Re: sore, sore, sore

On Jun 26, 7:48=A0pm, MA Sandy <sandrabrown_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Jun 26, 7:05=A0am, MA Sandy <sandrabrown_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > The BO and I managed to somehow COMPLETELY miss one shoing cycle of
> > Reason's, so he went almost 12 weeks between shoings. =A0BY some
> > miracle, the shoes held onto the feet of my notoriously bad hoofed
> > Thoroughlystupidbred until the left front let loose overnight Monday
> > (farrier was due on Wednesday.)
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> > Rea was a bit gimpy coming in on Tues am and the BO said he was sore
> > Tues pm. =A0He was three legged lame Weds am, so I gave him a gram of
> > bute and left him in his stall for the farrier to do. =A0Well, when I
> > got there last night (long story, but luckily NOT planning to ride!)
> > he was out in the field laying flat out on his side. =A0BO said he was
> > SO sore on all 4 feet that he almost left HRH in his stall overnight
> > and Reason didn't seem too upset by that prospect (which tells you how
> > sore he was; HRH HATES being in a stall overnight unless absolutely
> > necessary!)
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> > Now, HRH is known to be a tad on the lazy side outdoors and takes full
> > advantage of being the boss out there to ensure he gets PLENTY of flat
> > out on his side snooze time, but this was after 6pm at night and the
> > sun was NOT all that warm. =A0He did a half hearted roll as I was
> > watching him from the bottom of the hill paddock in which he lives,
> > and I figured I had better check him to be sure he wasn't colicking or
> > something else.
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> > Wasn't colicking, but what a chore to get him back up on his feet, and
> > then he REALLY didn't want to move at all. =A0Had a bute last night,
> > will have another this am, but I am a bit worried about this. =A0My
> > first thought is that he is just sore from having his feet so
> > overgrown that he used different muscles, and his soles are sore from
> > having so much overgrown hoof removed. =A0Make sense?
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> > Has anyone else seen this extreme a soreness after an overdue shoing?
> > Sandy
> > (who can be impartial and detached about other's horses in an
> > emergency, which is a good thing in an acting BM, but who turns into a
> > quivering pile of goo when it is my BABY involved!!!)
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> Ok, something I forgot to include in this long novel above, is that
> every time Reason has lost a shoe in the past, he has abcessed. =A0That
> was my first thought. =A0He hasn't been THIS sore with an abcess, but he
> has been pretty painful in the past with them.
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> Then I thought about founder. =A0He and the school horses have been
> locked inside the "dirt" paddock, and not on the big grass field up
> top of the hill. =A0The devil ponies have been sneaking out the opening
> in the fence up there only they can fit through (even though there is
> grass for them to eat out there and the "punishment" is being shut in
> on dirt!!!) so they were out Tuesday for about 5 or 6 hours on the
> grass. =A0So, founder is indeed a possiblity, but that doesn't seem like
> long enough on the grass to have caused that much of a problem.
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> He was up and eating this morning, and was the first horse to the gate
> to come in for breakfast. =A0Only other horse I had that had foundered
> showed NO interest in food while in his accute phase of laminitis.
> So, if he isn't a WHOLE lot better in the morning, I will indeed call
> the vet.
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> Unfortunately, I am at my vet tech job and just got called in for an
> emergency to remove ****cupine quills from yet another dog. =A0Thus,
> partially why my boy has been a low priority today.
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To answer some other questions:

To Catja, I never said I didn't notice he needed shoing, just that he
had fallen through the cracks with spring shoing changes.  His shoes
still were on really well at 6 weeks, so the farrier felt he could go
two more weeks until he was due to trim the ponies and do shoes on
another horse.  He just got kicked out of that day because one of the
mares had come sound enough for us to use this spring, and she needed
shoes to start doing the therapeutic lessons at which she excels!  By
the time we were already into another cycle and we just kept
forgetting to put Reason on the list.  Not good management, I agree,
but of all the horses up there, at that time, he was being ridden
least and we all felt he could wait awhile.

As I said above, he has indeed abcessed when he has thrown a shoe as
he has neared shoing time in the past.  So, I was treating him with
that in mind (with icthamol on the coronary band and NO soaking; new
research says the soaking only helps the human to feel better!!!)
starting Tuesday am when he came in shoeless and gimpy.

He is VERY flat soled and is almost always tender after a shoing, but
only for a day at most.

Laminitis did indeed cross my mind, but the farrier should or would
have seen blood in the lamina, correct?  And as I said above, I have
foundered a horse before, and this really doesn't present the same way
EXCEPT for the laying down bit.

Called BO at home while waiting for the quill dog to arrive at the
hospital and he went down to the barn to go out in the field and check
on my boy.  He left a message on my machine that he is a bit better,
and definitely no worse.  He hasn't seen him lie down at all today,
and he is moving around and grubbing on the little bit of grass in the
paddock.

I will *****s him in the am, and if I feel he isn't getting better, I
will have his vet out.  I hate to do it on a day on which I can't be
there, but I am a surgery tech in the morning and doing the surgery
discharges in the afternoon.  We are SEVERELY shortstaffed there
because two techs are out on maternity leave, so I can't miss work,
since we have VERY few techs trained to do anesthetic monitoring.  I
know, not a good excuse to avoid calling Reason's vet, but we have a
good relation****p with the practice that we get prompt service on
emergency calls because we DON'T call unless it is REALLY something we
can't do treat ourselves.

I know that asking advice of strangers is not generally the first line
of defense, but I really wanted to pick your brains to see if I was
missing something.  I have been around and taking care of horses for
almost 30 years now, and have seen a lot, but every once in a while a
new curve ball is thrown at me!

Since we all appear to be on the same page, I will probably have the
vet out to see what is up IF he isn't a LOT better in the morning.
Sandy