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>> First it was her Frontline medicine. We've never
>> figured out her objection to it.
It's a DEADLY NEURO-TOXIN.
> I think ours just don't like the feel. But they sit through it
> because that entitles them to the rare treat of their tasty liver
> heartworm pills... to the point where they come running when
> they hear us get out the packages.
Do you think it's WIZE to give a double dose of neuro-toxins?:
* Here is a testimonial from a distraught cat owner
"Used Advantage on my cat and shes sick"
* Mary Ann lost her beloved bearded collie 'Kaimen' as a
result of using Advantage Flea Drops. "Advantage flea drops were
recomended by my veteranarian to control Kaimens flea problems.
The drops were placed on the back of his head in the nape of the
neck. After using Advantage for 13 months a growth the size of a
golf ball emerged in that very same spot where the Advantage flea
drop were placed.
The growth was made of a grey colored flesh with a putrid odor.
A purulent putrid liquid oozed out of it. Kaimen was taking to the
vet, where I learned more about the growth and just how deadly
Advantage is to our pets. The pesticide that is used in Advantage
is called lmidacloprid and should NOT be absorbed through the skin.
I learned that dogs and rats who were used to test this pesticide
developped thyroid cancer and it affected their appetite. My dog
Kaimen died at the age of two as a resuslt of using Advantage
which caused a tumerous cancer to develop in his neck and which
metastasized in his brain. I sent Bayer, the maker of Advantage, a
letter with a return receipt but they never bothered to reply to my
letter."
* Ivermectin (IverHeart, Heartgard,
Heartgard,
TriHeart, Ivomec) - stimulates excessive release of neurotransmitters in
the
peripheral nervous system of parasites; it is thought to work by
paralyzing
the parasite or inactivating the gut
o Other parasites - Heartgard Plus &
IverHeart Plus contain pyrantel pamoate, which helps control hookworms and
roundworms
o Side effects - usually only seen in
overdoses or allergic reactions (common in collies or herding breeds) -
ataxia, abnormal behavior, depression, vomiting, dilated pupils, drooling,
disorientation, restlessness, stiffness, sleepiness, whining, groaning,
head
pressing or bobbing, aggression, chewing fits, apprehension, decrease in
heart rate, seizures, hyperthermia, weakness, breathing difficulties, and
cyanosis. Severe intoxication results in signs of shock, pulmonary edema,
breathing difficulties, increase in heart rate, muscle tremors, coma, and
death. In dogs, where ivermectin has caused death of microfilarias
(immature
heartworms), anaphylactic reactions may be the cause of the signs noted.
--------------------
From the website:
http://relinkz.com/KillYourDogTheOldFa****onedWay--OldAge!:
"While these new products are suggested as safer than
their predecessors, they indicate high levels of acute and
chronic poisoning from short term use. Method of action
Whether or not it is purposeful, manufacturers of these
spot-on flea products have managed to convince many
veterinarians and animal guardians that these products
are not absorbed into our dogs' systems.
The companies' literature describes in vague and
contradictory detail how the chemicals don't go
beyond the hair follicles and at layers of the dogs' skin.
Take, for example, information published on Merial's
Web site for Frontline ("How Frontline Works"). In
one place, it clearly states that fipronil (Frontline's
"active" ingredient) is absorbed into the skin ("Sebaceous
glands provide a natural reservoir for Frontline. . ."),
but other statements suggest that fipronil stays there and
then leaves through the same entry point without moving
into any other parts of the dog's body - an illogical conclusion.
When the EPA's Dr. Dobozy reviewed the results of a
fipronil metabolism study, she re****ted that "significant
amounts of radio- labeled fipronil were found [not only]
in various organs and fat . . . [but they were also] excreted
in the urine and feces, and were present in other parts of
the body . . . which demonstrated that the chemical is
absorbed systemically."
Veterinarians and pet owners who pay close attention
can witness evidence that these products are indeed
systemically absorbed. Dr. Stephen Blake, a San Diego
veterinarian, relates a client's experience: "We put
Advantage on the backs of our dogs and could smell it
on their breath in a matter of minutes following the
application." Blake stated that this indication of immediate
absorption did not tally with what he had been led to
believe by reading Bayer's literature.
