HOWEDY tommy sorenson aka not so handsome,
not so happy, not so gentle, not so manly, jackass,
not even jack morrison aka joey finnochiarrio aka
howie lip****z aka BIG DADDY aka DOGMAN,
a.k.a. *****MAN, you pathetic miserable stinkin
anonymHOWES malignant maliciHOWES lyin dog
child an spHOWES abusing punk thug coward active
accute chronic life long incurable mental case and
paranoid homophobe, misogynist, puppy miller and
shock collar salesman,
"Jack "Crackpot" Morrison" <handsomejackmorrison@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message news:nihn541ppsr013tgfdt9k901v4mvfee681@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:31:30 -0700 (PDT), Mike Franklin
> <mkfrnkln@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>Greetings, everybody! This is my first post to this newsgroup.
>>
>>Holly, my 4 year old border collie, has recently started doing what
>>looks like submission peeing. When I come home, she always moves
>>around to the side of the house, always in the exact same spot, and
>>waits for me to come find her. It's like a game she plays.
>
> Then don't play it.
You think his dog is PLAYIN, tommy?
The dog is AFRAID.
THAT'S HOWE COME dogs SUBMISSIVELY PISS themselves.
> Make your arrivals matter-of-fact. I.e., quiet, low-key.
You think he's makin too much NOISE when he SCARES
his dog, tommy? Perhaps he should try DISTRACTIN his
doggy just PRYOR to IT PISSIN HISSELF, eh, tommy?
LIKE THIS:
tommy wrote:
"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and ****n. Yep, really lean into it.
Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
make her think twice about ru****ng past you again -
- which is exactly what you want her to do.
Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.
If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.
When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and ****ge her with your knee. Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."
I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training. That is, she just
needs *more* of it."
"My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.
A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.
Okay. Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
really matters. Saving lives and making dogs become
good citizens
At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
*not* constitute a "beating."
=====================
From: dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman)
Date: 1999/01/15
Subject: Re: Another mouthy lab
Get this book:
"The Art of Raising A Puppy," by the Monks of New Skete
If you can't find it locally, you can obtain it
through my Web site (see below).
You'll need it for more than just the usual puppy
"mouthing" problems, anyway.
And good luck with your Lab puppy!
--
Dogman
------------------------
From: osi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Michael Erskine)
Date: 12 Aug 2004 10:09:05 -0700
Subject: My GSD bit me.
The question:
I have a four year old male GSD. He growls
at me sometimes. When he growls at me he
stares me in the face and lays his ears back.
The New Skete books say that the dog should not be
allowed to do that. They suggest shaking down the
dog by grabing the dog on the sides of his neck and
picking him off his front feet, then giving the dog the
same sort of treatment the dog would give another if
it were challenging him.
Namely getting in the dogs face and letting
the dog know you are the alpha dog.
Well, my dog bit me clearly he felt that I was not
convincing enough or he bit me out of fear.
Anyone got ideas on what to do with this dog that might
help him to decide that he wants to follow and that he
has nothing to fear from me?
----------------------
From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:21:14 GMT
Subject: Re: My GSD bit me.
You need to improve your acting skills. Get a werewolf
suit with blood-drenched fangs and claw gloves and THEN
go after your dog.
Knock the **** out of him and don't be afraid to crack
some ribs. Then yank the mask off and shout "SURPRISE!
IT'S ME!" I guarantee you and your dog will have a new
relation****p based on mutual respect.
Keep in mind that the monks of New Skete
were pre-Lon-Chaney.
Charlie
-----------------------
> Try making her come to you, then greet her matter-of-factly.
You think that'll be EFFECTIVE, tommy?:
tommy wrote:
"And second, how effective the training techniques employed are."
From: dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman) Date: 1997/11/11
Subject: Re: Koehler's Usefulness--A Concluding *****sment
This, from a yellow-bellied coward who has TOTALLY refused
to engage me in debate, preferring mudslinging, hyperbole, distortion,
lies, exaggeration, and to take Koehler completely out of context,
instead.
What lying hypocrites these hand-wringers are!
