HOWEDY liea you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
slanderin dog abusin punk thug coward active accute chronic
life-long incurable malignant maliciHOWES MENTAL CASE,
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> I'm reminded of when we got Cubbe from the shelter. Her card said that
> she'd be great in a one-dog household. Since we were only looking for
> one dog, that suited us, and we didn't think more about what it meant.
You didn't think it meant Cubbe would TURN ON YOU
for jerking and choking her on your pronged spiked pinch
choke collar and shocking her and attack your only friend
and two children standing in her shock zone and an innocent
child at the park and your veterinarian and you boyfriend
who was restraining her and an elderly dog on the street while
they was both on leash, did you, liea?
> We learned about her dog aggression shortly after we got her home. It
> was a disappointment. We hadn't wanted to own 2 dogs, but we assumed
> that we'd be taking her to dog parks, visiting friends with dogs, having
> dogs over for play dates, trading dog care when either we or a neighbor
> went out of town.
Yeah, but since you AIN'T GOT NO FRIENDS it didn't matter.
> I suppose it's turned out O.K. We've worked with the problem to some
> extent and managed it more. She's better with other dogs than she used
> to be but not trustable around them.
That so?
> She's never been in an all-out dog fight,
You mean EXXXCEPT when she attacked Chief?
> but that's because we're so careful to keep her away from other dogs.
You mean, SINCE then, of curse, EXXXCEPT when she ESCAPES
and seeks refuge in the neighbor's yard under the protection of their
Rotweiler, liea?
> Nothing too horrible has happened,
You mean, EXXXCEPT for you COMPLAININ to animal
CON-TROLL abHOWET your neighbor's Pit Bull dogs
barking at Cubbe through their electric fence and gettin
them MURDERED, liea?
> but that's partly because of luck.
Yeah?
> I wish we'd been warned about the dog aggression problem.
Actually, I DID warn you, liea. And you was the FIRST to
COMPLAIN to my ISP that I was bein CRUEL to you for
abusin your dog an makin IT TURN ON YOU.
> I can only imagine the potential for tragedy if someone gave a people
> aggressive dog to owners who weren't warned and prepared. It's
downright
> irresponsible, does nothing for the dog, and could hurt a lot of people.
You mean, LIKE THIS?:
"We got Cubbe in 1998. I immediately took her to a dog training
class that I guessed would be similar to the one Jim took Sheppe to.
Right from the start I was unhappy. I was following instructions to
the best of my ability, making no progress, and was pretty miserable.
I started posted here then. He Who Shall Not Be Named started
posting at the same time, and the group was in a stranglehold
while people dealt with that.
I finished that 6 week course and tried another. That one was at a
nearby community school. The teacher was better, more observent,
and still teaching leash pops. I wasn't willing to call them a bad
thing because they'd worked for Sheppe. I hadn't realized yet that
they weren't going to work for Cubbe.
"I was starting to realize that Cubbe's troubles getting along with
other dogs was going to prevent her from learning anything in group
cl*****. "
"They also suggested I ask my veterinarian for suggestions
for in-person training. I got in-person clicker training help
and started having fun with Cubbe practically overnight.
Cubbe and I both took to it."
"I think of the way Cubbe is so awful at the vet. It is embarrassing
to have to muzzle your dog, but from Cubbe's perspective, she's just
defending herself, and I've come to admire her for that. All she
knows is that woman is trying to hurt her, and she's taking reasonable
measures in defense. The bad news is that the vet re****ts no
improvement in her fear during the exam and shots.--Lia"
"Cubbe is highly sensitive. She knows she's going to be hurt and
wiggles and squirms and might bite if she weren't muzzled. we put
her through a number of tests for parasites and had to knock her out
to look into her ears. There's also the problem with looking at
Cubbe's
teeth when she's not anesthetized. Jim and I can open her mouth with
no problem, but she's a wild woman at the vet.--Lia"
"Cubbe is a fear biter, but not, I think, an incorrigible one. She
needs a muzzle at the vet. I have to be super careful with her around
children. She's snapped at children (never breaking the skin). I
frequently have to tell kids that they can't pet my dog. (That's why
yesterday's story about her being subjected to a patting was a happy
unusual one.) She's always on a leash outside. We're managing the
situation and doing our best. She's also my dog, and I'm not about
to put her down for her crimes.
I'm guessing that the idiot whose dog attacked the kid feels the
same way about her dog as I feel about mine. I wouldn't say that
the situations are the same, though. What that dog did to that child
is on a whole 'nother scale. --Lia "
"I'm extra nervous because Cubbe is so fearful about being
cornered and of quick movements. I know Cubbe can snap
in fear. She's always had issues with cats and children that
weren't accurately represented on her intake sheet either.--Lia"
"I guess I should just learn from it and never let Cubbe
greet someone like that again, but I'm horribly torn up.
I've said that I would never keep an aggressive dog. Now
the whole issue is so complicated. Cubbe is great even with
kids when we meet them in the neighborhood."
