HOWEDY flick you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten
lyin dog abusng mental case and RESCUE DOG
SAVIHOWER,
"many_dogs" <many_dogs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "Jerry" <jerryalan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>
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>
> <snipped>
>
>>We've left him outside for a few hours and
>> when we bring him back inside he'll still do it.
>
> You need to be out there with him when he poops, so you can tell him,
> "Good dog! You had to GO OUT!!"
That's ABSURD, flick. Praising or REWARDING a dog
"AFTER THE FACT" is SHEER IDIOCY. AIN'T THAT
what you'd call "BAD TIMING" if you was TRYIN to
"teach" a behavior, flick <{}: ~ ( >
Perhaps he needs to HURT and INTIMIDATE his
dog when IT ****s in his HOWES, eh, flick?
LIKE THIS:
"Violence isn't a solution when you're teaching children,
who can reason.
Animals can't reason in the same way that kids can.
So-called "violence" - or a humane, immediate, but
uncomfortable correction - is sometimes the best
way to deal with an animal's transgressions, IMO.
Otherwise, you're no more annoying than a gnat,
and about as meaningful," flick 100785.
SEE?
> Even if your yard is fenced, put a leash on him and walk him around the
> yard. Some dogs seem to need the stimulus of a bit of mild exercise to
> get things moving.
While that's true, THAT AIN'T jerry's PROBLEM. His
dog is AFRAID to relieve hisself IN FRONT of him.
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Subject: Brilliant Observation on Electic Fences and E-Collars ...
"I'm not in favor, generally, of using violence on dogs.
However, some sanity here. Momma Dog punishes her
puppies using some discomfort/pain, or "violence" - her
teeth.
In view of that, I think anyone who is rabidly against
"violence" by your definition, in the training of dogs,
is either a troll or needs to have their head examined.
Any more of this stupidity and I'll probably killfile you,"- -flick 100785
SEE?
PERHAPS his dog won't relieve hisself in his yard on
accHOWENTA he's got a nice SHOCK FENCE like
HOWE you recommend?
LIKE THIS:
Subject: Greyhound in Apartment?
.... That net-style electric fence would accomplish both
things for the OP (if it's tall enough), plus it's ****table.
flick 100785
Dog chasing cars
May 13 2004, 11:51 by flick
.... IMO best fence for confining dogs is a combination
of physical barrier and hot wire at top and bottom. ...
flick 100785 We are also thinking of a shocking collar.
Boundry Control for Labrador Jan 18, by flick:
.... You can run another length of wire off your charger,
or your dog's fence, and ... flick 100785 -
"flick" <f...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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fencing can be pretty cheap. Fido-shock makes
a dog-strength charger that's around $40. A couple hundred
feet of wire, say $15-20. Get either pound-in T posts or
some PVC pipe for posts, $1-3 each. Only need 'em every
10-15 ft. If using T posts, you need plastic clips for the
wire, about $4 for 25. IMO best fence for confining dogs is
a combination of physical barrier and hot wire at top and bottom.
I use elec. fence to keep dogs on my property, out of the
road and away from the livestock, and it works like a charm.
"Frankly, I'd rather see them shot than dumped.
*(dumped = set free, turned loose, unmolested, TPW)
My preference would be for neither, naturally -
to a rescue, or keeping the dog. Cripes, it doesn't
cost *that* much to feed and care for a dog," flick 100785
From: flick <f...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004
I don't see anything wrong with, oh, I guess you'd call
it aversive training for animals - if the object of the
training is to SAVE THE PET'S LIFE. And such is
probably the case if a dog owner is trying to keep a
loose cat out of the yard. flick
From: flick <f...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:09:19 -0600
Subject: Re: Suggestion for an electonic fence system
Julia Altshuler wrote:
> Melinda Shore wrote:
>> A hotwire is generally more reliable.
> But wouldn't the hotwire be something that could be touched by an
> unknowing human stranger? I like the idea of knowing that the wire only
> works on the one wearing the collar.
Not terribly likely, if you run it along the *inside*
of the fence. The one at the top can be offset a bit
inward rather than directly above the top of the fence.
You can also put up small signs that say "Caution -
electric fence."