The most consistent argument among Koehler's defenders is based
on a questionable assumption that such "drastic" measures are
effective in "extreme" cases where other methods fail.
------------------------
> Don't make such a big deal of it.
You mean, like HOWE you DENY who you REALLY ARE, tommy?:
"Dogman" <dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:dr60ts4q1kk0r5h0a7pocmngr2hbi78ggd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
And since I have repeatedly *denied* being either Tommy
Sorensen, Tommy Sorenson, Joe Finocchiaro, Joey
Finocchare, Joe Finocchiro, and a host of other people that
*you* have accused me of being, just who the hell do you
suppose would end up getting sued, you stupid little
dweeb?
Me? Or you?
> Because I've discreditied YOU.
Where exactly did you do that, little man?
Where????????
BWAHAHAHAHA!
Maybe inside that demented little brain of yours, but nowhere else.
And until you're prepared to walk the walk and not just talk the talk,
"everyone" here will know you for what you really are.
A two-bit P-H-O-N-Y.
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
COME you won't tell us your kennel name is sorensen's
Retrievers and SHOCK COLLAR SALES and your address
and phone #'s are:
From: A Real American <u...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2000/10/11
Subject: Re: Walking with Prong Collar
In case anyone was wondering who the anonymous poster
known as Dogman actually is, it is
Tom Sorenson of
Sorenson Kennels
(314) 828-5149
1073 Hwy DD
Defiance, MO
63341-1707
If you are offended by the language and the nastiness, please drop
him and his wife Kay a note or give them a call. You may also use
the ab...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
route.
I will be reposting this information whenever I feel like it.
Uncle Sam
--------------------
As a matter of FACT we DID speak on
the phone, didn't we, tommy <{}: ~ ) >
Newsgroups: comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows
From: Tom Sorensen <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2000/07/21
Subject: Help! Installed 4.3.2 over 4.2 and lost Personalities,
Signatures, Mailboxes, etc.
I recently installed 4.3.2 over 4.2 and in the process, I have
somehow lost my access to Personalities, Signatures, Mailboxes,
etc.
Well, initially when I hit the Personalities button(after installing
the new version), a box appeared on the left, where it's supposed
to appear, but nothing was there! No Personalities, no nothing.
Same thing for Mailboxes, etc. I tried dragging the divider to the
left (as I thought the Help file instructed), but now I've apparently
drug it so far left that I can't get it to drag to the right again.
That is, I can't get it to open up again.
Now I can't use the Personalities, Mailbox, and Signature buttons
at all, making it very difficult for me to send messages.
I manage several busy mail lists and need HELP ASAP!
Thanks in advance for any help you care to offer me.
Tom Sorensen
j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dogman
mailto:dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-----------------------
From: dogman @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Joe Finocchiaro)
Date: 1996/12/04
Subject: Re: I AM JOINING P.E.T.A.
From: dogman @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Joe Finocchiaro)
Date: 1996/12/02
Subject: Re: Sup****t for first-time puppy owners
From: dogman @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman)
Date: 1999/02/11
Subject: Re: *****man
Upon my return to the Cuckoo's Nest,
Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:46:51 GMT, incognit...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
says:
[...]
>> Hey Joey!!!!! Marshall has tracked you down to your den!!!
>> This is, what, the 5th time?
No, I make it the sixth, but then I'm not counting.
And it's still the wrong den, wrong wolf.
But who cares?
He's a freakin' professor, eh?
He's the very reason that S.A.T. scores have to
be "adjusted" every freakin' year.
>> Robert
> Hypothetical question for Robert Crim and Joe Finocchiaro.
> As the newsgroups self described tough guys (to your enemies)
> and nice guys (to the innocent), how would you respond to a
> posting of your complete addresses and phone numbers?
What kind of question is that???????
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.
They get weirder and weirder here by the day...
Hey, schmuckface, either say something about DOGS, or GO AWAY, eh?
> Would you welcome any challenge, or protect the innocent, by
> acknowledging the accuracy of the posted information? That
> information, in fact, is readily available from a simple DejaNews
> and Yahoo search.
> Would you "walk the talk
Yo!