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
> or see if there's a resource guide at the library.
liea means the same kinda RESOURCES she's used for Cubbe <{}: ~ ) >
> Since you don't have specific problems
Like leash pulling and not coming when called and hyperactivity.
> and just need general guidance,
For the sorts of PROBLEMS CAUSED BY choking dogs on leash.
> I'd say go to the library and look at the books they have there.
> There are lots of methods to choose from. One will work.
Ahhhh, JUST LIKE HOWE they done for liea's fear
aggressive hyperactive escape artist Cubbe <{}: ~ ) >
> Be consistent.
Right. Cubbe has likeWIZE bitten her ignorameHOWES
boyfriend jim, her veterinary malpracticioner, attacked an
elderly dog on the street, three innocent children and her
ONLY real life in person friend.
> --Lia
liea is pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin dog abusin punk
thug coward active accute chronic life long incurable malignant
maliciHOWES mental case who PREFERS to jerk choke shock
bribe crate intimdiate and surgically ***ually mutilate innocent
defenseless dumb critters an LIE abHOWET it.
LIKE THIS:
From: d0006...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Julia F N Altshuler)
Date: 8 Apr 2001 12:27:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Lost dog - Pointe-Claire, West Island of Montreal
I know this advice is late, and I hope it's not hurtful at this point,
but we got an electric fence Cubbe, and it's working great.
She used to escape the regular fence and cause us all the anxiety
you're currently going through. Every time we though we'd thought
of everything to make the fence secure, she'd find another way out.
The wire for the electric fence now goes up next to the real
fence so she gets zapped if she goes too near.
Now she can enjoy running around her yard but can't get close
enough to the fence to figure out a way under, over or through.
Best wishes. I really do know what you're going through.
--Lia, building good memories with Cubbe --"
LIKE THIS:
Julia F N Altshuler (d0006...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: 1 step forward, 2 steps back
Date: 2001-01-07 19:28:05 PST
Cubbe got out in the neighborhood leashless for the
first time in roughly 2 years. The first few times were
when we first got her before she'd had any training
and before we got the electric fence to reinforce the
physical one.
It was horrible. She paid us no attention, ignored
clickers and treats and calls. Make that, it was
horrible for us. She had a blast running free and
chasing whatever she wanted.
For us it was 45 minutes of sheer terror as we
tried to catch her.
Luckily there wasn't too much traffic yesterday
morning. It had snowed, and the streets weren't
quite clear yet. Jim finally caught her when she
was preoccupied with her head down a hole.
For 2 years I've been giving her a daily long walk in the
neighborhood. She now walks pretty nicely on a leash.
She gets daily indoor clicker training sessions.
She has perfect recalls in the house. She gets intermittent
treats for those recalls. She gets plenty of time to run free
in the backyard.
Her recalls are less reliable there, but I've been
working on them. I haven't been as good about
introducing the variable reinforcement there, but
I have been good about making sure that she's
never tricked into coming into the house when
she'd rather be outside. I always call her, give
her a treat or praise and let her go again.
So I haven't been a perfect dog trainer, but I don't
think I'm a terrible one. I say that because I'm about
to ask y'all for some help in correcting my mistakes,
and while I don't mind criticism for past mistakes, I
am hoping you'll concentrate on what I should do now.
Yesterday morning Cubbe had had some nice backyard
time. I'd gotten her into the house and was preparing to
leave when she escaped straight through the front door
and right in front of our noses.
She was still wearing the zap collar, but the
battery was low. She gave a small yip when
she went over the wire, and the chase ensued.
We were careful not to scold her once she was caught.
Today I let her out in the backyard with her usual zap
collar now with a fresh battery. She was waiting by the
backdoor to come in when I went to call her. From her
excited behavior, I could tell that she fully expected
to be let out the front door again so she could have
another fun romp in the neighborhood.
I'm so filled with anxiety from yesterday's
escapade that I keep checking for her every
time I open the door.
Later in the afternoon, she was much worse
about coming when called even from the backyard.
My specific questions:
How do I teach recalls when she so clearly knows
when she's in a confined space and when she isn't?
She normally only wears the zap collar when she's in the
backyard because the wire goes around the house and
could zap her when she's near certain windows inside.
If I let her get zapped at the front door with the zap collar,
can I still take the zap collar off and walk her out the front
door with her leash on?
I don't want her to become afraid of the front door.
What's the best emergency procedure if, god
forbid, it should happen again?
Might Cubbe be ready for harsher training techniques?
By this I mean, I've been using clicker and treats for
Cubbe because she so obviously freaked when we used
leash corrections and scoldings when we first got her.
I know this is a hard subject to bring up without
starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll state
my opinion once and won't defend it further: any
method can be cruel for some dogs.
Even the slightest punishment was wrong for
Cubbe at the beginning, but we've come a long
way since then.
She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.
Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
never been punished, even in the mildest way, for
not coming.
Is it time for that?
What might I look for to tell?
Last night we had friends over for dinner with their
3 daughters ages 14, 10 and 7. The girls loved Cubbe
and were having a blast clicker training her.
