HOWEDY diddler you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
animal murderin punk thug coward active accute chronic
life long incurable malignant mental case and backyard
puppy miller and professional dog training FRAUD an
SCAM ARTIST,
"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns9ACB644452D0Adiddydiddynet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.knbc.com/family/16712239/detail.html
> Unvaccinated 2 year old dog finds itself in impoundment
> quarantine after getting loose and biting a woman. A
> shelter worker made a mistake and euthanized the dog in
> quarantine.
Naaaaah? SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE??
NO. NOT "SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE??";
THAT WAS PREDICTABLE.
Dog lovers who work at "shelters" LOVE to MURDER
innocent defenseless dumb critters for FUN an PROFIT.
LIKE THIS:
diddler wrote:
"I was in that position once when Becky was hit
by a car when my son left the yard gate open."
Fromdiddy <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:43:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Rural person needs help euthanizing his loving pet.
I think sedating her with benedryl until she was overly sleepy, and
injecting her with Epsom salts IV should cause such chemical
imbalance that it should do the trick.
I'm not sure how humane that would be, It would cause a heart attack.
Well placed gun shots are probably the most immediate, effective and
humane, but then, you said that was not acceptable. Carbon dioxide is
NOT humane.. it's slow and agonizing as the other g***** in car
exhaust burn out the lungs causing agonizing death.
----------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
diddler wrote:
"I released a dog from the pound. She was dumped for biting.
Knowing that most of the time, a dog that bites is the child's
fault, I brought her home to see if she was salvageable in a
childless home.
She at least deserved an evaluation. She seemed fine,
then the following day, with no provocation, she lunged
for my throat. This was an unprovoked attack, and I knew
there was probably something physically wrong with the
dog (perhaps a brain tumor?) and regardless, she was a
HUGE liability risk, and I could never place her.
So I took her to the vet for euthanasia.
The vet kept sticking her for 15 minutes, and it was the
ugliest screaming death I ever witnessed.... until I had
my old 18 year old companion diagnosed with systemic
organ failure. Her old body wore out. I took her to the vet.
Apparently poor circulation caused her not to use the
euthanasia shot properly. The vet kept giving her one
shot after another, and she dies a slow agonizing death,
screaming, and looking at me in betrayal and dismay.
I wanted to grab her from the vet, and take her home,
and shoot her. It would have been over faster," DIDDLER,
lyin animal murderin COWARD and MENTAL CASE.
SEE?
AND LIKE THS:
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.
LIKE THIS:
"After Numerous Training Cl*****, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness. Either she
was going to kill Tasha, my Siberian with the
rock steady temperament, or Tasha was going to
kill her, right in front of us. My DH's first dog,
and still the canine love of his life," racetrack silly,
LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN MENTAL CASE <{) : ~ ( >
Here, kelly/culprit talks to Mustang Sally about her mental
illness/crazy problems. Sally is being rude and condescending
(as usual) and trying to make kelly/culprit feel bad for being
crazy, aka wacked in the head
culprit standing up for herself against rude and condescending
Mustang Sally:
kelly a.k.a. culprit a.k.a. metta (metta is culprit aka kelly's
aka on the CRAZY PERSONS news groups so she's not
DISCREDITED as bein NUTSO on the NON CRAZY
person's news groups) wrote:
"well i wouldn't consider myself mentally healthy. though i'll
refrain from calling myself ill if it makes you feel better. and
no, ADD is not the major problem, i certainly know that, i
just mentioned it because of the impulsivity issues.
i wasn't trying to imply i'm disabled by it.
but i stand by the fact that OCD is an illness, major
depression with psychotic features certainly is, panic
disorder is too. and the other stuff just makes it all the
more fun.
i don't wallow in it. i'm just now learning to accept it,
because ignoring it wasn't working out too well. i need to do
that to make changes to my life so that i can become healthy.
and you say you're not trying to be condescending, but you're
doing it again. what i read was, (my paraphrasing) "people
who think they're mentally ill are wallowing in their
disabilities and letting them consume their life" you come
across as though you would be able to handle any of these
illnesses, and anyone who can't is just copping out.
well we're all different. and i don't accept your idea that i
would have a more productive life if i denied my problems.
i tried it for years, and believe me, it didn't work very well",-kelly.
From: culprit (culp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
) Subject: Re: another
eevil pit bull story Date: 2003-10-08 08:47:43 PST
"Gwen Watson" <g...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:3F842E58.965AAF30@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Yep there it is NAMI. And yes ADHD or ADD or considered
> as a mental illness in which one can apply for many different
> things even in the work force in which they are suppose to
> accomodate you to help improve your condition.
>
> But I don't care to go there so I am one of those untreated
> ADHD people in the world. Whatever I am nearly 50 and
> have gotten along just fine. Or so I feel fulfilled.
yeah, i'm pretty sure i could qualify for all sorts of
disability stuff (the OCD and ADD are just the tip of my
iceberg). but i don't. i know i can function well enough to
do my job, i'll leave the benefits for those that really need
them.
mine is mostly a social impairment. go figure. :-)
-kelly
From: sighthounds etc. (greypigho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
) Subject: Re:
another eevil pit bull story Date: 2003-10-08 09:12:56 PST
On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:33:44 -0500, Gwen Watson
<g...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>culprit wrote:
>> "sighthounds etc." <greypigho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>> message news:f8b8ov46ctu1ds18oliq439g10rod03mto@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > ADD and OCD are mental illnesses?
>
>> oh, BTW...
>> http://www.nami.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Inform_Yourself/Abou
t_M ental_Illness/About_Mental_Illness.htm
>> -kelly
>
>Yep there it is NAMI. And yes ADHD or ADD or considered
> as a mental illness in which one can apply for many different
> things even in the work force in which they are suppose to
> accomodate you to help improve your condition.
>
> But I don't care to go there so I am one of those untreated
> ADHD people in the world. Whatever I am nearly 50 and
> have gotten along just fine. Or so I feel fulfilled.
I guess this is just one of those instances in which I feel that
the US is turning into a nation of victims. And please, don't
anybody jump all over me, because I am not talking about
anyone personally. Everything seems to be a compensatable
(not sure if that's actually a word) disability. If 3/4 of the
people are physically disabled or mentally ill, what's 'normal'?
Terrible parents, painful childhoods, physical illnesses,
psychological problems, etc. are all part of who a person is,
and therefore how s/he sees the world and interacts in it.
But life isn't about who you are and what you've got, it's
what you do with it. For me anyway, the more I think of
myself as partially disabled, the more I am that way.
Sorry, I don't mean to sound like Dr. Phil.
Mustang Sally
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
From: Michael A. Ball <Guard...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:08:20 -0400
Subject: Euthanasia certification cl*****?
Who teaches euthanasia certification cl***** in most states? I live
in Tennessee. Are the cl***** usually open to anyone with the fee?
How much is the fee apt to be?
The shelter wants to keep me cleaning kennels the rest of my life,
but I would like to expand my capabilities. Thank you.
________________________
Whatever it takes.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
HERE'S HOWE COME:
From: "Michael A. Ball" <Guard...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:35:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Ethical Dilemma (Son bitten by dog
in schoolyard) (long)
"AussieResc" <aussier...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote>
> I find this amazing that someone who posts on a
> board for rescue would have this attitude.
> Pat
This NG is specifically for dog rescue. I hate cats
and never give a cat an even break--unless they just
happen to break in the middle.
When I started to work at the animal shelter, cleaning
kennels, I was asked if I liked cats. I replied
enthusiastically, "Yes, if they are cooked right!"
I've never had to work with the cats! :-)
We're all different.
Michael
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
LIKE THIS:
Newsgroups: alt.fifty-plus.friends
From: Michael A. Ball <Guard...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:52:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Superstitious?(sp)
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:43:24 GMT,
**Dalin** <l...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Care to tell us why you feel that way?
> I won't try and argue with you or change
> your mind, but what happened to put you
> off cats above all other creatures?
