HOWEDY BINACA bethFIST you pathetic miserable
stinkin lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active
accute chronic life long incurable maliganant mental
case and PROFESSIONAL DOG TRAININ FRAUD
an SCAM ARTIST,
"Beth In Alaska" <bethi****@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Pirate is a poop roller.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> <sigh>
"Sigh", BINACA bethFIST? You could TRAIN your dog not
to roll in **** NEARLY INSTANTLY, JUST LIKE HOWE
you'd train your dog not to bark.
Oooops!
Your DEAD DOG Kavik DROPPED DEAD from barkin <{}: ~ ( >
"Beth In Alaska" <bethi****@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message news:13hlhsehahdkv5e@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Actually I think Jerry Howe confuses humans.
INDEED? Oh, you mean by QUOTING you pathetic
miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin punk thug coward
active accute chronic life long incurable malignant mental
case's entire posted case histories, BINACA bethFIST?
> There is no evidence he has any contact with dogs.
Well certainly NOT like HOWE you do:
"Beth F" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
"Hold Back The Dobie Girl So That
Izzy Can Put Simon In His Place."
"Well, actually the binaca worked but after i
got him in the eye it was not a possibility to
be using that."
"Actually, the most common use of this technique
(and it is quite common) is with TABASCO sauce
either mixed with water in a spray bottle or on a rag
that you can stick in the dogs mouth instead of spraying
(after our experience I would suggest this method if I
was going to use this technique again). My dog likes
tabasco so that didnt' work for us.
Binaca was suggested as an alternative from a very
well respected dog trainer from the lower 48, however
I don't think she counted on his flailing his head in a
desperate attempt to get away from the sprayer causing
me to miss."
"Whatever motivates the dog, but I daresay most
of the dogs I have in cl***** just aren't that interested
in praise."
"I dont' jerk or choke my dog (the little one is
too little yet for a pinch collar). They simply
wear pinch collars. It prevents any jerking or
choking on their part."
"My dog in particular will ignore the citronella if he
feels making noise is VERY im****tant (for example
this week walking through the state fair he kept barking
away, and didn't even seem to notice) but was WAY
freaked out by the low setting on the shock collar."
"i didn't EVER shock kavik. i myself have never
touched a shock collar."
"Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away
is to step on him once. Seriously."
"BethF" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "Chris Mortimer" <chr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:3dc0e5bb$0$18849@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> snip
Chris, why dont' you give one example where one
of the regulars here has suggested someone hit,
alpha-roll, choke-chain a dog?
"BethF" b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Kyle, FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
and i often call my little dog the turd, because
he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
would insult my dog like that so i guess its just
a matter of personality.
Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away
is to step on him once. Seriously.
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From: "The Puppy Wizard"
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003
Subject: Treats
From: BethF (d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: For Michael
Date: 2002-07-07 02:08:12 PST
>> I know of three dogs we tried electric shock collars
>> on and both were VERY sensitive and freaked out
>> about the shocks. None of those dogs were phased
>> by the citronella collar, particularly. It was clearly a
>> deterrent but no one behaved as if it was particularly
>> distressing.
>> My dog in particular will ignore the citronella if he
>> feels making noise is VERY im****tant (for example
>> this week walking through the state fair he kept barking
>> away, and didn't even seem to notice) but was WAY
>> freaked out by the low setting on the shock collar.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Whoops, there is more to this post - ok
>
> Here's what's accurate. You shocked, you sprayed
> binaca at your dog's face and were stupid enough
> to be "surprised" that he would desperately try to
> avoid the stinging.
>
> You citronella'd, you undoubtedly choked, at
> some point (denials notwithstanding) and I'm
> sure it got "ugly" many times in six months,
> like like it got ugly for Diddy in the six months
> before she decided to lock a "rescue" dog in
> an electrified horse stall to keep him from
> running away.
actually binaca in your mouth doesnt' sting.
it just doesnt' taste like something kavik likes.
binaca in the eyes is another story.
i didn't EVER shock kavik. i myself have never
touched a shock collar.