I was impressed with how quickly they caught on and
how little correction they needed to be consistent
with the clicks and treats.
Cubbe was fine with the children; she always
has been. Just as they were getting ready to
go, the 10 year old went to give Cubbe a hug.
Cubbe must have felt threatened and confined
because she gave a snarl-snap.
I was right there, and without thinking I quickly yelled,
turned Cubbe over on her back, got in the face and let
her know that no snarling is allowed. The girl wasn't
frightened at all, and her parents who were also right
there hadn't realized what had happened. I then asked
the snarlee to rub Cubbe's belly further to reinforce
that Cubbe is the submissive one in that relation****p.
I let Cubbe up and all was fine.
I suppose that's another issue, but I bring it up as part
of wondering if Cubbe should be trained with punishments now.
Like I said, I did that without thinking, and now I think it
was the right thing to do. So how do I apply this to dealing
with Cubbe the escapee?
--Lia
===================
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
AND LIKE THIS:
"Okay, I'm dealing with Cubbe, but she doesn't get along with other
dogs, and I'm going to have to accept that. There isn't a day that
goes by when I don't wish I could let her run up to every dog on the
street like I used to with all my other dogs. I used to love taking
my other dogs to an off-leash park, but I can't do that with Cubbe."
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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I need help deciding if I have a real problem with
Cubbe that needs immediate attention or if I'm
imagining trouble where there is none.
Here's what happened last April the way I described
it to a friend at the time:
I'm worried about Cubbe. Or rather, I'm kicking
myself for doing something stupid. Ellie has been
over many times and has always gotten along great
with Cubbe. Cubbe is always at the door when I let
Ellie in.
She's barky-protective but then stops barking once
Ellie is inside. She's never shown any real
aggression. The other night Ellie and I went out
together to run an errand.
Ellie was coming in the house with packages so
I came in first and put Cubbe in the bedroom with
Jim so Ellie could get through the door more easily.
I could hear Cubbe barking. Once Ellie was inside,
I opened the bedroom door for Cubbe. She ran out
to attack the intruder.
Ellie was trying to be friendly.
Ellie put a tooth in Ellie's finger. Granted the resulting
scratch was no worse than the way my cuticles bleed
when they get dry and I don't rub lotion into them every
night, but Ellie was understandably scared.
Jim ran out and got control of Cubbe right away.
I got Ellie some alcohol and a bandage. The scary
thing is that, even though the damage is minor, it
does qualify as a bite since Cubbe did mean to do it.
I guess I should just learn from it and never let
Cubbe greet someone like that again, but I'm
horribly torn up.
I've said that I would never keep an aggressive
dog. Now the whole issue is so complicated.
Cubbe is great even with kids when we meet
them in the neighborhood.
Since then I've been careful not to do anything like that.
Then Halloween night Cubbe spent most of the
night in the computer room with Jim while I answered
the door. She did bark each time she heard the
doorbell ring. We did nothing to discourage that.
We want her to be barky protective so
it made sense for her to bark when she
heard people in the neighborhood, especially
at night. Later in the evening, Jim put Cubbe
on a leash and was hanging out with her in the
front hall while I still got the door. One of the first
people to come to the door once she was out of the
computer room was our neighbor Nicky.
I think Nicky is 11 now. He's known Cubbe since
we got her 4 years ago, has always liked her, petted
her and asked to come on walks. Nick lifted his mask
on the ****ch so I'd know who it was.
Then I invited him into the hall to pet Cubbe.
Cubbe snarled and sort of air snapped at him.
Of course Jim was right there so no damage was
done. Nick didn't even have to draw his hand away,
and he didn't get scared.
Nothing scares that boy.
I don't like this. Twice now Cubbe has been overly
protective-aggressive when people have entered the
house.
Both times they've been people she knows and
should like. She's wonderfully nice to people on
walks. We don't have guests over too often so
I can't comment if it's a growing thing or not.
Comments please. Is this a major growing
aggression problem?
I'd guess it's territoriality about the house and yard.
What do I do about it?
I usually put Cubbe on a leash when friends come over
and then walk her outside while the friend gets out of
her car, and then we walk in together.
She'll still bark when they're in the house and then
calm down. Is that a good idea? Should I be
doing something more to make sure this doesn't
escalate?
--Lia
----------------------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
AND LIKE THIS:
From: Julia Altshuler (jaltshu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Cubbe re****t: Chief
Date: 2003-09-12 21:04:11 PST
Chief if my neighbor Jo's 40# 1 1/2 year old Sheltie.
Jim has been running into them on his morning walks
with Cubbe. For a week he's been feeding me glowing
re****ts about how Cubbe is terrific with Chief.
Cubbe has never been particularly wonderful with any
other dog, so terrible in fact that I'd despaired at ever
seeing Cubbe frolic and play with other dogs.
I'd resigned myself to the idea that Cubbe is happy
with her people, her yard, her squirrels, her spot on
the couch, and that makes a pretty good life, one
that doesn't involve the companion****p of her own
species. Jim's re****ts were encouraging.