He continues to question its safety for his clients' animals.
Neurological health effects
Logic tells us that a topical chemical that is not absorbed
into the skin has no chance of causing neurotoxic effects.
Then why do the Material Data Safety Sheets (MSDSs)
for all the permethrin-containing pesticides recommend
preventing their products from having prolonged contact
with the skin?
And why do they all state that skin sensations, such as
"numbness and tingling," can occur? Schering-Plough's
MSDS makes an additional statement about its Defend
EXspot Treatment: "can be harmful if absorbed through
the skin and harmful following inhalation," causing
headaches, dizziness, and nausea.
Bayer does not reveal more than 90 percent of the
ingredients in Advantage, but its MSDS does warn
us to "use a respirator for organic va****s" in order to
avoid "respiratory tract irritation and other symptoms
such as headache or dizziness" (symptoms of nervous
system exposure).
Bayer's promotional literature for Advantage, however,
states that "studies prove that using 20-24 times the
dosage on dogs and cats does not cause any internal or
external side effects," and that ". . . switching to Advantage
from another flea control product poses virtually no risk to
your pet."
--------------
"An unidentified "inert" ingredient in the flea product
Advantage was implicated in the death of kittens who
received doses within laboratory tolerances. Why don't
pesticide manufacturers have to disclose all the ingredients
in their products?"
"Dr. Graham Hines, a veterinarian from the United
Kingdom, treated a four-year-old female German
Shepherd who had two Advantage Top Spot treatments.
He re****ted that "both times she became unusually clingy,
and would not leave her guardian's side, yet paced up and
down all day, very restlessly.
These symptoms persisted for 48 hours before a gradual
return to her normal state." The neurotoxic effects were
clear to Dr. Hines. Dr. Blake also finds different results
than the Bayer literature. "We are told that the product
affects only insects' nervous systems, not mammals'.
Several of my clients told me that they accidentally got
some Advantage on their hands and when they touched
their mouths, their lips became immediately numb for
several hours. So much for not having an effect on
the nervous system of mammals."
----------------
"The spot-on flea products fall into four general categories
of insecticides. All have neurotoxic effects. The first three -
imidacloprid (a chloro-nicotinyl insecticide), fipronil (a
phenylprazole insecticide), and permethrin (a synthetic
broad spectrum pyrethroid insecticide) - all work by
disrupting the nervous system of insects, killing by
contact or ingestion.
Fipronil was introduced in the United States in 1996.
It is a neurotoxin and suspected human carcinogen.
Fipronil can cause liver toxicity, thyroid lesions (cancer),
damage to the kidneys, increased cholesterol levels,
alterations in thyroid hormones, incoordination, labored
breathing, increased miscarriages, and smaller offspring."
---------------------
When Dr. Dobozy reviewed the re****ts from fipronil
product studies, she found that Frontline "does not
adequately describe the severe reactions" re****ted by
veterinarians - sloughing, "chemical burn" conditions,
and extensively affected areas well beyond the
application site.
When these incidents were re****ted, Merial recommended
bathing the dogs. That's strange, because their literature
indicates the product remains effective after bathing. The
MSDS for Bayer's Advantage tell us that "prolonged
contact with the skin can cause defatting of the skin due
to solvent component in the products," to "avoid skin
contact," "to wear appropriate gloves when handling
he product," and to "wash off any contamination."
-------------------
> --Glenn Lyford
IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
HOWEDY Nell71,
Nell71 wrote:
> Re: Broken Heart Needs Answers/Help My dog has died
That's too bad Nell71. The Freakin Simply Amazing
Puppy Wizard will PREY for him <{): ~ ( >
> and I was hoping if I give you the details that you could
> shed some light on what could have happened to her.
