"sighthounds & siberians" <greyhound@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jun 10, 1:40 pm, Rocky <3d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >sighthounds & siberians <x...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
>> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> >> we have two of the barkiest greyhounds known to mankind.
Barking is a SYMPTOM of anXXXIHOWESNESS.
>> You've mentioned their barkiness before - I've seen Greyhounds
>> play bark, but generally they never struck me as a particularly
>> barky breed. I haven't seen many in their home environment,
>> though.
You can EXXXTINGUISH ANY and ALL anXXXIHOWESNESS
behaviors INCLUDING psychogenic seizures like matt a.k.a. Rocky's
and racetrack silly's DEATHLY ILL dogs got NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by
PRAISING your dog and BRIEFLY, VARIABLY, ALTERNATELY, NON PHYSICALLY
distracting and INSTANTLY praising for 5-15 seconds and of curse, PRAISING
IN ADVANCE.
LIKE THIS:
From: Jenn (d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-10 12:42:34 PST
Hi Lynn,
I used to have a barking problem with my German
Shepherd Dog a couple of years ago. I tried several
things recommended to me by different trainers, and
nothing was working.
When I read that section of Jerry's Manual,
I thought the same way you did.
"What???? PRAISE her for barking?"
It sounded counterproductive, but I had
tried everything else I'd heard so I thought
I'd try it too.
Next time she went nuts at a person walking
by outside, I told her, "Good job! Good girl!
You are such a good protector!" And instead
of continuing the barking, she came to me for
a belly rub!
She will still bark (she's a guard dog, that's
her job), but after one bark, she knows she's
done her job to warn me by my praise, and
she stops.
Your mom's dog *does* think that those dogs
are going to come through the tv and get her
mummie.
If your mum tells her in a happy voice,"good
girl! I see them! Good job!" I really think she'll
just think her job is done now and she won't
have to keep barking.
Jenn
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"Estel J. Hines" <ejhi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Until i read the Jerry method of Bark reductioon,
it went something like this with our 11 month old
puppy "Yo****"
Yo****: Bark, bark,
us: HUSH You****
Yo**** Bark, bark......................
us: Hush You****
Yo**** BARK, BARK, BARK, .................................i
it stopped when Yo**** got tired barking
We decided to try the Jerry method:
Yo****: BARK, BARK
US: GOOD Yo****, Good Boy, who is it?
Yo**** Bark, Bark
US: It's ok, good boy Yo****, We know them
Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that
I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
can praise him, to deal with things like this
Thanks Jerry
ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
Papers, and learn how to live with our son
"Yo****", whom we love very much.
--
Best Regards,
Estel J. Hines
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AND LIKE THIS:
Dave Cohen <coh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
Hi.
Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have
spoken with him briefly once by email.
I have no stake or interest in the success of his business.
I simply want to thank him publicly for one of his tips, with
regards to separation anxiety.
I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed animal
and then say good bye to my own dog, but I am usually a
very open minded person, so I tried it.
Well, lo and behold-the damn trick worked!
I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic.
Thank you Jerry!
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AND LIKE THIS:
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
Hello.
I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
I never trained or owned a dog before this
year.
I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.
Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.
I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.
I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.
A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.
We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he is very eager to accept our love.
So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.
His method worked for us.
I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.
Florence
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> It generally is a very quiet breed, not barky at all. They love to
> sing, of course. And if you walk into a racing kennel, you're likely
> to be greeted with a lot of barking, particularly if the dogs think
> it's anywhere near feeding or turnout time. But most greyhounds in a
> home environment do not bark. I happen to be, ah, blessed with two
> very unusual greyhounds. A genetic glitch of some sort, I think.
Naaah, that's BUNK. racetrack silly GOT THE SAME PROBLEM:
From: sighthounds etc. <greypigho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:18:01 -0500
Local: Fri,Dec 6 2002 10:18 am
Subject: Re: BTW, Who am I
I don't know that Sibes generally go home on their own;
many don't, or they wouldn't end up in shelters. I don't
know if it's coincidence that one of our permanent Sibes
did this and one of our fosters did too. But I think
Siberians *can* find their way home, at least based on
my experience, where Greyhounds apparently usually can't.
I don't know why Greyhounds can't; I guess it doesn't
occur to them to use their noses to sniff their way
back home. Of course, Greyhounds often are several
miles away from home by the time they stop and consider
what they're doing. In our case, it took our Siberian
to find our Greyhound.
doG knows what would have happened to Matty if
not for Tasha, since he wouldn't come to us.
Guess we would have had to try darting him.
Invisible fences should not be used (except as
reinforcerment for normal-height fences ) with
northern breeds and sighthounds, period.
Sally Hennessey
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From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:48:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Fencing
It's astounding. We used livestock electric fence
at the bottom of our fence some years back because
of a certain digging husky with wanderlust. This
was fairly new electric fencing, the shock was mild,
said husky touched it any number of times, and I can
guarandamntee you it didn't do anything horrible to
her body or her mind.
