HOWEDY Mike,
"Mike Franklin" <mkfrnkln@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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Jun 19, 5:25 pm, Kathleen <khhfmdeletet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Mike Franklin wrote:
> > Greetings, everybody! This is my first post to this newsgroup.
>
> > Holly, my 4 year old border collie, has recently started
> > doing what looks like submission peeing.
> > Her submission peeing increased dramatically when we moved
> > into a new house in April. Can a move cause this kind of behavior?
>
> > I'd appreciate any advice.
>
> First thing I'd do is take her (and a urine specimen) to the vet
> and make sure she doesn't have a urinary tract infection.
You MIGHT wanna ask kathleen what was her veterinarian's
diagnosis for her own dog's SUBMISSIVE URINATION?:
"My JRT is skittish around men, including my
husband, and he was never abused or neglected."
My JRT, Cooper (a two year-old neutered male), has a similar
problem, although only with my husband. Dad has to maintain
a very low-key, neutral, matter-of-fact demeanor around Cooper,
especially when he first gets home. Any hint of either exuberance
or gruffness is liable to turn on the waterworks. Babytalking in a
high squeaky voice guarantees a mess.
Another thing that seems to boost Cooper's confidence is
greeting Dad as a member of the three dog pack instead of
one-on-one.
Kathleen
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> Rule out the physical stuff before you start
> worrying about what's going on in her head.
Yeah, despite that the BEHAVIOR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
therefore IT CAN BE EXXXTINGUISHED NEARLY INSTANTLY
and the veterinarian AIN'T GOT NO CURE FOR IT <{}: ~ ( >
> Well, getting the specimen won't be difficult. :-/
Well, yeah, it will be, on accHOWENTA you can't mop
up the urine sample off of the ground.
> Thanks, Mike
Your newfHOWEND pal kathleen is a lyin slanding dog an
child abusin life-long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
MENTAL CASE, Mike, as I TOLD YOU EVERY dog lover
here has a PROVEN WRITTEN CASE HISTORY of LIES
ABUSE and INSANITY.
Well, Mike, it's time for your RETENTION ENEMA <{}: ~ ) >
Here's your newfHOWEND PATHETIC MISERABLE STINKIN
ROTTEN LYIN dog an child ABUSIN MENTAL CASE PAL kathleen:
HOWEDY kathleen,
"Kathleen" <khhfmdeletet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:9WR5j. 964$Aw4....@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> chm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> Has anyone used www.dogtravelcompany.net to book either
>> a flight or a vacation package? My husband and I want to go
>> on vacation with our 2 labs and just found this company.
>> They're the only company I've ever seen that
>> let's you fly with your dogs in the cabin.
INDEEDY! And you could certainly take advantage
of a nice arrangement like that when you hand deliver
your sister's puppy mill puppy to his new owner:
"In other news, I will be taking advantage of an
extraordinary op****tunity for travel. On January
18th I will be flying to Chicago to meet my sister
and our mom, and from there we will be heading
across the Atlantic to Spain.
My sister is delivering a Norwich terrier puppy of
her own breeding to a buyer living just outside of
Madrid, then we will embark upon a 9 day tour of
the country.
Wish us luck - I'm having a hard time imagining how
we're going to keep a 4 month-old puppy happy and
quiet during the 13 hour flight.
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That's EZ, kathleen. All you gotta do is learn
a little bit abHOWET doggy behavior <{}: ~ ) >
> A total rip-off.
That so?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who's own dog
CRIPPLED HISSELF tryin to ESCAPE you pupperty?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who COULDN'T
TRAIN her own horse and had to GET RID OF IT?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who's own
terrior won't murder a rat on accHOWENTA
he's AFRAID of them?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who's own
dog PISSES HISSELF when her darlin husband
comes into the HOWES?
And might you be the SAME kathleen who'd only
show pictures of your dog MURDERIN a innocent
defenseless dumb critter to like minded souls?