Jim convinced Jo to bring Chief over for a playdate.
We put Cubbe on a leash so she could meet Chief
again on neutral territory. They sniffed as dogs
normally do.
Chief and Cubbe entered the front door. To my
amazement, all was fine. Out in the backyard
and off leash, Cubbe didn't pay much attention
to Chief, but there was no trouble even though
she and Chief were close to each other.
Both dogs seemed more interested that their
people were handing out treats (for good behaviors
like SITs).
Jim went into the house for some balls thinking the 2
dogs would like to chase them together. He did not
consult me about this hare brained scheme.
Jo and I were 5 feet away from the dogs when Cubbe
decided to attack Chief. She's not an experienced
fighter so I don't know if attack is the right word. She
was snarfing, making growly noises, jumping on Chief,
had her mouth on Chief's neck (on his back, behind his
ears) and basically not looking friendly, but I think if she'd
wanted to do real damage, she would have, and Chief
was fine, nary a hair out of place.
Naturally with us all right there, we were able to
intervene in seconds.
A second later, it was all over. Cubbe looked like she'd
like to be friends again, but Chief, while not running away
or anything was obviously spooked and keeping his distance.
Jo and Chief went home. (I went with them for chat and
apologies, but that's not part of the Cubbe story.)
Cubbe has never food or toy guarded with people.
Might she have been guarding the balls Jim brought
out? Or was it the fact that we let our guard down for
a few seconds and she got scared of Chief when we
all weren't practically on top of her?
Or did we push her too far by leaving her and
Chief together for too many minutes when a
few seconds would have been better for a first try?
Or other theories?
Do we continue trying to find a dog that will put up with
Cubbe? Or do we give up again and go back to letting
Cubbe live a dogless existence?
--Lia
===================
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
AND LIKE THIS:
Here's liea's latest encHOWENTER of her
dog Cubbe ATTACKIN innocent children:
HOWEDY liea you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal abusin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life long incurable mental case,
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Suja wrote:
>>
>> Same here.
Seems suja's had her share of FEAR AGGRESSIVE DOGS.
>> Someone at the dog park who has Basenjis was playing
>> with one, and accidentally got nailed on his hand.
SHAAAZZZAAAMMM???
>> Since it was a puncture wound and bleeding profusely,
That's GOOD. Punctures seldom bleed
enough to prevent infection.
>> he went to the ER.
That's SHEER IDIOCY. All you gotta do with a dog
bite puncture wound is make it BLEED ALOT and
keep it CLEAN and OPEN to the air so's it'll heel.
The HOWEspitals like to bandage and stitch them,
which causes them to INFECT. And a tetnus shot
is IDOCY if the wound BLEEDS and is OPEN
as tetnus is a ANAROBIC DIS-EASE <{}: ~ ( >
>> He told them what happened, and
>> they called animal control.
Naaaah?
>> He had to quarantine his own dog, although everyone
>> knew full well that this was just an accident,
That's ABSURD. Dogs DON'T BITE by ACCIDENT.
ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR.
ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
>> and the dog was certainly UTD on all his vaccines.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA!!!
Giving vaccinations accordin to current veterinary
malpractice guidelines may CAUSE dogs to have
NO IMMUNITY.
>> When the same thing happened to another friend,
SHAAAZZZAAAMMM???
>> he told the ER folks that he messed up while doing
>> some work, and a nail got him. They knew it wasn't
>> a nail that got him,
Yeah? Are they PSYCHICS?
>> but didn't say anything.
Oh, they was DEAF MUTES?
> I've recently changed my mind
That's a GOOD THING, liea. Your old mind was for ****.
Hey liea? Didn't you momma teach you to say
'HOWEDY!" when talkin to folks or was you
raised by a ignorameHOWES like yourself <{}: ~ ( >
"The fruit don't fall far from the fruitcake,"
The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{}: ~ ) >
> on the rightness or wrongness
Oooops! PERHAPS you shoulda kept that old mind, eh liea?
You KNOW you've ALWAYS HAD PROBLEMS knowin
RIGHT from WRONG. THAT'S HOWE COME you're a
MENTAL CASE, remember, liea?
> of these laws.
SomeWON should make a LAW protecting J.Q. Pubic
from viciHOWES lyin animal abusin ignoreameHOWESES
like yourself, liea <{}: ~ ( >
> I used to think that it was wrong for the Law (by
> Law I mean the folks in the hospital ER, animal
> control, etc.) to punish a dog when person with
> the bite knew the dog had a rabies shot,
"PUNISH", liea? NO WON wants to PUNISH dogs
for biting. HOWEver, so long as you're MHOWENTING
your moral high horse, perhaps The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child,
*****, Birdy And Horsey Wizard will be a GENTLEMAN
an offer you a leg up, eh, liea?
> knew the bite was an accident,
There AIN'T NO SUCH THING
as a ACCIDENTAL bite, liea.
> and so on.
You're a dog abusin mental case, liea. What's your point?
> I could understand that a dog owner would lie
Naaaah?
> to protect his dog from the unfair punishment.
