HOWEDY lynne you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
animal murderin child abusin punk thug coward active
accute chronic life long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
mental case,
"Lynne" <unmonitored.email@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Hendrix is pretty much full grown. In fact, I think he needs to trim
down
> just a little a bit. We had a sedate Winter (I had pneumonia forever)
and
> have just started back to trail running and climbing, so I have no doubt
> he will. I thought y'all might enjoy seeing a few recent photos of my
> chocolate golden.
That's quite a color combination.
> Hendrix is the dog I always wanted,
INDEED?
Throw two "RESCUE" dogs and a hand picked selectively bred
pedigreed pup up against the wall and get yet a other, and viola,
"SHAAAZAAM~!~!~!", the fourth WON STICKS, eh??
SUCCESS AT LAST!
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> and he and Roxy get along superbly.
That so?
> He's even stopped eating everything in sight now, and sticks to his
food
> and playing with his toys.
Did you need a shock collar to get such success?:
Re: Electronic collars, was Re: Dog chewing up floors
"Rocky" <2d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> But I'd say use it knowing that it's not just a stim or a nick.
> What is it if it isn't "just a stim?" (Not sure what you mean by nick.)
A nick is a time-limited stim. Good e-collars provide the
option for a "tap on the shoulder" stim which lasts in the
hundredths of a second.
> It's a very low level of current that has absolutely no potential for
> internal or external tissue damage.
A friend trains with an e-collar, and helps others with its
proper usage, yet not in Schutzhund where he used colloquially
positive methods to put a level one title on the youngest dog
in his club.
I strapped his e-collar on my upper arm, a sensitive area. On
the nick, I didn't feel much until he turned it up past what
he uses on his dogs. On the regular stim, it was--at the
worst--uncomfortable, but certainly not painful. The
*anticipation* of being "shocked" was the worst part,
but such anticipation is a human idiosyncrasy.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
THAT'S INSANE. AIN'T IT.
> If he's in adolescence, it's not apparent (he turned 1 in early May).
You still got six months to go, lynne.
> Oh, and Hendrix was 50 lbs yesterday. The vet said
> he's perfect, but I already knew that.
AMAZING~!
Well, lynne, lets go directly to your posted case history
of hurtin intimidatin an murderin innocent defenseless
dumb critters an LYIN abHOWET IT, shall we?:
From The Annals Of Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences
Research Laboratory
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Date: 30 Dec 2006 06:00:32 -0800
Subject: Re: Do cats really hate dogs?
HOWEDY lynne (EXXXPLETIVE adjectives deleted),
"Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> on Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:37:19 GMT, toosh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> or is this topic beneath you to discuss?
You mean kats an dogs gettin along together?
> The topic is one I have quite a lot of experience with,
INDEEDY. You JUST GOT RID of a dog you couldn't
introduce to your kats DESPITE that he was O.K. with
kats at the barn he was sheltered at <{): ~ ( >
THEN you GOT RID OF his REPLACEMENT on
accHOWENTA he ATTACKED YOU for mishandlin
him.
> but *you* are beneath me to discuss it.
NO PROBLEMO! It's a NASTY job, but someWON gotta do it...
> <plonk>
HOWEDY lynne you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
animal an child abusin punk thug coward active acute
chronic long term incurable mental case,
Lynne wrote:
> reading RPDB via Google Groups with Howe's
> spewage everywhere is IMPOSSIBLE!
Oh? Oh, you mean like when HE CITES YOUR OWN POSTED
CASE HISTORY of HURTIN dogs kats and kids, lynne you pathetic
congenitally defective active acute chronic long term incurable mental
case?
LIKE THIS:
"Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Paula, my son has complex congenital heart disease.
Naaaaah?
Too bad you didn't know you had CONGENITAL DEFECTS
pryor to spawnin, eh lynne? You KNOW breedin genetically
defective stock is abhorrent to ETHICKAL dog lovers, JUST
THINK HOWE much WORSE that would be, for HUMANS?
> "See you" when I get back from Denver.
Have you had VonWillerbrand's DIS-EASE since birth, lynne?
AIN'T THAT CONGENITAL too, lynne? ETHICAL BREEDERS
DON'T BREED stock that got VWBD, do they?
> Blech.
