HOWEDY paul e. schoen you pathetic miserable stinkin
rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active acute
chronic life-long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
MENTAL CASE,
"Paul E. Schoen" <pstech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>
> "many_dogs" <many_dogs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> Peacefully in his sleep.
>>
>> There are rabbits galore to chase over that rainbow bridge, Homeboy.
>
> Our sincere condolences.
INDEED? Ain't it a shame she didn't have the pleasure
of MURDERIN IT at the vets like HOWE you an your
pals PREFER?
> Words are not enough...
Would "AS IT SHOULD BE", be enough, paulie?
> Paul and Muttley
Here's a couple of your punk thug coward mental case
pals MURDERIN their own fearful deathly ill dogs:
Subject: Mojo's last day-a year late
I'll warn you right up front this is not a story that will
end up with you feeling anything good. I know this because
I've been living with this almost a year. The difference to
me right now is that I'm finally able to write about it having
taken this long because I knew I'd have to re-live it once
again and up until now, I couldn't.
Mojo died a year ago on the 21rd of June.
He did not die well.
I won't go into the details that led us to that last day here
as I already have written of that on my LJ. If you do want to
read it just ask and I'll post the URL.
Luke's death in January of the same year is also there and will
show the vast contrast between what happened with each dog and
why Mojo's death has been so difficult for me and pretty much
destroyed any hope of any real closure for my husband and I.
These dogs lived with us daily, close to us in ways that no
other two dogs have been. They'd been through a catostrophic
hurricane with us, they'd both had medical problems we'd
dutifully taken care of for much of their lives and they've
traveled literally, thousands of miles with us. We'd all lived
together in a 26 foot long travel trailer at times and that in
itself is pretty darn intimate in the "living with the dogs"
department.
We could read each other's moods and sometimes didn't even
have to speak to them and they'd know what we wanted just
by their observations of our body language. It was unique,
even more so than our previous canine crews.
We'd only been back in Idaho,in this town for @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
3 months when
we first took Mojo in to a new vet. I liked him a great deal
and was impressed with him. He was an older guy yet very willing
to listen to me and best of all, he and Mojo seemed to hit it off
immediately. He had always been partial to the big dogs, GSDs in
particular.
In the next few days we'd be forced to think the unthinkable
that we all have to when we outlive our dogs but since I'd
been through this three times before I knew all the questions
to ask beforehand. Or so I thought.
The vet and I had discussed in great detail what we'd be doing,
what we'd be using, where my husband and I would be, what we'd
observe, what would be happening at what point in time-everything.
No surprises. Just as peacefully and as perfect as when we'd put
Luke down six months earlier.
As hard as that was, as much as I will always miss him just
as much as all my other beloved dogs, I left there feeling
closure and the deep belief and comfort that I'd done the
right thing by him. I felt as a responsible dog owner that
could proudly look in the mirror and believe I did the right
thing for Luke.
The day we took Mojo in to say goodbye however, we weren't
greeted by the vet I'd met and talked to and gotten to know
but by his associate, whom I'd never met before. In retrospect
I should have stopped everything right then and there but I didn't.
I trusted he'd do things exactly the way the other vet and I
discussed and I believed everything that took place when it
was Luke's turn would happen that day with Mojo.
And I think also that mentally we'd prepared ourselves for it
so well it never occurred to us to go back. We were ready and
Mojo was ready. I've always abided by one simple rule with all
my dogs and that is that when the time is right, when life is
too painful for them to enjoy;
then my promise, my duty is that I will allow them to go with
dignity, quietly and stress free; to a place where there is no
pain. I _owe_ them that at the very least.
That day we sat on the floor with Mojo, his favorite red plaid/
sheepskin blanket under him and hand fed him his favorite treats-
beef, chocolate, whatever. He received his first shot to relax
him and as he drifted off and dozed a bit the vet and his assistant
began to administer the final shot. We expecting the exact same
thing that had happened with Champ, Darcy and Luke...to begin
seeing his breathing slow, his eyes close and his body to fully
relax until a check on his heartbeat showed he was really and
truly gone while listening to the love in our voices to
comfort him. That didn't happen.
He suddenly began thra****ng around wildly and screaming loudly
as the vet kept trying to stick the needle in his vein. As out of it as
he was then he still managed to half stand up, still screaming loudly
in pain.
I couldn't move. I was absolutely horrified and paralyzed.
My husband finally found the presence of mind to ask "What
is happening, what's going on?, I thought this was going to
be peaceful"! The vet screamed back at him:
"IT NORMALLY IS! HIS VEINS HAVE COLLAPSED!"
The rational part of me realizes the vet was horrified as well
and the yelling and defensiveness was part of that but the other
part of me, the white hot angry part was so upset that Mojo was
hearing all of this disturbance in our voices I wanted to punch
the guy right in the face.
Instead I grabbed him by his coat collar and pulled his face
close to mine but I couldn't say anything.I was in shock.
My concern for only Mojo kicked in then and my husband flat out
told the vet to leave right now that we needed some time with
Mojo to settle him and calm him down.
The vet left and we spent the next 15 to 20 minutes crooning
to Mojo, petting him and comforting him until he became calm
and dozed again, his head in lap and our arms around him.
The vet returned with a different syringe that contained
something of a different color and I swear to you that his
face was ash white. I have no idea what we looked like but
I have no doubt ours were too.
The final shot was administered and we spent the next ten
minutes with tears streaming down our faces and our bodies
wracked in sobs not because Mojo was gone but because he'd
gone like that and we felt responsible.
The gift of going without pain was ours to give him and we
failed him. And in doing so we also would never receive the
closure we needed as well.
After that, we got up and left him there on the floor with
his blanket and walked out like zombies. I don't throw up
as a rule of thumb unless I have a bad stomach virus because
I hate it so much which means I've thrown up about 3 time in
the past 30 years.
That day, I made it as far as the car door then I threw up
all over the parking lot then again when I got home.
I literally was so overwhelmed by what had just happened and so
emotionally drained like nothing I'd ever experienced before.
To this day my husband and I have never sat down and gone over
the minute details together because we were there-we don't need to.
We have discussed it indirectly, hugged each other and cried buckets
of tears. To be brutally honest I've been more affected by this than
by losing my Mom last fall because she at least went very peacefully,
unlike Mojo. You can be very sure when it's Taffy's time this is
something I will be discussing with the vet and if there's a backup
plan for this sort of thing you can be damn sure it will be in place.