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
> FurtherMOORE, you went to GREAT GREAT
> GREAT lengths to blame your folly and ineptitude
> on the fact that your dog was "insensitive" and you
> went to even greater lengths to blame your folly
> and ineptitude on his "breed."
He is insensitive and he is bred to bark. I don't
BLAME any of this on him, i picked out his breed.
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
> The people who are your "mentors" and "gurus"
> are big fat brainless Alaskan sized heifers who
> will try any amount of pain or force to stop a
> behavior because they aren't smart enough to
> accomplish the task in another way.
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
> They taught you well.
Some of the folks at the club do use pain to
train their dogs, but i avoid them.
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
> > so you aren't human!! do tell Michael!
> I believe the technical term is superhuman.
> have a nice day...
I see. Are you like the bionic man?
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From: BethF (d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: to treat or not to treat
Date: 2002-01-14 12:50:27 PST
> "Jerry Howe" <jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
<news:8TI%7.10635$du.948527@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
> > And you jerk and choke your dogs on pronged
> > spiked pinch choke collars lock them in boxes
> > and call that training and spray Binaca in their eyes
> > to quite their crate anxiety barking...
I dont' jerk or choke my dog (the little one is
too little yet for a pinch collar). They simply
wear pinch collars.
It prevents any jerking or choking on their part.
I do crate my dogs - the big one only at the dog
club and to travel, and the little one so he can
become accustomed to being in a crate.
He is learning to enjoy it and to use it as a place
to rest from the playing that he and Kavik do
..
I used binaca to quiet Kavik's in class whining
that disturbed the class. It would be quite difficult
to binaca a dog that is in a crate.
I did hit him in the eye accidentally, and stopped
using it at that time. Jerry, have you NEVER made
an error in training the dogs you have trained?
How many dogs have you trained exactly?
Can you list some references here - I
would like to contact some of your former
clients to get a reference or two?
> > > "Andy" <behm_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > > news:40a09641.0201091948.784898cb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > I am just trying to see everyone stands
> > > > on treats or rewards for obedience?
> > > > Andy
> > "BethF" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > news:u3uajqi2ncoc48@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > I treat.
> > > --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop
> > > Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss,
> > > Trek R200, Kickbike
> > > Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy)
> > > Anchorage, Alaska
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
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From: BethF (d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
Date: 2001-09-04 13:09:25 PST
Actually, the most common use of this technique
(and it is quite common) is with TABASCO sauce
either mixed with water in a spray bottle or on a rag
that you can stick in the dogs mouth instead of spraying
(after our experience I would suggest this method if I
was going to use this technique again). My dog likes t
tabasco so that didnt' work for us.
Binaca was suggested as an alternative from a very
well respected dog trainer from the lower 48, however
I don't think she counted on his flailing his head in a
desperate attempt to get away from the sprayer causing
me to miss.
His vet reassured me that the binaca could do no
serious damage, nor did it seem to hurt him badly -
he just wiped his eye for a minute or so until I rinsed
it out (which he seemed more pissed about than the
actual spray).
We went to the vet immediately who called me a
jewish mother and sent us home.
but I think that your *****sment of to handle barking
is based on your non-barking breeds - in some dogs
the drive to bark is REALLY big, and it takes some
big time discouragement to get rid of it.
To be quite frank after trying months and months
of different techniques the binaca was the only
thing that worked.
I wouldn't discredit the concept (although I do
most certainly discredit the binaca sprayer as
a good idea in case of issues like mine)
--
-Beth, Pseudo usenet cop
Subject: Re: Mr Huffy-Puffy needs an attitude adjustment
"Beth In Alaska" <bethi****@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message news:13hlhok22jbfl2a@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
's so much less balls to the walls than my friends GSD
that I have trouble seeing the comparison. She's also not
cuddly - she's a bit aloof like Kavik was before Tok. And
pirate is a love sponge.