If I live to be 100, I will never understand the
mentality of people who have no knowledge of a
subject but still feel free, apparently compelled
even, to opine on that subject.
When it's people in another country,
it's nothing short of mind-boggling.
Mustang Sally
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EXXXCESSIVE barking is CAUSED by jerking choking
crating and shocking dogs.
LIKE THIS:
"Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.
I'm starting to see some similarities here.
Sally Hennessey
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:23:46 +0100
Local: Mon, Apr 9 2001 5:23 am
Subject: Re: shock collars
Sally Hennessey <greyho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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from being incredibly offensive and self-righteous,
this post shows and absence of knowledge in the differences
in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps a lack of ability to perceive
same. The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to whom
corrections and discomfort, even pain, were unim****tant does
not mean that such dogs do not exist.
What it means is that you don't know as much about dogs
as you think you do, and you surely don't know a damn
thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.
I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with one
of her housemates; that dog had no fear or anything,
and pain incurred during a fight meant nothing to her.
I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories. The fact that you,
Alison, continue to say things to people such as what
you said to Theresa about causing her dog to suffer
(at least I guess that's what you meant by "you cause
your dog suffers" - - must be the King's English you
guys talk about over there) means that you are an
ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person who is not worth
further notice.
Sally Hennessey
From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:48:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Fencing
It's astounding. We used livestock electric fence
at the bottom of our fence some years back because
of a certain digging husky with wanderlust. This
was fairly new electric fencing, the shock was mild,
said husky touched it any number of times, and I can
guarandamntee you it didn't do anything horrible to
her body or her mind.
If I live to be 100, I will never understand the
mentality of people who have no knowledge of a
subject but still feel free, apparently compelled
even, to opine on that subject.
When it's people in another country,
it's nothing short of mind-boggling.
Mustang Sally
From: sighthounds etc. <greypigho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:21:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Stop Barking Products
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:07:02 -0600, Katra
<K...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>"sighthounds etc." wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:50:59 -0600, Katra
>><K...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Sorry, I don't hang out here enough anymore
> to recognize the morons... :-) Except for Jerry.
They can be difficult to recognize when they pretend
to be someone else. It must be a pretty fun game, as
both Jerry and Mikey devote a lot of time to it,
especially when one considers what busy people they are.
> Bark collars are supposed to work pretty well and a good
> one runs less han $100.00. He ought to just try one and
> see if it works. He won't be out much. <shrugs>
There is some controversy about the humane-ness of
citronella collars because dogs' noses are so sensitive.
I've tried citronella collars on our kenneled adoption
dogs, and they didn't appear to be able to figure out
the connection between their noise and the squirt.
>Or keep the dog inside.....
Now that's a pretty foolproof method of dealing
with problematic outdoor barking.
Mustang Sally
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AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GET
PSYCHOGENIC SEIZURES AND FEAR AGGRESSION.
LIKE THIS:
From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:12:56 -0500
Local: Wed,Feb 9 2005 9:12 am
Subject: Seiure land
OK, living in this house is an epileptic Greyhound
that hasn't had a seizure in 3 years, and epileptic
IG that has a seizure (sometimes GM, but inconsistent)
every couple of months or so, a non-epileptic Siberian
that has a GM seizure every year or so, and a very badly
bred Miniature Dachshund that has atypical apparent
seizure activity at irregular intervals (but once on
the same day the IG had one). So half an hour ago, I
hear strange cat howling noises from the kitchen, and
upon investigating, there's Dolce having a tonic seizure
on the kitchen table.
It must be the house.
Mustang Sally
From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:27:02 -0500
Local: Fri,Jan 21 2005 8:27 am
Subject: Re: Bullmastiff bullies my Stafford****re Bull Terrier
That is just *exactly* what I was going to say.
I had one aggressive female (Dal) and a dominant
female that would die before she'd back down (Sibe).
We tried just about everything, and had we kept
them both, I am convinced that one would have
killed the other. These were fights that caused
injuries every time.
Mustang Sally
From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 12:11:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Mojo,Luke and Taffy update
If we had known that the vet was going to treat it
as MMM regardless of the biopsy results, we'd never
have put Tasha through that. Specialists are great
and all that, but I think he did a lot of tests just
because he could.
That internist is gone from our vet's practice now,
and at first I was sorry, but now I'm not so sure.
Yesterday I took Abby the kitty in because I thought
she might be hyperthyroid. She isn't, but she probably
has IBD.
I asked the vet how they'd treat it, and he said
that if the specialist were there he'd scope her
and then they'd treat with prednisone. Since the
specialist isn't there, he's going to treat with
prednisone because she has the symptoms (she's
also 15, and I wouldn't want to put her through endoscopy).