I've never liked cats, because their movements are too
much like those of rats. Since childhood, I viewed cats
as no more than targets.
On 12-23-95, I killed a cat that my wife had allowed her
daughter to bring into the house, as a pet, several days
earlier. The cat was a stray and having it in the house
was contrary to our agreement for living here.
My wife moved out , permanently, that night.
Ten months later, she moved out of this county--deliberately
withholding her new address. I haven't heard from her since.
Thank you for not trying to change my mind. I won't argue
about this issue. Many people hate cats; perhaps most of
them are more discrete about voicing their opinions. I
try not to say much, but sometimes, I can't resist.
Michael
Whatever it takes.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Subject: "Secret Cutting"
Groups: alt.sup****t.depression
From: Michael Ball
Date: Tues, May 30 2000 12:00 am
Email: "Michael Ball" <Guard...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
The movie, "Secret Cutting" airs tonight at
9:00 p.m. eastern, on USA Network.
-----------
Groups: alt.sup****t.depression
From: Michael Ball
Date: Mon, Dec 27 1999 12:00 am
Howard Hong wrote,
> "If I wanted more of this feeling, then
> it would probably be a pleasure, no?"
I almost replied, "WRONG!," and offered this explanation:
I sometimes makes little cuts under my watchband, with a
razor blade.
Although there is some physical pain, I feel triumphant
because Michael Ball is getting a little dose of what he
deserves. So, it is a pleasure.
How odd; even sensations that most people would rate as
bad, sick, horrible, etc., can be and are pleasures--if
we want them. I never thought of those insignificant
little cuts specifically as pleasures, but they are!
I love it when little streams of blood trickle down my arm.
And I like the reminder pain over the following couple of
days, during the healing process.
------------
Groups: alt.sup****t.depression
Subject: i'd give advice
From: Michael A. Ball
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 7:46 pm
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:37:36 +0100, "humble.life"
> <nos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> but i'm not out of the depths so i wouldn't be a
> science that proves itself
Go ahead; give your opinions. Most of the advice given
here is from folks who are still struggling. Don't take
everything as the gospel, but there are some very insightful
people in this group.
----------
Groups: alt.sup****t.depression
From: Michael Ball
Date: Mon, Mar 13 2000 12:00 am
"Rage"? "Again"? I wonder if a lot of folks get angry
at their therapists, and why? My therapist used to try
to convince me that Michael Ball is not so bad. That
annoyed me so much! I'm not sure what bothered me most:
the fact that I couldn't seem to convince him of the truth;
or the thought that he was trying to trick me; or something
entirely different.
He was a nice guy, but I just couldn't get him to see the
real me. Ha! If I had, he might have stopped wasting his
effort! We eventually began working on his problems. :-)
Misplaced aggression? Is that why we tend to attack
some of those who want to "help" us?
----------
Groups: alt.sup****t.depression
From: Michael A. Ball
Date: Sun, Mar 14 2004 6:25 pm
On 14 Mar 2004 13:48:35 -0800, crysal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(crysalis) wrote:
> [...]Tomorrow I see the Dr. I hope they tell
> me something good. [...]
I hope he tells you "something good" too! If you were
asked to list the top three good things you'd like for
him to tell you, what would they be?
I put myself in your shoes for a minute and discovered
that question is not as simple as it sounds. We don't
always know how to heal the pain or even what is causing
the pain: we only know that we hurt.
Maybe your doctor will tell you that it is not your skin
that you want to escape, but everything inside of that
skin" your..."self"!
I'm reminded of a time in my life when I applied to enter
a *** reassignment program. Fortunately, during the initial
evaluation process, it was determined that I wasn't
trans***ual, and didn't want to be a woman: I just didn't
want to be Michael Ball.
That was a day of considerable relief, but also one of great
sadness and hopelessness. There would be no Andrea Beck,
and for the time being, no escape from MB.
Best wishes tomorrow. I hope you'll tell us how things went
Michael
A day without recoil is like a day without sun****ne!
-------------
SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
"My last paying "job" was as Exec. Dir.
of the local Humane Society, I used to
work the Kill Room as a volunteer in one
shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.
And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.
Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."
Lynn K.
"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.
Should I have refused to groom them?
Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who had
to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter," Lynn K.
"I had a somewhat similar situation 2 weeks ago. I got a call
from the city pound informing me that a dog that had once been
in our Humane Society program had been picked up and was
scheduled to die the next day. After much research, I found out
that the dog was never really one of ours, but that a foster home
we had briefly used, then fired, took a litter, let most die needlessly,
and this was the sole survivor. I got the dog extended 24 hours,
sent 6 interested parties to the pound to see the dog, and ran to the
pound to let them know the owner's contact info.
It turns out that they knew well who the owner was -
over 20 complaints against her and the dog had been
picked up twice that month.
She went to Mexico for a long vacation and left the dog
in the back yard, trusting neighbors to throw food over
the fence. To make it worse, I evaluated the dog as
unsafe, and then the dog went for a kennel worker and
was declared unsafe by the pound, and only available to us.
The pound would not let the owner reclaim the dog, even
if she were available to do so. So that left me with -
- a dog with unclear legal owner****p
- an unsuitable owner who wanted the dog, but couldn't have the dog
- an unadoptable dog for the general public
- a dog that couldn't go to anyone who would be able to help him
- and no foster homes or resources to take him into our rescue program.
The dog died. And I had to tell that irresponsible
owner on her return why her dog had to die."
Lynn K.
[it's always a tragedy and the dog
just up and dies. But Lynn KILL
won't mention her part in the
killing. She condemned that innocent
dog to death simply because it got lost.
But Lynn Kill will ignore that.
Lynn K always blames
someone else when she is involved in
killing a perfectly good dog.
The organizations Lynn K is
a part of GET PAID TO KILL DOGS,
and somebody has to make up stupid
reasons to kill perfectly good dogs
Because the STATE is paying those
"shelters" to ELIMINATE dogs & puppies
Lynn K. plays a role in that capacity,
despite her lies and denials. The STATE
needs those dogs dead, and Lynn Kill
helps them achieve their objective, like
she did in her part in the confiscation
and murder of the lost dog in the case
above. The dog HAD TO DIE, because Lynn
KILL said so.]
--editor's note
-----------------------------
LIKE THIS:
From: Lynn Kosmakos
Date: Fri, Nov 3 2000 1:41 am
Email: Lynn Kosmakos <lkosma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Lori wrote:
> There is no TEMPERMENT too good to ruin OR too bad to save.
> The dog's heart & soul become reflex reaction to it's treatment.
Lori, I sincerely wish that were true. (the too bad to save part)
There is innate temperament that is not shaped by treatment.
The dogs our rescue gets from horrible abuse cases quickly proves that.
OTOH, I also see dogs that have never had a single triggering
incident who cannot be saved. I've got such a client right now,
a 9 month old GSD who we've been fighting to save for months.
He's been seen by Jean Donaldson and Leslie Nelson and a slew
of others, and has received nothing by loving care all his life.
His littermates are normal, his breeding excellent, and there
was no triggering event or medical cause. As much as it breaks
my heart, the dog cannot be saved.
Lynn K.
There's several threads going on now in
..behavior about dominance problems.
In one of them (HELP! Life or Death...) I gave the 21 management
rules I use for a dominant dog. For real hardcases, the other option
is to escalate to a full NILIF regime. Frankly, any dog that doesn't
respond to either of those options is a rogue, unsafe, and should be
destroyed.
Lynn K.
[Lynn K. does not pull any punches
when it comes to killing dogs or
recommending that they be killed for
not getting with the program, or for
jumping up and playing with volunteers
at one of her "shelters"
ARRRRRRRGH!!!] --editor's note
------------------------------------
Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
<news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
quotes are true.
In the posts below you take responsibility for
making those calls.
