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Re: cont. Parrot worked to Death?

by "M.J." <M.J.@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Oct 24, 2007 at 11:34 PM

"M.J." <M.J.@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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>
> "DebbieK" <dkrug@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
> news:471f67b9$0$7477$88260bb3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> M.J. wrote:
>>> "Dave Bugg" <davebugg2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
>>> news:ZkRSi.139$dy4.60@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>>> It looked as though he had
>>>>> been plucking his feathers. Could this have been from an illness or
>>>>> stress?
>>>> This was a habit picked up long ago, when Pepperberg was seperated
from 
>>>> him for a while. It had nothing to do with his environment.
>>>
>>> Prove it.
>>>
>>> M.J.
>>>
>> http://www.pbs.org/safarchive/3_ask/archive/qna/3293_pepperberg.html
>> Scroll down to question and answer 5.
>
>
> Thanks for the link, I enjoyed reading all the questions and answers.
>
> Unfortunately there is little there to change my beliefs.
>
> A lot of anthropomorphising is going on with respect to ALEX
> as many people assume a birds brain handles mental exercise as
> easily as humans'.  That may not be true and what looks to us
> like play, may in reality be hard and stressful labor for another
> species brain.
>
> With respect to ALEXes plucking ONLY while Dr.Pepperberg
> is traveling, or gone, there may be another grave error being
> commited.
>
> That of mistaking correlation with causation!
>
> It may not be that Alex pluckrd because Dr.Pepperberg was
> gone, presumably the CAUSE being that he missed her, but
> it might be that this was the only time he had to engage in this
> activity.
>
> It is very likely that being engaged and subject to mental
> exercises for 8-12 hours a day ALEX might have simply
> had not time left during the day to engage in plucking.
> (Dr.Pepperberg clearly states that this was his usual workday
> load/routine, during his entire life, i.e.8-12 hours.).
>
> Only when she was gone he had more free time to pluck,
> and what we think is Causation, in reality might be just
> Correlation, with free time for him to pluck (!).
>
> Endless military drills and constant marching exercises
> keep the troops busy and not complaining- everyone who has
> been in the military knows that.  ALEXes 8-12 hour days might
> have had the same effect!


In other words, they might have purposely kept him
busy, 8-12 hours per day, so to accelerate research
and prevent him from having free time, during which he
would pluck.  It is a possibility, as he might have been
to valuable to be retired.  Alternatively, showing off
publicly, with a bad plucker would be terrible PR, as
this video:

 http://youtube.com/watch?v=R6KvPN_Wt8I

M.J.
 




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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-02 00:39:53 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-06 01:47:39 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-06 05:50:57 
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"Peter Hucker"   2007-10-06 15:16:43 
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Bird Lover <nomail@[EM  2007-10-17 21:32:00 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-17 18:44:44 
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Bird Lover <nomail@[EM  2007-10-17 22:29:18 
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xpenenyx@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-10-18 05:57:28 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-18 11:14:20 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-19 07:09:03 
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"Joanne" <Jo  2007-10-19 09:05:18 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-19 14:51:57 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-19 15:06:59 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-19 15:35:56 
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John Hasler <john@[EMA  2007-10-19 17:51:44 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-19 23:28:28 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-19 17:04:01 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-19 17:25:01 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-20 03:30:28 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-20 10:34:51 
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xpenenyx@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-10-20 09:56:46 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-20 21:47:43 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-20 15:26:55 
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xpenenyx@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-10-20 09:35:59 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-19 15:32:19 
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"M.J.Galinski"   2007-10-19 15:55:51 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-19 23:07:51 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-19 16:47:18 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-19 17:01:56 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-19 17:11:04 
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xpenenyx@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-10-20 09:43:52 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-19 16:41:30 
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xpenenyx@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-10-20 09:53:26 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-19 15:28:08 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-19 15:47:12 
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"Wheeler" <r  2007-10-19 15:55:32 
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"Deputy Dog" &l  2007-10-19 23:47:44 
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Bird Lover <nomail@[EM  2007-10-21 19:14:07 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-21 16:33:13 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-21 17:40:34 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-21 18:01:07 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-21 20:47:44 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-21 22:44:16 
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DebbieK <dkrug@[EMAIL   2007-10-24 11:59:24 
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xpenenyx@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-10-24 15:31:44 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-24 14:08:44 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-24 15:51:31 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-24 17:21:00 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-24 14:06:15 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-24 22:12:14 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-24 23:34:33 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-24 17:09:35 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-24 17:30:35 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-24 17:56:25 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-24 18:03:11 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-24 19:26:42 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-24 19:44:05 
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xpenenyx@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-10-25 09:56:49 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-24 17:41:57 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-24 18:02:18 
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xpenenyx@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-10-25 09:58:40 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-25 07:18:56 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-25 09:27:04 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-25 21:07:30 
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xpenenyx@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-10-25 17:48:03 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-25 18:21:14 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-25 18:29:28 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-25 22:09:11 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-25 22:44:35 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-26 08:10:01 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-26 22:59:35 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-26 17:19:15 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-26 17:41:05 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-26 17:51:08 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-26 18:03:55 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-26 18:14:29 
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xpenenyx@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-10-27 08:12:04 
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xpenenyx@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-10-26 13:20:25 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-25 22:32:25 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-25 16:54:36 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-25 18:13:08 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-25 18:28:01 
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xpenenyx@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-10-26 13:03:21 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-25 16:51:33 
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xpenenyx@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-10-25 09:52:42 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-25 07:15:25 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-25 09:13:49 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-25 20:34:21 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-25 13:52:06 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-25 14:51:26 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-25 17:16:54 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-25 18:09:58 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-25 18:26:20 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-25 22:12:33 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-25 22:49:26 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-26 08:28:28 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-26 02:26:13 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-26 09:55:23 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-26 10:06:55 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-26 09:47:58 
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xpenenyx@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-10-26 07:10:22 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-26 10:02:34 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-26 14:00:27 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-26 17:16:02 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-26 17:56:01 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-26 18:12:15 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-26 18:21:07 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-26 18:30:53 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-27 01:51:04 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-26 19:04:32 
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xpenenyx@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-10-27 10:00:41 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-28 02:16:51 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-27 20:14:40 
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skittish <skittish@[EM  2007-10-27 08:59:15 
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xpenenyx@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-10-27 09:48:59 
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skittish <skittish@[EM  2007-10-27 10:41:32 
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xpenenyx@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-10-28 16:25:50 
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skittish <skittish@[EM  2007-10-29 12:12:00 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-24 17:04:34 
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Jester's mummy <cocky2  2007-10-24 20:12:12 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-24 17:22:29 
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Steve <sstevelp@[EMAIL  2007-10-26 13:40:59 
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"Dave Bugg" <  2007-10-26 16:48:40 
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Bird Lover <nomail@[EM  2007-10-21 20:45:50 
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xpenenyx@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-10-22 05:16:00 
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"Peter Hucker"   2007-10-02 19:14:18 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-02 21:43:59 
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"Peter Hucker"   2007-10-03 19:58:59 
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"M.J." <M.J.  2007-10-03 21:33:38 

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