Subject: Interview With Christopher O'B-ian. Part 2. Oct. 16, 2008.
This talks about the UFOs, sometimes called Orbs that are at
Midway, New Mexico. I've visited there personally and talked with
the lady who runs the center.
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John Keel came up with the idea of the "ultra-terrestrial," some
sort of dimensional-type being that shares our space with us but on a
different plane of existence or different level of existence. There's
so many theories, and there's a lot of evidence to back each one of
them up. However, there's just as much if not more evidence to negate
that particular theory, whatever it might be. So, I really think we
need to broaden our approach as interested investigators and
researchers in to this realm. We need to broaden our approach and to
look at things that peripherally have not been really scrutinized
before by Ufologists or phenomenologists. In my book, I really do try
to get into the Native American myths and traditions and get into the
geology of the area. To look at every single aspect of the area and
don't discard anything. Collect all the information and take the San
Luis Valley as a microcosm of the macro. And the hermtic axiom "As
above, so below" should come into play. If I can figure some things
out on the microcosmic level here in the San Luis Valley, it should
overlay onto the macrocosm of the entire "big picture." And a lot of
people are coming up with theories and running around collecting data
to try to prove these theories and I'm not sure if that's the most
effective way that we can try to solve these last remaining mysteries.
Q. Very good. Well, some of the witnesses describe the helicopters
as being as silent as alien ****ps. Does this somehow imply that the
helicopter phenomenon might be an alien thing and not a human/mi-itary
thing?
O'Brien: Well, again, I think it's so multifarious and there's so
many different players involved here. There's different agendas at
work. I really feel that there is a possibility that helicopter images
could somehow be used as a screen image or some sort of camouflage for
something more high-tech and more strange. I've seen very interesting
footage that Jose Escamillo and his family took near Midway in New
Mexico of a helicopter flying along and then morphing right into a
silver sphere or disk. And it would seem to me that if we are dealing
with some sort of intelligent, non-human species of some kind--like,
why do they light their ****ps up to begin with? Why do we see
anomalous lights in the sky? They don't need lights. They literally
could travel with no running lights at all. And the fact that they do
use lights means that at times they want to be seen. I think
appearances are deceiving and, who knows? Maybe all these blinking red
and white lights that fly over here--how do I know it's an airliner
unless I hear it? And the same goes with the helicopters. I had a
postmaster go outside. His whole house was shaking. He went outside
and just a few feet above him was a huge helicopter. Be he heard
absolutely no motor sound. All he heard was the sound of the rotors
whipping through the air in the down blast of the wind. That's the
only sound he heard. The thing took off, and it was mechanically
silent although the rotors were making noise in the air. This guy is
ex-mil-tary and a trained observer and you'd think that he would be
able to differentiate between something normal and something "high
strange" like that.
So, it's really difficult to answer the question because the answer
might hold true for one side of the question, whereas on the other
side, it wouldn't be true. So, who knows? I think a lot of these
choppers are milit-ry. We have a low flight level Mil-tary Operations
Area (MOA) here called the LeVido MOA and almost daily we see fighter
planes and trans****t planes and helcopters flying around here.
However, how do we know that some high-tech presence isn't flying
something alongside these conventional craft that looks conventional
but in actuality isn't? It's very, very difficult. The more I get
involved in this stuff, the more confusing it seems. And the less you
really know. The less you can be sure of.
Q. In the section of the book where you discuss the links between
Tibetan monks and Hopi Indians, you write "Some Hope elders predict
that the U.S. will go to w-r abroad in the summer of 1996." What is
your reaction to the fulfillment of that prophecy by our firing of
missiles on Iraq?
O'Brien: Well, I'm not surprised. The Hopi, and Native Americans in
general, for some reason I get a gut sense, my instinct tells me that
they are somehow privy to prophecy-type information. I just get a
sense that Native Americans, for some reason, do have some information
that they're not generally allowing to go out beyond their own
subculture. It doesn't surprise me one bit that Martin and Thomas'
vision of this summer is coming true. The troops in Bosnia, they're
sitting on a powder keg. The whole Middle East is just waiting for the
wrong thing to happen at the right time. I think it was a pretty safe
bet that any sort of prophecy like that would come true. (Laughter)
But I think it is an indication that Native Americans are concerned
about our planet and about other people on this planet. And that they
are slowly opening up and trying to convey this concern to the world
at large. And again I'm not surprised at all that it came true.
Q. Well, do you personally believe in prophecy, like B-blical
prophecy or Nostradamus?
O'Brien: You know, that's a good question. I think there's got to be
some sort of grain of truth to the idea of prophecy. Whether
Nostradamus is correct versus Michael Scallion versus one of the
little girls at Lourdes or Fatima, it's real difficult to say. There's
a lot of people out there professing to be prophesying, and none of
these prophecies have come true. I think part of the reason why
prophecy exists in our culture is pretty simple. It's to warn us about
what it looks like we're going towards and maybe try to change people
just enough so that these prophecies don't come true. I think
prophecies are as much a warning as they are "reality-based
information."
I think it's a lot of instinctual stuff. I don't think it's the
voice of God speaking through a particular person. Maybe it was a few
thousand years ago or something. I don't know. But now I think it's
just people really "grokking" the flow of where things are going.
Scallion is a good example of somebody who really has a handle on an
aspect of our planet. He really does put a lot of emphasis on the
earthquakes and the natural calamities that we see routinely on this
planet. But I really do think there is something to prophecy but not
to the extent that someone maybe a little more Fundamentalist would
think.
Q. Well, having been witness to a lot of gory scenes involving
mutilated cattle, do you still believe it's possible that the aliens
are a benevolent force with the good of mankind as part of their
agenda? Can the cattle mutilation phenomenon have a basically good
motivation behind it?
O'Brien: Well, that's like asking me if someone who experiences
stigmata, if that's a positive or negative thing in their life. To
give you an example, Padre Pelo, a very, very famous "near saint," if
you will in the C-ristian C-tholic religion, would manifest the wounds
of the nails and the spear thrust into the side of the crucified
C-rist. Now, I would think that something like that would not
necessarily be a positive thing. I mean, it would have to hurt, I
would think, and be quite uncomfortable. But it's attributed by the
culture and the people who believe in the tradition, it's considered a
blessing, almost. The guy has to be in a state of grace in order to be
h-ly enough or pious enough to exhibit these very flagrant paranormal
wounds. So, it's really difficult to be judgmental in this realm. I
don't think it's positive and I don't think it's negative. I think
we're seeing a very methodical process that has some sort of
experimentation going on. Maybe it's being done to fight some major
virus that we experience as a society in the future. It's time
travelers coming back and harvesting parts to try to save us in the
future. If it's that, it would be a very positive thing.
Part 2.
John Winston. johnfw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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