From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 10:57:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Fear aggression
While most of my dogs are well-behaved when left
alone unconfined, my Whippets are not, and it is
simply not possible to sufficiently proof' my home
from dogs that can jump baby gates and get onto
tables and counters when no one is home.
No, of course they don't do that when we're
home, but they sure do when we're gone.
They aren't really destructive, though my female that enjoys
chewing up plastic, but they're very food oriented, and their
definition of food differs from ours, so they're crated for
their own protection. I've found crate training to be very
useful when a dog is ill or injured and needs to be confined
for medical purposes; and this happens more often than you
might think.
I hate to spoil the image of cruel Americans locking up their
dogs in boxes all day, but, well, it's BS, so there you go.
To the OP: it's very difficult to say what's going on with
your dog without observing him. I've had several very fearful
dogs, one of which had some minor fear aggression when she felt
absolutely trapped, but this resolved on its own as she became
more confident.
If there are specific things which trigger Sunny's fear aggression,
you could work on desensitizing her to those things, but in general,
I think you need either a behaviorist or a very good trainer who
deals with aggression problems.
Mustang Sally
"After Numerous Training Cl*****, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness."
From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:43:17 -0500
Subject: Re: New dog, need reassurance
The owner is the critical thing though - - you set the rules,
you decide what's acceptable, your attitude conveys that to
your dogs.
We currently have two males that really don't get along.
To minimize stress for animals and humans, they are kept separate.
No amount of training or alpha attitude is going to change
how they feel about each other, but they won't go after each
other if DH or I is/am present.
They will we're not around, though.
Mustang Sally
"After Numerous Training Cl*****, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness."
From: greyhound <x...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:10:07 -0500
Subject: Re: your dog's breed
I don't know about yours, but all the Siberians
we've had maintain some degree of aloofness.
They're affectionate, sleep on the bed and all
that, but they're always independent. When a
Sibe gets clingy, it's a good indication that
something's wrong. As ours age, though, they
become a bit less independent.
A couple of weeks ago, Tasha, who was on the bed,
crawled over and curled up right next to me, almost
on top of me, and cuddled. She was trembling a bit,
and I thought she might be about to have another
seizure, but the moment passed. I imagined calling
the vet: "I need to bring Tasha in because she's cuddling."
How bittersweet that you and Duncan bonded more
toward the end of his life than in the years before.
He always knew who he loved and trusted, and when he
felt himself failing, you're what he wanted.
Hope you're feeling better.
Mustang Sally
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"After Numerous Training Cl*****, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and I
know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.
Perhaps you can't see the connection between jerkin chokin
shockin an surgically ***ually mutilatin innocent defenseless
dumb critters and lockin them in boxes and ignoring their
cries and causin them to be AFRAID and ATTACK other
dogs an kats and DIE from cancers and collapsed tracheas
and have psychogenic seizures and cruciate ligament failure
and endocrine system DIS-EASES, a.k.a. The Puppy Wizard's
Syndrome, and human mental illness??
Here's racetrack silly who is president of the board of a
"SHELTER" which GETS PAID by the state to MURDER
67% of their "RESCUE" dogs and LIES abHOWET it:
From: lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tues, May 24 2005 3:06 am
sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> On 23 May 2005 10:41:59 -0700, TheAmazingPuppyWizard
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > HOWEDY racetrack silly,
> > sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> >> On 21 May 2005 19:23:51 -0700, dinglejingl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> >> <major snippage>
>
> >> I'm neither a trainer nor an expert,
>
> > RIGHT. But you ARE a mentally ill lying
> > dog abusing punk thug coward and president
> > of the GH RESCUE that MURDERS 66% of
> > their RESCUE dogs.
> Are you reading this, Lucy? The above is a flat-out lie.
From:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/msg/b51f2b...
<<It probably wouldn't hurt, and a dose of reality
might be helpful, too. I'm president of the board
of our local shelter. The new board has almost
succeeded in pulling the APL out of financial ruin,
and very soon now we'll be able to turn our attention
to making improvements in our shelter, increasing
adoptions, etc. We are in the largest county in our
state, and it's also one of the poorest. We take in
around 3,000 animals a year and euthanize two-
thirds of them.>>
Nope. No lie. Two thirds=66%. Actually, closer
to 67%. IS that really what "rescue" means, Sally?
Killing 2 out of every 3 dogs one "rescues"?
Geeez!
> Does that matter to you at all, or is it OK for Jerry
> to make up whatever **** he wants to 'sup****t' his
> lunatic claims?
What exactly was "made up" by Jerry, then?
The part about your "mental illness"? Why, you
call him "lunatic", so you're both even on that.
Though I still can't help wondering how "sane"
someone who loves dogs can be when running
a shelter that puts down two thirds of the dogs
it "rescues".
> Mustang Sally (disgusted)
Lucy (likewise)
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