Could be. The DOG LOVERS you're askin here abHOWETS got
very long posted case histories of hurtin intimidatin an murderin
innocent defenseless dumb critters through TRADITIONAL abuse
mishandling and veterinary care and malpractice <{): ~ ( >
DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS <{) : ~ ( >
> The vet didn't know
Of curse not. LikeWIZE you'll NOTICE the veterinary EXXXPERTS
here abHOWETS didn't respond to your post. PERHAPS they're
TOO BUSY tendin to their own DEATHLY ILL dogs?
> and we couldn't face an autopsy.
Your vet probably "couldn't find" anything anyHOWE.
> We have talk to a few professionals who deny Frontline
> could have been the prbolem.
Naaaah? DO TELL???
> At 5pm on Monday night, Frontline Plus was applied as per instructions.
The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard don't approve
of using toxic substances on livin critters UNLESS we
want to MURDER them. There's PLENTY of NON TOXIC ways
to CON-TROLL fleas and DIS-EASES. Fully 90% of ALL DIS-
EASE are idiopathic / iatrogenic in nature IOW CAUSED
BY traditional abuse and veterinary malpractice <{) : ~ ( >
You'll find PLENTY of alternatives to TOXINS in Dr. Pitcairn's
books on Natural Pet Care. HOWEver, HOWER DOG LOVERS
PREFER to buy toxins from their TRUSTED veterinary malpracticioners
like we got RIGHT HERE whom The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy
Wizard has IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and DISCREDITED as bein LIARS DOG ABUSERS
FRAUDS and MALPRACTICIONERS <{): ~ ( >
> By about 6.30-7pm she was showing signs of disorientation,
> looking vague (I would call her and she stared blankly at me),
> fatigue, panting heavily, a little drool, excessive thirst. No
> vomiting but a 'hack' a couple of times. No diarrheoa. No
> bleeding that we could see. We phoned 24 hour local vet
> who said it couldn't be the Frontline she would be ok.
INDEED?
> We watched her over night, but by morning still very thirsty, fatigued,
> vague. Called our vet who said if she was still the same later that day
to
> bring her in. My partner was finally able to get off work to check on
her
> at 4pm that day on the Tuesday. Temperatures outside were 38c and he
> found her sitting by the pool gate (we always left the doors open so she
> could have stayed inside in the cool), panting heavily, glassy eyed,
> drooling, a little foamy in corners of mouth, tongue blueish under and
> white on top, gums whiteish.
S-HOWENDS like POISONING.
> He got her into the car, by the time he reached the vet 5 minutes away
she
> was limp. The vet gave her 2 adrenalin shots and got her heart going
again
> but she died. If it is any help with diagnosing, she has always been a
> little 'simple'. We lovingly said she was our down syndrome dog as she
> hung her head to the left from birth with her tongue hanging out the
left
> side of her mouth. She was always a little left sided when walking etc.
Perhaps the Frontline neuro toxins had a more
severe effect on her due to some birth defect.
> She would run and get the ball and drop it
> straight away then run to you with nothing.
That's pretty normal. Could be she was tryin to
get YOU to retrieve her ball an throw it again.
> She would growl when you hugged her and we
> have never hurt her for her to be aggressive.
Could be she was just TALKIN affectionately.
> We have been told maybe she had a neurological disorder,
Yeah. PROBABLY from the Frontline NEURO TOXIN.
> does it sound like it to you?
Yeah...
> We have Rhubarb in our pool area but don't think
> she ate any although this is toxic.
Dogs don't ordinarily eat it.
> We get poisoned dead rats in the pool area (from other people,
Unless she's VERY small eatin a poisoned rat
probably wouldn't kill her. Rat poison usually
takes a few days to work usually requiring more
than WON feedin on the poison.
> we don't use snail pellets or rat poison ourselves) and
> found one there the day after
A rat coulda carried it in.
> but it wasn't undisturbed, could a 'lick' have killed her?)
Probably not.
> Frankly we blame ourselves as it seems too coincidental
> for it to be anything but the Frontline Plus.
Well WHO TOLD YOU to use Frontline?
> What do you think the symptoms show?
Sounds like she died from NEUROTOXINS.