In your post above, you state you do not
make those calls.
Which one is it?
WORDS OF WISDOM
from our own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft
I TOO HAVE A BIPOLAR MOOD DISORDER
(MANIC DEPRESSION) I ALSO CARE ABOUT
DOGS COMMUNITY IS AN EVOLUTIONARY THING
From: Chris Kosmakos (chris...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: complaints and goodbye
Lisa K. Baird (lba...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
) wrote:
:
: Sheesh, if everyone would start taking responsibility
: for their own actions, wouldn't life be grand?
"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-
depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium
and 50 mg of Zoloft every day. I, also, care
about dogs and use this forum to learn more,
while happily sharing pertinent information
I have learned. But if I were ever to post
such sh*t, I would hope that every other
reader of this group would be rightfully
outraged."
"Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
the right to participate in by observing the
easily understood rules and contributing to in
constructive ways."
Lynn K.
I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM
================
> Now the family cries about their loss, and how they are
> going to explain this to their bereaved 2 year old son.
> They comment this dog was the "sweetest thing"
Well diddler, they should post here for some SYMPATHY.
LIKE THIS:
Lynn K, kills a great dog:
"Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC ***** in rescue
who had gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in
their home.
The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up
who wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled
before she was 2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single
women into competitive herding who had no children or plans to
have any.
Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft
and would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within
that space (other than whoever was holding her leash). She also
would not tolerate any entrance to her airspace. The deciding
factor was that eye contact was also a trigger and the severity of
the bite increased with eye's moved lowerer to her level. IOW,
the shorter the person, the harder the bite, and kids were shortest
of all."
[This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a
a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS
DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with
poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or
sucker volunteers do the dirty work of
poisoning them and dumping their bodies,
after she condemns them to death with
her "evaluation"] --editor's note
We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person
and situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world
where there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put
a known risk like her into that world.
People's lives and situation change and any adopter might have
future contact with children that they don't have at present.
She was put down.
[because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about
LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares
about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal
lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!] --editor's note
Lynn K.
-----------------------------------
MOOOOORE DOG KILLING FROM LYNN KILLMAKOS
LYNN K. "I'LL PUT A BITER DOWN AS FAST AS ANYONE"
On her role in killing dogs in the SF Bay area, a role
she claims she doesn't play anymoore.
"I'll put down a biter as fast as anyone - provided I have seen
the behavior and know that the dog is in fact a biter." --Lynn K.
"I've been in dogs for over 40 years and worked with many rescue
organizations and with shelters in 3 states. I've been in the position
of evaluating court-seized dogs in bite cases."
--Lynn K.
No. I evaluated Hera. It wasn't all poor upbringing and management.
Lynn K.
Shows you what you know. It was SF, not LA, and I evaluated Hera.
She was fear aggressive. Period. No training of any kind on that
dog, much to the DA's chagrin because he wanted to be able to charge
them with Murder 2.
Lynn K.
[Hera was one of the dogs involved in the San Francisco Diane
Whipple dog fatality. Lynn K. frequently brags that she was
involved in evaluating that dog. That dog, of course, was killed]
--editor's note
----------------------------------
> Hell LADY!! Get a clue. If you cared about your dog,
> you would have kept it safely contained.
Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS?:
Subject: Re: teaching dogs "jobs"
(They were taught NEVER EVER to step on a road.... No foot
EVER touches the road!) Danny lost a tracking test once,
because the test crossed a seldom used gravel road. When he
reached the road, a car just happened to go by. He refused to
cross the road, and when I took him by the collar and ****ged
him, I was Disqualified for aiding the dog.
Danny simply will NOT cross a road..
when he was intact, not EVEN for a ***** in season.
Now you have a dog that...
WHOOOOPS!
Whoops, Danny And Taya run away from
unsecured yard and imbecile owner BUT
CAREFULLY AVOID CROSSIN A ROAD.
Will they survive life out in the wilderness
out amongst diddler's coyote traps?
Will they get mistaken for coyotes and sold
to the highest bidder at the fur auction?
Or will they live again to do a help dummy diddy
do a demonstration on safe and responsible pet
owner****p in the kitchen with the vet's office kitten?
Stay tuned, fans...
From: Kathy Levee (kle...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
> Subject: Off Topic --MISSING DOGS
> Date: 1999/04/14
>
> I realize this has absolutely nothing to do with
> Disney. Parks, but since those of us on this
> newsgroup are from all over the country, I thought
> you would understand this one time intrusion. We
> are desperate to find these dogs....Please, if you
> have any information, contact the e-mail address
> at the bottom of the note. Thank you for your
> understanding.........
>
> Karyl Parks' (aka diddler) dog Danny - Ch. Alpha's
> Decorum (I think that is his correct registered name) is
> missing . For those that have never met Danny -
> he is very special. Both trained for Search and
> Rescue
You'd think the dog could find his
own way back to his HOWES???
> as well as service dog trained, CDX, etc.
But IT can't find ITS way back to his own HOWES?
> He does all the things that service dogs do
Like run HOWET on his people and not return?
> from opening doors, turning on lights, getting
> clothes and shoes.
You FORGOT MURDERIN the vet's office kitty kat
and escaping and destructively chewing a rug and
gettin locked in a box in an HOWEtbuilding to muffle
his CRYING till he was ****IN BLOOD and went in
for intestinal obstruction.
> He is a marvel.
Naaah. You want a MARVEL? Marvel at that
STUPID KAT that PAINICKED when diddler
snared IT in her leg hold STRANGLE / CHOKE
choke trap. She'd have BLUDGEONED IT had
IT not been wearin a collar. Perhaps she was
lookin for a REWARD, bein a SUBSISTANCE
hunter and all.
> He is nine years old but does not
> show his age - he is about 60 pounds 22 1/2
> inches, dark face. By tomorrow I will have a
> picture available.
>
> Monday night he was put out to do his business
> along with Taya another elkie. At 10:00pm - both
> he and Taya were gone from Karyl's yard.
>
> She heard nothing and the gate was open but
> opened inward. Danny was neutered in the last
> year so is not of any use to anyone for breeding.
>
> Karyl has handed out over 1,200 flyers today -
> gone to the schools where Danny was well
> known - he did demonstrations, talked to
> neighbors and combed the neighborhood.
>
> She lives in farm
> country outside Greenville, Ohio.
>
> Danny is a tall elkie - very handsome -
> microchipped. I am looking for a picture I took
> when he visited here two years ago. He was not
> wearing a collar when lost. Karyl will talk to
> postal workers, garbage truck drivers, county
> road crews, meter readers, tomorrow - has
> already contacted law enforcement and shelters.
>
> Please for anyone in the area or who can cross
> post this to other lists do it. This dog is Karyl's
> life and she can not imagine life without him.
>
> Taya - also an elkhound her parents dog - spayed
> female five years old. Small size - I think only
> about 18 inches. They could be together or
> separate - Taya did have a collar on. Do not
> know if she is microchipped.
>
> Karyl's email is kpa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Thank you for your understanding......we're
> posting this to every list we are involved with
> and pray for their safe return.
Ummm, better RETHINK THAT. Your PAL diddler
is a Satanist or somethin weird like that.
> Kathy
>
> ==============================-===
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAA~!~!~!
You call tying the dog to a wall training, diddler, like
HOWE you trained your fence to train your dog?
diddy wrote:
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> We have a beagle. Before we got our last one, we knew
> what to expect and spent a year re-enforcing the fence.
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> What we did.
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> Double fencing, hardware cloth lined on the inside. Wood ties
> under gates. A chicken wire apron extending out into the yard
> 12 inches. (hog ringed to the upright fencing). We chose chicken
> wire because it was flexible and ground conforming. grass grows
> right over it, making it invisible and easy to mow over. It's tacked
> down by tent stakes every 10 inches. (this is our most considerable
> investment)
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> The problems with it is that it eventually disintegrates, rusts, pulls
> apart and need repair a lot. We placed tile blocks over the top, because
> the tent stakes stick up, and sometimes get hit by the lawnmower.