Blech? Oh, that's your new screen name. Very nice choice.
It was difficult chosing which CASE HISTORY of yours to CITE FIRST,
so, we'll go for your TWO LAST DISMAL FAILURES returnin your last
two dogs to the shelters for behavior problems you caused and then
we'll take a look at your own congenitally defective children...
HERE'S HOWE COME you GOT RID of your last two dogs nearly
as soon as you brought them into your INSANE ASYLUM:
From: Lynne
Date: Sun, Oct 15 2006 8:27 am
Email: "Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
ugh. Curiosity got the best of me and I read that
crap on AOL. I feel dirty, and nauseous.
My unsolicited advice to all involved: ignore it. Ask yourself if
their opinions *really* matter to you. Besides, they'll find a new
carcass to gather 'round soon enough, bunch of vultures.
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Re: Houston, we have a problem - dogs & cats
I probably will talk to the GR rescue again about adopting,
once the sting wears off. I actually plan to call them
tomorrow to let them know the Lab didn't work out and why.
I called the gal from the GR rescue on the way home with
Bailey Friday to tell her I had found a dog and was very
excited. She was excited for me. Everyone at that rescue
has been great to deal with.
Thanks, everyone, for all the words of sup****t. I honestly
thought I might get flamed to hell and back for returning him.
I feel better, and do now believe I did the right thing.
I wasn't feeling that way yesterday at all.
I was also absolutely heartsick.
I was told he got along with cats, but I did not observe this myself.
Today I learned that the cats he has been around are barn cats and
they have never been indoors with him. I'm not convinced he had
any interaction with them at all, knowing barn cats. I guess I should
have been more specific?
I was clear that my cats are indoor cats and that one is a tiny kitten.
I also stated that we sleep in the bed with my dog and the cats. I'm
honestly not sure what else I could have said.
Obviously I should have asked more in depth questions.
Hindsite is a *****.
One of my primary requirements in a dog is one who has been around
cats and who is disinterested in them. I made this clear up front and
we discussed this in respect to Bailey. Bailey was extremely aggressive
towards them.
It scared me.
Bailey is now back at the rescue.
I cried the whole way back with him, because he is perfect
in every other way (really amazing, actually), but our cats
are as im****tant to us as are our dogs.
When I talked to the director of the rescue, she said she would
have beaten him for that behavior. That's not my style at all,
and I can't imagine that would be a good foundation for trusting,
secure relation****p for Bailey.
I feel like I failed him. My daughter hates me. It doesn't help
that her hamster died while she was on her trip and I had to tell
her tonight.
Oh, and I ate the $300 adoption fee. Despite that, I donated
some of the things I bought for Bailey to the rescue. We're
going to take a break from looking for a dog. I'm thinking
of going to the shelter and getting a mutt puppy instead of
an adult... at least any behavioral problems would be of my
own doing. Judging by how Roxy behaves, it's nothing I
couldn't live with.
*sigh*
--
Lynne
Subject: Briar
1From: Lynne
Date: Thurs, Nov 30 2006 6:38 pm
Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
We had a long afternoon with the behaviorist and learned
quite a lot. Unfortunately, Briar is not going to be staying
with us. The behaviorist identified several concerns.
She feels certain that Briar and I can work together since we
are working together so well already. She said it is obvious
he trusts me and is very attentive to me (he really is a good
boy). She is concerned, however, that he gives absolutely no
warning before going into attack mode--which he did twice today.
She is also concerned about his bite inhibition, or lack thereof,
based on my wounds.
She said she doesn't think he is dog aggressive, but that he was
definitely resource guarding pretty much everything (including me)
and not only with Roxy, but also with her, the cats, and my kids
to varying degrees.
She said careful management was very likely to be a long term
obligation, along with continued work. The work I don't mind,
because it's fun, but having a dog I may never be able to trust
isn't something I'm willing to do. So that's that.
At this point I'm done with rescue. I have a much better
understanding of what these rescue dogs might need, and
while I thought I'd be doing a good thing, I realize I'm just
not cut out for it. So I am going to get a puppy from a shelter
in the Spring next year or the year after and raise him or her
to be well socialized and well behaved who will hopefully
be as happy with our lifestyle as Roxy is.
Or maybe I won't.