The dog charger I used to use felt about like being
whapped hard by a big rubber band.
flick 100785
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Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 20:00:20 -0400
Subject: Re: chainlink + efence backup
Jim <a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in news:yCNhe.83169$c24.60392@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Me and my girlfriend have finally saved up enough money to fence in our
> back yard. We have decided on 4 foot chainlink. Even with a 6 foot
privacy
> fence neighbors can look right over from their decks.
> We were going to try a underground fence only but after reading up and
> talking to people the risks just arent worth it. I realise some people
> have had them for 15+ years but they are just a accident waiting to
> happen.
> We have a beagle named Pokie. Very stubborn and frustrating but a
> wonderful dog. I have posted several times about our troubles with her.
> She is picky about where she takes a dump which takes 30+ minutes on
> walks. I'm starting to think Pokie has ocd, which is something I also
> suffer from.
> Anyway back to the fence questions. I was thinking of running the radio
> fence wire through the chainlink to prevent her from digging out. When
she
> was left in the care of a relative they caught her red handed trying to
> get under a chainlink fence. This wasnt her real home though and she
might
> of been nervous.
> I do not plan to leave her outside at night or when we are gone. I would
> like to feel safe letting her run around during the day when I'm home.
> I've heard underground fences are wonderful to keep dogs from digging
> under or jumping the real fence.
> Do you think the underground fence would cause the dog to be vicious? I
> will monitor closely to make sure kids or other dogs are not teasing
her.
> She has never biten anyone but about got a hold of a guys pant leg once.
> She also went nuts after the ups guy when I was walking her but they
were
> all in our yard and she didnt know them.
> Or is there another solution for staking down the fence or something?
Also
> with a 4 foot fence do I have to worry about other dogs jumping it? I've
> seen it happen only once in about 20 years. I've heard since dogs are
> territorial generally they will stay out especially if there is a fence.
I would use a regular electric fence in addition to the chainlink, not
a "radio fence," if possible. I realize it might not be possible in the
city. There are pet-strength chargers available for about $40. It
comes in a kit with 10 short plastic stakes and 100' of wire. One
brand is Fi-shock or Fido-shock, something like that. You can buy
insulator clips for chainlink fence, and more wire, at a home
improvement or feed store (about $5-8 for 25).
Run one wire on the inside of the fence at 4-6 inches from the ground,
and that should deter digging out. You must keep shrubs and grass from
touching the wire, or it grounds out and doesn't shock.
I'd also think about a 6ft fence rather than 4 ft if possible. 4 ft
doesn't seem tall enough to me, even for a Beagle.
flick 100785
From: misty (Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Date: 2002-01-23 07:46:16 PST
Beth wrote:
> So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.
The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home
were: build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan
on putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.
Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning
anything. At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.
By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had
already ran away.
Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread is
mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days. I
stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated that
his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.
The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.
Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it in
my e-mail ( no storage otherwise on webby unless you put stuff
on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it on
Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to lose
another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with little
kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I still look
to see if she came home when we get back from trips. Maybe
Peach would still have ran away... I don't know and never
will....
~misty
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"misty" <Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do
know she's not here with us. I really can't blame
anyone here for her loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it
because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling
to accept the idea that my using a shock collar
could have any bearing on Peach not wanting
to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had
been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my
concern became how to keep them from running
off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled
in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the
world now <g> A Wits End Trained dog, one who
is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up stuff,
stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
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misty" <Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and
no collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want
to come back in the yard and would run for days.
The last time, Peach didn't
come back home.
I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how
to train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in
the yard.
She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop
her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes
when we walk around the yard.
I can not say loud or long enough how much I
hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can't get
a regular fence then you need to train your dog.
I will never rely on an electronic collar to
keep my dog in our yard again.
The price was too high:-(
~misty
From: Nevyn (greatd...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: radio fence
Date: 2003-11-05 04:17:45 PST
Hi folks,
In my opinion the use of a radioshock fence
is a waste of time, effort or money. I can
understand it if you a rich snob who cares
nothing about their dogs safey or behaviours.