Stick it in your ear, eh?
And then keep sticking it in there until you come to your freakin'
senses.
Geeeeeeeeez.
--
Dogman
dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
---------------------------
> The advice about having her checked for an UTI is
> good, too, but you might want to give this a try first.
That so, tommy? PERHAPS the REASON his dog is
PISSIN HISSELF when he comes into his HOWES is
on accHOWENTA he TRIED YOUR "TRAININ" methods?
LIKE THIS:
tommy *(who AIN'T tommy sorensen) sez:
"IMO, the *fastest* way to curb a mouthy puppy's
desire to bite hands (especially if other methods
have failed, because you don't want this habit to
become reinforced by too much success), etc., is
to take advantage of the pup's gag reflex:
Slowly reach over and around the pup's shoulder
(while you're sitting on the floor), coming up to
the pup's mouth from underneath it with your
right hand (that way he can't see your finger or
your hand), and stick your index finger into the
pup's mouth, at the very rear, then down the
pup's throat, and gently place some downward
pressure on the back of the tongue, until he starts
to gag. Use your left arm to hold him close to you,
while you're doing this.
Trust me, it's easier to demonstrate this technique
than to explain it, but it's fail-proof.
He'll quickly put 2 and 2 together. Biting hands = gag.
--
Handsome Jack Morrison
-------------------
Yeah. If you ever done that in front of me I'd kick the
BULL**** HOWETA you an boil what's left of your
lyin a$$ 240#'s of lard into soap, tommy <{}: ~ ( >
> Good luck!
Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK, tommy: "LUCK is for SUCKERS. NEVER
make a SUCKER'S bet," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{}: ~ ) >
> --
> Jack "Crackpot" Morrison
Hey tommy? You AIN'T a "crackpot". You're a pathetic miserable
stinkin rotten lyin anonymHOWES dog, child an spHOWES abusin COWARD and
MENTAL CASE.
HOWE COME would a EXXXPERT such as yourself set their
INFORMATIVE posts to EXXXPIRE in six days like matty
a.k.a. Rocky, diddler, elegy, meat terri a.k.a. dogsnuts, professora
melanie chang, marquis de "READ KOEHLER FOR CONTENT"
shaw and not so handsome not so gentle jackass, not even
jack morrison a.k.a. joe finnochiarrio a.k.a. BIG DADDY a.k.a.
DOGMAN?? Ooops~! That last anonymHOWES coward is *you*,
tommy.
Are you EMBARRASSED by your own words, you lyin animal
murderin punk thug coward mental case fraud an SCAM ARTIST?
matty aka Rocky EXXXPLAINS HOWE COME:
"Rocky" <2d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no
archive, and it's a shame. Once in a while, while
looking for something else, I'll run into an old post
of mine. What an idiotic response! Whoops.
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!
From: Mark Shaw <ms...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 19:38:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: usenet anonymity
Some people freak out over pseudonyms. I don't know why.
I use a fake name on another newsgroup. Why? Without getting
into too many details, it's to avoid possible hard feelings should
what I post there be revealed to certain friends or coworkers in
real life.
But the name I'm known by there is real, and it's legitimately mine
in a sense - it's the name of the imaginary friend I had when I was
three or four years old. And I don't change it around; nor is it
intended to defraud or otherwise harm anybody.
So: meh.
--
Mark Shaw (And Baron)
-----------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
"Mark Shaw" <mshaw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:g2go3g
$ga2$2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Melinda Shore <shore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> In article
>> <507eeb54-51cd-437c-a46b-6531ce572115@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>> <mlolowang0@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >Before purchasing an exotic animals [sic] insurance policy,
>
>> There is just no keeping up with these parasites.
INDEED?
> This one took forEVER to get to the link, too.
Perhaps it was over ridden by all your incessant weekly warnings
posts?
>> Has anybody here actually ever bought anything from a blogspot ad?
> Pfaugh!