But honestly my experience with GSDS are limited to my
friends (the one who bit me) and Rex dog, who I got at age
11 and who was terribly poorly socialized and trained and
was bizarre.
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Subject: Mr Huffy-Puffy needs an attitude adjustment
"Beth In Alaska" <bethi****@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message news:13hj1vglas8kpba@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
has his first nickname: Mr Huffy-Puffy.
Sometimes when he is on the bed, and someone moves-
maybe near him, maybe not, he will ***** and complain .
Its not quite a growl, its not a bark. It seems like a *****.
sometimes he goes from *****ing to playing quickly so
maybe its NOT *****ing. No sign of nipping or biting
during the *****ing.
Since I'm not sure what it is, we've mostly ignored it
(except to say "Oh cut it out Mr Huffy-Puffy") but if
it IS *****ing, maybe I should extinguish it - better
safe than sorry. He is a dog whose very mouthy, so
I would say nipping is in the realm of possibility.
I thought that a very simple, and appropriate way to extinguish
this would just be to put Mr Huffy-Puffy on the floor if he
"*****es". Takes him away from whats making him *****y and
doesnt' encourage the behavior.
what do you think?
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002
Subject: Re: 3 puppies bro and sisters fighting [ninny BethFat]
Jerry Howe wrote:
> HOWEDY Binaca bethFIST,
> "BethF" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:ut54bk3o81tp29@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Why don't you return one of the puppies?
> Geez Binaca bethFIST. As a dog trainer, you'll put
> yourself right outta business like THAT. Makes my
> job EZ, don't it. But NO THANK YOU Binaca bethFIST.
> Your advice is ill founded. FurtherMOORE, you're a
> liar and a dog abuser, Binaca bethFIST.
> > Raising three puppies is going to be quite difficult.
> Only if you punish confine hurt and intimidate them as
> you and your lying dog abusing Thug coward pals do.
> > Especially two female littermates.
> Because you don't know HOWE to train dogs not to
> fight, Binaca bethFIST. That's on account of you're
> a dog abuser, Binaca bethFIST.
> > I gather that two female littermates often
> > have aggression issues later,
> INDEED. They LEARN that from their ABUSERS.
> > so I would suggest returning one of the females.
> The dogs are FINE, Binaca bethFIST. It's YOU who
> has to GO, Binaca bethFIST. You're a liar and a
> dog abuser.
> > "dorothy" <adair...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > news:7965f1a8.0211130924.4ef88c31@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > hi im new here and i just got threee new puppies. one male two
> HOWEDY Binaca bethFIST,
> "BethF" <b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:uss69ad1bav578@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > "Jim Simas" <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > news:3DCD49FD.1000009@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Alison,
> alison is a cretin, like you, Binaca bethFIST.
> > > She lives outside.
> NO PROBLEMO. Dogs LIVE outside, they're ANIMALS.
> > > But is in the house part of the day.
> NO PROBLEMO. Dogs are versatile and
> EZily habituated to our desires.
> > > She usually barks in the morning.
> NO PROBLEMO. That's EZ to break.
> > > I think to tell us she wants in or some attention.
> NO PROBLEMO. We'll break the barking in a few
> minutes over a day or two.
> > > I tell her to stop but it usually doesn't do any good.
> RIGHT. Dogs DON'T LIKE being told "NO!"
> > jim, then why don't you let her in AND give her attention,
> Because that doesn't suite his lifestyle, Binaca bethFIST.
> > that way you could be sure the barking would stop
> Because YOU can't train a dog not to bark, Binaca bethFIST.
> At least, you can't train a dog not to bark without HURTING him.
> That's what you use the Binaca eye spray for..