> Any past experiences, thoughts are appreciated,
You're askin LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS and ACTIVE
ACUTE CHRONIC LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES
who'll DO an SAY ANY THING to DEFEND their alleged RIGTH to
HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER innocent defenseless dumb
critters <{); ~ ) >
> Thanks in advance
BugF'nNUTS aka "buglady" works for a VETERINARIAN.
Her own DEATHLY ILL DOGS are DYIN from STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome
suggested you "HONOR YOUR DOG" by FORGETTIN abHOWET IT.
> --
> Nell71
--------------
Subject: Advantix and Mood Change
From: Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory
HOWEDY sharon aka sharon too, veterinary malpractice
office manager, mrs. veterinary malpracticioner, liar,
dog abuser, coward, animal murderin FRAUD mental case,
Sharon wrote:
> > I tried this with Maui, my 14 pound poodle and
> > he had a bad reaction to it so I have 3 of the 4
> > vials left.
BWEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
> > I can't return them to the vet
Didn't she BUY the POISON from her veterinary malpracticioner?
> > so I was hoping someone might want to buy them from me.
It made her dog SICK. Doesn't THAT tell you sumpthin?
> > If anyone uses this brand and size and is
> > interested in getting a good deal on some,
It POISONS dogs.
> > please email me or post here.
You'd have to be INSANE to do THAT to your own dog.
> > They are brand new, not expired and purchased
> > within the month. They are still in the original
> > but opened box. Thanks.
> First things first.
You think she should hire a lawyer?
> Call Bayer.
Did you MISSPELL LAWYER?
> The phone number should be on the package.
Look up state board of veterinary medical EXXXAMINERS and
ASK THEM HOWE COME their licensed vet POISONED her dog.
> If you bought the product through the vet, Bayer may
> reimburse you. The reaction may be from the product
> being dosed in one spot versus several.
THAT'S INSANE. And it's a LIE.
> But in any event, call the manufacturer.
Wouldn't your office GUARANTEE the products THEY SELL???
> -Sharon
From: Sharon
Date: Sun, Apr 30 2006 11:03 pm
Email: "Sharon" <askformya...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
I think it's best to think of garlic as it relates to fleas
like sprinkling sage around the edges of a kitchen to keep
ants out. The ants are still there - alive - procreating,
just like the fleas will be. Further, fleas can cause issues
with the humans in the house. It's better to ask your vet
about a product that will kill all stages of the fleas' life
cycle.
-Sharon
From: showdogbark -
Date: Sun, Apr 30 2006
Garlic is not to be used in large does in the mixture I mentioned,
the other things that are offensive to fleas is the Engevta Yeast
and the Flake yeast, some people find just using the two yeasts
enough of a flea deterrent. Powdered garlic is much easier to use
in about one teaspoon to two cups of the yeast mixture. It does
not take much and that is not logical that there is a temptation
to use more as it is not addicting, and as I mentioned it is not
the garlic alone that works it is the mixture of the yeasts along
with it.
The smell of the yeasts is not appealing to fleas. Another
method that works for many people is to take a teaspoon of
the mixture for a severe case and rub it into the dog's fur,
for as I said the fleas do not like the smell, and then after
that feed it to the dog sprinkled on it's food twice a day.
What would a vet know except something that would be
self serving to sell, yeast and garlic do not line
their pockets.
Show Dog
From: Amy Dahl
Date: Fri, Jul 2 1999 12:00 am
Email: Amy Dahl <a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
I don't have directly relevant experience, but would like
to suggest the usual--get a second opinion! Especially
before electing surgery.
I once had an experience involving cataracts and a kitten
which woke me up to how block-headed a veterinary specialist
can be (of course, you have to take my word for something the
vet. ophthalmologist did not).
I had adopted two "rescued" kittens that were found at the
age of about 1 day and raised on a foster mother. They had
various health problems, did not thrive, etc. Everything
kind of went together--they were poor, so even with up-to-date
flea treatments couldn't fight off the fleas, so they were
anemic, stayed poor, etc. When it became clear that loving
care, good food, and flea treatments weren't enough I took
them to my vet (who is very good). They were four months
old and about as big as the average 5-6 week kitten.