WHAAAT "PUNISHMENT", liea? You think bein
CONfined to a leash for ten days is PUNISHMENT?
Naaah. THAT AIN'T PUNISHMENT, liea. NOT
UNLESS you're jerkin an chokin IT on your PRONGED
SPIKED PINCH CHOKE collar.
> I've thought about it further and changed my mind.
You mean you changed your mind abHOWET
punishment, liea?
Or do you mean you changed your mind abHOWET
RIGHT an WRONG, liea? Sometimes it's difficult
for the SIMPLE Puppy Wizard to follow your
philosophical thinkin when you're up on your moral
high horse, like that talk abHOWET rape a while ago.
> If the punishment was something along the lines of
> "we have to put down (kill) any dog that bites
You mean like paul e. schone's RESCUE dog Muttley?
> even if you understand the cir***stances
You mean like the two occasions IN janet's OBEDIENCE
CLASS when paulie was INSTRUCTED to JERK an
CHOKE Muttley to TEACH IT RESPECT for his G-D
like AUTHORITY, and Muttley WENT INSANE with
FEAR, liea?
And like HOWE every time your own FEAR
AGGRESSIVE dog Cubbe attacked he was
attackin someWON inside her SHOCK ZONE
or you was JERKIN an CHOKIN IT on your
PRONGED SPIKED PINCH CHOKE COLLAR
JUST LIKE HOWE paulie done when his
RESCUE dog Muttley GOT SCARED an
ATTACKED.
> and there's nothing you can do about it,"
Oh, you mean when dog lovers like yourselves finally
CONvince the legislatures that Pit Bull dogs are BAD?
> then sure it makes sense to lie to protect your dog.
Oh, you mean like when it's O.K. to STEAL a neighbor's
dog on accHOWENTA you don't like HOWE they're
keepin IT, liea, as booby maida and babbette haggerty
and judith althouse recommend us to do, liea?
> But a quarantine isn't a terrible punishment.
Naaah? Hey liea? It MIGHT be a TERRIBLE
PUNISHMENT if your dog ESCAPES your
SURRHOWEND SHOCK SYSTEM and
attacks a neighbor's kid, or worse, gets into
the yard with the Rottweiller and won't come
back to you again, eh, liea?
THEN the cops would SHOOT YOUR DOG for you
UNLESS diddler or lois edwards BEAT THEM TO
THE PUNCH, eh?
> It's 2 weeks of not going off the owner's
> property or not being off a leash.
There's no need for a dog to be off leash UNLESS,
like your own dog Cubbe, they got a HISTORY of
ESCAPIN your SHOCK CON-TRAINED HOWES.
> Cubbe got one.
Naaah? You never mentioned THAT when your
fear aggressive dog Cubbe ATTACKED your only
friend Ellie. In fact, you never mentioned she went
to the HOWEspital either, liea.
> I don't even think she broke the kid's skin and
> as far as I'm concerned,
You mean you didn't LOOK, liea? What'd you do, run
HOWET on them like HOWE "news dog's" handler done?
> it was the kid's own fault.
But of curse, liea. What'd he do, stand in Cubbe's
SHOCK ZONE like them other two kids and your
only friend Ellie done?
> We'd said he could pet the dog
You mean your FEAR AGGRESSIVE dog Cubbe, liea?
Hey liea? You remember when you first started
OBEDIENCE TRAININ IT, and IT began to
TURN ON YOU for HURTIN her on your
PRONGED SPIKED PINCH CHOKE COLLAR?
> and gave instructions on how to do so properly.
Oh, you mean to offer IT a cookie an let IT smell the
back of your hand, offered from UNDERNEATH,
like a CHIN CHUCK, so the dog don't think you're
fixin to STRIKE IT liea?
Perhaps you can EXXXPLAIN again HOWE a
CHIN CHUCK AIN'T HITTIN THE DOG, liea,
and HOWE IT IS that a dog bein CHIN CHUCKED
don't KNOW it's the lyin dog abusin mental case with
the HANDS who HIT HIM?
> The kid promptly disobeyed every instruction.
Oh, you mean he went up to IT an sez 'HOWEDY' an
SCARED your FEAR AGGRESSIVE dog Cubbe?
> Cubbe got scared and gave a brief snap.
Naaah? She got a BAD HABIT of ATTACKIN
innocent defenseless critters, like that 12 year
old dog Chief, DHOWEN the street?
Hey liea? HOWE did you manage to get your neighbor
with the barkin Pit Bull to GET RID OF HER DOG?
Did you have to call animal CON-TROLL on her very
often?
> I'd have given the kid a kiss,
That'd be the kiss of death, eh, liea?
> a band-aid
You mean for the BITE he DIDN'T GET, liea?
> and lesson on listening to instructions,
You mean YOUR instructions, liea? Even a CHILD
knows you're a pathetic miserable stinkin lyin dog
an child abusin imbecile <{}: ~ ( >
> but the parents took him to the emergency
> room which got the Law involved.
"I don't even think she broke the kid's skin".
Perhaps you're in DENIAL, eh, liea?