AS STATED in your own POSTED CASE HISTORY below?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who
SELLS CRAPOLA
on the web?:
Kathleen Hansen
715 Brickingham Drive
Saint Peters, Missouri 63376
kh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://webpages.charter.net/dhfm/ZControl.html
You know from personal EXXXPERIENCE HOWE
difficult it is to establish a REPUTATION as a
TRUSTWORTHY, legitimate business person when
startin a new business.
> Run away as fast as you can.
Perhaps we should wrap HOWER legs so's we don't
get abrasions on HOWER ankles in the scuffle like
HOWE your own ill trained fear aggressive hyperactive
HOWETA CON-TROLL dogs do?:
"Z-Control Skid Boots were born out of my frustration
with other methods of skid protection. Wrapping with
Vetwrap was tricky and time consuming, and was a
constant source of worry at busy tournaments...
"Only four races in between... Do I dare leave him
wrapped, or will his feet wind up swelling? And if I
DO leave the Vetwrap on him, will he shred it as
soon as I turn my back?"
There had to be a better way.
--------------------
And INDEED, there IS, kathleen!
If you LEARNED HOWE to pupperly wrap
legs and COULD LEARN HOWE to TRAIN
your hyperactive fear aggressive dogs to not
shred them off soon as you stop jerkin an
chokin an turn your back on them, you
WOULDN'T NEED your useless spam leg
protectors.
malinda has told us she sees such booties litterin
the Arctic tundra like discarded condoms.
Hey kathleen, have you ever heard of these terms?:
defamation
noun
1. a false accusation of an offense or a malicious misrepresentation
of someone's words or actions
2. an abusive attack on a person's character or good name [syn:
aspersion]
----------------
li·bel
noun, verb, -beled, -bel·ing or (especially British) -belled, -
bel·ling.
-noun 1. Law. a. defamation by written or printed words, pictures, or
in any
form other than by spoken words or gestures.
b. the act or crime of publi****ng it.
c. a formal written declaration or statement, as one containing
the allegations of a plaintiff or the grounds of a charge.
2. anything that is defamatory or that maliciously or
damagingly misrepresents.
-verb (used with object) 3. to publish a libel against.
4. to misrepresent damagingly.
5. to institute suit against by a libel, as in an admiralty court.
slan·der
-noun 1. defamation; calumny: rumors full of slander.
2. a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or re****t:
a slander against his good name.
3. Law. defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing,
pictures, etc.
-verb (used with object)
4. to utter slander against; defame.
-verb (used without object)
5. to utter or circulate slander.
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"My JRT is skittish around men, including my
husband, and he was never abused or neglected."
My JRT, Cooper (a two year-old neutered male), has a similar problem,
although only with my husband. Dad has to maintain a very low-key,
neutral, matter-of-fact demeanor around Cooper, especially when he
first gets home. Any hint of either exuberance or gruffness is liable
to
turn on the waterworks. Babytalking in a high squeaky voice
guarantees
a mess.
Another thing that seems to boost Cooper's confidence is
greeting Dad as a member of the three dog pack instead of
one-on-one.
Kathleen
--------------------------
That's curiHOWES. Submissive urination, like
FEAR of NOISES and ESCAPE behavior is
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
You can CURE submissive urination NEARLY
INSTANTLY if you know HOWE.
LIKE THIS:
From: Eric
To: jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: just checking in...
Jerry!
You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago regarding
submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you know he's doing
great- he was "cured" in about 2 days using your techniques!
He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"! Once I
stopped thinking like a human and got inside his head, I can
teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter of minutes. Makes me
look like an expert dog-trainer.
I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed 'em,
and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside their
heads and teach them to teach themselves how to be good dogs!
Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward
to working with these guys a couple times a day...
Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T",
I learned from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate
their brain rather than beating ass or pinching, or any
of that nonsense. I know damn well I would NOT be loyal
to someone who beat MY ass lol!
Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes out
there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs. A
horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in
training his horses- he calls it "natural horseman****p". He
is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he
repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows any
more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it (pun
intended)... Too cool....
Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work!
Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard
====================
I had a BC, a horrible escape artist who had learned to stick his
head
into the shadow box fencing and use it to lever to pry off boards so
he
could go bumming around the neighborhood. Obviously the canine
spine is not made to deal with this.
The docs at the ortho clinic did the dye test on the spine and called
me
with the news that it was most probably cancer - they said they were
about 85 percent sure. Said there was evidence of a mass well above
and
below the disks that were supposed to be ruptured. And that the
kindest
thing might be to not allow him to wake up from the anesthesia.
I was flabbergasted. Devastated. How could cancer have such a
sudden onset? And my own vet had been so certain that it was
trauma...
So I said "absolutely not" to immediate euthanasia. Told them to
proceed
with the surgery. Open him up and see what's in there. If it was the
disks, patch him up, and if it was cancer, just debulk the tumor, get
as
much of it out as possible to relieve his pain and buy him some time.
It was the disks. They'd ruptured with such violent force that the
squishy stuff inside had spurted all up and down the spinal canal -
that's what they'd been seeing on the dye test. It still makes me
sick
to my stomach to think about what would have happened if I'd been
willing to follow "expert advice" instead of my own instincts.
Connor had staples in his neck holding the incision closed.
12 days post op I took him to have them removed and the
incision just FELL OPEN.
Thank god it happened before we left the office. Healing was delayed
by the oral steroids he'd been given to try to relieve his pain prior
to
his consult at the ortho clinic. They re-stapled him and we returned
again in another 14 days. This time it stayed closed.
As I recall, I kept him crated for that first month, taking him
outside
in the yard on a belt that wrapped around his waist so as not to put
any
strain on his neck. He was so relieved not to be hurting anymore
that I
had to keep him confined to stop him from doinging around like a
maniac.
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Dogs are TERRORTORIAL critters by NATURE.
Dogs ONLY run away from their HOWESES when
they're ABUSED by ignorameHOWESES like yourself.
Coincidentally, horses train an handle JUST LIKE DOGS:
*For the regulars, my daughter was finally convinced that Luna, her
mustang, was never going to be a safe, fun horse to ride. After
months
and months of dedicated training she was still making frequent,
spirited
attempts to murder anyone sitting on her back. Albert is keeping
her,
though, and trying to get his hands on her brother so he can use them
as
a matched pair to pull a buckboard at next year's Chuckwagon Races.
Reno, her new horse, is a sweetheart.
-------------------------
culprit wrote:
> if you snapped a picture of your proud dog with
> his first kill, would you post a picture of it?
> someone at work posted a great pic of her JRT carrying a squirrel
> (nearly his size!) to the dog group there. she was very proud of
> him. a bunch of other people jumped in saying how horrid it was
> to post pix of dead animals.
> i don't think it's any different than posting a pic of a retriever
> with his first bird.
> what do you think? how would you react to something like that?
I wouldn't have a problem with it. But I know for a fact that
there a lot of folks who would. Personally, I'd only share a photo
like that with kindred souls.
I have a young JRT named Cooper who refuses to go to ground
at the local EarthDog Fun Days. He's scared of the rat in the cage.
I
suspect his phobia relates to an incident last year. We had an
invasion
of mice in the pantry. Lots of ruined food, and it reeked of
rodent.
I had to clean everything out,and purchase gnaw-proof packaging.
I also put baited traps on the pantry floor.
Now, I was in the next room, so I don't know exactly what
happened, but I heard the "snap" of one of the traps going off,
and then Cooper and both of the BCs came flying around the
corner, tuck-tailed, wild eyed and scrambling for purchase on
the Pergo.
I don't know which of them set the trap off, but it evidently
impressed the hell out of all three of them. And I think
Cooper associates the smell of rodents with nasty snappy things.
I'd like to see him be able to do the things his breed is
famous for,
and I've been told that the best way to "boost his confidence" would
be
to purchase a rodent and let him kill it. But I just can't do that.