Right now I'm psyched on a single dog household again.
Flame away. I'm numb.
--
Lynne
1From: Lynne
Date: Mon, Nov 20 2006 7:46 pm
Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject: Briar bit me. Twice
and it would have been more if I hadn't gotten a hold of him...
For the past few days I've been giving Roxy and Briar kibbles
as rewards side by side. I've been giving them simultaneously
since yesterday, instead of to Roxy first and then Briar. I've
seen absolutely no sign of problems, just two happy dogs
following commands for bites of kibble.
But tonight, Briar turned on Roxy and attacked her again.
I told him no, which usually stops him in his tracks, but not this
time. So I went to grab his collar and he turned on me, snarling
and growling. He bit me twice before I got him under control.
I got him by the collar, lifted his front legs at least a foot in the
air, and he was snarling and fighting to get at me. I tossed him
outside and shut the door. He continued snarling and lunged at
the glass a few times while I stood there.
Then he ran around the yard barking ferociously
for a good 2 minutes.
I don't know if this is my fault or not, for ru****ng things, but I
can't keep him now that I know he is willing to attack me. I
have to think it was in his nature anyway and I triggered it.
I'm just not willing to keep a dog who will attack people.
Myself, I can handle it, but my kids and their friends, other
people--no way. That's an unmanigeable situation for our lifestyle.
My daughter and I can't stop crying.
Damn. Two strikes.
This sucks.
When he's not in attack mode, he's the sweetest damn dog.
--
Lynne
"Every once in a while, the tables are turned and we get to share our
lives with an animal who takes care of their human." - Tara, rpdb
Subject: dog afraid of small children
1From: Lynne
Date: Tues, Oct 17 2006 4:41 pm
Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
the little Golden mix girl I am hoping to adopt is afraid of small
statured children according to her foster family. They don't know
why, but suspect (of course) that she was mistreated by young
children.
My kids are 11 and 16, but we do have friends with much younger
children that we will spend time with and so I will want to make
our new dog feel comfortable around little ones.
What is the best way to go about doing this? Is it just
a matter of gradual exposure to kind little ones?
Her reaction is to cower and try to get away from the children, BTW.
She has never been aggressive toward anyone. I imagine if she were
cornered she might fear bite, but hasn't yet. Naturally, I don't want to
ever put her in a situation where she will feel the need to do so.
--
"Lynne" lover of mutts and feral kitties
Subject: prong collar with dominant dog collar as a backup
1From: Lynne
Date: Tues, Oct 17 2006 9:41 am
Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
my dog is a puller and the dog I am likely to adopt has no leash
experience. After reading about prong collars here, I am considering
getting one for each of them so we can work on their leash manners.
I was just reading on http://www.leerburg.com/fit-prong.htm
about
using a dominant dog collar with a prong, as a safety backup.
I am confused, though.
The above page states:
"A perfect safety procedure is to use along with a prong is a
dominant dog collar I offer this advise to ALL those trainers
who use prong collars.
It is not unheard of (see the email below) for a mistake to happen
and a prong collar comes apart when you need it the most. By
having a dominant dog collar on the dog at the same time as the
prong this will never be a problem.
Simply attach the clip on the leash to both the prong
and the ring on the dominant dog collar."
But this page, http://www.leerburg.com/746.htm
states:
"What handlers should not do with these collar is jerk on the
[dominant dog] collar like you would with a prong collar.
That's not how the dominant dogs collars are intended to be used.
Jerking on a choke collar will cause
muscle damage to the dogs neck."
According to the first quote, when using the dominant dog
collar with the prong collar, they are attached to the same
leash. So wouldn't jerking on the leash to give a correction
with the prong collar be dangerous with the dominant dog
collar attached?
--
"Lynne" lover of mutts and feral kitties
Subject: prong collar with dominant dog collar as a backup
3From: Lynne
Date: Tues, Oct 17 2006 10:06 am
Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
shelly <she...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
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> Second, a back-up collar is recommended when using a prong collar,
because
> the links of the prong collar can pop apart. You
> can either attach the leash directly to a second collar, or you can use
a
> coupler to attach the two collars together, and attach the leash to the
> coupler ring. The second collar can be pretty much anything sturdy,
from
> a buckle collar to a martingale to a slip collar.