At work I boundary train all the dogs to the
bricked area (Four kennels with 26 cages
with 1 dog in each, 1 services building and
2 catterys which is surrounded by scrubland
to the east and woodlands to the north and
a lake to the west).
This works well, because then when people
buy them the dogs are easier to boundary
train to a door or fence or yard.
However on a personal note, my two shelter
mutts, who I trained using the WITS END
DOG MANUAL available at www.doggydoright.com
will not go past the back door, or the back
gate or the front gate without permission.
And it is nice, for when you are having a party,
you can leave your gates open for people, and
your dogs won't be the least concerned.
I find this better then spending your well
earned money on a piece of junk Why
not use it to invest in a horse? Or a new
house? Make a nice aquarium? Build a
nursery for a child?
Save your money. Train your dog. Please.
HOWEDY Group,
Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had
using JERRY'S MANUAL
1) My dogz, two *****es - Vicious, barking, aggressive,
pulled on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought
between each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual,
they were calm, friends, my companions.
2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment I
dropped him by their noses.
3) My FRIENDS dogs 2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!
Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !
4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!
5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !
Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull coloured
dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their
hairs coloured up amazingly.
6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!
BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!
Nevyn
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<"Terri"@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. He has millions of people aleady
> reading his posts and watching him extract his soggy foot out of his
> mouth! Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs come forward
> and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it. This naive
child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for
putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at
the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
we would not have had to hold the head of a really
magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide
behind fake names are more honest than people that use
their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going
to just go away because you people act like fools.
Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea,
and I don't really care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually admit to
buying
> and having success with his little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You
would never believe the results, so you'll never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by Jerry's posts
deserves
> to get what is sure to be coming to him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I
get to listen to the box first?)
HOWEDY granville,
granvi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Granville) wrote in
<vI62a.8882$V6.11...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
> I am in a spin.
Well, permit The Puppy Wizzzard to turn you INSIDE OUT.
That'll improve the spin... so you can kill your dog
in good conscience, just like you been HURTIN IT in good
consicience, cause that's the NATURE of a lying dog abusing
Punk Thug Coward who'd HURT their dog and then KILL IT, to
be FAIR.
>We have two golden retrievers.
Yeah. That won't last long, HOWEver.
> They are sisters
They WAS. WON IS ABOUT TO GET DEAD NOW.
> and just over a year old.
Yeah. The Puppy Wizzzard's been EXXXPECTING you.
WELCOME TO WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method School Of HARD
KNOCKS.
> As you would expect
You're about to KILL your dog, as PREDICTED.
> they are real softies.
Yeah. That's HOWE COME you'd HURT them. You wouldn't
have the balls to hurt a dog like The Puppy Wizzzard's
dogs, cause they'd mop the goddamned floors with you
for HURTIN them...
> No aggression,
Of course not. That's on account of they fear you,
cause you hurt them.
> you can take a bone away,
Cause you'll HURT them if they don't give it up...
> their dinner away and no problem...just a sad face.
Yeah... Just sad.
> I had both of them on a lead, was leaning against a wall and watching a
> game.
The Puppy Wizzzard don't PLAY games. You HURT your dogs,
that's HOWE COME they've now turned AGGRESSIVE:
From: Granville (granvi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: e-fencing question
Date: 2003-01-29 05:26:47 PST
I have found the secret is for the dog to associates
something different and new with crossing the barrier.
I put on the lead, leave on the collar,
turn the system off and walk the dog across.
Ok so the first time the resist, but they soon learn
that it's ok to cross over with their leash attached.
It gives them "permission" to cross with you and the leash.
I don't take the collar off, because I use a training
collar as well. I don't want the dog becoming "collar
smart" and only obey if they have the collar on."
The "training" collar being your PRONGED SPIKED
PINCH CHOKE collar...
> They were both sitting, quietly beside me.
Yeah.. just relaxin.
> Along comes a 3 year old child and pets the dogs, wagging tales , licks
to
> face etc. She was stroking them for about 5 mins. I had my back turned
and
> then.......
Then the dog looked around and seen the fences... and the
kids.
> The larger one (30kg) went for the child.
Yeah.. surprise, surprise, surprise...
> Bit her on the forehead, drew blood.