Even though I eat meat, drink milk, wear leather and kill wild
rodents
with traps. Too many of my kids' friends keep vermin for pets, and I
can only imagine the reaction that my 4th grade son would get on
Monday
morning when the kids in his class share the interesting things they
did
over the weekend.
Unfortunately, personal philosphy aside, you have to
decide whether the end is worth putting up with Joan Q.
Public's reaction.
Kathleen Hansen
Z-Control Skid Boots
Leg armor for gonzo dogs!
http://webpages.charter.net/dhfm/ZControl.html
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From: Kathleen <khhfmdel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 06:18:47 -0600
Subject: Re: curious crate question
Sionnach wrote:
> "Kathleen" wrote:
>> Each of my dogs has his or her own crate. I never expect
>> them to share except for very brief periods....
>> They tend to be pretty territorial about their "bedrooms", and
>> I don't ever leave them unsupervised when I've got more than
>> one in a crate for fear of a brawl breaking out where nobody
>> can retreat.
> Interesting - that's the exact opposite of the way my guys look at it.
> Mine each have their own, although they're never used at home any
> more, only at trials. Bren and Morag were crated when I first had
> them, for their own safety, but neither has been in a crate in my house
> for years - in Bren's case, for nearly a decade. Rocsi was crated at
> home maybe twice when she was a puppy.
> We also crated the girls in the bedroom at my S.O.'s house for the
first
> couple of months after he got Lacey (also female) in March; that's long
> since been phased out.
> The main reason we crated my girls, incidentally, was that Rocsi kept
> trying to play with Lacey during the night, which didn't make for
peaceful
> sleep. Secondary reason being that Morag and Lacey were both a
> bit possessive of my S.O., which has since been sorted out.
> It was never much of an issue, though, since both he and
> I have clear "pack leader" status with all five dogs.
> At home during the day, they all three sleep together in my
> bedroom -which is the equivalent of being crated together -
> and I've never had a problem.
> We've also left four of the fivedogs alone in Bob's bedroom
> for several hours during the day, and again no problem.
> At trials and practices, I've never seen the slightest amount of
> territorial behaviour over who gets in which crate; I can crate any
> two of them or even all three together, and the only issue that arises
> is that Brenin will sometimes complain if one of the girls is touching
> him when he's not in a snuggling mood.
> Morag and Rocsi like sharing a crate, and often cuddle together.
> The only real reason I crate them seperately is to avoid snarfing
> of each other's food, and to simplify after-run rewards and swapping
> dogs between runs.
The only time I use the crates at home is if somebody's sick and
needs
to be confined, or if we've got guests with very young children (it's
the kids I don't trust, not the dogs), or if we've got workmen around
the place... In that case Scully has to be crated because she won't
stay out from underfoot, Cooper, because he forgets they're there and
has to sound the alarm every time he comes around the corner and
notices
them again, and Zane, because he freaks them out by lurking around
and
staring balefully with his wolfy yellow eyes.
At tournaments, though, their crates are their castles and they are
masters of their domains. I'm happy that they have a spot where they
feel safe when they need some alone time and a break from all the
excitement.
Kathleen
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You're FULL OF CRAP, kathleen. Your dogs are
fear aggressive and hyperactive and submissively
piss themselves an run HOWET on you on
accHOWENTA you're a PATHETIC MISERABLE
STINKIN LYIN dog child an horse abusin COWARD:
How in the world can you sit there and let her lick and
push at you for *an hour*? You really do need to consult
a trainer, I don't even know where to begin with this.
I have a one-word command that covers all sorts of
obnoxious behavior. "Quit!" It means quit licking me,
quit licking yourself,stop noodging, refrain from leaning,
cut out the begging, knock off harrassing the other dog.
And if the behavior doesn't stop I get up and do whatever
is necessary to stop it. Somebody goes off my lap, outside,
in their crate.
You need somebody to teach you how to teach the dog.
