Subject: Interview With Christopher O'B-ian. Part 3 of 3.
Oct. 17, 2008.
This talks about Sadona, Arizona a place where I have and
investigated the area.
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If it's nasty reptoids coming from some other galaxy harvesting
parts to feed themselves or do weird genetic experiments that we don't
stand to gain from, then that would be a negative thing. There's
evidence to sup****t either contention. I really try to keep my
judgmental side out of it and not pass judgment on it saying that it's
one thing or another thing. There are other researchers and
investigators out there who are convinced that this is a very negative
thing and they do cite a body of evidence to sup****t that. However, we
don't know. We really don't know. We don't have enough information to
ascertain--I mean, obviously it's pretty negative for the poor cow and
for the rancher who's out the money. But the agenda behind it, we
don't have enough information to even decide whether it's benevolent
or malevolent. And I don't go out on a limb and say it's one or the
other. It's very perplexing and it's very mysterious. It does have a
veneer of being malevolent, because it is probably one of the only
"b-ood-based" phenomena that we have out here. "Bl-od-based"
paranormal phenomena. A real cattle mutilation to me is a p-ranormal
event.
However, just because it's "blo-d-based" doesn't necessarily mean
it's negative. And I'm not saying that these are all positive entities
going around doing positive things to very unfortunate cattle, not by
any stretch of the imagination. But I'm not willing to say it's the
other way either.
Q. Right. You discuss in the book about how the L-rd's Supper is
"bloo--based."
O'Br-en: Well, the body of C-rist is offered up in the C-tholic
mass. And there's examples of bl-od in rituals all through the Western
esoteric tradition as well as many of the other traditions on the
planet. So, blo-d is something that we do have a tendency to use as
some sort of s-iritual elixir or element in a ritual. The cattle death
phenomenon to me smacks of ritual.
There's something ritualistic about it. And what that is and why it
is, I'm probably the last person you should ask.
Q. Okay. Well, your personal experiences with the paranormal began
when you were a child. And you also talk about many of your own
sightings and even a couple of visitations that happened to you there
in the San Luis Valley.
O'Brie-: Well, I'm not sure what they were. They could have been
visitations. But they sure were weird. I had my little, kind of shadow
things back last week for the first time in a year and a half. Which
kind of shocked me.
I wasn't prepared for it. It's not like something I see every day.
When whatever it is is here, I know it. And I'm very sensitive to
that. However, 99.9 percent of the time, they're not here. So, I do
have something to sort of base my judgment on.
Q. Well, talk about these shadow figures a little more.
O'-rien: Well, it's difficult for me to really convey. They're
shadow-like, but some rippling energy is bouncing off the shadows.
It's very difficult to describe or to give a real accurate visual idea
of what I experience. And it's only been a handful of times. But I do
get a sense of a group of energetic forms that come into the room.
I've only experienced it when I've been in bed with the light off in
my bedroom. The closest I've come to identifying any sort of shape or
form was I could have sworn I saw a shoulder go by at one point. I
feel a tingling sensation when they get very close to me. I've
literally had what I thought was "them" or whatever it is within
inches of my face, and my face starts to break out in a tingle. I
don't know if that's a psychosomatic reaction to my perception or
whether it's a physical manifestation of something. I don't know. When
I was six and a half years old, I had an actual encounter or
visitation by four or five of your typical gray little guys. But I
can't remember their eyes. They're blanked out in my mind. But these
entities followed me around in my neighborhood at three in the
morning. And I have more than enough evidence from the experience to
know that I wasn't sleep-walking, I wasn't dreaming, I was not
feverish or in some sort of possibly hallucinatory state of any kind.
That was a very, shall we say, "riveting" experience for a young kid.
It took my sister a while to find me. When a neighbor called and said
"Your little boy's pounding on our door and seems really frightened,"
it took a bit of time for her to locate me. And I wasn't where I
should have been. I was three houses away. So, something may or may
not have occurred. I've never actually gone and had any sort of
hypno-regression. I guess I'll save that for the second or third book.
(Laughter)
Q. Well, do you ever feel you were "chosen" or predestined to be
part of the San Luis Valley events? And to write, lecture, and appear
on radio and television as part of a larger plan to help make the
reality of the aliens apparent to the general population?
-'Brien: I've entertained the thought, and I've "what-ifed" to
myself more than a few times about that. I choose not to buy into that
particular scenario simply because I do exercise my true will and my
free will. And if my true and free will is involved in some sort of
agenda, I don't know it consciously. Whether I was "chosen" or
predestined, it's very difficult for me to say. I mean, if you had
asked me five years ago what I'd be doing now, the last thing I would
have said would be being on television and writing a book about all
this stuff. So, a certain aspect of it does kind of make me wonder,
let's put it that way. I mean, I felt compelled to do what I did, but
whether that was anything beyond my own personal compulsion, I don't
really know. I can't really say, because, consciously, it doesn't
appear that way.