My vet treated them with several things, of which I remember
Ivomec for ear mites and feline Program (which had just come
out), tested and vaccinated for feline AIDS, which I had
never heard of.
The next morning, the male kitten was blind! The pupils of
his eyes were milky blue--completely clouded by cataracts.
I just happened to have an appointment to CERF a *****, so
I took the kitten along. The vet. ophthalmologist told me,
"he's got congenital cataracts." Well, I know what congenital
means. I had already explained to her that his eyes had been
fine before taking him to the vet the previous day. She
didn't say, you're wrong, you didn't notice. She didn't
acknowledge the discrepancy between my observation and her
statement. She just repeated "they're congenital cataracts.
He's been this way since birth." She informed me about the
surgery and the cost--$1600 per eye at that time.
Twilight Zone theme here. I don't know about the rest of you,
but when face with this level of adamant assertion, I question
what I know. I was sure he'd been able to jump and climb, that
the bumping into things and crying was new that morning. When
I got home I called my vet to verify that the cat had been able
to see the previous day.
Because my vet had a couple of emergencies that day (Friday)
I didn't have the kitten put down. Lo and behold, by Monday
his pupils seemed to respond to light and he wasn't bumping
into things any more! The cloudiness gradually faded away
to nothing (to my unpracticed eye).
Then the next month I treated him with Program again and the
cataracts came back--not as severe, but this time they left
him with permanent cloudiness in one eye. My vet called her
ophthalmology professor from vet school and he mentioned the
possibility of "toxic cataracts," certainly not recorded as
a consequence of Program, but some medical treatments
(antibiotics, I think) cause cataracts in animals which are
in poor health--and sometimes these cataracts resolve.
I take the moral of this story to be that, just because
you are talking to a veterinary specialist, doesn't mean
they necessarily know what they're talking about.
--
Amy Frost Dahl Retriever Trainin phone: (910) 295-6710
Oak Hill Kennel & Handling email: a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
NC 28370 (http://www.oakhillkennel.com)
Subject: Warning Revolution Heartworm Med
From: LUVAPOOCH
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2000 3:00 am
Email: luvapo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(LUVAPOOCH)
Kelly Cruzan On 3/15/00 wrote:
I asked my Vet for a Heartworm preventive for my 2 year
old Australian Shepherd, Sage. They recommended Revolution.
It was applied on 3/15/00. On 3/20/00 Sage developed a cough,
but she was otherwise fine.
She had had a bath at the Vet on 3/15/00 also, so I decided
to watch her for further symptoms. On 3/23/00 she was fine
until late afternoon when she became quiet and didn't want
to play.
By 7pm that night, she had trouble opening her left eye and
whimpered when she jumped down from the couch or bed. In
the past, Sage always had a tendency to bruise easily.
She had sensitive skin and worry an area until it bruised.
She had no trouble with her blood clotting and had been
previously spayed.
She now had bruising on her body. When I took her to the
Vet, he asked if she had been in rat poison. I informed
him that she was an inside dog and only went out to play
with the kids and to use the bathroom. My neighbors have
pets and do not put out poisons. They also asked if she
had had a blow to the head because there was blood in the
whites of her eyes that was not there yesterday.
I stated that she was not hit in the head. I asked if it
could be the Revolution and was informed that it could not
be. I told my vet that was the only thing that Sage had
been exposed to.
He did a CBC and her platelets were 87 and WBC count was
27,000. her Hct was 37. He treated her for infection and
rat poisoning and sent us home.
Within 3 hours she was falling over. I rushed her back
to the Vet and he kept her until 5pm that afternoon. I
brought her home after they said she was doing better.
At 6pm she was again falling over and I called my Vet back
and was informed to bring her back the next day. By 11pm,
she was bleeding from her nose and had vomited with streaks
of bright red blood. My husband and I drove her to an ER
clinic in Savannah, GA and was told that it was either a tick
born disease or rat poisoning or a blow to the head.
I again asked if could be the Revolution and was informed no.
They kept her and treated her as my vet. When I called at
6am, I was informed that she was having seizures but she was
otherwise stable. I was worried about a subdural hematoma
and talked with my Vet.