>
> It doesn't really matter, because it is just a back-up collar. (I
> personally like to use a loose martingale collar as a back-up,
> because it has the same basic design and mode of action as a prong
> collar, only sans prongs.)
Ah, okay. I didn't like that dominant dog collar idea.
> Thirdly, if you are going to use a prong collar, make sure it is fitted
> properly! It should sit high on the neck, behind the ears, and it
should
> be snug. Most of the prong collars I've seen out in the wild have been
> *way* too loose.
Will definitely fit it right. That's why I was on the
Leerburg sight--their photos are a great guide for fitting IMO.
> Fourthly, you should not be jerking on the prong collar! Let the dog
> self-correct when he hits the end of the lead.
This makes far more sense than jerking!
> Fifthly, I would not recommend walking the two dogs together
> until you get their leash manners sorted out. If you *do* walk
> them together, make sure to do it on two separate leashes, without a
> coupler linking the two dogs together.
I expect I will walk them seperately and together
at times, and definitely not on a coupler.
Thanks very much!
--
"Lynne" lover of mutts and feral kitties
Subject: The Monks of New Skete, The Art of Raising a Puppy
1From: Lynne
Date: Sun, Oct 15 2006 7:17 pm
Email: "Lynne" unmonitored.em...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
picked this book up in the discard bin at the library for a buck.
I am currently working with my 13 month old dog, who has the
basics mostly down. Is there anything in this book that will help
me with her, or is it strictly puppy specific? I plan to give it to a
friend who is getting a new puppy, but thought I might read it
first if it might help me.
2From: A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet
Date: Sun, Oct 15 2006 8:25 pm
HOWEDY lynne you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal murderin mental case,
Lynne wrote:
> I picked this book up in the discard bin at the library for a buck.
Ever WONder HOWE COME the library is THRHOWEIN
HOWET a valuable dog trainin book written by the most
highly respected drunken animal murderin pathetic con artist
frauds in the PUPPY MILL BUSINESS, lynne?
It's on accHOWENT of they're dog abusin mental cases, like yourself:
From The Annals Of Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences
Research Laboratory
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COLLEGE OF HARD KNOCKXXX
<{}: ~ ( >
Subject: training and trainers
1 From: Lynne
Date: Thurs, Oct 12 2006 4:59 pm
Email: "Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
I have been through a couple of training cl***** with past puppies
and dogs, and one thing that becomes very apparent is that some
people just don't work with their dogs between cl*****.
The Muttley thread has compelled me to remind my fellow
average dog owners on here that you can't blame the trainer
when you don't do your homework...
---------
LIKE THIS:
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
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"J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
========
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: Janet B <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:07:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Janet and AOL boards
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:31:29 -0400, "Paul E. Schoen"
<pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, clicked their heels and said:
>I was amazed that Janet was able to have Muttley obey her
>commands and heel without any more than a few moderate
>corrections. She even pointed out that this must mean that
>the problem was with the handler, and not with the dog.
Ok Paul, in fairness, you were not singled out. I work with a lot of
the dogs to show the owners that the dog can do it, and comment a
general "ok, now we know the dog gets it, let's work on the owners".
>I think his "vacant" look was really that of fear. Maybe Muttley feels
>comfortable pulling on his leash with his back to me because he trusts
>I am not going to hurt him.
I'm glad you're happy with your dog psychology Paul, but I'm not.
What exactly do you think I did to cause "fear"? I didn't feel that
Muttley was vacant while I was working with him. I was talking to
him, smiling at him and he gave eye contact.
>Maybe this was a factor, but it was not totally dark, and I had been
trying
>to get Muttley into the down position for probably a couple of minutes.
It just seemed like forever Paul. As soon as the last dog finished
the recall, I said "down your dogs" and walked to the left front of
the line (farthest from you) to start handing out homeworks. In
hindsight, I wish I had passed that off to my assistant and held
Muttley's leash myself. Unfortunately, that wouldn't change the fact
that a dog who reacts that way is a very worrisome animal.
>It should have been apparent that I was having trouble. I even
>remember saying that I would probably have problems with this,
> although I may have just been talking to myself, or Muttley.
>
>I think at least one instructor was distracted by passing out
>assignments, but that is only conjecture.