I never ever want to see another animal I love go through this
again in my life. Had I known this would happen, I'd have taken
him out and put a bullet through his head myself to guarantee it
would be painless and quick.
I'd much rather live with that image than the one I carry around.
It took me six months just to be able to drive down that street
without being aware or looking at the window where it happened
and I haven't been back in to talk to that vet whom, I recently
learned, sold the practice to someone else.
I probably should have gone back within a few weeks or so
but now too much time has elapsed for me to feel comfortable
doing that.
I've never heard of anyone else having this happen and maybe
if I had I'd have somehow been able to prevent it but I'll
never know for sure.
So that's what happened last year when Mojo died and it's why
I have had such a difficult time with it as well a big reason
as to why I've disappeared a lot from the newsgroup for long
periods of time.
Often I've logged on here but see that someone has recently
lost a dog and it's just too hard so I quietly leave. I do
want ya'll to know though that my silence doesn't mean I'm
indifferent to your loss, it's just brings back too many bad
memories of my own.
So this part of the healing process has begun, it seems.
RIP Mojo
On 10 Jun 2007 01:16:09 GMT, Terri <Te...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> I had no idea, only that you'd gone through a horrible period
> losing so many animals. I hope you don't mind me asking some
> questions here.
Not at all.
> Did you have a problem with the veins collapsing such as Mojo did?
No; what happened with Boomer, the world's most loving Siberian, is
that he had lumbosacral stenosis, which is why he was going to the
Bridge in the first place - he'd had discomfort and mobility problems
for some time but still bounded around with his odd rocking horse
gait, happy to be alive, until that Friday evening when his back end
just gave out and he couldn't get up. But our usual vet, the senior
guy, isn't in on Saturdays, and this vet didn't know about his back
problem, and I think the position she put him in on the table
aggravated it. But I also have to say that for some reason, Boomer
was agitated as soon as I put him in the van to go to the vet that
morning, which was very unusual for him. He kind of whined off
and on to the vet and acted as though he were in distress at the vet's
until the euthanasia solution kicked in. It was very unnerving and,
as with you and Mojo, not something I like to remember.
> Do you feel it was a lack of experience that caused the problem,
> the bedside manner or the fact you didn't know him/her very well?
Lack of experience. Her bedside manner was fine; she was very kind.
But she didn't know Boomer, and I guess she didn't look at his chart
or she'd have seen he had back problems, and I didn't think to tell
her until it was too late. Obviously, I wasn't thinking as clearly as
I hopefully do ordinarily, but that's a good reason to never have an
unfamiliar vet euthanize one's animals.
> And most im****tantly, what do you know of backup plans that can
> be put into place in the event it isn't going well initially and
> needs to be quickly ended, keeping the tension out of it?
In Boomer's case, I think she was a bit unnerved by his crying (not
screaming), and tried to speed it up. I chose not to say anything
about his back at that point and reposition him because I didn't want
to prolong it. I honestly don't know the answer to your question
about backup plans. We have never had a problem when the senior
vet does the procedure - - unlike many, maybe most vets, he does not
use a sedative beforehand, because he says that slows down the dog's
system and prolongs the process.
Sighthounds have these big old hearts that sometimes want to keep
going, so he tends to use more euthanasia solution than needed, and
I think that what he does is just give a huge dose that would drop a
small horse. The result is *always* that the dog loses consciousness
and dies very quickly. Peaceful each and every time, and the dog
doesn't have the added discomfort of an extra IV or catheter.
>> You still gave Mojo the gift of release from pain.
>> Eventually. :(
I know. But does live in and for the moment, and we humans can
take a big lesson from that. A dog would never keep remembering and
torturing itself the way you and your DH and I have. I know Boomer
would forgive those last moments, as he forgave everything else, and
I'm sure Mojo would as well. FWIW, you did the exact right thing by
calling a halt to the procedure and calming everybody, especially
Mojo down.
To lighten the moment, I will tell you what happened when we put
Tasha down on April 28. Tasha was a most awesome Siberian Husky.
She was 14 and we got her from a pound when she was about a year.
To say she was intelligent is like saying Paris Hilton is spoiled. She
once found our greyhound Matty in some woods about 6 miles from
home, where he hid during the 36 hours he was lost - DH said "find
Matty", and damned if she didn't.
She once grabbed the neck of a dog that DH was unsuccessfully
trying to prevent from attacking another dog - just closed her jaws
and held on. Anyway, she'd had osteosarcoma for 22 months and
it showed signs of having spread to her brain, and she had impaired
kidney function as well.
We were dreading this day like never before. Oddly enough, I
believe Tasha was ready. She was always our alpha, a supremely
confident dog with a great deal of pride. On the table, her front
paw shook and DH - - she was always his girl - - held it.
As always with this vet, it was very smooth and peaceful (he
particularly liked her, said she reminded him of that female l
ead dog on Eight Below) and she was gone very quickly. Just
as the vet and tech left the room and closed the door, leaving
DH and me alone with Tasha, her head came up, facing the
door, and her tongue stuck out.
DH couldn't help laughing - said she'd gotten the last word.
Yes, we know it was just a reflex, but it was somehow fitting.
I hope you don't mind me asking: have you ever discussed this with
another vet? If Mojo's reaction was caused by his veins collapsing
(and I've heard of that but not heard of it causing that result), why
was the vet able to complete the procedure?
Did he have something in the second syringe to dilate the veins?
Mustang Sally
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Subject: Mojo's Last Day- a year later
> Terri <Te...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in news:5***t9F2ikd9sU1
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> The gift of going without pain was
> ours to give him and we failed him.
Well THAT'S a LOAD OF HOT DRY CRAPOLA <{}: ~ ( >
Mojo lived his entire BRIEF life (Mojo 2/26/1996-6/21/2006)
in STARK RAVIN TERROR, thanks to meat terri's IDIOCY
and ABUSE:
Subject: Mojo and T-Storms, FOAD Howeless.
From: dogsnus <dogs...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2000/05/09
"Mojo is a humongeous GSD that is terrified of
his own shadow! A great big intimadating bark,
but a woosy at heart! BG! Today, and all this week,
we are seeing major T-storms, which Mojo is deathly
afraid of. I raced home early, and found a shed door
torn down, no front screens left, and a terrifed dog
trapped behind a barrier intended to keep them out
of the shed's water storage for god only knows how
long.. (Mojo drank half a bucket of water when I let
him in).