Good for you!
> This was not a quick nip, but about 3 seconds of sustained
> biting/attacking
The sight of the fence nearby the kids provoked
memories of every shock your poor dog has taken
from your shock fence.
> and needed me to pull the dog away.
Yeah. He went really NUTS cause YOU HURT HIM.
> The smaller dog (20kg) continued sitting and was not invloved at all.
He'll probably do the same thing, he's just learnin HOWE.
> Thankfully the child was fine.
That so? You think it's fine to get your head bit by
a dog at the park on lead?
> Nothing that a plaster and some TLC won't heal.
Yeah... a stroke of LUCK... hunh? You mighta got sued
BIG TIME had the dog ripped the kid's face off, like he
wanted to do for the kid, cause YOU HURT HIM.
> There was no provocation that I could see...
Of curse not!!! You'll NEVER SEE the TRUTH, cause
that's SCAREY, and THAT would MAKE YOU SAD. You're
EMBARRASSED lookin at your own HUMAN NATURE.
> not that that would excuse it.
We don't need EXXXCUSES for HURTIN HOWER dogs.
> I heard no whimper of say a finger poked in the dogs eye etc.
The child didn't HURT the dog. YOU DID. You BEEN HURTING IT
since day WON.
> I think the dog got a fright as much as the child...the dog peed
> everywhere.
The dog was frightened of YOU.
> I don't know what to do.
The Puppy Wizzzard does. The Puppy Wizzzard sez
only THUGS PUNKS and COWARDS HURT DOGS, and then
they KILL THEM, TO BE FAIR.
> Is this a fault in her?.
YOU HURT YOUR DOG TO "TRAIN" IT.
Now you wantPERMISSION to KILL IT.
You got The Puppy Wizzzard's PERMISSION to
KILL your dog... so long as you EXXXPLAIN
to your KIDS, HOWE COME YOU GOT TO KILL YOUR
DOG, CAUSE YOU HURT IT, and MADE IT FEAR CHILDREN.
> Can I trusther with my 7 year old child?.
Can society TRUST YOU with a child. The Puppy
Wizzzard sez NO. You're a liar and an abuser.
>I can't rationalise this behaviour.
Of curse you can... you have since the git go,
since day WON...
> She's doesn't appear to be sick,
It's YOU who is SICK.
> She lets my 7 year old roll and tumble with her all the time.
Cause she knows you'll HURT HER if she plays rough... like
the food and bone and pullin on leash. It's all the same
same same same...
>I have nieces and nephews that could now be at risk when they come over.
NOT IF YOU HURT THE DOG ENOUGH. She's SAFE, so long as
YOU HURT HER IN ADVANCE.
>So I need some words of wisdom
You're the bum who's been tellin US to HURT HOWER dogs.
>to help our family understand what we may be facing,
You're facing your own human nature, SUCKER.
> what we should do now
What you SHOULD do has NEVER been a question for
you. You've done what your HUMAN NATURE DICTATES:
HURT less capable beings, and LIE to DEFEND YOURSELF.
> and into the future
You'll KILL this dog, and in a few months when his
littermate turns on the family or a neighbor's kid,
you'll KILL IT, too...
And when your kids grow up and end up in jail or nutHOWESES,
you'll blame THEM for not listening to you when you was
SETTING THE EXXXAMPLE of HUMAN DECENCY.
> and how we should think about this incident.
The Puppy Wizzzard doesn't pander to lying dog abusing Punk
Coward Thugs who're fixin to KILL their dogs cause THEY HURT
THEM:
>Thanks
THANK YOU!!!
The Puppy Wizzzard NEEDS YOUR CASE HISTORY:
From: Granville (granvi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: It's not like that.....
Date: 2003-01-30 10:49:38 PST
I must disagree....none of what is contained in the
article resonates with me nor have I seen it with
the other 7 people I know who have an electric
fence.
The dogs restrained include Retrievers, Spaniels,
Wheaten Terriers, Labs.
I accept that there is a theoretical risk if you
have a highly strung or more bullheaded animal.
However I have seen such animals going beserk
behind fences and trying to dig under them and
gnawing at them.