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> Overall, it's a pretty decent system and works MOST of the time.
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> The beagle is persistent, and tends to work the inner fencing, that's
> flimsy down, or tear it, making exit holes. We recently cut down a
> couple yard trees that broke down sections of the fence and they need
> re-enforcement.
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> When the weather breaks, a whole new fence is in order,
> but the system works MOST of the time.
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> We did install an underground perimeter E-fence at the fence line,
> and found a single strand 12 inch high electric cattle fence around
> the perimeter was just as effective, cheaper, less bothersome (no
> need to wear heavy e-collars.. especially that mess up coats), but
> both needed occassional maintenence.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> What we did.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> I admit our system fails occassionally, especially when snow drifts are
> over the top of the fences and erase any identifiable fenceline.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> We installed (BEFORE getting the beagle) a 100 foot
> trolly line that crosses the yard.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> This is a safe, effective restraint system that has always
> worked when immediate repairs or extra security is desired.
> If I go away and leave the beagle outside. He goes to the trolly line,
> whether the containment system is currently working or not.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> It's great for emergency situations, and the $17 last resort system gets
> used for the beagle far more than I ever expected. It still allows
> reasonable exercise range of area and mobility. The elkhounds and the
> beagle still play avidly, and it's the cheapest piece of mind security
> ever.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> A trolly tether system is the best for tem****ary containment while
> discovering where the leak is. In the snow, it's easy to discover the
> leak. In the summer, it's more difficult.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> I do not like, or use our current underground collar system
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
BWEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!
BWEEEEAAAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
BWEEEEAAAHAAAHAAAAHAAAA~!~!~!
> You would have vaccinated it,
IM****TANT UPDATE:
Vaccines - What Your Doctors WON'T TELL YOU -
They're Killing Your Pets And Children With
"RESPONSIBLE," ETHICKAL"
Medical MALPRACTICE;
And LAUGHIN All The Way To The BANK~! <{}: ~ ( >
Most Astoni****ng Health Disaster of the 20th Century
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPI7zdGdqo4
"Why scientists have written and produced scientific papers
that link vaccines in with brain damage, epilepsy, behavioural
problems, colitis, arthritis, thyroid disease, heart failure, kidney
failure, cancer and more."
From: Dr Andrew Jones
Author: Veterinary Secrets Revealed
Website: http://www.veterinarysecretsrevealed.com
A new petition on Pet Vaccines.
This is the single most im****tant health issue
facing our dogs and cats today.
First..Here is the link below is to sign petition for safer
vaccinations for our companion animals.
http://www.petitiononline.com/petvax23/petition.html
I wanted to give you some additional information on Dog and Cat
Vaccines, and I found some fabulous stuff at Catherine O'Driscolls
site, Canine Health Concern.
She is eminently qualified to write on this topic,
and she has authored 2 books on this topic.
'Shock to the System', and 'What Vets DON'T tell You About Vaccines'.
She is in Scotland, hence her reference to 'America'
Here are her answers to some very common Vaccine Questions...
Q: Should I vaccinate my dog or cat every year?
A: No. There is absolutely no scientific justification for annual
vaccination. According to Dr Ronald D Schultz, head of pathobiology
at Wisconsin University, and the world's most eminent expert on
canine and feline immunology, "once immunity to a virus exists,
it persists for years or for the life of an animal". This fact,
sup****ted by further duration of immunity studies, has been
accepted by veterinary bodies in America and Australia. The
consensus is that, if you wish to vaccinate your dog, then he
should have puppy shots followed by one shot after six months
of age, and then no further shots are required.
Q: I thought vaccines were safe - what are the adverse effects?
A: Inflammatory ('itis') diseases in dogs and cats are becoming
increasingly common, due largely to vaccines. Vaccines contain
modified live viruses; formaldehyde (a cancer-causing preservative
used to embalm corpses); mercury and aluminium salts (both toxins);
serum (blood products); and other worrying substances. The medical
and veterinary professions readily acknowledge that both humans and
animals can have allergic reactions to serum. But add all the other
components, and it's no wonder some individuals have allergic
reactions.
In addition, vaccines are often cultivated on dog and cat brains and
kidneys, on hamsters, on monkeys, and on chick embryos. If any of
these animals' tissues are inadequately removed from the vaccine,
the patient can have a hypersensitivity reaction to them. The words
'hypersensitivity', 'allergy', and 'inflammation' are interchangeable.
Sometimes the hypersensitivity reaction is so severe that the patient
must be immediately injected with adrenaline or they will die.
Because vaccines are generally injected straight into the bloodstream,
components can be carried around the body. Depending upon the
animal's genetic predisposition, the allergic reaction could manifest as
inflammation of the brain, inflammation of the digestive system,
inflammation of the bones and joints - in fact, any of the many
inflammatory conditions.
This is why scientists have written and produced scientific papers
that link vaccines in with brain damage, epilepsy, behavioural problems,
colitis, arthritis, thyroid disease, heart failure, kidney failure, cancer
and more.
The practice of cultivating vaccines on animal tissue has also been
called into question. The Salk Polio vaccine illustrated the dangers
of this when it was discovered that it was contaminated with a range
of monkey retroviruses.
SV40, a monkey retrovirus found in the Salk vaccine, has been
found at the cancer sites of people who received this vaccine.
Worryingly, it has also been found at the cancer sites of their
children. SV40 switches off the part of the DNA that protects
from cancer.
SIV, another monkey retrovirus, was also a contaminant in the Salk
vaccine.SIV and HIV are closely related viruses, and independent
scientists have traced the emergence of AIDS to mass polio vaccination
in the Belgian Congo and amongst male homo***uals in New York
who were given the vaccine in an attempt to protect against genital
herpes (however strange this might sound!).
Similarly, an avian (bird) retrovirus has been found in leukaemia
patients, and it is thought that the retrovirus came from the MMR
vaccine.
Distemper and measles are virtually identical viruses, and both
vaccines are cultivated on chick embryos.
Where did parvovirus come from in the 1970s, killing thousands of
dogs? Scientists have been quoted as saying that it was a cross-species
disease, created by a vaccine manufacturer who cultivated the distemper
vaccine on cats infected with feline enteritis. The first vaccine for this
new disease was a stopgap: the feline enteritis vaccine.
The disease occurred simultaneously around the world. Naturally
occurring diseases spread slowly, but vaccine manufacturers send
their products out in batches around the world, easily creating a
worldwide epidemic.
By looking at scientific data from both human and animal-based
research, we are able to say that vaccines are proven to cause
inflammatory and immune-mediated diseases.
The UK vet Christopher Day observed that, where the start date
of an illness in his patients is known, around 80% of patients
started to be ill within three months of vaccination. CHC put this
theory to the test by inviting pet owners to complete a short
questionnaire.
There were over 4,000 dogs in the survey. We asked, if your dog is
ill, when did he become ill in relation to the vaccine? We have been
astounded by the results so far.
91% of Ataxia cases occurred within three months of a vaccine event
81% of dogs who had tumours at their vaccine sites, first developed
the tumours within three months of being vaccinated
78.6% of dogs with encephalitis (inflammation of the brain) first
developed the condition within three months of being vaccinated
73.1% of epileptic dogs first became epileptic within three months of
being vaccinated
65.9% of dogs with colitis developed the condition within that first
three months
64.9% of dogs with behavioural problems started to be a problem
within three months of vaccination
61.5% of dogs developed liver failure within three months of being
vaccinated
The above figures were chosen at random from our findings to
illustrate the principle to you: vaccines may be protecting our
dogs against viral disease, but they are doing this at a very high price.
If vaccination had no bearing on subsequent illness, only 25%
of dogs should become ill in each three-month period.