Kathleen
-----------------------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAAA~!~!~!
Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS?:
Newsgroups: alt.mountain-bike
From: Kathleen <khhfmdel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:45:50 -0600
Subject: Re: dogs?
Correct. It would be almost impossible to outrun (or outride)
anything larger than a schnauzer. And some dogs are like cops.
Very strong prey drive... If you flee they'll chase you. And
if they chase you, they'll probably catch you. And maybe bite
you, too, in all the excitement. Don't act like prey. (And
just be glad that dogs don't carry tasers.)
> If you don't need it as a barrier, raise the bike over your
> head to appear even larger. (This is assuming real danger,
> and not just a few little scrappers.)
That only works if you're facing wild dogs in the Australian
outback and you happen to be a little aboriginal boy. Use
your "wrath of mom" voice. A loud "AHHH AHHH!!!!
WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! GIT HOME RIGHT NOW,
BAD DOG!" works pretty well, and you can do that keep
the bike between you and the dog, and get hold of your
frame pump all at the same time.
> If no time for all that, a strong cleated foot to the mouth
> will usually shut the mutt up. (Should be the owner getting
> it, of course, but don't play around with getting bit.)
> Frame pump also handy.
Last resort. And make damned sure you connect if you kick
or take a swing at the dog, because even a lame-assed, half-
hearted feint of gesture will be read as "game on" by an
aggressive dog.
Aim for the snout.
Kathleen
------------------------
From: Kathleen <khhfmdel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:13:25 -0500
Subject: Re: It's happened again...
White Monkey wrote:
> I expect her attitude toward Walter might also change
> toward thinking of him as human once he says her name...
Probably not quite that soon. The ****ft for my dogs came when my
daughter was about 2 1/2. Old enough to walk steadily upright, good
voice control and rapidly improving hand/eye coordination. She'd
seen
me do it a million times, but the first time she faced down a pair of
charging BCs, raised her right hand palm out and snapped "SIT!"
I don't know was more surprised, my daughter or the dogs, whose
butts had automatically dropped to the floor.
He has started saying, "DAGA!" when we see
> dogs, sometimes, so I think he means "doggie" but won't swear to it yet.
I think that's probably what he means. That's how both of my kids
started off saying "dog". And then I noticed that when we were
playing word games, or looking at pictures, when I pronounced
"dog" emphatically, there was a distinct expulsion of breath behind
the hard "g" sound. "DOG(uh)". The kids were mimicking
exactly what they were hearing.
Kathleen
Putting the wastebaskets out of reach is one of the most elementary
dogproofing steps. If your parents won't shut the doors, would they
maybe agree to setting the wastebasket(s) up on the counter, or the
back of the toilet tank, or on the dresser top?
Yeah, maybe the dog ought to learn to stay out of them, but I
prefer to pick my battles, and just closing the doors made it a
non-issue for my dogs.
If it's any consolation all of mine seemed to outgrow their trash
fetish. I can't remember the last time I saw anybody running
around wearing a wastebasket lid like a necklace.
Kathleen
I would say it's fine *but* keep an eye on the situation and make
sure
the dog understands that sharing space with the baby is a privilege
and
not a right.
Our BCs were allowed to lie on the baby's blanket with her,
although I had to draw a line when I caught Molly rolling the
baby over with her nose to make more space.
She tended to treat the baby as a cross between a large, bald,
pink puppy, and an automatic yogurt dispenser. That dog
could hear a wet burp from across the house and would come
on the run to clean her up.
My daughter said "dog" before she said "mama".
Kathleen
----------------------------
From: Kathleen <khhfmdel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:01:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Nervous Jack Russel?
William wrote:
<snip>
> A recent tactic we're using is for me to greet
> him in the garden, but he still does his little rain
> dance when my wife's there with me. He
> doesn't rain on her parade, or on the kid's either,
> but he always rains on mine. I'd hate to think I
> make him nervous.
Of course you make him nervous. He has a guilty conscience.