He suggested I take Sage to Charleston, SC to see a Specialist.
She arrived there at 4:30pm. When I gave her history, I again
asked if it could be the Revolution and was informed no. Later
that night Sage continued to have seizures and she bled into the
orbits of her eyes, but they said their was still hope.
At 6:45am they called and said Sage had arrested and
was on a ventilator. We asked that they let her go.
This has been devastating to my family.
We loved that dog. She was a family member. At 10am, the
clinic called and asked for an autopsy. They informed me
that another dog had died last month there, with symptoms
the same as Sage. The dog was an inside dog and the only
thing different was that the owner had started Revolution.
The dog died of low platelets and intracrannial
hemorrhage just like Sage.
The vet in Charleston called the Revolution people and
they are paying for Sages autopsy. They also paid for
the other dogs autopsy. That autopsy showed low platelets
and intracrannial hemorrhage from a toxin. (? Revolution
was the only toxin the owners had given).
I will not know the results of the autopsy for a month,
but I believe it was the Revolution. If 2 dogs have died
in the Savannah-Charleston area in the last month, how
many nation wide.
Please spread the word for owners to be careful about
using this drug on their dogs. No dog should suffer
like my Sage suffered.
Thanks for Listening,
Terri Eddy
Rincon, GA
HOWEDY jst,
jst wrote:
> Sharon wrote:
> > What are you doing for flea prevention?
Allergies are a result of compromised auto-immune
system. Auto-immune systems are COMPROMISED
by STRESS, insufficient diet, and TOXINS. ALL
commercial dog food is GARBAGE.
sharon is a veterinary malpractice office manager and
mrs. veterinary malpracticioner and proven lyin dog
abusing punk thug coward active acute chronic long
term incurable mental case.
She SELLS toxins and prescription garbage diets for her livin
when she ain't SELLIN MUTILATIONS and MURDERIN
dogs and comfortin their owners while acceptin their payments.
She'll fleece you as fast as her own veterinary malpractice customers..
> Frontline, we live in the city but have a LOT of rabbits and
> squirrels in the area and they carry fleas like crazy.
"Crazy"? You want CRAZY? The only people who've replied
to you thus far are INSANE LYIN DOG ABUSING COWARDS
with very long verifiable posted case histories of THE SAME
PROBEM your dog got with NO CURE or solutions.
HOWEDY sharon aka sharon too veterinary malpractice
office manager and mrs. veterinary malpracticioner,
Sharon wrote:
> > Advantix is good, but it is HIGHLY toxic to cats! Even
> > if you dog lays down and leaves a small amount (if its
> > still wet) and the cat licks it,it can kill the cat. If
> > the cat grooms the dog even after if dry it will kill
> > the cat.
>
> That's not completely true.
Sez you sharon too? You've got a very long posted
case history of hurtin intimdiatin mutilatin and
murderin innocent defenseless dumb critters an lyin
abHOWET it <{): ~ ( >
> Should it be applied to the cat? No.
Perhaps is shouldn't be applied to dogs either?
> It takes no more than 12 hours to absorb into the skin.
> Separate the pets if it concerns you. But I can tell you
> that we've had no issues at our practice and the folks at
> both Merial (Frontline) and Bayer (Advantix) repeatedly
> mention that if it were the case, these preventives would
> never be on the market.
You think the SALES REP is gonna tell you the truth?
Perhaps you just fell HOWETA a cabbage truck an landed
on your head?
> As with any product or medication, directions must be
> followed and application to 4 spots is a must. It absorbs
> quickly this way.
You'll find PLENTY of alternatives to TOXINS in Dr. Pitcairn's
books on Natural Pet Care. HOWEver, HOWER DOG LOVERS
PREFER to buy toxins from their TRUSTED veterinary malpracticioners
like we got RIGHT HERE whom The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy
Wizard has IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and DISCREDITED as bein LIARS DOG ABUSERS
FRAUDS and MALPRACTICIONERS <{): ~ ( >
Subject: Warning Revolution Heartworm Med
From: LUVAPOOCH
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2000 3:00 am
Email: luvapo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(LUVAPOOCH)
Kelly Cruzan On 3/15/00 wrote:
I asked my Vet for a Heartworm preventive for my 2 year
old Australian Shepherd, Sage. They recommended Revolution.