Perhaps you should refrain from posting to my forums, unless
of curse, it's your regular weekly warnings not to believe me,
eh, marquis?:
From: ms...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
20 Sep 2002 05:19:00 -0400
Subject: How to set up and use a killfile (weekly posting)
Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically
mark certain posts or threads as read. This is usually referred
to as a killfile or a filter. Instructions on how to create a killfile
for some of the more common newsreaders are below. If yours
isn't listed, try looking in your browser under "help."
Also, here's another source for this type of information:
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile
Disclaimer: These instructions have been compiled from a variety
of sources. I only use rn myself so if the instructions below can't
help you, I can't either. Conversely, if you have any additions or
corrections to this list, please feel free to email me at
dian...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I will add them to this file next time it's
reposted.
Many, many thanks to everyone who's contributed!--Dianne Schoenberg
--------------------------------------------------------------------
AGENT
Pull down the 'Window' on the Menu. Go to Usenet Filters and click
on that.
The first icon on the toolbox should be to 'Add Kill Filter'.
Click on that.
The edit window will come up. In the area 'Filter Expression',
write 'Jerry Howe'. And then under 'Kill Action', mark whatever
little button you want.
<snip>
NETSCAPE COMMUNICATOR
Under the Edit Menu, choose the Message Filters... command.
In the resulting dialog box, click the New button to define a new
filter. Give the filter a name, like "Filter Jerry."
Set the criteria for the filter. For example, "sender is Jerry
Howe" or "subject contains ninnyboy".
Select what to do with filtered messages (delete, ignore, etc...)
Click OK. You may have to disconnect and reconnect for it to take
effect.
[N.B. As far as I can tell, there is no way to apply a Message
Filter to a newsgroup if you're using a Unix or Linux version
of Communicator. This currently (Communicator v. 4.61) seems
to work *only* for email on those platforms. -mshaw]
OUTLOOK EXPRESS 5.0
Go to the toolbar at the top of any post written by the person you
wish to banish from your computer. Click on "Message"; then, on
the drop-down menu, click on "Block Sender".
To filter out certain messages rather than blocking a sender
entirely you can create message 'rules.' Say you want to filter
out all messages containing 'ninnyboy' in the subject line. Go
to Message, Create Rule from Message. Select the condition
for each message rule you want to create and apply.
RN & TRN
To create a global killfile in either of these newsreaders, create
a file in your News directory called KILL (this must be in all
capital letters). Use any text editor to enter the following line into it:
/jh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This killfile will junk any posts from jh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
to any
newsgroup you read.
TIN
Read a message from the person you want to killfile or with the
subject heading you want to killfile. While that's on the screen, hit
ctrl and k at the same time (^k).
A questionaire type screen appears. Return is like saying yes.
Space will toggle from the "subject header" to the "sent from" line.
In other words, you can choose to kill anything from a particular
person or to kill anything with a particular word in the subject
heading.
I recommend killfiling people instead of killfiling words because
I might want to kill a subject about "lying dirt bags"
***(like marquis and malinda)***
today but want to read something about a dog "lying in dirt"
tomorrow. The people stay more constant than the subject lines.
--------------------
BOTH THESE GUYS GOT DEAD DOGS
CAUSE THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE THEIR
Puppy Wizard TILL IT WAS TOO LATE:
From: misty (Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Date: 2002-01-23 07:46:16 PST
Beth wrote:
> So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.
The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home
were: build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan
on putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.
Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning
anything. At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.
By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had
already ran away.
Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread is
mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days. I
stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated that
his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.
The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.
Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it in
my e-mail ( no storage otherwise on webby unless you put stuff
on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it on
Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to lose
another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with little
kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I still look
to see if she came home when we get back from trips. Maybe
Peach would still have ran away... I don't know and never
will....
~misty
-------------------
"misty" <Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message
news:16990-3CAB1F8C-1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive.
I do know she's not here with us. I really can't
blame anyone here for her loss. I'm the one
who ignored your advice.
I did it because of how you write/wrote.
I was unwilling to accept the idea
that my using a shock collar could have
any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay
home.
Up until I started using it my main concern
had been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence...well,
then my concern became how to keep
them from running off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming
embroiled in the anti-shock debate and
the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in
the world now <g> A Wits End> Trained dog,
one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard,
and doesn't bark all the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
"misty" <Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:6946-3B6337A1-329@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this
Spring. Two dogs, two collars We now have
one dog and no collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not
want to come back in the yard and would run for days.