He knows you're the alpha in the household, and he's appeasing
you with a submissive display all the while plotting to overthrow
you in a major coupe. ;-)
"Viva la revoluccione!" says Cooper, AKA Wee Man
(and not just for his stature, either)
Kathleen
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: Kathleen <khhfmdel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
On a more basic level, we use clicker training
to teach focus - the dog is rewarded for watching the
handler's face in anticipation of the next command.
I also used clicker training to shape and reinforce
Cooper's flyball box turn and am currently using it
to teach him to stand still and straight for measurement -
he's a height dog and must submit to handling and
manipulation by a stranger.
That's going a little more slowly since it really
runs against the grain for his personality, but
we're making steady progress.
Kathleen
BWEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAAA!!!
THAT'S HOWE COME HE'S FEAR AGGRESSIVE. YOU CON-TROLL
HIS BEHAVIOR AND SO HE CAN'T LEARN SELF CON-TROLL.
LIKE THIS:
From: Kathleen <khhfmdel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:29:51 -0500
Subject: Re: My Rottie is a bummer
Melanie L Chang wrote:
> I have an a dog who is fear aggressive. He cannot be loose
> around strangers. Trust me, a dog who is generally aggressive
> is a big responsibility and probably not one that you want.
I have a BC who is just weird. It's much easier to list
the things that *don't* freak him out than to list the
things that do.
<SNIP>
Kathleen
-------------------------------
UNSKILLED AND UNAWARE OF IT:
HOW DIFFICULTIES IN RECOGNIZING
ONE'S OWN INCOMPETENCE
LEAD TO INFLATED SELF-*****SMENTS
Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the
bottom quartile... grossly overestimated their test performance and
ability. Although their test scores put them in the 12th percentile,
they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
http://www.apa.org/journals/fe-atures/psp7761121.pdf
- Never attribute to malice that which can be
adequately explained by stupidity.
- Sufficiently advanced incompetence is
indistinguishable from malice.
- Insufficiently advanced malice is indistinguishable
from incompetence.
==============
From: "Ms. Mick" <m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
"The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:rQpW8.66560
> It'd take fifteen minutes to train this dog to
> come to EVERY member of the family if you knew
> HOWE, Master Of Deception blankman.
Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using
Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same
problem as the original poster has with Buzz.
One day working with the family pack exercise
and practicing the recall command with the family
and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter
instead of needing me to reassure her or even
refusing to go with anyone but me.
I really urge you, regardless of the negative
things you might hear about Jerry & Wits' End
here, to try the method and *judge the results
for yourself*.
Let's see what other areas she's improved in...
always comes when called, not chewing stuff even
if we leave it laying around, "re"housebroken after
long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash, doesn't
try to steal food from our plates or beg... probably
a few more things I'm forgetting to mention.
That's in about a week's time.
Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought
her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive
(except with her area/toys where she was possessive
and nippy). She had been abused and beaten by previous
owners, then she was in a shelter for months. They
(most of them) wanted to give up and kill her
Now she's gained confidence and trust with us.
Last night was another big breakthrough (in my eyes).
She barked! Big deal, she barked just once when she
heard the front door. Great!
Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about
Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled from
other sources. In my opinion, even if it is, it
takes only the good stuff and leaves out the bad.
Works for me.
(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know
Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant
messaged him.
I have not bought a "Doggy Do Right".
He's offered help for free.)
M.
From: "Ms. Mick" <m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
"michael" <c...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:
3D2BD729.12A6E...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Tell me, Ms Mick, what's Jerry paying you to
> be a paid ****ll? I want you to be a paid ****ll
> for dogtv.com networks from now on. I'll double
> what Howe's giving you, and then add on 50% MOORE
> as a bonus. Is it a deal?
Ooh.. $0 + 50%, what a dream! :)
To the other posters, just what exactly is
plagiarized in the Wits' End manual? I'll
get whatever book you claim the material to
be from to check it out. You prove it to me.