He was trapped in that area, trying to find some refuge,
and he tore up a lot of insulation around the tank to try
and find a safe spot. I came home and didn't see him in
the yard, and didn't see a torn down fence, so I raced
inside and out the front door and ran out to the shed door
first to see if he was quaking in there.
There he was, trapped behind a 4 foot barrier with not
enough room behind him to launch himself over it to
come to me.(That body is a large 108# or so).
I tore open the wire(s) and out he came to stick like glue
to me for about 2 hours. I've replaced the shed door; had
to use the Kubota to prop it up and probably have to re-
seed the lawn now, ordered a big doggie door, and have
replaced the window and bought screens to replace this
weekend.
All told so far, it's cost us @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
800 to repair the damage. In
the interim, I think I'll be missing work again doggie sitting
until we get a safety net for poor ol' Mojo.
My co-workers still_ think I'm nuts to take vacation days
for a *dog", but hey, what do they know about dog-human
bonding? Mojo lost a few hairs going over the wire, but
no damage was found, and I ran my hands over him like
a fine tuned massage therapist! Hey, when Mojo is in a
hurry to escape *bad noises*, he doesn't much care about
the size of the opening. He's COMIN through! Which
explains the dog hair left on the fence in the shed! Cheers,"
From: "Jerry Howe" <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2000/05/10
Subject: Re: Mojo and T-Storms, FOAD Howeless.
Hello dogsnuthin,
Dogs who are fearful are usually made that way
because they lack confidence in their ''trainer.''
Good LUCK. As you know, I don't put my trust in luck,
it's abundant, but RISKY... I rely on the INFORMATION
in the Wits' End Dog Training Method manual available
for FREE (don't THAT just frost your behind???) at
http://www.doggydoright.com
Your BEST FRIEND, Jerry. Bye! j;~}
Fear of thunder can be EXXXTINGUISHED
NEARLY INSTANTLY if you simply DO
EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY
OPPOSITE of HOWE you pathetic miserable
stinkin lyin animal murderin punk thug coward
ignorameHOWESES do it.
LIKE THIS:
Chris Williams writes:
"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"
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AND LIKE THIS:
"Dan Moore" <mooret...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message
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Tracy,
What worked for me, in just one storm,
was to praise the dog after each clap
of thunder, telling him he's a Good Dog!
This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW.
The next time it thundered, he did not even
react at all--you could not tell it was the same
dog as before.
There was more thunder just the other day,
and same thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no
cowering, whimpering, trying to hide at all,
it was that simple.
I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might seem
to be a "wild and crazy" character, but his non-
abusive way of handling dogs WORKS.
Wonderfully.
Praise.
It's that simple.
Juanita
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HOWEver, meat terri DON'T LIKE THAT <{}: ~ ) >
"Out of 5 dogs so far, I've had 2 that are afraid of thunderstorms.
Mojo, the GSD, by far, is the worst I've had. I've learned a few
things so far.. reassurance only compounds the problem. It's like
telling the dog, "hey, it's okay to be afraid". "
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA!!!
From: dogsnus <dogs...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2000/01/11
Subject: Turkey Gut/Mojo
Okay, it's been over 1 and a half weeks since Mojo
snagged a 20# turkey carcass off the WAY back area
of the counter, so he's okay now. This big_ moose is
bigger than I realized. DH was slicing off turkey flesh
to marinate and dehydrate, and realizing what happened
on Christmas day, (another story), DH made a point of
pu****ng this carcass WAY back on an area neither of us
would have realized that Mojo could reach . (Those who
have been here or seen our photos could visualize this part
of the kitchen).
Didn't work. (I've mentioned that Mojo was a HUGE oversized
GSD before). The platter was left unmoved and the carcass gone_.
Not ONE little turkey scrap was found anywhere in the house.
Cooked turkey, bones, GADS!
I have been following these dogs around the yard for
days watching their stools, and I demanded DH do the
same, since it happened while he was in charge during
the day.
(I know, I'm a hard task-master). WEG!
At any rate, now that we know Mojo has been "rewarded"
for his efforts, I'm about to set him up with cans and string
that hopefully will trip him up and scare the living smoke
out of him the next time he tries this little stunt.
I'll let you know what happens.
Terri
Very thankful none of my dogs had problems and
VERY thankful none ended up at the vet's with
punctured intestines, etc.
From: "Jerry Howe" j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
2000/01/12
Subject: Re: Turkey Gut/Mojo
"dogsnus" <dogs...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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dogsnnuts,
It's not necessary to create a gigantic racket to scare
the Wits' End out of your dog...
All you need is any brief sound followed by praise.
Although it doesn't make any sense to you to praise
after the sound, it's not necessary for it to make sense
to you, just to the dog. The sound must never come
from the same place twice in a row, and scolding has
no place in the process.
Using the techniques exactly as I teach them, breaks
the dog's DESIRE for the unwanted behavior, not just
scares the bejesus out of him.
Had you read and followed the instructions I provide
here for free, you wouldn't have had the problem to
begin with.
Some slight differences in your approach to behavior
will make significant improvements in all of your results.
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HOWEDY meat terri a.k.a. dogsnuts, you pathetic
miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin punk thug
coward active accute chronic life long incurable
malignant maliciHOWES mental case and career
kibologist and SHELTER / RESCUE dog lover
FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST and False Christian,
> Along with not all dogs instinctively knowing how to swim
CITES PLEASE?
EVERY THING you think you know abHOWET dogs
is EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE
it really IS <{}: ~ ( >
> or in some cases, being unable to swim despite being taught
CITES PLEASE?
> how I can vouch today that not all dogs seem to be
> able to learn to navigate a substance called "ice".
That's ABSURD. Dogs "can't swim" on accHOWENT they
PAINICK, the SAME reason they "can't walk on ice" or
tile floors <{}: ~ ( >
Dogs PAINICK on accHOWENTA they're HYPERACTIVE
from ABUSIVE handling and trainin by DOG LOVERS like
you and your punk thug coward active accute chronic life long
incurable malignant mental case pals <{}: ~ ( >
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH,
That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And
Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The
Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies. <{) ; ~ ) >
> _Some_ dogs, not naming names, ought to have
> been born with ice cleats on their feets
INDEED? TheyARE. We call them CLAWS.