From: michael <c...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:58:12 GMT
Subject: Re: 3 puppies bro and sisters fighting [ninny BethFat]
I got nothin' MOORE to add Jer. As usual, you hit all the
bases with our one and only Queen of Avoidance and
Incompetence, BethFat.
She gets OFFENDED whenever somebody shows up here
with a behavior problem. "Why don't you get rid of a dog?"
She can't believe that people actually DEAL with dog behavior
problems instead of AVOIDING them.
But she don't ignore barking from her "little turd" Kavik.
She shocks, scolds, screams, chokes, prongs, citronellas and
does whatever it takes, for months and months until Kavik is
sufficiently psychologically damaged that he's terrified to
do something completely natural.
Bark.
Let's look for epilepsy problems from our pal Kavik in the
future, due to BethFat's constant "Toxic Mommy" approach to
dog berating and abusing. She doesn't "Train" dogs for their
own good. She berates and abuses them so she can avoid
getting EMBARRASSED in front of the dummies friends
and "experts"
BWAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
at her local bumfreakin' nowhere Alaska Dog Training club.
Carry on, Wiz
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Thank You, Soup <{}: ~ ) >
LUCKY THING Kavik DROPPED DEAD from BARKIN
Let's go here, shall we?:
Subject: Re: the one-dog two-dog dilemma
<compton.chris08@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:
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> > "Beth In Alaska" <bethi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > wrote in message news:13d7fqvgiv5cj66@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >> "Tara" <notha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >>news:Xns999A13CF579DCtaragreen2verizonnet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > "Beth In Alaska" <bethi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
> >> > news:13d7ah6qvnggf1c@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >> >> I'm really torn about getting another dog. Life is easier
> >> >> with one, but I'm thinking its better for Tok to have
> >> >> company when we work.
>
> >> >> Whats your opinion?
>
> >> >> And I'm considerinng putting out on the alaska dog
> >> >> people list to "borrow" a dog for a week and see how
> >> >> Tok feels. Is this stupid?
>
> >> > Wait.....what did I miss.
>
> >> > We're missing a Kavik. Did a sad thing happen?
>
> >> > Tara
>
> >> Kavik died very suddenly when we were on vacation in july.
>
> >> Apparently, he probably had a blood clot in his brain and
> >> he died instantly. Been very difficult not only because he
> >> was young and healthy, but because we weren't here.
>
> > Oh Beth, I'm so very sorry to hear about Kavik.
>
> > It's understandable how devastated you feel about not being there.
>
> > How tragic.
>
> toks never been without a dog in his whole life .
>
> And he loves dogs. And he gets along with ALL dogs. But
> finding a dog that meets my "child friendly" standards isn't
> going to be easy. And one dog is more mobile - like I can
> walk tok and push a stroller at the same time. but not two
> dogs.
First, walking two trained dogs is no problem. Using a
tandem lead to "split" your leash. Walk your dogs a few
times without strollers, and you'll see.
Second, finding a dog that's child friendly is not impossible.
There's a lady who runs German Shepherd Rescue from
Anchorage. She's very smart & knowledgable.
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HOWEDY BINACA bethFIST,
"Child" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Ok, you guys tell me what you think of this situation:
For SHORE!
> Its summer and we moved into our current home
> in December. The house has a lovely large yard,
> which has a chain link fence on one side. All winter
> long that yard was empty, however the yard now
> sometimes contains a golden retreiver. Boys saw
> the golden once over the winter, but it appeared to
> be afraid to walk in the snow, so it just snarled and
> barked from a path near the house. However, the
> snow is finally gone, so all dogs can run to the
> fence.
> Kavik goes out first and things go fine.
> Dog and he sniffing through fence, wagging tails.
>Toklat is allowed to join them. He runs up
> to fence, tail wagging. Golden attacks fence,
> Tok barks. Kavik then attacks Tok.
Perhaps you should spray him in the eyes again with BINACA.
> He was actually biting him,
IMAGINE? You mean like culprit aka kelly's and suja's
dogs attacking each other? Or do you mean like leah and
liea's dogs attacking other dogs?