Q: Is CHC saying that we should leave our dogs unprotected
against horrible diseases like distemper and parvovirus?
A: No, certainly not. In fact, we would say you should not leave
your dogs unprotected. But you can minimise the risks.
Firstly, if you choose to continue vaccinating, you could have puppy
shots and possibly the first year's booster, and leave it at that. This is
the advice being given now by veterinary colleges in America.
Secondly, you could use the homoeopathic alternative instead. This
has been used by many breeders and show people for years. Re****ts
indicate that homoeopathically protected dogs are far healthier than
vaccinated dogs.
There are several scientific studies showing that the homoeopathic
alternative works.
Vaccine manufacturers are currently trying to tell us that dogs need
annual boosters against leptospirosis, which is a bacterin rather than a
virus.
However, many eminent scientists say that this vaccine should actually
be withdrawn as it is not very protective, and it is the vaccine most
associated with adverse reactions.
The kennel cough virus mutates (like the flu) so you can't guarantee
permanent immunity from the vaccine. However, scientific research has
shown that the homoeopathic nosode is more protective against kennel
cough than the vaccine - and it's safer.
Q: My vet tells me that you are scaremongering and that I should
continue to vaccinate every year. I don't know what to do.
A: Vets, however well-meaning, are educated in colleges that rely upon
vaccine and pharmaceutical companies for funding in the form of
sponsor****p, research grants, scholar****ps and bursaries. Colleges are
reliant upon big business for funding, and few people are willing to
bite the hand that feeds them.
Vets' education with regard to vaccines tends to stop beyond "do it".
Our knowledge about immunity has improved greatly over the past
five years. Some of the information coming to light about vaccines
will present an ethical and economic challenge to veterinarians. But
your pet deserves to come first, over and above any such challenges.
If your vet says annual vaccination is necessary, ask him if he has
heard of the research coming out of America, and the advice that
annual vaccination is unnecessary. If he has heard of this research,
he cannot dismiss your questions.
If he has not heard of it, then he lacks the knowledge to advise.
Finally, your dog looks at you with love and trust in his eyes, not at
a stranger in a white coat. It is vitally im****tant that you do as much
as you can to understand the facts. Please don't do as I did and allow
your dogs to die before you discover the truth.
I wish you and your animal friends many happy and healthy years together.
//////////////////////////////////////////////
P.S. The more I learn about Vaccines, the
less I want to give them.
You can read more about them in my Special
Re****t called 'The Veterinary Code'
It's at http://www.theveterinarycode.com
It's Your Pet. Heal Them At Home!
Best Wishes,
Dr Andrew Jones, DVM
----------------
> and it never would have ever been impounded.
> It ain't a sweetheart if it bites somebody.
Dogs ONLY bite when they're ABUSED and AFRAID.
> How much 'xplainin' does it take to a two year old kid?
You mean, LIKE THIS, diddler?:
From: diddy <none>
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 07:59:17 -0600
Subject: Re: The kind of mess uneducated breeders are making
No idea what he is. He's supposed to be part chow, but he
looks more aussie/duck tolling retriever to me than anything
with a pomeranian tail.
His facial animations are hilarious, you can see the wheels
turning, and he's very engaging. The down side is, a kid from
next door came over and pulled his ears, and he bit the kid on
the face resulting in a $300,000 plastic surgery.
I have a zero tolerance for dog bites, and would normally
put a dog that did that down, but this dog was the victim
here.
----------------
> Perhaps it should go like this. "Sorry son, I messed up as an
> irresponsible dog owner, and lost your dog. Learn from my
> dead brain acts, and don't go blaming others for being almost
> as dumb as I am."
Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS:
From: diddy
(di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: What would you do in this situation?
Date: 2002-05-31 14:49:22 PST
Actually, I borrowed the vets office kitten once for a
couple days for school education on pet care and safe
handling as well as responsible pet owner****p.
I kept the kitten over night in a crate within a crate
and yet my dog (yes, Angelic Danny, as well as Taya
and Toby tore that kittne to threads from between the
crate bars. (apparently he stuck his paws through the
crate to bat at the dogs. I was out doing yard work
and rushed in to find the little kittens pieces and
parts being torn through by ALL the dogs.
I called my girl friend to come get my dogs. I screamed
displeasure, and stalked out with the kitten. Danny, et
al spent 3 days in a kennel until I finally felt like I
could interact with them without doing bodily harm. All
three dogs were never touched, but knew they had done
something so unspeakable that I wouldn't associate with
them and they got banished.
To this day, Taya (mom and Dad's dog) and Danny will
not look at a cat. When confronted with one, Danny wees
himself and cowers hiding behind me for help.
I'm not saying this would work this way with all dogs,
But mom and dad now have a house cat, and she has
never been harmed by any of the dogs. Danny is there
all the time, unsupervised, and has no interest in harming
the cat.
----------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> Where is personal accountability?
Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS?:
Re: Question About Euthanasia - Not For Faint of Heart
"diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
in message news:Xns995C9D28D6616danny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
if you are willing to be trolled. Using firearms
is not the most palatable way to put a dog down, but
sometimes it IS the most humane. For instance. I live
10 miles from a vet not an unreasonable distance for
routine care.
But one day, I was outside the fence in the company of
my dog, when the phone rang inside the house. I ran in
the door, and it was my dad. I said, "Dad, the dog did
not come in with me, I'll call you back"
Not aware that my dog had crossed the road to visit the
children getting off the school bus across the street,
I assumed her to be in her usual haunts, out in the back
pasture or barns.
I called her to come, and called her directly into the
path of a speeding car. She got hit directly on the
license plate and was thrown about 30 yards.
I knew exaclty what had happened, when I heard the
sickening thud, and her screams.
I rushed to her, and saw the blood streaming from her
ears and nose. her mangled little body irreparable. I
knew she was going to die. She quit screaming when I
went to her side. I went to move her, and she started
screaming even louder.
I knew moving her was only causing her greater agony.
She was in enough, and the outcome was not going to be
any better.
I decided to not put her through any more, and I left
her screaming, went in the house, got the handgun, and
returned. I gave her a tearful hug and apology. And I
did the hardest thing I've ever done in my whole life.
I took her pain, and made it my own. She immediately
slumped and went limp, and was silent. Quick. Taking
her to the vet was the poorer alternative.
in later years, I released a dog from the pound. She
was dumped for biting. Knowing that most of the time,
a dog that bites is the child's fault, I brought her
home to see if she was salvageable in a childless home.
She at least deserved an evaluation. She seemed fine,
then the following day, with no provocation, she lunged
for my throat. This was an unprovoked attack, and I knew
there was probably something physically wrong with the
dog (perhaps a brain tumor?) and regardless, she was a
HUGE liability risk, and I could never place her.
So I took her to the vet for euthanasia.
The vet kept sticking her for 15 minutes, and it was the
ugliest screaming death I ever witnessed.... until I had
my old 18 year old companion diagnosed with systemic organ
failure. Her old body wore out. I took her to the vet.
Apparently poor circulation caused her not to use the
euthanasia shot properly. The vet kept giving her one
shot after another, and she dies a slow agonizing death,
screaming, and looking at me in betrayal and dismay.
I wanted to grab her from the vet, and take her home,
and shoot her. It would have been over faster.
Then I took Danny in for Euthanasia. The best dog I've
ever had. The vet stuck him, and he went down HARD,
screaming.
He screamed for about 10 minutes.
If a vet was going to get a dog right, this one he HAD
to, and he didn't. I was furious. I'm forever sorry I
took him to the vet, but the violence of shooting him
was just unnacceptable to me.
These are THREE different vets.
I've witnessed hundreds of vet euthanasias that went
uneventfully. But those THREE failures stick forever
in my mind. Two on dogs very near and dear to me.
If I could accept the violence and had the fortitude
to do the job myself, those dogs would have never
needlessly suffered. A bullet properly placed is quick
and final.