>. _Some_ dogs don't seem to grok that all terra isn't truly firma.
Oh, you mean JUST LIKE HOWE "some dogs" fear thunder
and small children and get "Canine Cognitive DIS-EASE",
meat terri? Perahps you should restrict you idiotic postings to
alt.religion.kibology where you won't be ridiculed?
> _Some_ dogs have to be carried, all 80 lbs of them,
> over the icy spots on a wooden deck to the ground.
THAT'S on accHOWENTA they're AFRAID.
> Ahem.
HOWE COME ALL YOUR DOGS ARE PHOBIC?:
HOWEDY dogsnuts,
dogsnus wrote:
> John Doe <jdoe@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
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>
> > troll
Looks like john doe doesn't LIKE what he READS.
> > Please don't cross post your rants.
SUFFER, john doe. SUFFER.
> Please learn to trim your posts
Yeah, it's EMBARRASSING when new readers
copy the entire text QUOTING YOU HURTING
INTIMIDATING and MURDERING dogs, dogsnuts.
> and I've inserted ninnyboy in there
BRILLIANT! That was recommended by ed w of
PET LOSS DOT COIN on accHOWENT of The Amazing
Puppy Wizared is BAD for the PET LOSS BUSINESS.
> as a long standing traditon over here on rpd.behavior
It was SECONDED by professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer,
another DISCREDITED DOG ABUSING PUNK THUG
COWARD MENTAL CASE who USED TO SELL his bogus
master's degree program on The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Forums And
School Of HARD KNOCKS and HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH
LABORATORIES <{); ~ ) >
> when responding to or about this nutjob.
WHO'S THE NUTJOB, dogsnuts, you pathetic mental case?
> Although I do find it hilarious to have seen after
> all this time
Hey? You wanna see hilariHOWES, dogsnuts? JUST READ
SOME OF YOUR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY:
> that my dog goes through windows due to fear of thunder!
From: dogsnus <"Terri"@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.net>
Date: 1997/10/08
Subject: Re: Terror of Thunder, Golden Unrestrainable
> Ive had 2 dogs afraid of thunder, and never have successfully
> eliminated their fear. Ive tried playing thunder and lightning
> CD,s put up a fan to help mask the noise, but never have they
> 100% gotten over the fear.
IN FACT, IT ONLY GETS WORSE as you SEZ:
"I've learned a few things so far.. reassurance
only compounds the problem."
"Last thing you want to do is reassure the dog when
a storm comes and he's showing signs of nervousness.
"I bring mine in, give Mojo a reasuring pat,
Give treats after a clap of thunder,"
"And, I have NEVER seen this fear pass so far.
In fact, I've only seen it get worse."
> You can't duplicate the smell's of a
> thunderstorm that we can't smell and they can.
That's irrelevent and SHEER IDIOCY. Dogs don't FEAR
the SMELL of rain, lots of times it smells like rain
and DOESN'T RAIN.
> First, it has nothing to do with spoiling a dog that
> creates the fear.
Right. It's CAUSED by CRATING, over CON-TROLL,
INTIMDIATION and REWARDS or BRIBES.
> Last thing you want to do is reassure the dog when
> a storm comes and he's showing signs of nervousness.
But you later recommend taking the dog inside and
giving a cookie every time it thunders and maybe
puttin the dog on leash and working with IT and
IGNORE the dog when IT PAINICKS:
"I've learned a few things so far.. reassurance
only compounds the problem."
"Last thing you want to do is reassure the dog when
a storm comes and he's showing signs of nervousness.
"I bring mine in, give Mojo a reasuring pat,
Give treats after a clap of thunder,"
"And, I have NEVER seen this fear pass so far.
In fact, I've only seen it get worse."
> I bring mine in, give Mojo a reasuring pat,
Yeah, and a pat, which likeWIZE makes the dog
MOORE DEPENDENT on his ABUSER: "Last thing you
want to do is reassure the dog when a storm
comes and he's showing signs of nervousness. <{): ~ ) >
"I've learned a few things so far.. reassurance
only compounds the problem."
"Last thing you want to do is reassure the dog when
a storm comes and he's showing signs of nervousness.
"I bring mine in, give Mojo a reasuring pat,
Give treats after a clap of thunder,"
"And, I have NEVER seen this fear pass so far.
In fact, I've only seen it get worse."
> then act like nothing is wrong.
"I bring mine in, give Mojo a reasuring pat,
Give treats after a clap of thunder,"
"And, I have NEVER seen this fear pass so far.
In fact, I've only seen it get worse."
> I just let him pant and find a place he feels safe in.
HIDING in a CRATE or SAFE PLACE is like hiding under
a blanket from the BOOGEYMAN and INCREASES fears. So
far you've CONTRADICTED EVERY THING YOU'VE SAID that
wasn't TOTALLY IRRELEVENT anyHOWE and therefore
CONTRADICTED ITSELF just on PURE STUPIDITY <{); ~ ) >
"I've learned a few things so far.. reassurance
only compounds the problem."
"Last thing you want to do is reassure the dog when
a storm comes and he's showing signs of nervousness.
"I bring mine in, give Mojo a reasuring pat,
Give treats after a clap of thunder,"
"And, I have NEVER seen this fear pass so far.
In fact, I've only seen it get worse."
> Mojo doesn't destroy things though,
PERAHPS THAT was PRYOR to GETTIN WORSE, as YOU SEZ"
"And, I have NEVER seen this fear pass so far.
In fact, I've only seen it get worse."
> like this dog does, so Im thinking giving him a crate or
> a safe area in the house is the best way to deal with it.
> Provide some sort of noise to help mask out the sound of
> the thunder, like a fan.
DIDN'T WORK, DID IT:
"I've learned a few things so far.. reassurance
only compounds the problem."
"Last thing you want to do is reassure the dog when
a storm comes and he's showing signs of nervousness.
"I bring mine in, give Mojo a reasuring pat,
Give treats after a clap of thunder,"
"And, I have NEVER seen this fear pass so far.
In fact, I've only seen it get worse."
> I also have a neighbor that comes over in the event
> no one is home during a thunder storm to pick Mojo
> up and take him to their house until it p*****.
BWEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!!