Or do you mean like the rest of HOWER
dog lover's dogs attacking each other?
> although did no damage and Toklat
> didn't seem particularly upset about it,
> but it wasnt' play, certainly.
Well, so long as he didn't mind.
> I think Kavik was fearful when the dog attacked
> and became overstimulated and took it out on Tok.
Yeah. She was probably copying your behavior.
> What do you think?
The Amazing Puppy Wizard thinks you should
keep your dogs indoors and only let them HOWET
when there's no neighbor's dogs arHOWEND like
your pal Master Of Deception blankman does to
manage her dog's dog aggression and barking.
OR, you could let them fight it HOWET as you
recommended for Simon and Izzy. Just stand by
with the hose like HOWE tara o. aka tee recommends
if she hasn't MURDERED the dog for turning on her
when she jerked and choked it on her pronged spiked
pinch choke collar to make them friendly.
> Situation is being remedied (working with
> Golden owner) and things are going well.
Yeah. No dHOWET.
That's HOWE COME you're askin for heelp.
> Dogs doing better together.
INDEED?
So you're writing here to tell us you've been SUCCESSFUL!
WONderful!
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Subject: teaching pirate about other peoples stuff
"Beth In Alaska" <bethi****@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message news:13ggu3hf8c9oc06@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
worst habit is that he does not understand
that other dogs bone.toy.ball.snack is NOT his.
Today my friends GSD scared the crap out of him and us
when he came too close to her toy. She tackled him as he
ran away and rolled him with her giant teeth on his little neck.
We were hoping she'd break him of this habit but her reaction
was OVER THE TOP and may or may not have been effective
in teaching him not to touch her stuff. It may also have been
effective in making him frightened of strange dogs for the rest
of his little life.
So other than other dogs correcting what else can i do? I mean,
I can tell him not to touch toks stuff, but....its not the same.
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Subject: Re: Unusual dog problem - Unable To Control
The Environment Enough To Make It Fun
Date: 2002-09-18 14:03:36 PST
HOWEDY Binaca bethFIST,
"BethF" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:uohnj3r4a4e85e@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Maybe that's what we should do - hold back
> > the dobie girl so that Izzy can put Simon in
> > his place.
Suppose one of them loses an eye?
Would that matter to you? It IS only NATURAL.
Ain't it? I mean, nobody can prevent an eye getting
knocked out when we encourage our dogs to fight
to train dogs to be NICE.
Would that be BAD LUCK, or bad training, Binaca bethFIST?
Try spraying a shot of Binaca in his eyes. That
always works for you, don't it Binaca bethFIST?
Don't go away just yet, I want to go over a couple
things with you just so's were CLEAR about where
we're at and where we're goin with all this...
That's about the stupidest thing I can think of.
HOWEver, I KNOW you can think of a myriad
of things STUPIDER to do to a dog and try to
justify it as being training.
Sure it might work, but it's not appropriate under any
cir***stances. You could teach them to attack other
dogs on sight, no PUN intended.
> This sounds like it might help Simon get a clue.
I think if I saw you doin that, I'd have you arrested and
prosecuted for animal abuse, Binaca bethFIST.
Perhaps your posts here would be enough for prosecution?
I'll have to look into that.
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"BethF" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "Frank" <flmarc...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:d2f1624e.0206101912.2980eb03@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > dfrntdr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Leah) wrote in message
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>...
> > > "brianev" bria...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > > I ENJOYED reading your book, and
> > > AGREED with what you had to say.
> > > I find it sick to hear what people
> > > do with their dogs.
>
> > Keep in mind that everything he says that
> > the regular posters of this ng do to their
> > dogs are lies.
>
> > All of it. Every last bit.
> All of it?
:
> Ear pinching?
:
> Shock collars?
:
> Spiked chokers?
:
> The regulars lie more in their denials than
> Howe does in his accusing of them.