Perhaps the OP has had not so good experiences, and
just wants to be sure the job is done right. I don't
necessarily consider them a troll (however I strongly
suspect that they are, and if they have to ask what
caliber to use, they probably are not a good enough
shot that they should attempt this)
------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Of curse, there's always more creative ways of
MURDERIN innocent defenseless dumb critters.
LIKE THIS:
WHEN YOU CAN'T FIND ANY CATS TO SHOOT,
SHOOT HUNGRY DOGS INSTEAD FOR GETTING
IN THE GARBAGE
From: diddy (di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Dog Shot, Neighbor Charged, Anchorage AK
Date: 2002-11-08 07:00:27 PST
I guess if I felt Danny was threatened, it's the way I would react.
There would be none left standing to deal with the threat just in
case.
If someone hurt him, I would not let borders or
continents stop me from pursuing justice.
Then again, I always feed Danny INSIDE. If someone is
feeding his dog outside, his own dog might not mean THAT
much to him.
If he was feeding his dog outside though, many dogs are food
aggressive, and that could most certainly spark a dog aggression
thing. (and if the dog was penned quietly outside, what was it
doing in his yard?)
I shot a neighbors dog one night for chasing my horses and
called him to help me find it. I would do the same for threatening
my dog.
My husband shot a dog that had been tearing up trash up and
down our road for years making an unbelievable mess. When
we finally killed the culprit, the whole road cheered. Animal
control had never been able in years to catch this critter. (we
think it was feral it was certainly unkempt enough to have
been....and it had been shot at by MANY of the neighbors,
but it never frightened it off enough to keep it from NOT
tearing up the road the next trash day)
---------------------------------
OR you could just BLUDGEON a innocent defenseless kitty kat:
From: diddy (di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: cats : Crating/Caging: What constitutes abuse?
Date: 2002-08-23 09:18:08 PST
Lyn wrote:
> > You know I'm a cat abuser because I let my cat out.
> > Alison
>
> Well, it totally depends upon where you live, as to whether
> or not doing so is in the best interest of your animal.
> Abuser isn't a term I would use, and I am a "cat group"
> regular.
Here it would be abuse. If you like your cat you keep it
home. I run a state authorized and monitored nuisance
animal trapline.
This morning there was a cat in a snare. Ordinarily,
an animal caught in a snare can be released unharmed.
One of the animals I am targeting is coyotes (and the
complaint was that coyotes were killing area cats)
Duh.. If your cats are becoming lunch for wild animals,
to me .. It makes sense to keep your cats in where they
can't become lunch.. whatever.
Regarding this cat in the snare. It went nuts. It leaped,
and tangled itself, and most certainly strangulated it's
intestines. It had the snare pulled tight down to the
diameter of a dime (just large enough to encircle the
spine) around the waist area.
This cats snarled, and attacked. Trying to extricate this cat
was exceedingly difficult, not to mention dangerous. Because
I feared damage to the intestines and death of the gut, I
imagined this cat was not likely to survive.
It would have been much simpler to dispatch the unfortunate
cat and take out the dead body. Instead, this cat wore a
collar. it deserved a chance, and the owner deserved closure.
(no id on the collar) .
It escaped, just as I released it and it couldn't be taken to
the vet for examination. I will probably never know if this
particular cat survives the experience or not.
People in the area were aware that trapping was being done and
apparently still let their cats run free, b oth endangered by
the traps and by the coyotes being targeted that are causing a
problem with their cat population.
Had that cat not been wearing a collar, I would not have tried
to release this hostile cat. Releasing it may not have been a
kindness, but then... cats weren't supposed to be attracted to
this type of trap, in this position, and then they weren't
supposed to go ape, to get themselves in this situation.
If you like your pet, you keep them home.
----------------------
> I hope she's a better mother than a dog owner!
Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS?:
From: diddy <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:20:04 -0400
Subject: Re: ahhh.. a PP book I like!
I ruined Danny's stomach by feeding him a lifetime of RAW diet.
Danny was fed chicken backs and necks, along with Beef knuckles.
He had bacterial growths in his gut from the raw meats along with
scouring of the stomach lining (especially in the area of the pyloric
valve) creating massive scar tissue that eventually led to inflammation
and total obstruction. Nothing was visible externally except for tearing
of the eyes to indicate that something internally was VERY wrong.
I was pleased with the BARF diet and felt that my efforts were giving
the very BEST for my dog. I was pleased with the coat and energy levels.
I felt by taking the extra effort, I was going the extra mile to keep my
dog healthy and insure him a long life. Studying nutrition and learning
all I could about feeding naturally made me feel good about myself.
Believing I was doing the very BEST for my dog.
Anyone who alluded otherwise drew rapid fire arguements. I
proselytized for BARF, believing every word that I advocated.
Feeling the more I could convert, the better lives dogs would have.
Dogs deserved no less. I was on a mission.
The day he vomited, was the day he went to the hospital. EXPENSIVE
diagnostics plus repair took 3 months from the first onset of visible
trouble. The trail led to $28,000 in expenses (I mortgaged the farm to
pay this) and much agony for myself and the dog. He would not have
survived without 3 months of hourly (including nightime)
administrations.
A year and a half later, I once again gave him a 5 inch diameter beef
knuckle (with attached 6 inch shank) and he ate it, once again, it
scoured his stomach and pyloric valve, and 6 months later, he is still
exhibiting problems.
Those advocating RAW, BARF and to give your dog a bone are
advising people to take risks with their dogs life. I am now feeding
Z/D Ultra for my Danny. Science Diet Adult for Reka. I learned high
protien is NOT good for dogs, and Low phosphorus is.
Since I feed so little food to keep these guys from getting fat, I ran
into problems with high digestable foods and needed one with filler
and fiber. Low fiber and high digestability means low motility and
stomach problems, especially for Danny.
So all the negative things people say about Science diet are what
I think is in my dogs best interests, and the reason they are on it.
Humbly and happily feeding traditional diets.
------------------
LIKE THIS:
Re: Just scheduled blood test--Zipper too
"diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Xns99056C3BAB8F4danny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
in thread
news:IeqdnZChtN4RX5jbnZ2dnUVZ_uqvnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"MauiJNP"
> <jmh1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled the following words:
> in thread news:IeqdnZChtN4RX5jbnZ2dnUVZ_uqvnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"MauiJNP"
> jmh1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled the following words:
> Seems to me, that should be a standard question for
> any pet having any problems at this time.
I took Tuck in last Wednesday to the vets because two weeks
before, he had chewed some old treated lumber. Knowing that
treated lumber used to be treated with Arsenic, and he ate a
substantial amount, I took him into the emergency clinic and
they treated him for arsenic poisoning.
A week later, he still had a raw stomach, esophagus and stomach
(revealed by endoscopy). He was treated with buffers, and antibiotics
to prevent infection of the inflamed tissues. Wednesday, still not
right, but improving, I took him back in for a recheck.
The first thing the vet did, was ask what foods I was feeding.
Which I understood why, but felt considering his current history,
was rather a unnecessary question. I felt we pretty much knew
what was going on with him.
Since he was greatly improved, we decided not to do another
endoscopy and just watch him. He's 100% back to normal.
Hope Cali is too.
------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
AND LIKE THIS:
diddy wrote:
I think 4 hours or so, I had put him in a supposedly
"Secure" place, while I had to leave. When I got
home, he had trashed my house. From then on,
when I left, he got put in the horse stall.
He trashed my horse stall.
He then got a new horse stall, wore a E-collar,
I electrified the perimeter of the stall and we
were finally able to contain him while we worked
on his escape problems.
Once he learned that I was more determined to
defeat him, he finally subdued. But escaping, to
him was a game.
Both of us had a throughly miserable time during
the stand off. The dog is actually now a very good
citizen. He just had to meet someone more determined,
and stubborn and willing to go the distance to do what
it took, before he would stop.