> He's getting better,
DESPITE THAT YOU'VE ONLY SEEN IT GET WORSE:
"I've learned a few things so far.. reassurance
only compounds the problem."
"Last thing you want to do is reassure the dog when
a storm comes and he's showing signs of nervousness.
"I bring mine in, give Mojo a reasuring pat,
Give treats after a clap of thunder,"
"And, I have NEVER seen this fear pass so far.
In fact, I've only seen it get worse."
> but he's still nervous.
Oh? So he's NOT AFRAID OF THUNDER, he's just nerveHOWES?
> Champ never did get over it, 13 yrs later.
NEITHER DID Mojo another ten years later... DID HE.
> Other than that,
"And, I have NEVER seen this fear pass so far.
In fact, I've only seen it get worse."
You mean, that your dogs got EVERY FEAR BEHAVIOR
in the book, dogsnuts, on accHOWENT of you're a
dog abusing MENTAL CASE, REMEMBER?
> Im not much help.
PERHAPS THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard
goes "BWEEEAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!!" EVERY TIME
YOU POST your IDIOCY and LIES, here abHOWETS?
> But I dont find in unreasonable to bring the
> dog in the house if he's frightened outside.
He's gonna be JUST AS AFRAID inside or HOWET.
> In fact, I find it cruel to force him to stay
> out there in the very thing that causes him such
> terror.
That so? Would you likeWIZE "FIND IT CRUEL" to
allHOWE your dogs to LIVE IN FEAR if you could
CURE IT NEARLY INSTANTLY by simply doing EXXXACTLY
PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE you handle your critters?
>Terri
You're WON for the BOOKS, ain't you, dogsnuts.
> I wonder when that happened because I sure don't remember it.
PERHAPS your ANTI PSYCHOTIC MEDS need changin?:
From: dogsnus <dogs...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2000/05/18
Subject: Re: Panicked Yorkie
> I'm going to jump in the middle of this post, since I
> feel both posts need to be quoted for interpretation,
> if you don't mind, Testarossa.:)
Oh? You're gonna INTERPRET for us, dogsnuts?
YOUR DOGS GOT THE SAME PROBLEM ON
accHOWENT of YOUR ADVICE.
"I've learned a few things so far.. reassurance
only compounds the problem."
"Last thing you want to do is reassure the dog when
a storm comes and he's showing signs of nervousness.
"I bring mine in, give Mojo a reasuring pat,
Give treats after a clap of thunder,"
"And, I have NEVER seen this fear pass so far.
In fact, I've only seen it get worse."
> As most of you know who go to the behavior group know,
> I'm dealing with the most major T-storm fearful dog I've
> ever had in my life.
So, you're gonna GIVE ADVICE?:
"I've learned a few things so far.. reassurance
only compounds the problem."
"Last thing you want to do is reassure the dog when
a storm comes and he's showing signs of nervousness.
"I bring mine in, give Mojo a reasuring pat,
Give treats after a clap of thunder,"
"And, I have NEVER seen this fear pass so far.
In fact, I've only seen it get worse."
> I've spent several hundreds of dollars in repairs from
> the past storm that went through here last week, and
> just spent another few hundred on a dog door for the
> sliding glass door for when I'm not at home.
SO YOUR DOG DON'T CHEW THROUGH
YOUR HOWES TRYIN TO ESCAPE.
> I'm also collecting stories about remedies on this problem.
Your own POSTED CASE HISTORY is RICH
in REMEDIES for this problem:
"I've learned a few things so far.. reassurance
only compounds the problem."
"Last thing you want to do is reassure the dog when
a storm comes and he's showing signs of nervousness.
"I bring mine in, give Mojo a reasuring pat,
Give treats after a clap of thunder,"
"And, I have NEVER seen this fear pass so far.
In fact, I've only seen it get worse."
> So far, I've found out a few things: It's
> impossible to emulate a thunderstorm
Have you tried dressin up in a sheet with tinfoil on top
and makin S-HOWENDS like banging pots an pans under it?
> to desensitize a dog,
You can't DO that by givin pats and cookies while
IGNORING the dog when IT PAINICKS, dogsnuts you
freakin MENTAL CASE.
> due to many reasons.
On accHOWENT of FEAR OF THUNDER, CAR SICKNESS,
SEPARATION anXXXIHOWESNESS, SUBMISSIVE URINATION
and other STRESS CONDITIONS are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING,
not the car, thunder, or separation, otherWIZE THIS
WOULDN'T WORK:
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's NON PHYSCIAL C-HOWENTER
CONditioning and DESENSITIZATION Technique aka The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation
AnXXXIHOWESNESS / Bed Time Calming / Fear Of Thunder /
Car Sickness / Submissive Urination / Obsessive Compulsive
Masturbation / Chronic Urinary Tract / Bladder / Irritable
BHOWEL / Obsessive Compulsive Marking / Spraying / Defecating
Syndrome Technique <{); ~ ) >
> The smell seems to be their que
Sez you? You're full of crap, dogsnuts.
> and there's not a lot us humans can so, so far,
> to imitate ozone/ atmospheric changes, and sounds
> we can't hear before they do, etc..
That'd be ABSURD.
> (If I could solve this problem, I'd be rich)!
You mean, you'd SELL what some folks GIVE AWAY for FREE?:
Chris Williams writes:
"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"
"Dan Moore" <mooret...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message
news:fS2Lc.114567$OB3.42357@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tracy,
What worked for me, in just one storm,
was to praise the dog after each clap
of thunder, telling him he's a Good Dog!
This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW.
The next time it thundered, he did not even
react at all--you could not tell it was the same
dog as before.
There was more thunder just the other day,
and same thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no
cowering, whimpering, trying to hide at all,
it was that simple.
I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might seem
to be a "wild and crazy" character, but his non-
abusive way of handling dogs WORKS.
Wonderfully.
Praise.
It's that simple.
Juanita
From: lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
22 May 2005 22:08:53 -0700
Subject: Re: My lab seems to get targeted at the dog park
dinglejingl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Anyone else have an opinion?
I'm not a trainer and my experience is limited to my
two dogs, so take it for what it's worth. As someone
who had to deal with a puppy who had his own ideas
about what was and what wasn't "proper behavior", I
was very happy to find The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
dog training method.
It is a method that is gentle to the dog, very easy
to apply and it has been working wonderfully with
both my dogs, giving practically instant results.