> At the time, we were terrified that Cubbe would be killed.
Seems it was YOU who WANTED TO KILL HER, liea.
> We were white with fear for every part of the process.
Well that's NORMAL for a NATURAL BORN COWARD.
NHOWE you know HOWE your neighbor with the Pit
Bull felt when YOU MADE HER GET RID OF HER
DOGS on accHOWENTA THEY SCARED YOU.
> That involved going to the hospital with her rabies
> certificate (they thanked us for being so prompt),
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> going to the police station for a dog-bite re****t
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> (the officer treated it like some stupid paperwork
Naaaah?
> and reassured us that we had nothing to worry about),
Yeah, it ain't HIS dog the Doggy Nazis will come after.
> letting the city's rabies inspector (the vet in town
> that we don't use) look at Cubbe (that's literally
> take her to his office where he looked at her,
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> didn't touch her,
Of curse not. She COULD BE INFECTED with RABIES.
> and humorously called her the troublemaker)
> twice, once right away and again 10 days later.
Oh THAT'S on accHOWENTA she's ALWAYS BEEN
UN-CON-TROLLABLE at the vets, REMEMBER, liea?
IN FACT, your own FEAR AGGRESSIVE dog Cubbe
ATTACKED YOUR VETERINARIAN, remember
NHOWE, liea?
> During the 10 days she had to be on a leash when
> she left our property, something we do anyway.
Do you use a standard or CUSTOM MADE PRONGED
SPIKED PINCH CHOKE COLLAR, like janet SOLD
paulie an Muttley, liea?
> Like I said,
Not to be the grammar police, but it's like 'AS I SEZ', liea,
you pathetic university educaded IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >.
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> at the time we were railing against the stupid laws.
That so, liea?
> Thinking about it in retrospect,
You mean like HOWE when you think of as a
kid, goin to school in the little school bus, liea?
> I don't think the laws are overboard.
That's kindly of you, liea.
> I started to understand how serious rabies really is.
Rabies is only seriHOWES if you're a ignorameHOWES
an get yourself ATTACKED by a infected critter or pick
up sumpthin you shouldn't be touchin, liea.
> Sure it's unlikely that the kid was going to get
> rabies from that snap,
Your dog Cubbe MURDERS innocent defenseless
dumb wild critters, REMEMBER, liea?
> but given the fact that untreated rabies means DEATH,
> certain DEATH, certain horrible, preventable, DEATH,
> I relaxed my outrage.
Oh, so you let your FEAR CON-TROLL
your MIND, eh, liea?
> Yeah, we went to some trouble and some paperwork
> and a quarantine. Yeah, I wish the kid's parents taught
> their kids some manners.
Oh? Did the kid BITE the DOG, liea?
> (It's gotten to where no one in the neighborhood
> wants anything to do with them.
That so? Does their ill mannered KID attack very
often, like HOWE YOUR OWN FEAR AGGRESSIVE
HOWETA CON-TROLL dog Cubbe has done ON
THREE OCCASIONS with people and WON with
your vet and at least WON with the old dog DHOWEN
the street, liea?
That's like FIVE BITES your own FEAR AGGRESSIVE
DOG Cubbe has done on INNOCENT DEFENSELESS
PEOPLE, not countin the DOG she attacked and probably
a few others you ain't mentioned.
BY ANY STANDARDS CUBBE SHOUL DIE.
UNLESS she's a POLICE DOG attackin HOODLUM KIDS
and a HOWEsbreaker personal friend and a HOWEstile vet.
Let's talk abHOWET the LAW in your
city regardin DOG BITES, liea?
> They're too out of control and spoiled, won't listen
> to anyone, goes way beyond manners with dogs.)
Shameful, eh, liea?
> Now we tell kids and parents that we're
> sorry but that they can't pet this dog.
You mean on accHOWENTA WON BAD APPLE
ruinin all the FUN for everyWON else, liea? That's
just what the Pit Bull people worry abHOWET, liea.
WON BAD EXXXAMPLE like Cubbe gettin their
fear aggressive Pit Bulls taken away from them by
the Doggy Nazis <{}: ~ ( >
> The other day I relaxed the rule
You mean you CHANGED YOUR MIND AGAIN, liea?
> and let the neighbors' kid (the neighbors
> I do like) pet Cubbe.
PERHAPS your FEAR AGGRESSIVE dog Cubbe
ATTACKED the child on accHOWENTA she KNEW
you didn't LIKE him, liea?
> All went well.
You mean you GOT LUCKY, liea?
> I'd say it makes sense to the tell the folks in the
> emergency room the truth about injuries
Hey assHOWEL? Wouldn't it make MOORE sense
to TELL THE KID your dog ATTACKS CHILDREN?
> even where there's a beloved dog involved.
You mean a dog you'd have to MURDER on accHOWENTA IT
ATTACKS innocent defenseless dumb critters on accHOWENTA
you JERK an CHOKE IT on your PRONGED SPIKED PINCH
CHOKE COLLAR an SHOCK IT, liea?
