On Jul 10, 11:34=A0pm, "Ponai Mahone" <lu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Yes, it means he colics, and he died on the operating table. This
occured=
16
> months after he foundered.
> The attending surgeon assured me there was no connection between the two
> events, and personally,
> I tend to agree with him. The type colic was Strangulating lipoma, if
you
> can somehow tie that to foundering 16 months previously, you can
probably
> make a million bucks with the information.
No, no, of course that type of colic can't be related to improperly
functioning feet.
> The horse was functioning "properly" at the time of his death. His
insuli=
n
> levels and glucose levels functioned in the desired range. He metabolic
> system had been function thus for the previous 15 months. He could walk,
> trot and canter in pasture. He hadn't worn shoes since February of 2006.
Not back in work?
> I
> had a Strassite neighbor, who was famous hereabouts for riding his dead
> lame, barefoot horse at a canter down the middle of the road, tell me
the
> horse had foundered because he had been shod.
Have you read about peripheral loading? It's bad joo joo especially
for horses with metabolic issues who are in danger anyway.
> Your implication of His
> Wallaceness' colic relating to him foundering is just as preposterous.
For that sort of colic, sure.
> The your horse wouldn't have been a good candidate for cutting tendons.
> Horses that rotate and sink are generally successful candidates.
I'm not saying it can't be viewed as at least somewhat beneficial. I
don't know of any "barefooters" who feel they have to do it. I guess
you're saying that's because they don't care if the horses are in
pain, and I'd have to say that as for the ones I know, they don't want
to be cutting tendons when trimming for a ground parallel coffin bone
accomplishes the same thing
> I'm curious how you perceive the horse didn't have an effective trim for
=
his
> hooves.
Well I'd like to see photos and not just radiographs but given the
fact that his coffin bones were still pointing straight down, I'm
guessing his trim could have been better.
> How was pain managed in many, many cases the big name barefoot folks
have
> "cured"?
I have to say that until you've seen 10 or 20 horses who are laminitic
trimmed correctly and move off better than they've moved in the last
however many days/weeks/months, it really is hard to visualize. The
basic deal is the trim takes away a whole bunch, maybe all, of the
pain.
> Did they give bute for the months needed to the hooves to heal
> themselves while nerve endings were exposed?
You will find that without fail, most barefoot types do not believe in
giving bute. I did not. My sinker had previously discovered kidney
damage and she does not get bute, period, or banamine, unless her life
is at risk. Her trim is what took care of her pain.
Boots are used, and the pad inserts for boots to help distribute
weight bearing and avoid peripheral loading.
> After having spend time with a particularly stoic horse and seeing his
> experience, I'm given to thinking many, many horses spend many, many
mont=
hs
> in pain, while their soles regrow. How do the barefoot folks manage
pain?
I don't know that the pain is actually that bad when everthing else is
working... You can read about many horses with coffin bone penetration
who were trimmed and turned out and who ran and galloped seemingly
without even feeling any pain at all.
> From my perspective, the cycle of pain, resulting from foundering, was
> relieved by cutting the tendons.
This is to me just more evidence that his trim was not right, because
his trim should have relieved his pain. And maybe whatever was
causing the laminitis was still going on.
> I think you have missed the point. Avoiding
> having the coffin bone pierce the sole of the hoof is better than any
oth=
er
> option available.
Well, I dunno about that. Guess it depends on what you mean by "any
other option".
> Well, good for Rain. A barefoot trim that worked. Not all are so
successf=
ul.
> Recently, The Big Red Horse sure didn't have a joyous experience without
> shoes. His white line spread, the hoof walls flared. The Ramey trained
> trimmer left the heels and toes much longer than any farrier before or
> since. He shortened his stride on gravel, and was dead lame on logging
> roads.
Sounds pretty wacky. Sorry you had a bad experience with a "barefoot"
trimmer. I have no while line separation and no flare anymore...
> Boots didn't fit effectively and would have been a safety hazard,
> given the riding we do.
Not to be snippy, but there are bigtime endurance riders using boots,
and I'm sure if you wanted to, you could find some that work. If you
don't want to, that's fine too! I know some boots are not very good.
> He is wearing shoes again. He can trot and canter
> again.
:-) Good, I'm glad, seriously. I hope he remains OK and useful for
you for years and years!
> If his heels had been any closer to level with the ground, he would have
> been walking on his heel bulbs. I doubt that would have been a roaring
> success.
Weeeeellll..... Some horses go just fine like that. They are supposed
to bear weight back there, after all.
Anyway...
take care,
cindi
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