With all due respect Paul, talking to yourself doesn't help much.
Speaking up does. And yes, I was handing out assignments.
>Speaking of techniques, I also want to question the techniques that were
>being used to separate the dogs once they had begun fighting. Apparently
>the young woman whose dog was being attacked was trying to separate
>them at close proximity, and was bitten when she put her hand "into the
>meat grinder". I don't fault her for that, as she was probably not
>experienced, and nothing had been said about proper ways to handle
>the situation.
Wow - I'll include that in week 1 - how to jump into a dog fight! It
was a pretty unexpected situation, and one I have never had in cl*****
before.
>Janet said she was pulling on Muttley's leg, which I would consider
>risky and ineffective with a powerful dog. I don't know what the other
>instructor was doing. As I remember it, the leash was lying on the
>ground, and I grabbed it and pulled Muttley off.
I didn't touch Muttley, but my assistant managed to grab a hind leg.
At some point, you grab whatever you can and the dogs were spinning
in a circle and I had been unable to get the leash. Once his leg was
grabbed and he slowed, you were able to get hold of the leash.
Grabbing hindquarters in lieu of a leash is pretty much the safest
approach.
> It is not my intention to absolve myself of blame, as I readily accept
> my failures as Janet has indicated above, and I grieve every waking
> hour thatI have left with Muttley, that maybe I could have done
something
> differently and avoided this tragedy. However, she has chosen to reopen
> these festering wounds and seems to be rationalizing
> why she should not bear at least equal responsibility.
> Of course, she has her reputation andbusiness interests to protect.
> I am just fighting for my dog's life, balanced by my increased liability
> for having a dog now labeled unstable and vicious.
You brought this to a public forum Paul, and damned if I didn't
want to avoid pointing out shortcomings. It was a horrible night.
The lab puppy is doing well everywhere but the training location,
which we are going to address. I'm not going to do any more
explaining to you or the CBB transfers, as I've said it all a dozen
ways and it's the same old crap response.
But I have definitely learned that no good deed goes unpunished.
Sad.
The last time I offered free training from this site was to Nessa with
Bagel and Hanna. I stayed after class and worked with her on non-
class issues as well.
She had been contemplating getting rid of the dogs, but didn't.
I hope she's still doing well.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
WELL, THAT AIN'T EXXXACTLY TRUE EITHER.
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
Hello everyone:
If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.
I will add a bit more history later in this post.
Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.
The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
had the time to work with him much on that.
I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pu****ng his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.
Muttley took the op****tunity to attack a young black
male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.
That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.
When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
what should be done about Muttley.
She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.
She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.
"They can't all be saved".
<snip>
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
<snip>
If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience cl***** at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.
--------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
Here's janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON "student" paul:
#2 - 6/05/07
>> When I was training him under Janet's supervision
>> I was instructed to give it a ? firm yank as a correction.
> I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm
> yanks on a chain choke collar. I hate the things.
>
>> She was able to get his attention with
>> just a quick tug, but I had to yank on it
>> hard enough to lift him off his feet to get
>> him to respond. Looking back now, I think
>> it was based on his fear, which he had for
>> her (as an unknown), but not for me
>> (whom he had learned to trust).
> He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a
> confident trainer. Fear has no place in dog
> training, as I told you THEN.
> Janet
It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
of further punishment.
Sure, if it is administered very consistently
by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
so what remains is negative.
Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
from me without lunging for it. When you offered
it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
a fear behavior.
Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
to think on his own, but that's just my way of
doing things, and that's probably not going to
change much. He may never win an obedience
medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
of control, either.
Paul and Muttley
----------------
"I thought I was told that the way to get the dog to go
down was to make him sit and then step on the leash.
That was awkward and didn't seem to work.
I will confess that I only tried the "down" position
once or twice at home, and I also often used it
instead of "Off" when I wanted him to stop
jumping on me or elsewhere I didn't want him to be.
I had to give him corrections every few seconds,
and also just about kick him, to keep him at my
left side.
Muttley is really a very sweet and loving dog, but
he needs more socialization with other dogs. However,
it is very likely that I will have him put down in a week."