It was as if I had been given the "key" to understanding
and controlling my puppy's behavior: suddenly, he was
istening to me, doing what I was asking him to do, instead
of constantly opposing me.
It also worked with some issues my older dog had, too -
her fear of thunder, her barking and her aggression
towards another female dog.
Don't let either the first impression about the "weirdness"
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard, or the regulars' negative opinion
of him (there's a long history behind it) deter you from at
least reading the manual and deciding for yourself if you
want to try it or not.
I wish all the best to you and your dog.
Lucy
> Out of 5 dogs so far, I've had 2 that are afraid of thunderstorms.
Yeah, but that's on accHOWENT of you PREFER
to ABUSE THEM, dogsnuts. All you gotta do is
PRAISE your dog and IT WON'T BE AFRAID. But
you gotta STOP JERKING CHOKING SHOCKING and
LOCKING THEM IN BOXES and INTIMIDATING and
BRIBING THEM FIRST, and you can't DO THAT.
> Mojo, the GSD, by far, is the worst I've had.
> I've learned a few things so far.. reassurance
> only compounds the problem.
THAT'S on accHOWENT of YOUR DOG FEARS YOU, dogsnuts.
> It's like telling the dog, "hey, it's okay to be afraid".
Yeah... ain't you scared of lightening?
> Better to adopt a nonchalant attitude and a
> happy voice to the dog to show him/her that's
> it's no big deal.
You mean, GIVE IT REASSURANCE?
> Also, let the dog go to a place where it feels safe,
> the back room, a bathtub, behind a door, etc..
Kinda like hidin under the blanket from the boogeyman?
> It's an attempt to feel safe
You mean instead of being with his FEARLESS LEADER?
> in a small den for protection on the dogs part.
THAT'LL INCREASE ANXXXIHOWESNESS.
> I've found Mojo prefers the room dark if at all possible.
That so?:
"I've learned a few things so far.. reassurance
only compounds the problem."
"Last thing you want to do is reassure the dog when
a storm comes and he's showing signs of nervousness.
"I bring mine in, give Mojo a reasuring pat,
Give treats after a clap of thunder,"
"And, I have NEVER seen this fear pass so far.
In fact, I've only seen it get worse."
> Give treats after a clap of thunder, or.. practice your
> heeling to take the dogs mind off the problem. I do not
> claim that it's going to change the dogs behavior entirely,
> but it does help, " somewhat".
"I've learned a few things so far.. reassurance
only compounds the problem."
"Last thing you want to do is reassure the dog when
a storm comes and he's showing signs of nervousness.
"I bring mine in, give Mojo a reasuring pat,
Give treats after a clap of thunder,"
"And, I have NEVER seen this fear pass so far.
In fact, I've only seen it get worse."
> Many folks recommend natural remedies, but I have no experience
> with them. My problem is with not knowing in advance when one is
> coming up and I refuse to drug my dog when he's not under my
> supervision, and on the off chance a thunderstorm may come up.
>We get them every 2 weeks or so in the late summer and the past
>two weeks, we've gotten 4 or 5, real doozies, too. I hope, in
>some small way, this helps you, jmiller.
>I'll keep updating folks how Mojo is doing when we install that
>door and if I have a house left by the time that next storm rolls
>around when I'm not home with him.
>:)
>Terri
>I agree.And, I have NEVER seen this fear pass so far.
>In fact, I've only seen it get worse.
>> <jmil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:8fvkc4$nmf$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > My Yorkie has always been afraid of thunderstorms. Last
>> > week we had about 4 of them. When this happens she shakes
>> > as if she were battery operated and finds the smallest
>> > place she can...the little bathroom and jumps in the tub.
>> > She is just panicked.
>Let her do it.
>> > Now all of a sudden, maybe two days after the storms of
>> > last week, she has been exhibiting the same symptoms at
>> > about 8:00 every night for 4 days in a row. The rest of
>> > the day she is fine. I have Valium to give her, but that
>> > just treats the symptoms. Has anyone ever experineced
>> > this with their dog?
>See above.
>> > The Vet just says it will pass. That isn't a good enough
>> > answer for me.
>I agree.
>And, I have NEVER seen this fear pass so far.
>In fact, I've only seen it get worse.
>> > I would like to get to the bottom of this.
>If you do, let me know. We can go into business together and be RICH!
You mean, LIKE THIS?:
Mrs. Altman is the wife of a practicing psychiatrist
who has studied with The Puppy Wizard and endorses
HIS methods:
Subj: Fear of Thunder
Date: 6/29/02 6:07:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Jraltman
To: Witsenddog
Dear Jerry,
I hope you'll be able to post this message so more
people who are at their wit's end will be able to help
their dogs.
To review:
Our puppy was uncomfortable during thunder storms.
At the beginning of the problem, she paced restlessly
from room to room. She couldn't settle and sleep.
From there the problem grew. She would run to the far
southeast corner of the house (which makes sense
because most storms here come from the northwest)
and she'd cower in the corner of the couch and shake.
!st attempt to help her:
I'd pick her up, brush and massage her (call me a nut -
I've sung to her when I've done her daily bru****ng since
she was tiny so of course I sang too) and when she
relaxed, I'd put her in her crate. She then slept and I
thought the problem was solved.
Traumatic event:
We were out in the park playing with one of her doggy
friends when it began to rain. On the way home, there
was the loudest, longest, thunder clap I've ever heard.
From that day on, the problem got worse and worse.
I couldn't calm her with singing and massage. The fear
spread. She wouldn't go out if it was raining. No thunder,
just gently summer rain, and she wouldn't go out.
The solution:
I surfed the net and came across a free manual Wit's
End Dog Training Method and a product called Doggy
Do Right that seemed better than anything else I came
across.
A phone call to Jerry Howe, author of the manual and
Director of Research, Biosound Scientific, convince me
to try both the manual and the product.
Problem solved:
I followed Jerry's suggestions (more phone calls - he is
most generous with his time and advice). The first two
thunder storms my puppy was restless but not running
around in a blind panic.
The third storm, she barked her deep, stranger danger
bark after each clap of thunder. The fourth storm, she
seemed uneasy at first. Soon she was asleep at my
feet and she napped through the rest of the storm.
A miracle. I am endlessly grateful to Jerry
for his manual and his machine.