:
Uh, Frank? Who do you see denying anything?
Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself
would see denials when everyone has Jerry
killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts,
let alone respond to them.
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From: Beth F (d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: citronella collar and ultrasonic trainer
Date: 2002-02-07 11:23:31 PST
On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:23:59 GMT, "Lane Browning"
<rainm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> I agree about the whining, my dog isn't aware
> he is doing it either...it's like a seizure when
> he goes nuts, I can't even make eye contact
> with him, he's on some other planet. NOTHING
> reaches him. no, not a Samoyed. actually a breed
> I researched very carefully....sigh.
I totally understand. And the samoyed thing was a
bit of a joke - Kavik is a samoyed. I sympathize with
you - i received a great deal of hostility for not getting
my dogs barking and whining under control at the dog
club - apparently, I wasn't trying hard enough.
I was given many different techniques to try from
treating when quiet, from teaching bark-nobark
and treating, from aversives (binaca and tobasco)
and NOTHING worked.
Well, actually the binaca worked but after i
got him in the eye it was not a possibility to
be using that.
Even yesterday Kavik and Toklat and I went
for a four mile walk. IT took about an hour.
In that hour Kavik barked basically the entire
time.
Not AT anything, not because he was
insecure, unhappy or any of the other
reasons folks here are going to tell me
that dogs bark - he barked for sheer joy.
BARK BARK BARK, I AM WALKING YAY BARK.
I actually timed the amount of time he wasn't
barking and it was a total of 7 minutes in 58
minutes. And because its outdoors, and in a
place where folks aren't sleeping, I don't worry
about it -its a good outlet for his bark drive.
I also don't correct him when we are skiing - but
if we go fast enough, the barking stops!!
In any case, for places where its really inappropriate
for him to bark - in the car when i am not present, or
in the dog club in his crate when i am teaching, he
wears a citronella collar.
He understands that when he is wearing it, he shouldn't
bark, at this point. He doesnt' even test it anymore. And
I have been able to leave the collar off most of the time
lately - he has learned that he shouldn't bark when left
alone in the car at people or while in the crate.
I believe both of these are "boredom barks" - barks to
entertain onesself. However, if i am very lax about the
collar and he doesnt' wear it for several weeks while in
these situations the training wears off - so basically
i do it randomly - once in awhile he wears the collar as
a reminder.
Quite frankly, I much preferred this method of training
to MY applying the aversive - i am not the bad guy and
he is completely in control of the correction.
Clearly he understands what causes the correction.
And I am not counting on my own powers of timing
and accuracy to create the correction.
--
--BethF, Anchorage, AK
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AND THEN Kavik DROPPED DEAD from a brain hemorhage
when he BARKED HISSELF TO DEATH from "separation
anXXXIHOWESNESS" while bein boarded.
Dogs bark cause they're anxiHOWES AFRAID
and INSECURE from being locked in boxes and
jerked and choked on pronged spiked pinch choke
collars and shocked and stepped on and sprayed
in the face with aversives, not cause they're being
little TURDS and HAVIN FUN.
From: Beth F (d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: citronella collar and ultrasonic trainer
Date: 2002-02-07 11:23:31 PST
On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:23:59 GMT,
"Lane Browning"
<rainm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>I agree about the whining, my dog isn't aware he is
>doing it either...it's like a seizure when he goes
>nuts, I can't even make eye contact with him,
>he's on some other planet. NOTHING reaches
>him.
>
>no, not a Samoyed. actually a breed I researched
>very carefully....sigh.
I totally understand. And the samoyed thing was
a bit of a joke - Kavik is a samoyed. I sympathize
with you- i received a great deal of hostility for not
getting my dogs barking and whining under control
at the dog club - apparently, I wasn't trying hard
enough.
I was given many different techniques to try from
treating when quiet, from teaching bark-nobark and
treating, from aversives (binaca and tobasco) and
NOTHING worked.