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
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THAT'S quite a SUCCESS STORY, ain't it, paulie?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Subject: Re: redirected aggression
Date: 4/11/07
"Janet Boss" <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:janet-730AB8.17321511042007@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
seems I have been dealing with this a bit lately.
Dog to dog and dog to person,, with dogs who are
obviously overstimulated by what's in front of them.
What's in front of them varies from people at the door
to dogs in their path or directly in their face. The dogs
in question all have very poor self control.
I have dog(s) with not-so-great-natural self control,
so it's something we constantly work on. We don't
have redirected stuff going on, because we have enough
obedience to avoid it.
While I know that's the big answer for the dogs in
question as well, I'm curious what things people have
found useful to redirect/focus/gain attention from
drivey dogs or just very distracted of over-the-top dogs.
We're having success with my recommendations, but I'm
always open to something novel that may be the hot ticket.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
You don't think paulie JERKED an CHOKED his dog
ENOUGH between lessons, lynne <{) : ~ ( >
From: osi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Michael Erskine)
Date: 12 Aug 2004 10:09:05 -0700
Subject: My GSD bit me.
The question:
I have a four year old male GSD. He growls at
me sometimes. When he growls at me he stares
me in the face and lays his ears back.
The New Skete books say that the dog should
not be allowed to do that. They suggest shaking
down the dog by grabing the dog on the sides of
his neck and picking him off his front feet, then
giving the dog the same sort of treatment the dog
would give another if it were challenging him.
Namely getting in the dogs face and letting the
dog know you are the alpha dog.
Well, my dog bit me clearly he felt that I was
not convincing enough or he bit me out of fear.
Anyone got ideas on what to do with this
dog that might help him to decide that he
wants to follow and that he has nothing to
fear from me?
Special aside from michael to The Amazing Puppy Wizard:
---------------- CAVEAT -------------------------
Now HOWE, you have had your say. Just shut up and
let these other people have a chance to say something
themselves. Your name calling and insults are not necessary.
I have all the information from you I need. I also have
my OWN mind and I need to make up MY OWN MIND.
I'm sorry but I am not one of your dogs, get it?
-------------------END CAVEAT
BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
> I am currently working with my 13 month old dog, who has the basics
mostly
> down.
That so?
From: dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman)
Date: 1999/05/12
Subject: Re: Should I correct my dog's growling?
While I was listening to the Miles Davis CD, "Kind Of Blue," and
drinking a little Booker's, on Wed, 12 May 1999 17:05:19 GMT,
canis55 <cani...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> It seems he's growling at you when "your back is turned." This may be
the
> result of negative or aversion type training. The monks of new
> skeet (keepers of the alpha wolf flame), describe this same behavior in
> the latter part of they're popular book, How To Be Your Best Friend.
> They say something to the effect that the other wolves in the pack
> will always challenge the so called alpha male whenever he is
vulnerable
> or becomes weak. Some way to live, huh?
This is just the kind of stupid, cheap shot bull
ca ca I'm always talking about.
This schmuck does absolutely *nothing* to actually help
the poster at all, he just takes shots at the Monks, pack
hierarchy theory, alpha theory, etc. (what? you don't have
any problem with the Theory of Gravity, too?), and automatically
blames this dog's "growling" on negative or aversion type training!
Yet another Kenny Freakin' King wannabe!
Hell, he'd blame cancer on the Monks if he could.
--------------------
GRAVITY IS A LAW, tommy... AIN'T IT.
BREAK IT AND YOU FALL ON YOUR ARSE EVERY TIME.
GUARANTEED.
Subject: Testing potential class students
From: Lynne
Date: Mon, Oct 9 2006
This is a tough subject, and I imagine a very emotional one for
most people. If I were in a class and someone else's dog viciously
attacked mine, I'd have to be stopped from harming not only the
dog, but also the handler...
I have experience with my dog being on the receiving end of
dog aggression, though, and so I have a hair trigger on these
issues now. I feel bad for you as an instructor, because the
people in your class look to you for 'control' when in fact it is
they who are responsible for the control of their dogs, even
though you are teaching them.
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Subject: Why is she biting after being petted ?
6From: Lynne
Date: Wed, Oct 11 2006 6:55 pm
Email: "Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Groups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
this is one of those funny things about cats. And they are all
different. You have to learn to read each one, and it takes time.