Q. Well, the Crestone-Baca area in the San Luis Valley has become a
"New A-e Mecca" and is also described as a "doorway between
dimensions" kind of place. Would you care to discuss that perception
of the area and to give us an overview of some of the folklore and
myths associated with it? I'm very interested in that aspect, the
local folklore.
O'B-ien: Oh, so am I. In fact, I think it's intrinsic to any sort of
evaluation or examination of any area. You have to look at the
folklore and the historic traditions that exist in the subculture. And
what's interesting about this area is that it does have quite an
exalted place in the traditions of many Native Americans. It's one of
the only areas on the whole continent where three major groups of
Indians overlapped and shared a particular part of the geography. And
this is the site of the most holy mountain in most Southwest Indian
tribes' tradition. It's the Holy Mountain of the East "where all
thought originates." To the Pueblo Indians, and some of the other
local tribes, it's considered "the place of emergence." Obviously,
this information varies from tribe to tribe and from major Indian
group to major Indian group. But we do have a tradition and an
historic sort of indicator that this area is a s-acred area. And, of
course, when I arrived here, everybody was talking about "****tals" and
"dimensional doorways" and all these things. Whenever I asked them
"How do you know that they're here?" they'd just say, "Well, that's
what I've heard." So, one of my early motivations was to really try to
dig into the perception by people here that this is a holy place where
there are energetic properties that are unusual. These "doorways" and
"****tals," obviously, this was very intriguing. Sedona is another area
that springs to mind that has a similar reputation. That was one of my
driving compulsions--to figure out where did this information
originate, why and is there any basis in fact? And as I found out, the
area does have some highly unusual gravitational and aero-magnetic
areas. And where the two minimum and maximum zones in a particular
area, where they intersect tends to be the scene where a lot of our
paranormal activities is re****ted.
So, my gut tells me that there is an inter-relatedness between the
historic tradition and the possible geophysical energetic properties.
There does seem to be an indication that there's something to that.
And there are other areas. I'm not saying that we're the center of the
Ufological or paranormal universe here. Not by any stretch of the
imagination.
There are other areas scattered around the country that are as
enigmatic, if not more so, in some cases. But it's the combination of
the unusual, geophysical properties with the tradition of sacredness
by indigneous people and, for some reason, military activity. The
military tends to grab areas that are around that s-cred site or that
geophysical energy. We do have the Mi-itary Operations Area here. So,
whenever I see those three components or elements together in a
geographic location, then I automatically assume that there's weird
stuff going on there and sure enough, most of your areas that do
re****t a higher incidence of unusual activity or re****ts of that
nature do tend to have those three elements there, based on my limited
research as an amateur.
Q. Is there anything you wish to add? Is there any question I
haven't asked?
O'Br-en: Well, it's not my intention to scare people and it's not my
intention to "prove" to people that I know what I'm talking about or
anything of that nature. It's just looking at a microcosm of the macro
and really examining it. You know, it's a very difficult place to live
and I'm really hoping that some of the fears of the locals here aren't
realized and that people flood into the area based on their newfound
knowledge of the area. It's extremely rigorous climate-wise and
economically it's one of the poorest areas in the country. So, you
have to be either independently wealthy or really creative. And I've
been accused by some local media on the front range of just trying to
increase the tourist traffic here, which I find pretty funny when I
hear that. Because, quite frankly, I've put myself out on a little bit
of a limb by saying I live in this small little town and writing about
it. You know, I have to deal with that, and for the last four years,
I've had people come from other countries and people chase me down on
job sites and gigs. And in the most unlikely situations, all of a
sudden something pops up. "Hi, I'm from Missouri. Could you show me?"
People expect me to drop everything I'm doing because they're there. I
guess I set myself up a little bit in that regard, but it's something
that I'm dealing with. I think most people do have a sense of
respecting a person's space. So, I'm hoping that I can remain here and
continue living here. I'm working on a second book already. It's going
to be almost a continuation of the first book, but I'm going to look
at some other mysteries that I didn't get into in the first book. I'm
going to dive a little deeper into the Native American information
and into the underground bases that are supposed to be here. And about
using hard science to do surveillance on some particular, very small,
localized hot spots.
So, I'm having a lot of fun. I've gotten some of the historical
stuff out of the way, which did kind of bog me down a little bit. I
had to get into the "Snippy" case and the cattle mutilation wave in
the 70s. And now that I've covered all that ground, it gives me a
little more leeway and I can go in depth in some of the other more
enigmatic things here. The treasure legends. We've got Spanish
treasure maps and multigenerational families that are looking for lost
treasure. There's a lot of interesting stuff here, and I just
scratched the surface with the first book.
THE END
Part 3 of 3.
John Winston. johnfw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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