Well, actually the binaca worked but after
i got him in the eye it was not a possibility
to be using that.
Even yesterday Kavik and Toklat and I went for a four
mile walk. IT took about an hour. In that hour Kavik
barked basically the entire time. Not AT anything, not
because he was insecure, unhappy or any of the
other reasons folks here are going to tell me that
dogs bark- he barked for sheer joy. BARK BARK
BARK, I AM WALKING YAY BARK. I actually timed
the amount of time he wasn't barking and it was a
total of 7 minutes in 58 minutes. And because its
outdoors, and in a place where folks aren't sleeping,
I don't worry about it -its a good outlet for his bark drive.
I also don't correct him when we are skiing -
but if we go fast enough, the barking stops!!
In any case, for places where its really inappropriate
for him to bark - in the car when i am not present, or
in the dog club in his crate when i am teaching, he
wears a citronella collar. He understands that
when he is wearing it, he shouldn't bark, at this
point. He doesnt' even test it anymore. And I have
been able to leave the collar off most of the time
lately - he has learned that he shouldn't bark when
left alone in the car at people or while in the crate.
I believe both of these are "boredom barks" - barks
to entertain onesself. However, if i am very lax
about the collar and he doesnt' wear it for several
weeks while in these situations the training wears off
- so basically i do it randomly - once in awhile he
wears the collar as a reminder.
Quite frankly, I much preferred this method of
training to MY applying the aversive - i am not the
bad guy and he is completely in control of the
correction. Clearly he understands what causes the
correction. And I am not counting on my own powers
of timing and accuracy to create the correction.
--BethF, Anchorage, AK
"BethF" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> In article <uq0uk8h376r...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, BethF
> <b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > I am unsure if the dog wants to "kill" the cat or just see it.
Unless we have seen him attack viciously an animal while
doing this bark I wouldn't assume its aggression, it may just
be excitement.
how long have the cat and dog been together now?
> It's been 3 weeks so far.
This is a really short time, and I suspect since the dog has
lived with cats previously, he will be able to live with one now.
> The cat will at times come out on his own. He's beginning to
> learn the safe zones, when the dog is on the leash or in his crate.
>
> But it's coming along very slowly, and the cat is almost i
> mpossible to work with now because he ignores food reinforcers
> whenever the dog is visible or audible. Speaking to the cat often
> occasions barking by the dog, so it's a tough cycle to break, short
> of putting one of them outside the house, which is impractical for
> the sort of "catch 'em being good" incidental training that I like to
> always have going.
Ok, so you are a clicker trainer and you want to solve this
with reward. I have the feeling in time it will work its way
out, but in the meantime I would concentrate on the reward
of the dog for not behaving like a freak.
The cat will calm down enough where you have a reasonable
threshhold (it might be in the next room, but the dog might be
audible and not visible) to work with with the cat.
I think you just need patience, and to keep that
dog on a leash alot of the time.
Does the cat have claws???
> Yes, but he probably won't use them with the dog unless
> he's cornered. He tries to escape first. And since the dog
> just had surgery (and we don't want him or the cat hurt
> otherwise), I'd rather not find out what the dog would do
> should he get a swipe or two from the cat :)
Sometimes positive punishment (i.e. a cat swipe)
is a very quick way to learn ;-)
I think that you might join one of the yahoo clicker groups
and pose your questions there - pat miller of peacable paws
often comes up with some pretty innovative desensitization ideas.
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Sometimes a kat swipe can knock out a dog's eyes...
Sometimes even a small dog can kill a kat...
Sounds like this is a good time for a Binaca Blast,
wouldn't you agree, Binaca bethFIST?
The Amazing Puppy Wizard sez you can't post
here abHOWETS noMOORE cause you're a dog
abuser a liar a coward and active accute chronic
life long incurable pathetic punk thug malignant
mental case, BINACA bethFIST.
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