The last time, Peach didn't come back home.
I used the Wit's End Training Manual to
learn how to train my dog. She is now
border trained. A few minutes each day
reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.
She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop
her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes
when we walk around the yard.
I can not say loud or long enough how
much I hate the e-fence and its collars.
If you can't get a regular fence then you need to
train your dog. I will never rely on an electronic
collar to keep my dog in our yard again.
The price was too high:-(
~misty
---------------------
<"Terri"@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> dogsnuts wrote:
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his
> posts and watching him extract his soggy foot
> out of his mouth! Out of these MILLIONS, I've
> only seen 2 naive childs come forward and
> actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive
childs since I freely admit to having read and, I
hope, understood enough of the manual and it's
counterparts by John Fisher and the posts of
Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.
This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant
barrage of really infantile crap at the hands of
supposedly adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with
the nagging idea that if people like them had been
posting earlier, maybe we would not have had to
hold the head of a really magnificent animal in our
arms while he was given the needle and having to
hug him and wait until he gasped his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a
dog into good behavior. Naive is believing that
people that hide behind fake names are more
honest than people that use their real names.
Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have
studied and lived by their craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see
kindergarten level insults for what they are. Really
stupid is believing that people like Jerry Howe and
Marilyn Rammell are going to just go away because
you people act like fools.
Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea,
and I don't really care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward
> and actually admit to buying and having success
> with his little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day
and take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use
and testing. You would never believe the results, so
you'll never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man
> coming by Jerry's posts deserves to get what
> is sure to be coming to him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and
Longsuffering Wife and Rollei will just have to get
what we deserve, eh? As Joey (Dogman) says,
"poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)
===============
From: Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(misty)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:44:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Wits End Training manual?
I used the Wit's Ends Training manual to teach myself how
to interact with Zelda. The first read through made no
sense to me...the second time through, things clicked and
the little lightbulb glowed.
I trained Zelda to stay in the yard, not chase cats, to come,
sit ,down, stop chewing toys and to be quiet when she barks
at things she hears outside.
I don't care if 99% of the manual came from 99 other trainers...
I needed the info, it was offered free of charge and any questions
can be asked of Jerry.
One thing about his method, although you can "spot" train
with it, it works best by a pyramid approach.IOW start
at the beginning and go through the exercises in the order
he has them wrote.
The part about "non-physical praise" confused me until I
tried a little experiment. I petted Zelda and told her
what a good girl she was...she enjoyed it, tail wagging.
I then put my hand away from her (behind my back) and
praised her...she got very wiggly, ****ged me with her nose,
pawed at me and wanted more praise. Not very scientific,
I know, but it was interesting to me how excited she got.
I find that I'm starting to use Jerry's method to "train"
my kids as well:-)
~misty
My "daughter" http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/ZeldaAnneArensdorf/
My sons http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/Arensdorf14Acre/
From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:13:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Wits End Training manual?
On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:44:25 -0500 (CDT),
Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(misty) wrote:
> I find that I'm starting to use Jerry's method to "train" my kids as
> well:-) ~misty
> My "daughter":
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/ZeldaAnneArensdorf/
> My sons: http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/Arensdorf14Acre/
Hi Misty!
I had just about exactly the same experience with Jerry's manual.
I had visited quite a few dog-training web sites, and, while they
didn't recommend anything too harsh, they all emphasized that
I must "assert my dominance" over the pup.
Anytime I tried doing that (just once or twice) it produced a
distinctly negative result... The pup got scared and ran away.
When I took the approach of simply making myself into the most
im****tant and desirable thing in her world, she responded incredibly
well. Now I can even break off a rabbit chase instantly (which I do
NOT want to allow, as I live in a rural area with chickens and
livestock) just by calling her once in a calm, affectionate voice.
Your kids and your dog are adorable, BTW!