I used to have a very large neutered male cat who would attack me
(think: chunks of flesh missing) if I walked by him and didn't pet
him when he wanted me to. Or if I pet him when he didn't want me
to. Or if I pet him too long, not long enough... hehe. He was mean,
but not always, and I loved him.
From: Lynne
Date: Mon, Oct 16 2006 12:18 pm
Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Shelly <she...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
news:e8f7j210fdpq1vcd45rnk67gpll6bruncm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> You will be *much* happier now that you've ditched reading via Google.
If
> nothing else, the ability to filter out the loonies is well worth
whatever
> learning curve there might be.
There really doesn't seem to be a learning curve at all, but you are
right - Google sucks for news. I have used Outlook in the past but
I have a conflict with other apps (surprise, surprise) and had to delete
it.
I'm already loving this killfile--boy HOWdEy!! ;-)
--
"Lynne" lover of mutts and feral kitties
----------------
> This is good because we have a 2 YO foster cat named Daisy that we are
> waiting to adopt as well <g>. Daisy's story is a little sadder but this
> is a dog echo so all I'll say here based on
> her history is 'she amazingly, gets along with dogs and at least older
> children'.
AMAZING~!
Here's a few SUGGESTIONS from your newfHOWEND
pathetic lyin dog abusin punk thug coward active accute
chronic life long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
MENTAL CASE pal liea:
DAILY / WEEKLY WARNINGS:
163 for author:jaltshu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"occasional post"
OT: occasional post-Broken rib-DOGS DON'T WORK CREDIT
.... I try to notify each new person who posts with the
following "occasional post" to help new people learn
to killfile faster and to waste less time in public argument.
I hope the following helps. ...
Jun 17 2002 by Julia Altshuler - 15 messages - 9 authors
OT: occasional post-this newsgroup-I'm outa here
And if you blocked the arguing, you'd see only a nice
helpful friendly group. Not only that, if you didn't post
messages like the one you just did, you wouldn't be
adding to the problem. --
Lia ...
Mar 12 2003 by Julia Altshuler - 55 messages - 20 authors
OT: occasional post-4 month old puppy still pees in her
box...help ...
I post this informational message occasionally. I try
to post it in answer to first posts by people who might
not be familiar with this newsgroup or anywhere else
it might be useful. This is rec.pets.dogs.behavior (rpdb). ..
Apr 25 2002 by Julia Altshuler - 14 messages - 5 authors
OT: occasional post-this newsgroup-Barking. Help please
John, Please don't answer him or copy his messages.
The rest of us have him killfiled and wouldn't know he
was there if you didn't.
Here's the canned message with more information: This
message ...
Mar 14 2003 by Julia Altshuler - 10 messages - 7 authors
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BWEEEAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAA!!!
From: abadabracadab...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(ABADABRACADABRAH)
Date: 17 Aug 2004 15:54:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Eggplant ! Eggplant! []
> Subject: Eggplant ! Eggplant! []
> From: Julia Altshuler jaltshu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: 8/17/04 11:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> Please, folks. Remember to label your posts when you're
> arguing with trolls. So many threads are troll arguments
> these days that I can't keep track of which ones to delete
> without reading. We either do or do not have new
> annoyances.
>
> Either way, label them with the [eggplant] tag.
> I'm quick to killfile everybody.
You're INSANE, liea.
>--Lia
HOWEDY liea,
> Subject: Re: house training problem [ninnyboy]
> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:57:02 GMT
> The dog groups have a newsgroup nut
You shock and jerk and choked your dog Cubbe till
she ATTACKED your only friend and tied to attack
a couple kids and did attack your neighbor's old
dog.
> who yells at everyone and never goes away.
You're a lying dog abusing MENTAL CASE, liea.
> Just ignore him, or put him in your killfile.
Perhaps you should bring back your occasional
daily and weekly warnings?
> That's what everyone else does.
That so? HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy
Wizard is the most pupular topic in the Whole
Wild World amongst dog lovers?
> Whatever you do, don't copy his messages.
You're a paranoid mental case, liea.
> That's a lot of bandwidth.
You're a DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASE, liea.