It was applied on 3/15/00. On 3/20/00 Sage developed a cough,
but she was otherwise fine.
She had had a bath at the Vet on 3/15/00 also, so I decided
to watch her for further symptoms. On 3/23/00 she was fine
until late afternoon when she became quiet and didn't want
to play.
By 7pm that night, she had trouble opening her left eye and
whimpered when she jumped down from the couch or bed. In
the past, Sage always had a tendency to bruise easily.
She had sensitive skin and worry an area until it bruised.
She had no trouble with her blood clotting and had been
previously spayed.
She now had bruising on her body. When I took her to the
Vet, he asked if she had been in rat poison. I informed
him that she was an inside dog and only went out to play
with the kids and to use the bathroom. My neighbors have
pets and do not put out poisons. They also asked if she
had had a blow to the head because there was blood in the
whites of her eyes that was not there yesterday.
I stated that she was not hit in the head. I asked if it
could be the Revolution and was informed that it could not
be. I told my vet that was the only thing that Sage had
been exposed to.
He did a CBC and her platelets were 87 and WBC count was
27,000. her Hct was 37. He treated her for infection and
rat poisoning and sent us home.
Within 3 hours she was falling over. I rushed her back
to the Vet and he kept her until 5pm that afternoon. I
brought her home after they said she was doing better.
At 6pm she was again falling over and I called my Vet back
and was informed to bring her back the next day. By 11pm,
she was bleeding from her nose and had vomited with streaks
of bright red blood. My husband and I drove her to an ER
clinic in Savannah, GA and was told that it was either a tick
born disease or rat poisoning or a blow to the head.
I again asked if could be the Revolution and was informed no.
They kept her and treated her as my vet. When I called at
6am, I was informed that she was having seizures but she was
otherwise stable. I was worried about a subdural hematoma
and talked with my Vet.
He suggested I take Sage to Charleston, SC to see a Specialist.
She arrived there at 4:30pm. When I gave her history, I again
asked if it could be the Revolution and was informed no. Later
that night Sage continued to have seizures and she bled into the
orbits of her eyes, but they said their was still hope.
At 6:45am they called and said Sage had arrested and
was on a ventilator. We asked that they let her go.
This has been devastating to my family.
We loved that dog. She was a family member. At 10am, the
clinic called and asked for an autopsy. They informed me
that another dog had died last month there, with symptoms
the same as Sage. The dog was an inside dog and the only
thing different was that the owner had started Revolution.
The dog died of low platelets and intracrannial
hemorrhage just like Sage.
The vet in Charleston called the Revolution people and
they are paying for Sages autopsy. They also paid for
the other dogs autopsy. That autopsy showed low platelets
and intracrannial hemorrhage from a toxin. (? Revolution
was the only toxin the owners had given).
I will not know the results of the autopsy for a month,
but I believe it was the Revolution. If 2 dogs have died
in the Savannah-Charleston area in the last month, how
many nation wide.
Please spread the word for owners to be careful about
using this drug on their dogs. No dog should suffer
like my Sage suffered.
Thanks for Listening,
Terri Eddy
Rincon, GA
* A friend used Advantage on his dog who got sick from it.
He stopped using it and the dog recovered.
Reply Posted: on 2005-10-19
I have been going thru the same kind of problem with my Yorkie.
He is also on the Advantage flea protection. I am beginning to
wonder if this is a reaction to that medication.
If anyone else has this type of problem I would like to know.
I have been feeding him a hypo-allergenic type of dog food
with venison and potato as the main ingredients and just got
a capsul from my vet to put on the food for dry skin.
Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
Reply Posted: on 2005-10-19
that is interesting that you are wondering if it has anything
to do with the advantage. the last time i bought advantage, i
purchased the one for dogs 20-50 pounds. i know it is the same
formula but i always wondered if it was too much for their little
bodies since they only weigh about 20-25 pounds. it was after that
when i noticed the dogs itching excessively.
