Cindi typed
>> The horse was functioning "properly" at the time of his death. His
>> insulin
>> levels and glucose levels functioned in the desired range. He metabolic
>> system had been function thus for the previous 15 months. He could
walk,
>> trot and canter in pasture. He hadn't worn shoes since February of
2006.
>Not back in work?
No, at that point in his life, I felt he could live out his life as a
companion animal hereabouts, giving the odd "pony" ride, and being his
usual
personable self. He earned a retirement well. He was a most excellent
horse.
>Have you read about peripheral loading? It's bad joo joo especially
>for horses with metabolic issues who are in danger anyway.
Yes, I have read about peripheral loading. I don't think the barefoot folk
have a convincing argument, blaming the loading of the hoof wall on the
founder. In my experience, competent farriers set the shoes so the weight
of
the sole is carried around the edge of the shoe. The hoof wall does not
carry the entire weight of the horse as it lands on that particular hoof.
If you have read Dr Chris Pollitt, you might understand lamanitis/founder
occuring from an imbalance in the horse's system. Even Ramey recognizes
the
connection between diabetic patients and their feet, and IR horses and
their
hooves (quite structurally different between the species, in how they are
used).
>I'm not saying it can't be viewed as at least somewhat beneficial. I
>don't know of any "barefooters" who feel they have to do it. I guess
>you're saying that's because they don't care if the horses are in
>pain, and I'd have to say that as for the ones I know, they don't want
>to be cutting tendons when trimming for a ground parallel coffin bone
>accomplishes the same thing
When the coffin bone is pointing towards the ground, and heading in that
direction, you cannot cut enough hoof to make the bone anywhere near
parallel with the ground. The horse is in pain because the bone no longer
attached to the hoof wall nor the sole. The pain is real.
When you trim, you can only correct so much at a time. It takes a lot of
growth of hoof wall and sole to change the pattern the bone has set in the
hoof capsule.
>> I'm curious how you perceive the horse didn't have an effective trim
for
>> his
>> hooves.
>Well I'd like to see photos and not just radiographs but given the
>fact that his coffin bones were still pointing straight down, I'm
>guessing his trim could have been better.
There is a photo of him taken the week before he founded on the webshots
site mentioned earlier in the thread.
>> How was pain managed in many, many cases the big name barefoot folks
have
>> "cured"?
>I have to say that until you've seen 10 or 20 horses who are laminitic
>trimmed correctly and move off better than they've moved in the last
>however many days/weeks/months, it really is hard to visualize. The
>basic deal is the trim takes away a whole bunch, maybe all, of the
>pain.
So, you are basically saying, there is no pain management for laminitic
horses amongst the barefoot set? Why have I seen so many barefoot
laminitic
horses rocking from hoof to hoof, to relieve the pain?
If you look at various different rads, of horses from non-barefoot web
sites, you will notice, in true sinkers, the bone has move such, trimming
once is not sufficient to place the coffin bone parellel to the ground, so
trimming generally cannot take immediate effect.
>You will find that without fail, most barefoot types do not believe in
>giving bute. I did not. My sinker had previously discovered kidney
>damage and she does not get bute, period, or banamine, unless her life
>is at risk. Her trim is what took care of her pain.
I'm sorry you mare couldn't tolerate bute.
>Boots are used, and the pad inserts for boots to help distribute
>weight bearing and avoid peripheral loading.
Sometime they work and sometimes they don't. I used pads with His
Regalness.
I know a bit about the topic.
>I don't know that the pain is actually that bad when everthing else is
>working... You can read about many horses with coffin bone penetration
>who were trimmed and turned out and who ran and galloped seemingly
>without even feeling any pain at all.
The perfect trim the saves the horse is the kind of thing you read about,
but strangely, never see. I think any horse who as has even minimal
lamanitic changes, be they for whatever reason, is in a heap of pain.
>This is to me just more evidence that his trim was not right, because
>his trim should have relieved his pain. And maybe whatever was
>causing the laminitis was still going on.
His trim was excellent according to Ramey protocols. Both the farrier and
the vet worked together to give the horse the best chance possible.
>. . . Not to be snippy, but there are bigtime endurance riders using
boots,
>and I'm sure if you wanted to, you could find some that work. If you
>don't want to, that's fine too! I know some boots are not very good.
There are no big time endurance riders hereabouts. If there were, I
suspect
they would shoe their horses, otherwise conditioning them would be a
challenge, what with not being able to travel the logging roads.
Travelling
through wetlands is a challenge boots can't stand up to, I'm afraid. I
tried
the Epics and they sucked off in the mud. My life is too short.
>> If his heels had been any closer to level with the ground, he would
have
>> been walking on his heel bulbs. I doubt that would have been a roaring
>> success.
>Weeeeellll..... Some horses go just fine like that. They are supposed
>to bear weight back there, after all.
Um, the bulb is soft tissue, I don't think it is weight bearing, if you
know
what I mean.
Deb
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