Like I said, I thought he and I were going
to grow old together.
I am not going to go into exactly where we
went before we got that accomplished.
Let's just say it was "ugly"
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diddy (di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Oh My God
Two nights ago, Reka started acting frantic about 11pm.
I let her out. It's coyote breeding season, and she is fascinated
by them. I assumed she wanted to go out and listen to them
howling. I brought her in, and she spent the night franticly and
desperately demanding to go out.
After about 4am, I finally put her in the barn, locked
securely in a horse stall for the night.
She came in by morning, and had a normal active, playful
day. Last night, at 11pm, She franticly DEMANDED to go
out. I let her out, and brought her in. At midnight, she
DEMANDED to be let out. I let her out, but I went out
to the barn and got a crate, and decided she could
spend the rest of the night in the crate. We were NOT
going to do a repeat of the previous night AGAIN.
At 3am, she whined so loudly, I then decided not to
allow her to set a precedence of this type of behavior.
So I took her crate out to the heated gun shop and
decided to let her act out her bad behavior in peace,
and send a message that her obnoxious behavior
was not going to be tolerated.
This morning at 6am, I went out, and she had vomited
(normal looking dog food) and defecated in her crate
(not normal for Reka, but then, She normally didn't
sleep in a crate, NEVER gets corrected (she never does
anything to GET corrected for) and was probably nerves
from the outside experience, plus reprimand and solitary
confinement.)
I let her in the house while I cleaned the cage. Hoping
I had made my point. She acted healthy and normal, and
playful and chipper. But then I noticed a spot of blood on
the bathroom linoleum and in the bathtub. I was the last to
take a bath, so I knew REKA was the last in the tub.
That blood didnt come from me, so it HAD to come from
Reka. Thinking about her nearing the end of her heat cycle,
I still didnt think a lot about it. I thought her obnoxious
behavior the past couple nights WAS her heat cycle..
and corresponding coyote breeding season.
Then while feeding her breakfast, I saw the whole story.
She had blood (fresh) streaming from her RECTUM. UhOh.
I had her at the vets office this morning before he
opened. He just said her intestines were all bunched
up with huge air pockets.
Was there any chance that she ate strings of carpets? I
said, last Thursday we took a plastic tarp out of the yard
that we had over the grill to protect it from the weather
because she was chewing it. That would explain
EVERYTHING.
The strings are binding and bunching up her intestines,
cutting her internally and tying her intestines in knots as
it works its way through.
Reka is in a very critical situation. She is going to
require extensive and expensive surgery that I cant
afford. I will manage.
Even with the surgery, her condition will be critical
for awhile. Scary thoughts. I would never have
treated her the way I did last night, if I had even a
clue that she was sick. I feel so badly.
--
diddy
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
From: diddy <none>
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:00:29 -0600
Local: Sun, Nov 11 2007 1:00 pm
Subject: And then there were......
I was prepared a few hours ago to post there were now
only two dogs. But after a trip to the Dayton Emergency
clinic, we are now only $200 poorer and brought home a
very torb'ed up beagle.
We estimate the beagle to be about 14.
This morning she had severe abdominal distress. Pacing,
whining, and crippling spasm, accompanied with the most
pitiful moans and groans you ever heard.
My husband said, if it's serious (LOOK HERE.. ANY PAIN OF
THAT MAGNITUDE IS SERIOUS!) we weren't going to fix it,
we would simply put her down. But she got out yesterday, and
indulged in a buffet of horse meadow muffins.
She may be impacted, and it might pass.
I told him she's in pain, and transient or not, we
have to do something about the pain while we
wait to see if the issue resolves or not.
So the vet said, if you aren't fixing it. Let's juice her
up on Torbugesic, healthy doses of antibiotics, with reglan
to move things along. We just treated everything. So if
there is improvement, we will assume fixable. If not.. I
will write that "And then there were two" post.
to be continued.....
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
You're a LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN MENTAL CASE, diddler.
"diddy" <none> wrote in message
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dog trainer must succeed. By nature, "Command" mentality
makes dog trainers a curmudgeonly lot. The deeper a dog
behavior digs in, the more willing a good trainer is to do
what it takes to uproot the undesired behavior.
This willingness to tackle what results in a battle of wills
is well pronounced in dog trainers. And if you think that's
something, try horse trainer lists, where the ante is upped X
1000 pounds and poor results can KILL you!
However, "nice little horsey " types are rarely successful
in horse training and rather self extingui****ng bringing
about more moderation in established techniques.
BWEEEAAAAHAHAAA~!
"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated cir***stances.
A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.
I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS?:
"Cappy the beagle killed one of my ducklings today.
Tuck grabbed a leg, and swallowed a leg and thigh
before I could get him.
a month ago, he almost died from swallowing a
chicken wing. Now I'm sweating all over again.
I think he's never going to be allowed out ever
again without a muzzle! (he seems alright thus far.
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
Re: Tuck's SAR experience
"diddy" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Xns982D2E8C7C9D6danny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just came in from putting chickens to bed, and Tuck
had my computer keyboard on the floor, and there are
now two keys missing.
Ornery git
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
"diddy" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Xns9839861A82FF6danny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> in thread news:m1s5g2lsio01rsk9iisfcjotfqigmljjnp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Janet B <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled
the following words:
> Curious how many choose to crate a dog forever,
> whenever they leave the house and/or overnight,
> or how many choose to wean from household
> crate usage (usage being shutting the dog in the
> crate, not the dog choosing to hang out there) at
> some specific ages or maturity levels.
> Not for how long during a workday, but how
> long for a dog's lifespan?
I plan on crating Tuck whenever NOT supervised
(which isn't often.. he usually is with me) Until the
day that he quits tearing apart everything in sight
when I leave the room.
A dog proof room doesn't work.
He's figured out door knobs. He's figured out cupboards,
and he loves to tug open dresser drawers. He's not
interested in anything left out in the open.
He's into treasure hunting, figuring anything worth
secreting away is worth his effort discovering. He's
discovered the sock stash is in drawers.
Trash cans? --not interested.
Counter tops? --not interested
Counter tops -with food? --not interested
Dog food sitting on the floorin open bags? --not interested
razor blades from bathroom drawers? ... Very cool stuff!
Mom really gets bent too!
nope.. His crate is going to be occupied for
some time to come.
As for the beagle.. She's never been trustworthy.
She's getting senile and never will be trustworthy,
so a crate is in her future until she crosses the bridge.
Reka, no crate at no time, She lost her crate when she was
5 months old. Both Tuck, and reka hangout in crates by choice.
Reka dens in the bathtub usually. (kind of a crate) But she
likes the beagles vantage point, because the beagles crate
is on top of Tuck's. Right next to the window so she can see
out. Tuck prefers the compartment with a view as well.
I always have to vacate him (even though the crate on top is
too small for both elkhounds, it's their preferred lookout)
when I wantto stick in the beagle.
Reka sleeps under the bed at night or in the bathtub at night
if it's really hot. She sleeps in the bathtub by day when not
watching from the penthouse suite.
Tuck is not crated at night, and has chosen to sleep in
the closet. The beagle holds down the couch, night and day.
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
> "diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:JS76a.9623
>
>> Taya had eaten over 5 POUNDS of summer sausage!
>> I just had to laugh, because otherwise, I'd have cried.
>
> is taya an elkie? no point in crying over ingested summer sausage
> is what my mom used to say. did she get the runs?
Taya IS a 1/2 a cup a day for food elkie. When i told mom and dad
that she ate 5 POUNDS, we all marveled, my goodness! Where did she
put it all!
She went to the emergency vet clinic last night in a snowstorm
along 60 miles of ice slick roads, & blowing snow. The price
wasn't bad $120 but she had pancreatitis.
Crap, I should have induced vomiting when I realized it had happened.
Going from a regular diet of ounces in a day to 5 pounds
was bound to cause problems!