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"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:Eb-
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> Finn wrote:
>> We have a 7.5 month old Eurasier (male, now neutered)
>> who has become very aggressive toward me (his primary
>> caregiver). His attacks started with biting my feet right
>> after he was fed and are now not limited to that. He was
>> diagnosed by a veterinary behaviorist as having anxiety and
>> attention deficit with impulsivity and is now taking Prozac.
>> Unfortunately, while things improved for a short time, they
>> are now worse and we are at our wits end as we love him so
>> much but he is dangerous to live with. Please send any
>> information or advice you have as it relates to the Eurasier
>> breed and how we might handle this.
>
>> Kind regards.
>
> I'd never heard of the Eurasier breed before your post.
That's on accHOWENTA they're a DESIGNER breed
only recently accepted into the A.K.C. etc <{}: ~ ) >
UTILIZATION: Companion Dog
CLASSIFICATION F.C.I.: Group 5: Spitz and Primitive Types.
Group 5: Asiatic Spitz and related breeds.
Without Working Trial.
> I've now looked at a picture and know nothing more.
They're part CHOWE, like your own dog Cubbe
who GOT THE SAME PROBLEM.
> My comments, therefore, are general.
INDEED?
> You're asking for advice and information from a bunch
> of people who have never met you, never met your dog,
That's true <{}: ~ ) >
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HOWEver, some posters here might have a AGENDA <{}: ~ ( >
> never seen in person the behaviors you're describing.
That ain't true, liea. You've seen this behavior in your own dog.
> Giving advice about "biting" and "dangerous to live
> with" would be stupid under those cir***stances.
You mean "ADVICE" LIKE THIS?:
"Cubbe Got Out In The Neighborhood Leashless: It Was
Horrible! I Let Cubbe Out In The Backyard With Her Usual
ZAP Collar - The 10 Year Old Child Went To Give Cubbe
A Hug She Gave A Snarl-Snap. I don't even think she broke
the kid's skin and as far as I'm concerned, it was the kid's own
fault. Jim ran out and got control of Cubbe right away. I got
Ellie some alcohol and a bandage.
The scary thing is <SNIP IDIOCY and ABUSE>
> He's only 7.5 months old, so my first guess would be that
> the bites were normal untrained puppy behavior
Yeah, Vs fear aggression like your own dog got, eh, liea?
> and that he needs obedience training, but a veterinary
> behaviorist who has met your dog has said otherwise.
THAT was on accHOWENTA the veterinary behaviorist
AIN'T GOT NO METHOD to train this dog not to do that.
> I'd say either to go with the advice given by the expert who
> has seen your dog, or tell us why you don't trust that advice.
Oh, THAT'S EZ, liea: "Unfortunately, while things improved
for a short time, they are now worse and we are at our wits end
as we love him so much but he is dangerous to live with."
Does that give you a glimmer of a IDEA, liea?
> If you don't care for the advice of one expert, get another expert.
Like HOWE you done with your own
fear aggressive hyperactive dog Cubbe?
> Prozac is something that does help some dogs under some cir***stances,
Perhaps liea would like to CITE a few cases?
> but really, "attacks" are a problem that can't be helped on usenet.
That's INSANE, liea.
> --Lia
Hey liea? Remember when you used to post daily
and weekly WARNINGS to KILLFILE the only
poster who knows HOWE to TRAIN ALL dogs
and ALL BEHAVIORS NEARLY INSTANTLY
simply by DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY
PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE you pathetic
miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin mental
cases been doin it, liea?:
163 for author:jaltshu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"occasional post"
OT: occasional post-Broken rib-DOGS DON'T WORK CREDIT
.... I try to notify each new person who posts with the
following "occasional post" to help new people learn
to killfile faster and to waste less time in public argument.
I hope the following helps. ...
Jun 17 2002 by Julia Altshuler - 15 messages - 9 authors
OT: occasional post-this newsgroup-I'm outa here
And if you blocked the arguing, you'd see only a nice
helpful friendly group. Not only that, if you didn't post
messages like the one you just did, you wouldn't be
adding to the problem. --
Lia ...
Mar 12 2003 by Julia Altshuler - 55 messages - 20 authors
OT: occasional post-4 month old puppy still pees in her
box...help ...
I post this informational message occasionally. I try
to post it in answer to first posts by people who might
not be familiar with this newsgroup or anywhere else
it might be useful. This is rec.pets.dogs.behavior (rpdb). ..
Apr 25 2002 by Julia Altshuler - 14 messages - 5 authors
OT: occasional post-this newsgroup-Barking. Help please
John, Please don't answer him or copy his messages.
The rest of us have him killfiled and wouldn't know he
was there if you didn't.
Here's the canned message with more information: This message ...
Mar 14 2003 by Julia Altshuler - 10 messages - 7 authors
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From: abadabracadab...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(ABADABRACADABRAH)
Date: 17 Aug 2004 15:54:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Eggplant ! Eggplant! []
> Subject: Eggplant ! Eggplant! []
> From: Julia Altshuler jaltshu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: 8/17/04 11:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> Please, folks. Remember to label your posts when you're
> arguing with trolls. So many threads are troll arguments
> these days that I can't keep track of which ones to delete
> without reading. We either do or do not have new
> annoyances.