In my view the animal has been out of control through
their dislike of any restraint. The problem is primarily
with the animal not the method of keeping them restrained.
However in this case it's a moot point...given we are
talking about a balanced animal.
I have two labs...and there has never been an issue of
agression nor their natural protective instincts being
heightened by the EF.
Strays get seen off and the dogs stop at the boundary
and bark .....at worst.
The notion that a stray getting into the fenced off
area and affectively having your dog captive within
the area is true, however I have never seen it.
Probably because dogs tend to protect their space,
and strays get the signals that they are not wanted.
But hey just for fun lets speculate for a while.....
Imagine your dog is pefect and sits in the yard...you
have no EF nor perimeter fence...In strolls another dog
into the yard.
What happens...if your dog sees them off, or plays..no
issue If your dog is fearful and cowers and stays in situ....
well thats just the dogs personality....no issue
Why would you put an EF down in this instance?.....
Strikes me as there is no need.
What happens if your dog bolts and/or chases rather
than stays in situ. Well unless you want to give total
freedom to run wherever they fancy, you either have him
permanently chained up, you put up a yard fence or you
lay down an EF.
In my view the best and most cost effective option
in keeping an even tempered and placid dog humanely
contained throughout the day is the EF.
In the two years I have had an EF I have could count
the amount of corrrections on two hands.
They learn really quickly.
By the way the installation is really easy..took me a
half day to do a yard...150 feet X 100 feet.
"jay jay" <jjf...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "julio" <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> > In article <b1b9es$11as4...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "jay jay"
> > <jjf...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > >"julio" <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > >news:3e3925d4$0$3123$45beb828@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I saw your post the
first
> > >time - thank you very much. But - wdj doesn't put up more than the
> > >first couple paragraphs of the article online.
> > Bascially the author expressed serious concern with e-fences for the
> > following reasons: they use pain as a training tool. Eventhough it is
> > mild, it needs to be enough to make the dog stop a behavior. Many
dogs,
> > espically ones that are more bullheaded (as a breed or individual) may
> > need more than average.
> > there is a strong possibllity that it will feed whatever is making the
> > dog want to get out of the e-fence. Often its the sight of anothe
dog.
> > the e-fence dog might be dog-aggressive. Seeing another dog feeds
that
> > getting him/her into a heighten state of behavior. Feeling the pain
> > stimuli from the e-fence can make him even more aggressive and/or
> > agitated. The author notes several case histories where a dog's
> > aggressive tendencies, which were ok and handled beforehand, got
totally
> > out of control after the e-fence.
> > Also the dog might be trying to get out due to fear. Another dog might
> > get into the e-fence or some animal that the dog doesn't want to be
> > around. Again the combination of the fear with the effect from the
> > e-fence can be problematic.
> > Also the WDJ is a great magazine. It has no advertising and pulls no
> > punches in evaluating things. Its articles on dog food are great.
> So - tell me - if your dog is not dog agressive ... is not fearful of
> anything ... is actually friendly towards other animals and people, and
> will only be allowed out there under some form of supervision - (maybe
not
> direct, but humans being in the house, within earshot and visibility)
and
> its not going to be used as a place to let the dog roam while the humans
> are not at home... And, *hopefully* if training goes well, fencing (or I
> should say collar) will be disabled once the dog knows the boundries of
> the yard.
> Under those cir***stances ... aren't things different? Anyhow - I
realize
> the biggest downfall to e-fencing is that it allows other dogs to roam
> into your yard without incident, besides the electric thing. But ...
I
> honestly, do not have the option of a regular fence ...
> ANd - like I've stated before - this isn't a definate - but if I'm not
> gonna do it - it has to be an extremely firm argument and reasoning - as
> BF is set on doing this asap... (as in this weekend, he's ready to buy
and
> install). I'm still pu****ng for a 100' trolley with a 25' leader in
the
> back yard. That would be the other option.
Oh, bye the bye, ask matty HOWE his dog Rocky's SEIZURES are
doin... THAT'S CAUSED BY BRIBES AND PUNISHMENT AND CRATING...
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
"CourteHOWES Canine."
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?
When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"CourteHOWES Canines"
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