (just large enough to encircle the
spine) around the waist area.

This cats snarled, and attacked. Trying to extricate this cat
was exceedingly difficult, not to mention dangerous. Because
I feared damage to the intestines and death of the gut, I
imagined this cat was not likely to survive.

It would have been much simpler to dispatch the unfortunate
cat and take out the dead body. Instead, this cat wore a
collar. it deserved a chance, and the owner deserved closure.
(no id on the collar).

It escaped, just as I released it and it couldn't be taken to
the vet for examination. I will probably never know if this
particular cat survives the experience or not.

People in the area were aware that trapping was being done and
apparently still let their cats run free, b oth endangered by
the traps and by the coyotes being targeted that are causing a
problem with their cat population.

Had that cat not been wearing a collar, I would not have tried
to release this hostile cat. Releasing it may not have been a
kindness, but then... cats weren't supposed to be attracted to
this type of trap, in this position, and then they weren't
supposed to go ape, to get themselves in this situation.
If you like your pet, you keep them home.

          ---------------------- 

Unless of curse, you got some EXXXTRA ammo left
over from last year. Then you could just SHOOT them.

diddler wrote:
"I was in that position once when Becky was hit
 by a car when my son left the yard gate open."

Fromdiddy <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:43:30 -0500

Subject: Re: Rural person needs help euthanizing his loving pet.

I think sedating her with benedryl until she was overly sleepy, and
injecting her with Epsom salts IV should cause such chemical
imbalance that it should do the trick.

I'm not sure how humane that would be, It would cause a heart attack.
Well placed gun shots are probably the most immediate, effective and
humane, but then, you said that was not acceptable. Carbon dioxide is
NOT humane.. it's slow and agonizing as the other g***** in car
exhaust burn out the lungs causing agonizing death.

                    ----------------------------

          BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

diddy wrote:

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

 > We have a beagle. Before we got our last one,
 > we knew what to expect and spent a year re-enforcing
 > the fence.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

 > What we did.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

 > Double fencing, hardware cloth lined on the inside.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> Wood ties under gates.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> A chicken wire apron extending out into the yard
> 12 inches.(hog ringed to the upright fencing).

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

 > We chose chicken wire because it was flexible
 > and ground conforming. grass grows right over
 > it, making it invisible and easy to mow over.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

 > It's tacked down by tent stakes every 10 inches.
 > (this is our most considerable investment)

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

 > The problems with it is that it eventually disintegrates,
 > rusts, pulls apart and need repair a lot.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

 >  We placed tile blocks over the top, because
 >  the tent stakes stick up, and sometimes get
 > hit by the lawnmower.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

 > Overall, it's a pretty decent system and works
 > MOST of the time.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

 > The beagle is persistent, and tends to work the inner
 > fencing, that's flimsy down, or tear it, making exit holes.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

>  We recently cut down a couple yard trees that broke
> down sections of the fence and they need re-enforcement.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

 > When the weather breaks, a whole new fence is
 > in order, but the system works MOST of the time.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

 > We did install an underground perimeter E-fence
 > at the fence line, and found a single strand 12 inch
 > high electric cattle fence around the perimeter was
 > just as effective, cheaper, less bothersome (no need
 > to wear heavy e-collars.. especially that mess up coats),
 > but both needed occassional maintenence.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

 > What we did.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

 > I admit our system fails occassionally, especially
 > when snow drifts are over the top of the fences
 > and erase any identifiable fenceline.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

 > We installed (BEFORE getting the beagle) a 100
 > foot trolly line that crosses the yard.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

 > This is a safe, effective restraint system that has
 > always worked when immediate repairs or extra
 > security is desired.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

 > If I go away and leave the beagle outside. He goes
 > to the trolly line, whether the containment system
 > is currently working or not.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

 > It's great for emergency situations, and the $17 last
 > resort system gets used for the beagle far more than
 > I ever expected. It still allows reasonable exercise
 > range of area and mobility. The elkhounds and the
 > beagle still play avidly, and it's the cheapest piece of
 > mind security ever.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

 > A trolly tether system is the best for tem****ary
 > containment while discovering where the leak is.
 > In the snow, it's easy to discover the
 > leak. In the summer, it's more difficult.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

 > I do not like, or use our current underground collar system

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

                        --------------- 

                       LIKE THIS:

 From: diddy (di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: cats : Crating/Caging: What constitutes abuse?
Date: 2002-08-23 09:18:08 PST

Lyn wrote:
   > > You know I'm a cat abuser because I let my cat out.
   > >  Alison
   >
   > Well, it totally depends upon where you live, as to whether
   > or not doing so is in the best interest of your animal.
   > Abuser isn't a term I would use, and I am a "cat group"
   > regular.

Here it would be abuse. If you like your cat you keep it
home. I run a state authorized and monitored nuisance
animal trapline.

This  morning there was a cat in a snare. Ordinarily,
an animal caught in a snare  can be released unharmed.
One of the animals I am targeting is coyotes (and the
complaint was that coyotes were killing area cats)

Duh.. If your cats are becoming lunch for wild animals,
to me .. It makes sense to keep your cats in where they
can't become lunch.. whatever.

Regarding this cat in the snare. It went nuts. It leaped,
and tangled itself, and most certainly strangulated it's
intestines. It had the snare pulled tight down to the
diameter of a dime (just large enough to encircle the
spine) around the waist area.

This cats snarled, and attacked. Trying to extricate this cat
was exceedingly difficult, not to mention dangerous. Because
I feared damage to the intestines and death of the gut, I
imagined this cat was not likely to survive.

It would have been much simpler to dispatch the unfortunate
cat and take out the dead body. Instead, this cat wore a
collar. it deserved a chance, and the owner deserved closure.
(no id on the collar).

It escaped, just as I released it and it couldn't be taken to
the vet for examination. I will probably never know if this
particular cat survives the experience or not.

People in the area were aware that trapping was being done and
apparently still let their cats run free, b oth endangered by
the traps and by the coyotes being targeted that are causing a
problem with their cat population.

Had that cat not been wearing a collar, I would not have tried
to release this hostile cat. Releasing it may not have been a
kindness, but then... cats weren't supposed to be attracted to
this type of trap, in this position, and then they weren't
supposed to go ape, to get themselves in this situation.
If you like your pet, you keep them home.

                   ---------------------- 

                            SEE?
 




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I'm from Alabama
Shih Tzu Mom <sassyadd  2008-10-03 09:14:22 
Re: I'm from Alabama
diddy <none>   2008-10-03 11:39:45 
Re: I'm from Alabama
"Delusional_Dimensio  2008-10-05 11:45:16 
Re: I'm from Alabama
madge <spammailformadg  2008-10-05 16:48:15 
Re: I'm from Alabama
Kathleen <khhfmdeletet  2008-10-03 14:22:01 
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Re: I'm from Alabama
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Re: I'm from Alabama
Rocky <3dogs@[EMAIL PR  2008-10-04 02:25:03 
Re: I'm from Alabama
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Re: I'm from Alabama
Rocky <3dogs@[EMAIL PR  2008-10-05 03:05:51 
Re: I'm from Alabama
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Re: I'm from Alabama
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Re: I'm from Alabama
elegy <elegy@[EMAIL PR  2008-10-04 20:21:17 
Re: I'm from Alabama
shore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-10-04 22:00:57 
Re: I'm from Alabama
elegy <elegy@[EMAIL PR  2008-10-05 07:19:05 
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Re: I'm from Alabama
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