>
> Either way, label them with the [eggplant] tag.
> I'm quick to killfile everybody.
You're INSANE, liea.
>--Lia
HOWEDY liea,
> Subject: Re: house training problem [ninnyboy]
> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:57:02 GMT
> The dog groups have a newsgroup nut
You shock and jerk and choked your dog Cubbe till
she ATTACKED your only friend and tied to attack
a couple kids and did attack your neighbor's old
dog.
> who yells at everyone and never goes away.
You're a lying dog abusing MENTAL CASE, liea.
> Just ignore him, or put him in your killfile.
Perhaps you should bring back your occasional
daily and weekly warnings?
> That's what everyone else does.
That so? HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy
Wizard is the most pupular topic in the Whole
Wild World amongst dog lovers?
> Whatever you do, don't copy his messages.
You're a paranoid mental case, liea.
> That's a lot of bandwidth.
You're a DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASE, liea.
>--Lia
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: Julia Altshuler <jaltshu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 03:46:53 GMT
Subject: OT: occasional post-this newsgroup
He *is* nuts. Don't answer him.
--Lia
This message is posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior (r.p.d.b.)
regularly and occasionally to other newsgroups including
alt.animals.dog, rec.pets.dogs.rescue, alt.pets.dog, and
rec.pets.dogs.misc. These are unmoderated groups meaning
that no one checks the messages to make sure they're on-
topic, civil or sensible before they go through.
The purpose of this occasional posting is to give information
about the newsgroup so that discussion about the newsgroup
itself is cut down and discussion about dogs increases.
Like so many usenet groups, this group has people who
post annoyingly and constantly, people who post angry
and abusive messages, people who post to irritate others.
It's up to individuals to decide which posters bother them.
Here are some guidelines that many people follow to
make this newsgroup pleasant and informative:
1. Use your killfile. A killfile (or filter) makes invisible
posts by any particular person or with any particular words
in the subject line.
The posts are still there, but they don't show up on the
screen of the person using the killfile. Look at
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/killfilefaq.htm
for instructions.
2. Don't make more noise. The only thing more annoying
than a troll is an otherwise rational person arguing with or
about a troll.
That's known as feeding the trolls. Please don't feed the
trolls. It really is insane to attempt rational discussion with
the insane.
3. Want to exercise your right to free speech and argue
about or with trolls anyway? Put "ninnyboy" in the
subject line. That way the people who want to join the
fracas can, and those who don't can opt out by killfiling
"ninnyboy." If you don't do this, expect to be killfiled
yourself. [Jerry], with the brackets is also a recognized
signal.
4. Figured out that arguing with trolls is useless but
still want to talk about trolls by referring to them in
the third person? Put "ninnyboy" in the subject line
then too. That subject is boring too.
5. Trim quoted posts to include only the part you're
responding to. Quoting an entire long post in order to
respond to only a small piece of it is annoying. Again,
if you don't do this, expect to be killfiled.
6. Understand Candace. Candace is an automatic
program that answers troll posts automatically,
repetititively and relentlessly.
Most of us find these posts boring after a
short while and killfile it too.
That's O.K. You can't hurt its feelings.
7. Show no fear. Have a question or need to admit that
you've made errors in dog training in the past? This is
still a good place to come for (often contradictory) advice.
Use your own judgment to decide what advice to follow
and what not to. No harm can come to you even if people
vehemently disagree, call you names or repost your old
messages.
8. Label off-topic threads as "OT." A label helps people
decide what to read and what not to.
9. Check the F.A.Q. for answers to frequent non-
complicated questions.
10. Don't post pictures. This is not a binary newsgroup.
That's plain text only, no HTML, no attachments. If you'd
like, post a pointer to a website with pictures on it.
11. Don't crosspost. It's bad enough when someone posts
something dog related to all the groups having to do with
dogs. It's worse when totally unrelated groups get tossed
in the mix. Feel like you absolutely have to jump in on
something that's been crossposted to unrelated groups?
Erase the extraneous ones when you answer.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: Julia Altshuler <jaltshu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:53:18 GMT
Subject: OT - Should I bring back the occasional post?
The subject line says it all.
When I started posting the occasional post, the idea
was to help new people understand what's going on with
the annoyances on this newsgroup
I wanted to help them understand that anything they had
to say on the subject had been said before, wouldn't do
any long term good and would bore a bunch of people in
the short term. I stopped because I wasn't sure I was
accompli****ng my goal. Now I'm not so sure. I'm seeing
so many unmarked arguments with the annoyances.
Any opinions?
I'm not taking a vote, but I do care what the regulars think.
For new people, the occasional post is as follows. Do you
think that seeing it when you first started posting would
have helped?
Would it be more useful if it weren't so precise and wordy?
Maybe something shorter? I'm thinking it needs an update.
--Lia
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