Flea Control - Cats
Just a little warning for all you cat owners out there. I work
at a veterinary clinic and have done so for the past 15 years.
We had a cat come in last week that had a severe reaction to
Advantage-Multi being applied wrong by the owner. It is very
im****tant to apply the medication at the base of the skull.
Not between the shoulder blades like other flea control products
like Revolution. Because the owners applied the Advantage at a
lower point the cat was able to turn around and lick the area and
Advantage Multi is not meant to be orally consumed.
The cat presented to the clinic with the following clinical signs:
fever, tachycardia, unable to walk and vomiting. We placed the cat
on IV fluids, started some medications and general nursing care and
the cat made a full recovery but if the owners had not noticed what
was happening with their pet they may have lost her.
Program - side effects?
Q: I have a 12 year old (18 lbs. Schnauzer) and a 3 year old (75 lbs.
collie) - The collie is presently on heartworm medication and
hypothyroid medication (2 pills daily - .05mm each)- the collie is
prone to seizures approximately every 8-9 weeks, we believe from the
hypothyroidism.
Will putting the collie on The Program flea control pill monthly
cause any reaction or side effects with the other medications the
dog is on? Would it be safe?
And the 12 year old is on no medications but on a special
diet due to fatty stones just surgically removed.
I want my animals safe and I don't like giving them medications
unless absolutely necessary. Frontline flea control was expensive
and did not work for my animals last flea season. Topical treatments
are just not enough and I am suspicious that some of the flea bombs
and dips that I have used in the past may have been toxic enough to
have caused these seizures in my collie.
The seizures have only been noticable since January of this year.
Thank you for your time.
Please respond. RJ in Pennsylvania
A: RJ - There is no evidence that I am aware of that Program (Rx)
will induce or facilitate seizures. It should be safe to use in
this situation and does not interact with the medications listed.
It is always hard to figure out what is causing seizures and many
times it is impossible to do so.
That leaves a lot of room for guessing at causes. It is probably
unlikely that previous insecticide use is the cause of the seizures
but it is probably possible. Hypothyroidism has been implicated
as a cause of seizures but it is probably not a common cause, either.
Supplementation of thyroid hormone should reduce the incidence
of seizures if hypothyroidism is the underlying cause.
Advantage - skin reaction possible
Q: We have a 7 month old golden who has dermatitis on the back of
the neck. The area affected is about 6" diameter. We are treating
with Cephalexin antibiotic and Gentocin topical spray.
My question regards the source of the infection. This location
matches the position where we apply Advantage flea control
(Imadacloprid).
I have been unable to find information regarding side affects of
this flea control. Can it act as a skin irritant that would lead
to infection? Would you discontinue this flea control?
A: Tom- I have seen some anecdotal re****ts of reactions to
Advantage (Rx) at the site it is put on. While this is a relatively
minor problem as reactions to medications go there is still no
reason to use it if it causes problems.
It is possible to use Frontline (Rx) or Program (Rx) as alternatives
for flea control. I would not give up on flea control entirely over
a reaction to one medication.
Mike Richards, DVM
The topical version (vs. the spray version) of Frontline (Rx) has
been more successful on long haired breeds such as collies, for us.
If Program does not control the fleas you might consider trying this -
or using both Program and Frontline or Advantage (Rx).
I hope that the seizures do diminish as time goes on.
Mike Richards, DVM
Gave her a dose of Revolution, hoping to prevent mange, and
she went into a shaking fit and wouldn't get up for hours.
(Anyone want to buy some Revolution cheap? I have 5 vials left.).
2 months ago, I ran out of the Revolution, and had a few extra
Advantage vials left over that I hadn't used yet, the date was
still good, and since a full month had passed, I saw no reason
why I couldn't apply the Advantage to the sheepies.
Annabelle had no reaction, but Jack lost a patch of hair the size
of a 3 inch circle in diameter, and the area turned red and raw.
I assume it was a reaction to the Advantage, it healed quickly
and the hair has grown back. I won't try that again though.
Rolling Eyes
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