Subject: Lear Tells What's What. Part 3. 2008.
Here they talk about a place where I have
personally been before called "The Black Mailbox."
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Art continues the interview:
A - A lot of people listening tonight will have
no idea of you and the year of Lazar - a lot of
people of course are rather recent listeners and its
been a decade although we have interviewed - I
actually interviewed Bob Lazar not too long ago,
John ...
J - Yes! I listened to it.
A - Ah - you did ... You heard it!
J - Yes!
A - Um - it might be really interesting to
kind of get that period of time from you - for
all the new listeners - there are so many ...
J - I served some time with Bob a month or
so ago. I had an occasion to ferry an L 10-11
from where it was painted in the south - the
name of the air****t escapes me, but we took
it up to Roswell - and as you know - Roswell
is a - there is a huge air****t - a repository
for old airplanes - not old - well yeah - old
airliners - there must be 200 of them there -
just every kind you can imagine - L 10-11s,
747's, DC 10s, DC 9's ...
A - They are really kept there to avoid
erosion that would occur elsewhere - right -
its desert ...
J - Yeah - Mohave is one, Victorville is
another - Roswell ...anyway - Well I went to
Roswell - and coming back I took the bus from
Roswell to Albuquerque and Bob picked me up
and I spent a few days at his house and talked
about old times and stuff ... and it was
interesting, but how I got into all this was
sometime in 1984-1985.
I picked up a book "
http://search.barnesandnoble.com
Missing Time" by Budd Hopkins
A - Of course!
J - and when I read it - I said, "Holy Smokes!
This is true!" I mean - it gave me chills and at
that time I was flying with American Transair,
and I was based in New York and I gave Budd a
call and ended up over at his house and uh - I
spent a fascinating evening with him and ummm -
and that got me really interested. And then ...
Whitley S-reiber wrote Communion and that was
even more scary. I remember reading that book -
and I went to the store to get it and I got a
call to take a flight from Las Vegas to Cleveland
and I remember flying the 727 on the way to
Cleveland and reading this thing and how scary
it was ... but anyway I got interested in all
this ... lets see ... what happened next ... I
went on this little tour around Colorado, New
Mexico - checking out all these rumours - it
was just 'fascinating ' and then I started to
give lectures - and I gave - and at that time
I was on my soap box and ... "We 'deserve' to
know this stuff." and at that time I had no idea
how heavily involved the g-vernment was in
this - I thought they were really just
dismissing it.
A - You went at this almost like an obsession ....
- It 'was' an obsession... and it almost
caused a divorce - because my wife turned off
the phone - I mean - changed my numbers and
um - it was a very - very turbulent time. But
anyway, in the summer of 1988, a guy called up,
during all of this turbulence, and he said,
"Hey! I'd like to get a copy of your tapes." I
said, "No! I'm out of this. I'm done with it.
It's just a mess.!" He said, "Well! If you ever
need an appraisal of your house, I'll trade you.
I'm an appraiser." I said, "I'll tell you
what. I need my house appraised. I'll trade
you the tapes for the appraisal."
A - laughs. "Oh yes!"
J - So, he came over and he brought this guy
named Bob Lazar to hold the measuring tape. Well,
we sat down and talked about UFOs and Bob
started this rolling his eyes and Bob said,
"I've never heard to much -S in my life." He
said, "I worked at Los Alamos. If this were
true, I would have known it. I have the higher
clearance." And, you know - people who have
a II clearance say they have the highest. So
anyway, over the next few months, we got
together and me and Bob and I kept feeding Bob
information and like about October or November,
it became apparent to him something was going
on, and I think there was two or three things
I had said ... One - I had said there was a
facility called YY-II - a s-cret facility and
that's where they keep the live aliens and I
mentioned something else ... I forget what it
was - but anyway, his friends at Los Alamos
wrote him back and said, "Indeed there is a
YY-II, but that doesn't mean their's an alien
there, but there was a se-ret area ... but
anyway ...Bob decided to re-enter the scientific
community and Bob called Dr. Teller.
I was there when he made the call and I
reminded Dr. Teller of when he was at Los
Alamos and asked him if he (Bob) could
re-enter the scientific community.
Dr. Teller said, "Do you want to work in
Livermore, California, or do you want to
work out there at Nellis? Bob said, "I
want to work at Area 51". Teller said,
"Let me see what I can do." Well, the next
thing I know is Bob has three s-curity interviews
down at EGG Facility here and he mentioned to me
after the second interview - they said, "Do you
know John Lear, and what is your relation****p with
him?" Well Bob said, "Well! I know him. He's a
person who sticks his nose where it doesn't belong."