A word about Doggy Do Right. It is odd to buy a
machine that emits a sound I cannot hear. I took
the chance because Jerry offered a full refund
including ****pping.
Though I heard nothing, my puppy clearly did. When
I first turned on the machine, she got the cutest, most
quizzical look on her face. She looked at me as if to
say: "What's that? I never heard that before."
She looks at the machine when it is on. She rests on the floor
beneath it. It is obvious from her behavior that she is aware
of its cycles.
Amazing.
Thank you Jerry.
=============
>> > We love her and hate to see her go through this fear every night.
>I understand completely.
>Good luck.
>Terri
>================
BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHHAAA!!!
Some EXXXPERT! You say IGNORE the dog OR give it COOKIES
and put IT on leash and do some heeling to keep IT occupied.
You HIRE a neighbor to scoop up your puddle of German Shepherd
Dog and put IT in a bucket and take IT to their HOWES so IT
won't DESTROY YOUR HOWES tryin to ESCAPE.
> He can't even get the name or *** of the
> mythical window jumping dog right
THAT'S on accHOWENT of you got TOO MANY of them to
keep track of and you got such a RICH CASE HISTORY
of temperament and behavior problems with your own
dogs.
> and one of the dogs has been dead for @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
10 years now;
But they BOTH DESTROYED YOUR HOWES tryin to ESCAPE.
> the one who had no fear of thunder.
Yeah? Did you FORGET abHOWET THE OTHER TWO WHO
ARE AFRAID of thunder and DESTROY YOUR HOWES so
bad you got to HIRE someWON to attend to them if a storm comes...
so they DON'T DESTROY YOUR HOWES and ESCAPE on accHOWENT
of they're DOG FIGHTERS and will MURDER any neighborhood
critters they come across.
> What a maroon!
Yeah? Fear of thunder is CAUSED by ABUSING DOGS.
> "And you want to be my latex salesman?"
>
> Terri
>
> <dogsnus"Terri"@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> dogsnuts wrote:
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it. This naive
child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for
putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at
the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
we would not have had to hold the head of a really
magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide
behind fake names are more honest than people that use
their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going
to just go away because you people act like fools.
Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea,
and I don't really care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually
> admit to buying and having success with his little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You
would never believe the results, so you'll never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to
> him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I
get to listen to the box first?)
-------------------
> (adding this thread to the kill file)
snip
Right behind ya, gal. Right behind ya.
RL dog and behavior stuff, yanno, what this group is entitled??
Well, the kiddo came over on the 28th for Xmas, (his new job
had him workig on Xmas), and lo and behold the dawgs haven't
seen the kiddo since Thanksgiving, but yet; they neither barked
nor growled a bit when kiddo drove up. Rather, they waited at
the garage door, waving tails and snuffling until the kiddo got
in the house.
Then, they waved the tails gently, snuffled kiddo and got up
on the sofa with him to get their scritches.
I tell ya, these dogs KNOW who their family is and who isn't!
It must_ be instinctive. Why?
Step-daughters first visit here was a few years ago, and the *watch-
dogs*, those mean ol' GSDs, did the same thing upon
thier first meeting with her. These same dogs did NOT grow up
with our youngest kiddo, nor step-daughter; but yet: they did
the same thing upon greeting kiddo which whom they had not
been raised with.
Terri
(They freak out on little kiddos, though.
The 6 and 4 year old neighbors came over a couple of months ago.
Luke, 5, was a bit nervous. He kept his distance and whined a bit
from the back bedrooms. My normally rock solid Luke, afraid of
little quick moving kids.
Sigh.
My fault. None of the dogs has spent any amount of time around little
ones.
Mojo was okay until the 3 yr. old was sitting on the coffee table
and Mojo decided to do the "bark and snarly bad break dance doggie"
routine.
Well, that was it.
Mojo and Luke are not to be trusted with little fast moving tots on
their turf. I know him well enough to know he would not have bit,
but... I can't take the chance of a dog with a mouth THAT big
around a toddler.
Dogs outside, sad to say.
Can't risk it.
Terri
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Subject: Re: babies alone with dogs today meat terri
Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2007
"Terri" <Terri@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Paula <mmmtoblerone@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
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>
>> elegy <elegy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>> news:ltqbb3dj97rj0guu8t6vbf8esjdgp2pe00@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>> how is this for utterly tragic?
> And to follow up to that I'm going to mention something
> exactly like this that came close to happening with my own
> dogs once.
>
> When Hailey was 6 months old the kids came down to Lousiana
> to visit us. My dogs had met Hailey's mom once and they had
> known my son since they were pups and were perfectly fine with
> them.
>
> But I already knew the Sheps weren't socialized well to
> small children and didn't trust them, except for Taffy and
> this was after we'd suddenly learned of Mojo's deep dog
> aggression and had viewed it first hand along with his
> incredible speed just how serious he could be about it.
>
> Hailey was in the playpen in the front room, I was in the kitchen
> just 8-10 feet away. There was a small passthrough window
> and a high counter top that allowed me to see over it into the
> living room.
>
> I had previously warned the kids that I didn't care for the way
> the Sheps acted around young children and told them *not* to
> leave Hailey unnattended around them for _any_ reason.
>
> Towards the end of the week they apparently had grown
> complacent because I looked up from the kitchen into the
> living room where I could see Hailey but the Sheps had
> gone to the playpen and they were growling at her in that
> playpen like she was suddenly a strange new animal in
> their home.
>
> I realized the kids had walked into the back of the house
> for just a moment and the minute they did, the dynamics
> changed for the dogs.
>
> Luke was acting in a way that told me he was feeding on Mojo's
> actions and I instinctively just knew this would be a disaster
> if I hadn't been there to put a stop to it. I roundly dismissed
> the dogs and picked her up from the playpen and then chewed
> the kids out up one side and down the other for walking off like
> that.
>
> They should have told me the second they were going to leave the
> room with Hailey and the dogs in there but they just didn't think
> about it.
>
> Would I call them irresponsible parents? No. My son especially is
> devoted and downright overly protective of his daughter.
>
> It happened _so_ fast.
>
> I believe in my heart that had the behavior continued Mojo would
> have at the very _least_ badly bitten my grand-daughter. After that
> it's entirely possible that Luke would have joined in as well.