She seemed fine at the time, and I didn't think about it.
It could have been worse. There was NO fat in those summer sausages,
because they were homemade. No greasy texture, and much better than
any you buy. Because there was no fat, I had figured pancreatits
wasn't going to be a factor.
Wrong again.
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
"diddy" <diddy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
News:Xns993C52BAC299Bdanny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
dogs aren't into beer that much.
But they sure love Horse poop!
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"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated cir***stances.
A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.
I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
"diddy" <none> wrote in message
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> Terri <Terri@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spoke these words of wisdom in
> news:Xns99E8D0E4C5B7544444@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> diddy <none> wrote in
news:Xns99E8E49A5599Ddiddydiddynet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>> Terri <Terri@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spoke these words of wisdom in
>>> news:Xns99E8CD58B34FE7544444@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>> How's Cappy?
diddler might have to MURDER him like HOWE she done
Danny and had the same RESULTS terri done when she
MURDERED her DEAD DOG Mojo <{}: ~ ( >
diddler the **** stain scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated cir***stances.
A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.
I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"
BWEEEEAAAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns99E670733299Cdiddydiddynet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Shelly <scouvrette@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spoke these words of
wisdom in news:fh9qdj $717$2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I wonder if the screaming was just her coming
> out of the drugs, and nothing to do with pain?
No she was pain, because you could see her cringing.
And she just passed one big solid rock hardball.. so I
think she was just constipated. I think there are more
to come, and since i posted, she's still whimpered a few
times, I think this was a blockage issue and the reglan
moved things along.
We weren't going to operate if it was a blockage.
We simply would have put her down.
Well When Cappy was sick last week, my husband said,
she's old, she's not worth anything, and we aren't going to
put the money into saving her that you would put into your
dogs. We just aren't going to fix anything.
HUH?
Well I can understand not giving her a kidney transplant
if she needed one... but look it.. she's in pain.
Him: wait and see if she gets over it.
Me: She's in pain
Him: Well I'm not going to go out and shoot her, if she
can just pass this thing she swallowed.
Me: She's in pain.
Tuck finally demanded that I take care of her, and I told
my husband, I was taking her to Dayton Emergency Hospital...
because she's in pain. I won't fix anything, but we ARE doing
pain management while we see if she recovers or not.
So i shamed him into going, and the vet treated her for a
bunch of potential problems, and we diagnosed nothing.
Three days later, three consecutive Emergency vet visits and
$600 poorer, and one better beagle... We both agree, it isn't
about what a dog is worth, it's about basic needs. We now have
a very expensive old beagle, and she feels like she was worth
every penny. So do I. I've never even had any emotional
investment in the dog. But she doesn't deserve to suffer.
We won't ever fix anything on her.. but she's entitled to her
comfortable place holding down the couch, and living pain
free until her time comes.
This time was not her time.
We both learned a lesson over this beagle. My husband learned
that it's not about worth. Every life has worth. If you take
responsibility for a life, it then takes on a value.
You have made a contract with that life for food, shelter,
and at the very basic level... a life without unreasonable
pain.
My husband learned something about me. Even though i have
never made a commitment to that dog, i have now, because
she was not allowed to live under my roof in pain.
I learned something about that beagle. Even though we have
both shared the same roof for probably 5-6 years, and I
never recognized her as our beagle, but more the beagle that
came, and stayed, and her owners never came looking for her,
It just occurred to me, that she's ours NOW.
And i share your sentiments about being appalled at what some
people consider basics, others consider luxuries. I can make
a living (and DO) on the stuff my wealthy neighbors across the
street throw away.
My son's father in law and I were sitting at the table cutting
up a deer this afternoon. And were discussing the same thing..
Basic NEEDS, and WANTS, and distingui****ng the difference.
To me, a luxury is paying my dialup internet. I can live
without the internet. The internet to me is an indulgence
but very cheap entertainment. We were laughing about his
daughter's (My daughter in laws) compulsion to shop, and
her lack of recognition to tell the difference between
NEED and want.
And there is a Chasm between the two.
Obviously a roof over my head is a need to me. But people
survive on the streets homeless. Therefore, even then my
definition of NEED becomes a luxury.
If you stop and think about it, even living a very bare
bones existance is pretty luxurious. I am a lavish
spender. I have pets. nuff said.
NOT QUITE, diddler:
diddler the **** stain scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated cir***stances.
A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Date: December 29, 2006 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: Dog chewing up floors
in thread news:aad9p2hg0aei5nijqludfvqhb8g1l0jsaj@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mmmtobler...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled the following
words:
> I, for one, am glad that the Puppy Wizard comes across
> as a complete loon given what his advice is since it
> makes it less likely that people will take it instead
> of the advice of someone else I think gives better advice.
For the record, The Puppy wizard over-rates himself. But
"his" (tm) methods are pretty much tried and true methods
that trainers have used and some still use today.
There are better methods out there now. But the ones posted
in his manual (now that he has removed the advice to SPIKE
a dog's temperature to dangerous levels) are sound. they work..
no matter what we think of the puppy-wizard and his packaging...
"his methods" <cough> are just as valid as anyone else's
"His methods" can stand some updating, and he definitely
needs to look at some repackaging.
Hopefully others add a slicker delivery to grab attention,
but truthfully, when you look at the cat fights that go on
here, and stand back and watch in perspective, it's rather
hard to determine the sane ones from the lunatics.
In fact, an awful lot of people here come off looking
rather tainted. A person needs to have a good filtering
device to sort out the noise.
TPW just has a problem that's too painfully obvious.
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You mean, LIKE THIS?:
HOWEDY diddler you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal
murderin punk thug coward active acute chronic life long
incurable malignant mental case and backyard PUPPY MILLER /
professional dog trainin FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST,
"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns99D5A96165C14diddydiddynet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ceb <ceb4v@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spoke these words of wisdom in
> news:Xns99D59F74643E5ceb4vvirginiaedu@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> IIRC, we used a version of this method in obedience class
>> for Zoe and Queenie. It was usually a long leash, and it
>> helped to enforce the come, mainly by getting their attention.
>> Of course, after they did come, we gave them a treat and
>> praised them to the skies.
>>
>> The dogs had already learned sit and stay, but sometimes
>> their eyes would drift and it could be hard to get their
>> attention.
>
>> Eventually we learned to have them come without the leash,
>> but almost everything was done on- leash to start with.
> ceb, We teach the recall on a long lead in obedience cl***** also.
That so, diddler?
> We had a dog leave the building once, and for
> liability reasons, we use a long line..
Oh? What happened? Did your idiot imbecile son leave the
door open like HOWE he done your front gate an let your
dogs escape an get whacked by a car AGAIN?:
"I was in that position once when Becky was hit
by a car when my son left the yard gate open."
> In fact, I belong to 3 obedience dog clubs,
> and all three teach the recall on a long line.
That so, diddler?
> And if I had a dog that didn't come, I would be
> teaching my dog that way at home too.
That so, diddler?
> I've never needed to,
Oh, you mean on accHOWENTA you just SHOCK your dog
when IT blows you off, ain't that correct, diddler?
LIKE THIS:
"When Tuck was a little guy, all of a sudden he started blowing
me off on recall. Yes, Yes i did, put him on a remote collar. It
took one time (he hadn't established a pattern yet) and it fixed
the problem. When I call, he doesn't even think about it. he turns
and is on the run.
I think a dog should have a sound recall base before doing the
remote trainer. As he ran the other direction, I upped the stim
a level, it took twice in one training session and NOT coming
has never been a thought since."
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAA!!!
"And if I had a dog that didn't come, I would
be teaching my dog that way at home too. I've
never needed to,"
That so, diddler?
> but since the OP is having issues, your advice is spot on.
Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS, diddler?:
diddler the **** stain scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated cir***stances.
A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.
I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"
ALL ABOARD~!
BWEEEAAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
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