I don't have the problem training this dog
(using the Wits' End manual).. seems everyone
else is having the problems with their dogs.
People ***** that I'm not giving advice, then
***** again because they disagree when I do.
I don't care. All I know is that my dog is
doing well.
When I said "culled" I meant that what I consider
bad methods are left out. I've already stated that
I think choke/pinch/shock collars, crates, food
bribes, and other punishments are unnecessary.
If a book recommends them,it either goes in the
trash or back to the store. I've given up on dog
training books. I'm not going to devote time reading
books that go against what I'd do to train a dog.
I don't care if the authors are "experts" or not.
Some people here have said, "I thought I'd never
do X either until..." or that there is value in
all tools. Uhm... I'm sorry. A shock collar, for
one example, has no positive value whatsoever. If
you think it does, you wear one for a day and let
somebody "correct" you for whatever they like.
At the end of the day you'd probably want to slap
that person silly. I'm not willing to compromise
my views. I will *never* use those methods.
I've taken back book after book because it claims
to be compassionate or non-force. I open the book
and it's a lie. Last book I glanced at was "Good
Owners, Great Dogs". First page I flipped to was
a picture showing how to teach sit by jerking a
choke collar while pu****ng down the dog's back
end. Lots of pictures showing how to jerk that
leash... *sigh*
Oh, and I once upon a time I thought I was safe
buying that book by Monks. Monks! Sadistic
bastards who *hit* and jerked dogs into submission.
This is not my first dog. I've had dogs in the
past and not used any formal training methods with
them, just my normal belief that all dogs can be good
dogs with positive feedback and without punishment.
It always worked.After my last dog died (about 10
years ago) I didn't get another. I've wanted to
during this time, but I had a divorce, a child,
and other things that took most of my time. For
the past three years I've really missed having a
dog around. So, on my birthday, my husband said,
"Let's go to the shelter." I actually found her
on petfinder.com first.
My current dog needed me to come along or she
would be dead now. I'm not exaggerating, the
vet at the shelter wanted to kill her the day
we brought her home. Why? Because she was a
behavioral nightmare for them.
People wouldn't look twice at her after she
snarled at them and warned them to get away
from her cage. They couldn't look past the
tearing up garbage, fear, abuse, and
housebreaking problems that were listed in
her bio.
We had filled out the paperwork to adopt her
on Saturday, and they stretched the waiting
period out from 24 hours until Tuesday. Why?
Because the vet didn't want to take a chance
on her and wanted to kill her! I think he was
hoping that the long wait would make us give up,
but all it did was encourage us to visit her
every day, take her for walks, and bring her
stuff from "home". Luckily, one of the dog
handlers there was sane and stood by us when
we went there on that Tuesday and demanded that
they let us take her home. She's recovering now
and getting better by the day.
I can't have a dog that pulls on a leash or jumps on
me or anything like that. I'm disabled from a car
accident 15 years ago. I can walk (slowly) and all
that, but lack the balance and strength to survive
a dog dragging me around on a leash or knocking me
over. I'd never be able to catch her if
she decided to run away.
I *need* a well-behaved dog. If my dog wanted
to, she'd have me on my butt in two seconds. I
don't have that problem though.
So excuse me if I come here and get upset when I
read a bunch of posts giving "advice" to "train"
dogs by the "experts" that'll make the dogs just
as messed up as mine was when I first met her.
(She had such fear that everything she did was
going to mean being hit or her paws squeezed or
be locked up that she would get ultra-submissive,
anxious and would pee all over.
She's a big enough dog (Rott/Shep. mix) that if
she would have decided to attack instead, she
could cause major damage. Lucky she was kept
in a cage/tied up, huh?) It tends to upset me
a bit, and all my niceness goes right out the window.
I mistakenly thought that these dog groups would be
a positive experience, but for the most part they've
just made me angry. "Dimpled Chad" has been polite
and helpful, but almost everyone else seems to have
a problem with me speaking my mind.
M.
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