And Bob said when he told them that - what he didn't
tell them that 'he' likes to stick his nose where
it doesn't belong.
A. - (chuckles)
J - So anyway, the next thing I know is in December
of 1988, Bob shows up at my house in the evening
and sits down. I'm wiped out - sitting down doing
some paperwork and Bob sit in a chair in front of
my desk and Bob says, "I saw a disk today!"
A - Here's where I want to stop you and ask you a
quick question - you know - when Bob first came
to you at the point you are talking about right
now, what do you think his motivation was? Because
- of course
....
J - Well - he told me what his motivation was.
He said, "I saw a disk today". and I said, "What
are you talking about? I said, "Theirs or ours?"
He said, "Theirs!" I said, "Did you go to Area
51?" He said, "Yeah! I just got back!" I said,
"Then what are you doing 'here' Bob? This is
fantastic! ...obviously they followed you. I said,
"Why don't you find out what's going on and
'then' tell me? And he said, "Because you have
taken so much flack over this ...
A - Yeah!
J - ... so much ridicule. I just wanted to
tell you that I saw it." That was his motive.
A - So you think he was coming to you ...
privately ... at that point ...
J - Yeah!
A - Just saying, "Look! What you believe ...
its true ... I can verify it! It's true."
J - Right!
A - So, it was just because you're friends.
He saw your struggle.
J - Right!
A - And from that point?
J - Well! From that point - uh - you know -
he kept - he was ... Well he worked from December
1988 to March 21, 1989, which will always be a
date that we'll always remember and that ... the
Tuesday before ... the 21st was a Wednesday. The
day before ... I was over to his house and he
said, "Do you want to go and see a disk fly
tomorrow?" I said, "Well, how?" and he said, "I
know a place we can watch it and they always
test on Wednesdays at sunset because that is the
time this road is least traveled." So I said,
"Okay! Let's go."
So Gene Haupt and me and Bob got in my motor
home and I think Bob's wife was with us and we
drove up there - just south of the black mail
box, which we didn't know about then.
A - The now infamous black mail box...
J - Right! I set up the telescope and here
comes this thing - from behind the mountains
where Groom Lake was and it flitted around and
I'm trying to focus this 8" Celestron telescope
which was very difficult.
A - Bad idea!
J - But finally I go tit and I saw a disk
that was oriented about 45 degrees to the
horizon and it was glowing - it was yellowish
orange and it was glowing - and it was settling
back down behind the mountains and I said,
"Quick Gene - take a look, (laughs) and as I
stepped back from the telescope, I hooked the
tripod leg and go tit off ... off the focus
and of course, there's a big laugh about that -
and at one time I had those tapes - all those
tapes, but I'm moving out of my house now and
I stored everything in the garage as far as
tapes and UFO books, all the do***ents and
everything and somebody came and stole half
of it, including my UFO books and everything
and I don't know who it was and I don't'
expect it ... you know ... I think it was just
an accident that somebody took that stuff and
that tape is gone.
A - Well . a telescope of that power would
actually give you pretty good resolution - if
you really managed to get it and old the focus
... (unintelligible)
J - Well, I saw it - it was perfect. No
doubt about it.
A - How much could you see beyond a glowing
disk, John?
J - That was it!
A - That was it! No further details of the
craft itself? Could you even estimate from
distance - the size?
J. - No! So, we stayed around for another
couple hours and nothing happened, so we went
home and so the next Wednesday night, I was on
a trip - an airline trip and I couldn't go,
but I called Bob and I said, "What's going on?"
and he said, "We're going fi****ng tonight!",
which I new they were going up to Groom Lake,
and uh - which I knew - that night, I think
him, Annie, Wyatt, Keeley, and George Knapp
went and that was the night that George got
the film that he got. The third night which
was the following Wednesday- was March 6th.
And that's when we went up and we had all
the geiger counters and the cameras and
everything and that's the night we got caught
and we were going down the road that accessed
to the back gate of Groom Lake, and I kept
saying ..."C'mon! Lets stop here ..."
A - How close .. how close were you allowed
to get?
J - About 10 miles.
A - 10 miles - so you were how far inside
that 10 mile point?
J - uh - I think we were about 10 miles and
we hand't even come to the security gate -
that's way up in the ridge area.
A - I guess - what I'm getting at - is ...
were you in an area where you could legally be?
J - Oh yeah - absolutely!
A - All right!
Part 3.
John Winston. johnfw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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