>--Lia
135 results for insubject: occasional post
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: Julia Altshuler <jaltshu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 03:46:53 GMT
Subject: OT: occasional post-this newsgroup
He *is* nuts. Don't answer him.
--Lia
This message is posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior (r.p.d.b.)
regularly and occasionally to other newsgroups including
alt.animals.dog, rec.pets.dogs.rescue, alt.pets.dog, and
rec.pets.dogs.misc. These are unmoderated groups meaning
that no one checks the messages to make sure they're on-
topic, civil or sensible before they go through.
The purpose of this occasional posting is to give information
about the newsgroup so that discussion about the newsgroup
itself is cut down and discussion about dogs increases.
Like so many usenet groups, this group has people who
post annoyingly and constantly, people who post angry
and abusive messages, people who post to irritate others.
It's up to individuals to decide which posters bother them.
Here are some guidelines that many people follow to
make this newsgroup pleasant and informative:
1. Use your killfile. A killfile (or filter) makes invisible
posts by any particular person or with any particular words
in the subject line.
The posts are still there, but they don't show up on the
screen of the person using the killfile. Look at
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/killfilefaq.htm
for instructions.
2. Don't make more noise. The only thing more annoying
than a troll is an otherwise rational person arguing with or
about a troll.
That's known as feeding the trolls. Please don't feed the
trolls. It really is insane to attempt rational discussion with
the insane.
3. Want to exercise your right to free speech and argue
about or with trolls anyway? Put "ninnyboy" in the
subject line. That way the people who want to join the
fracas can, and those who don't can opt out by killfiling
"ninnyboy." If you don't do this, expect to be killfiled
yourself. [Jerry], with the brackets is also a recognized
signal.
4. Figured out that arguing with trolls is useless but
still want to talk about trolls by referring to them in
the third person? Put "ninnyboy" in the subject line
then too. That subject is boring too.
5. Trim quoted posts to include only the part you're
responding to. Quoting an entire long post in order to
respond to only a small piece of it is annoying. Again,
if you don't do this, expect to be killfiled.
6. Understand Candace. Candace is an automatic
program that answers troll posts automatically,
repetititively and relentlessly.
Most of us find these posts boring after a
short while and killfile it too.
That's O.K. You can't hurt its feelings.
7. Show no fear. Have a question or need to admit that
you've made errors in dog training in the past? This is
still a good place to come for (often contradictory) advice.
Use your own judgment to decide what advice to follow
and what not to. No harm can come to you even if people
vehemently disagree, call you names or repost your old
messages.
8. Label off-topic threads as "OT." A label helps people
decide what to read and what not to.
9. Check the F.A.Q. for answers to frequent non-
complicated questions.
10. Don't post pictures. This is not a binary newsgroup.
That's plain text only, no HTML, no attachments. If you'd
like, post a pointer to a website with pictures on it.
11. Don't crosspost. It's bad enough when someone posts
something dog related to all the groups having to do with
dogs. It's worse when totally unrelated groups get tossed
in the mix. Feel like you absolutely have to jump in on
something that's been crossposted to unrelated groups?
Erase the extraneous ones when you answer.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: Julia Altshuler <jaltshu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:53:18 GMT
Subject: OT - Should I bring back the occasional post?
The subject line says it all.
When I started posting the occasional post, the idea
was to help new people understand what's going on with
the annoyances on this newsgroup
I wanted to help them understand that anything they had
to say on the subject had been said before, wouldn't do
any long term good and would bore a bunch of people in
the short term. I stopped because I wasn't sure I was
accompli****ng my goal. Now I'm not so sure. I'm seeing
so many unmarked arguments with the annoyances.
Any opinions?
I'm not taking a vote, but I do care what the regulars think.
For new people, the occasional post is as follows. Do you
think that seeing it when you first started posting would
have helped?
Would it be more useful if it weren't so precise and wordy?
Maybe something shorter? I'm thinking it needs an update.
--Lia
-------------
"Ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you mad." -
~Aldous Huxley.
"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
"Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"
-Friedrich Schiller.
INDEEDY.
AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!
In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
The WORLD'S CRUELEST Trainer,
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
M-A-J-E-S-T-I-C
G-R-A-N-D M-A-S-T-E-R
Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ;~ ) >
HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >
Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092 (Call ANY TIME)
http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard
E-mail:
Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
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