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"Handsome Jack Morrison" <handsomejackmorrison@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:49:54 -0400, "kat" <katlat24@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
>
> [...]
>>> And if you check around, you'll find beau coup sites like this one:
>>> http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfm
>>
>>I'll check that out.
>
> Good.
>
>>> It could be the other way around. That cats that are prone to upper
>>> respiratory infections more frequently test positive for FIV
>>> antibodies than cats that don't.
>
>>Well it would stand to reason that a weakened immune system if a cat
was
>>infected with FIV would be more prone to various infections.
>
> I don't think you understood me.
>
> The various infections and parasitic infestations *first* weaken the
> immune system, and that can cause an FIV-positive response on an Elisa
> test (even with no FIV present).
>
> Like with HIV, for example:
> "Factors Known to Cause False-Positive HIV Antibody Test Results"
> http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/cjtestfp.htm
>
> "All HIV antibody tests are highly inaccurate. One reason for the
> tests' tremendous inaccuracy is that a variety of viruses, bacteria
> and other antigens can cause the immune system to make antibodies that
> also react with HIV."
> http://www.aliveandwell.org/
>
> Same with FIV.
>
> [...]
>>> An FIV positive cannot pass it to another cat through licking, casual
>>> contact, etc.
>>
>>Really?
>
> Check that site I gave you. There are many, many more out there, too.
>
> Again, same with HIV.
>
> I suppose, theoretically, that a FIV positive cat could lick an open
> wound or sore on another cat and pass it along, but casual contact
> wouldn't do it. For example, through cat to cat grooming.
>
> It's got to make it into the blood somehow.
>
> Even then, it wouldn't mean that the cat will ever get Feline AIDS.
>
> Just that it was exposed to FIV.
>
> [...]
>>> Again, it could be that it's just the other way around.
>>>
>>> A cat with frequent challenges to its immune system (Bartonella,
>>> herpes, parasites, fungi, etc.) is more prone to testing positive for
>>> FIV.
>>>
>>
>>Hmm but if it haven't been exposed to FIV it wouldn't test positive for
>>it.
>
> Yes, it certainly could. See above.
>
> [...]
>>> If you can afford to periodically treat those outside cats for
>>> parasitic infestations, upper respiratory infections, have them
>>> vaccinated, feed them nutritious food, etc., they can live normal and
>>> healthy lives.
>>
>>Well they are both neutered have been vaccinated in the past (but aren't
>>currently up to date which will change when I take them in) are fed the
>>same
>>thing as the house cats, haven't had any repiratory infections (I'll
>>probably pay for that remark!) should be treated for parasitic
infections
>>and are already 6 & 7 years of age. We put them in the garage at night
to
>>try and keep them safe from predators and cars. If I had my way they
>>would
>>be inside cats as well but marriage is all about compromise.
>
> Keep that up, and those cats could live just as long as your indoor
> cats, barring run-ins with predators or cars, as you mentioned above.
>
>>> If you take them to the vet, and they're unfortunate enough to test
>>> positive on the Elisa test, and you can't afford to follow up with a
>>> more expensive Western Blot test, or better yet, a PCR (polymerase
>>> chain reaction) test, you may be signing a bunch of unnecessary death
>>> warrants.
>>>
>>> And even with strong confirmation, it would only mean that the cat at
>>> one time was exposed to FIV (thus the FIV-specific *antibodies*), not
>>> that there's active FIV present.
>
>>Is there anything that does confirm active FIV?
>
> It's very hard to do. It would require a blood culture, and then an
> isolation of any actual viruses (with a centrifuge, etc.) Then it
> would have to fulfill all three of Koch's Postulates. To the best of
> my knowledge, that's never been done for FIV.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch's_postulates
>
> "We found one [piece] that contained what looked to be the whole
> virus," says Elder.
> http://www.scripps.edu/newsandviews/e_20030414/elder.html
>
> In other words, they didn't really know if it was an actual piece of
> FIV or of XYZ or of ABC, etc.
>
> [...]
>>Our AC has a higher than average euthanasia rate and our humane society
is
>>small and underfunded. I doubt either one would have treated the
medical
>>problems necessary to prepare him for adoption and I not sure many
people
>>would have jumped on board when they found out he tested positive for
FIV.
>
> Exactly. Which is the number one reason why FIV positive cats don't
> live very long - and then they're usually euthanized.
>
> It's very sad, actually.
>
> --
> Handsome "Jack" Morrison
>
> Hate paying $5 for a gallon of gas? You can thank Al "The Goracle"
Gore.
> <spit>
> http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/19842304.html
>
> At the Official Obama Site: 'How the Jewish Lobby Works'
>
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30241_At_the_Official_Obama_Site-_How_the_Jewish_Lobby_Works
>
> "Global warming", solved!
>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2076607/Sheep-flatulence-inoculation-developed.html
>
> So-called "green" taxes are a con. They have absolutely nothing to do
with
> saving the planet, or changing people's behaviour. It is all about
raising
> revenue. Governments around the world have realised that
environmentalism
> gives them an easy way of squeezing yet more tax out of hard-working
> people.
> And if you object, you are supposed to feel guilty about drowning polar
> bears.
> "Green" taxes also impact most heavily on the poor. This isn't an
> accident,
> it is a deliberate policy.--Bill Carmichael, York****re Post, 31 May 2008
>
> Saudi Montana.
> http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/2008/06/02/saudi-montana/
>
> Skipping science class.
> http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5820.html
>
> So much for "settled science".
> http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/environment/story.html?id=525590
>
> The top ten list of things environmentalists need to learn.
> http://depletedcranium.com/?p=368
>
> New Jason Satellite Indicates 23-Year Global Cooling.
> http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2871
>
> Sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh.
> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23583376-7583,00.html
>
> A book that every American should read (and NYT #1 bestseller): Liberal
> Fascism, by Jonah Goldberg
>
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-American-Mussolini-Politics/dp/0385511841
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