You can see my pup at
http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy
Check the "more pictures" link -- like your dog, Holly
is more than happy to do an "alpha rollover" when I use
the gentle, non-confrontational approach Jerry recommends.
Charlie
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AND HERE'S HOWE COME:
From: Mark Shaw (ms...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Fido-Shock
Date: 2002-04-10
In article <gWLs8.203228$af7.101030@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
"Coleman Brumley" <clbrum...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> Has anyone had experience with this product (Fido-Shock).
>> If so, what model number, voltage, etc.?
> "If you're talking about the pet-grade hotwire system,
> I have one. It's to keep boarded dogs out of my flowers."
Seems our pal marquis de "read koehler for content" shaw runs
an unlicensed illegal "cottage industry," outta his HOWES, a
B+B for dogs.
>> I have a 1.5 year St Bernard who is scaling (not clearing -
>> - more like falling over) our 4 foot fence to visit with
>> owners walking their dogs.
My methods cure fence jumping and escape behavior in a couple
minutes without shocking and choking and crating and beating
and shooting "a good slingshot or a few BB's" as instructed
in our koehler book that we should read for content. ed w of
petloss dot CON recommends we read koehler, sez he could be
the world's best trainer.
>> I thought of raising the fence a foot or so,
Because there's no way to train a dog not to jump a barrier.
>> but don't think that'll solve the problem.
Course not. Neither will hurting him, that'll
make IT want to escape even MOORE.
>> I've tried watching her outside, and give a stern "NO"
>> when she props on the fence for a peek over it. No avail.
Course not. That'll make him try harder soon as you're not lookin.
>> I've heard this product works after just a couple of tries.
> I take it you're considering running the wire across the top of
> the fence? I don't think I'd recommend that, although it may be
> worth a try."
Course. Might as well try to HURT the dog to force it not to
want to run away. Dogs run away from their HOWESES for the
same reason kids do... they're usually abused and neglected,
even despite the daily jerk and choke and shock training.
> Watch closely -- the one case where I saw a hotwire used
> in this fa****on caused the dog undue stress and frustration,
That was on one of your illegal customer's dogs who didn't know
you was fixin to BURN their Dane while you was giving him some
loving care. Those stupid bastards trusted you not to HURT their
dog...and you done your best, but just couldn't bear NOT to HURT.
> and he tried even harder to get over the fence.
Of course, marquis. That's what got Peach DEAD.
> So be prepared to take it down right away.
So he don't get caught, marquis? He's not shocking an illegal
boarding customer's dog like you were... marquis de "READ
KOEHLER FOR CONTENT" shaw <{}: ~ ( >
> That was a Dane, though.
Yeah. A cash customer's dog. You couldn't afford to return IT
with a case of nervous aggression...and you couldn't get caught
with a hotwire just in case the dog squeals on you by his new
nervous responses.
> With a Saint things might be different.
Yeah. Did you see CUJO?
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Mark Shaw (and Maggie) anti-spam: change 'bang' to 'not'
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"Tricia9999" <tricia9...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:20021117101433.10365.00000067@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> how effective are these electronic fences in
> keeping a dog on a property????
Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
too scared to go out in the yard anymore.
Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
because the dog got caught right in the path of
the shock and will now not go near his person,
won't go outside.
Just hides under a desk in the house.
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"micha el" spam_yurs...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
in message
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Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
it felt like to me when I got shocked by
Hope's collar.
It felt like a bomb going off in my
hand and forearm.
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THAT'S HOWE COME Misty's DEAD DOG
Peaches got DEAD on us <{}: ~ ( >
From: ms...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Mark Shaw)
Date: 27 Aug 2001 23:00:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Wits End Training manual?
In article <3532-3B895199...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(misty) wrote:
> I needed the info, it was offered free of charge
> and any questions can be asked of Jerry.
This is not true, unless you're willing to kiss his, uh, ring.
If you're not, he considers you his enemy -- no matter how
you really feel about him -- and will just abuse you.
Of course, his sheep have always ignored
this and will probably continue to do so.
--
Mark Shaw (and Maggie)anti-spam: change 'bang' to 'not'
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
YOU'RE FINISHED HERE <{}: ~ ) >
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