> I saw the look in Mojo's dilated eyes and his body language
> scared the hell out of me. It was the same kind of behavior
> he'd exhibited with other dogs just prior to his frustration
> in being unable to get to them and then he'd nip at the other
> two.
>
> I'm thankful I already had a deep mistrust of Mojo's reliablility
> around children and the overly responsible mindset that I
> had with him in keeping such a sharp eye on him or it most likely
> would have ended in tragedy.
>
> So yup, what you say here is so true:
>
> The problem comes when people think that having
> the kid in a playpen means the kid is safe
BWEEEAAAHAHAAA~!~!~!
HOWEDY dogsnuts,
dogsnus wrote:
>
> Recently I've been entertained by the extreme differences of
> behavior between both Sheps when I apply the identical head
> fondle on them.
Naaah?
> The head fondle is when I place both hands on either
> side of their face,
Kinda like when you scold them.
> and gently rub my hand back and forth and at the same time
> use a small left to ride back and forth movement and talk
> to them softly in my "you're the bestest dog in the world" voice.
That's kindly of you.
> Mojo goes all dreamy instantly. His eyes half close, his mouth
> opens into a shep smile, tongue out, tail gently waving or thumping
> for a minute then he gets into it so much the tail goes limp.
You mean he submits to you.
> Eventually he'll flop over completely relaxed and ready
> for either sleep or belly rubs.
Yeah, SUBMISSIVE behavior.
> Luke, OTOH, is a hoot. He begins to moan, groan and wiggle.
That's ANXXXIHOWESNESS.
> Out of four GSDs he is the most vocal one I've _ever_ had.
> He gets extremely talkative and "speaks" to me in whines of
> varying pitches of aroos, mumphs,and arrrs.
That's EXXXTREME anXXXIHOWESNESS.
> He begins to gently lick my face
That's SUBMISSIVE behavior.
> and starts to get really wired for a bit.
That's anXXXIHOWESNESS - FEAR behavior.
> Eventually he squirms around enough so he can flop his
> front foot over to hook my wrist so I won't quit.
NO. THAT'S to RESTRICT you from HURTIN him.
> He hangs onto it as long as he can then he gets ready
> to "assume the position" which around here means: Belly
> Rubs! Let the Belly Rubs begin!
NO. That's SUBMISSIVE behavior.
> Taffy is somewhat different as well, she falls asleep with her
> head on my hand expecting me to stay there and hold it while
> she's sleeping.
That's nice.
> What? This IS what p***** for entertainment around here!
Better you should post to kibo.
> Terri
diddler wrote:
"I was in that position once when Becky was hit
by a car when my son left the yard gate open."
Fromdiddy <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:43:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Rural person needs help euthanizing his loving pet.
I think sedating her with benedryl until she was overly sleepy, and
injecting her with Epsom salts IV should cause such chemical
imbalance that it should do the trick.
I'm not sure how humane that would be, It would cause a heart attack.
Well placed gun shots are probably the most immediate, effective and
humane, but then, you said that was not acceptable. Carbon dioxide is
NOT humane.. it's slow and agonizing as the other g***** in car
exhaust burn out the lungs causing agonizing death.
Re: Question About Euthanasia - Not For Faint of Heart
"diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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in message news:Xns995C9D28D6616danny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
if you are willing to be trolled. Using firearms
is not the most palatable way to put a dog down, but
sometimes it IS the most humane. For instance. I live
10 miles from a vet not an unreasonable distance for
routine care.
But one day, I was outside the fence in the company of
my dog, when the phone rang inside the house. I ran in
the door, and it was my dad. I said, "Dad, the dog did
not come in with me, I'll call you back"
Not aware that my dog had crossed the road to visit the
children getting off the school bus across the street,
I assumed her to be in her usual haunts, out in the back
pasture or barns.
I called her to come, and called her directly into the
path of a speeding car. She got hit directly on the
license plate and was thrown about 30 yards.
I knew exaclty what had happened, when I heard the
sickening thud, and her screams.
I rushed to her, and saw the blood streaming from her
ears and nose. her mangled little body irreparable. I
knew she was going to die. She quit screaming when I
went to her side. I went to move her, and she started
screaming even louder.
I knew moving her was only causing her greater agony.
She was in enough, and the outcome was not going to be
any better.
I decided to not put her through any more, and I left
her screaming, went in the house, got the handgun, and
returned. I gave her a tearful hug and apology. And I
did the hardest thing I've ever done in my whole life.
I took her pain, and made it my own. She immediately
slumped and went limp, and was silent. Quick. Taking
her to the vet was the poorer alternative.
in later years, I released a dog from the pound. She
was dumped for biting. Knowing that most of the time,
a dog that bites is the child's fault, I brought her
home to see if she was salvageable in a childless home.
She at least deserved an evaluation. She seemed fine,
then the following day, with no provocation, she lunged
for my throat. This was an unprovoked attack, and I knew
there was probably something physically wrong with the
dog (perhaps a brain tumor?) and regardless, she was a
HUGE liability risk, and I could never place her.
So I took her to the vet for euthanasia.
The vet kept sticking her for 15 minutes, and it was the
ugliest screaming death I ever witnessed.... until I had
my old 18 year old companion diagnosed with systemic
organ failure. Her old body wore out. I took her to the vet.
Apparently poor circulation caused her not to use the
euthanasia shot properly. The vet kept giving her one
shot after another, and she dies a slow agonizing death,
screaming, and looking at me in betrayal and dismay.
I wanted to grab her from the vet, and take her home,
and shoot her. It would have been over faster.
Then I took Danny in for Euthanasia. The best dog I've
ever had. The vet stuck him, and he went down HARD,
screaming.
He screamed for about 10 minutes.
If a vet was going to get a dog right, this one he HAD
to, and he didn't. I was furious. I'm forever sorry I
took him to the vet, but the violence of shooting him
was just unnacceptable to me.
These are THREE different vets.
I've witnessed hundreds of vet euthanasias that went
uneventfully. But those THREE failures stick forever
in my mind. Two on dogs very near and dear to me.
If I could accept the violence and had the fortitude
to do the job myself, those dogs would have never
needlessly suffered. A bullet properly placed is quick
and final.
Perhaps the OP has had not so good experiences, and
just wants to be sure the job is done right. I don't
necessarily consider them a troll (however I strongly
suspect that they are, and if they have to ask what
caliber to use, they probably are not a good enough
shot that they should attempt this)
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