Subject: Lear Tells What's What. Part 2. Feb. 7, 2008.
This talks about 9-11.
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J - Thank you Art, You mean I could have said, "No!" ?
A - laughs heartily - Yeah! Too late! laughs again.
Yeah! You could have said, No! Sure! I'm - I'm serious -
Why after 10 years of not a peep, why now?
J - Well you know, the g-vernment in charge of this
coverup, - uh - works so well at making your life
miserable when you go around talking about this stuff,
that I quit and my life - the quality of my life improved
about 200%. But now, the coverup is so well in place,
that they certainly would not be threatened by me going
on the radio just once and saying what I know.
A - Yeah! Well, you lost jobs because of this, right?
J - Yeah - I lost two. I lost one with an airline and
one with a go-ernment program that I really wanted. It
was with L-ckheed, and they went for my clearance and
they were told by the air-orce that now - under no
cir***stances would John Lear ever get another
clearance. Now - I had a clearance up at the test site
for some work I did with Dyn-e-ectron - it was just
monitoring below ground tests from the air with
different airplane, but - uh - that clearance is still
there, - not active - but they weren't going to renew
it under any cir***stances and they made it plain - so
its cost me a little bit, but I managed to survive.
A - Um - all right! You know - before we launch into
the whole spectrum of things we have to talk about
John, uh - when you and I were on the phone the other
day, you began to tell me about 9/11 and I'd really
would like to talk about that. Uh - you have a
perspective on the 9/11 thing that people should at
least hear. I mean - everybody can make up their own
minds about it, but you're a commercial pilot and
there are certain things you know. So how about it?
J - Well! This is a sensitive subject, and I told
you that I was hesitant to talk about it.
A - That's why I'm bringing it up first! (Art
laughs again)
J - But whoever concocted 9/11, and it certainly '
wasn't Osama Bin Ladin, they had two objectives -
one was to polarize American's opinion against
Arab-Muslims and number two was to get the U-ited
States - trick the U.S. - essentially to get Osama
out of Afghanistan because Osama - as bad as he was
- he was shutting down all the heroin poppy fields
and was causing a disastrous monetary loss to the
i-legal d-ug industry - and last year, which was a
year after we went into Afghanistan, National
Geographic did a special on TV, that ran for several
months and do***ented the 500% increase in dr-gs
flowing out of Afghanistan 'after' we went in there
and eliminated Osama.
A - laughs - They actually did. I recall that. I
remember that re****t! Um - so you are sort of
charging that we went in there after Osama - after
Osama to rescue the dru- trade?
J - No! Well - that wasn't what 'we' thought - we
were sort of tricked into doing that. We were tricked
into thinking that Osama was responsible for 9/11,
but to get a proper perspective on who 'did' the
World Trade Center - uh - you have to understand
what a magnificent feat of airman****p this was. It
was 'disastrous' and was horrible for this country,
but this was not accomplished by some guys who went
to Florida and got some instructions on a Cessna or
a Piper and this was not accomplished by somebody
who had a right seat on a 727.
A - What about simulators? Flight simulators?
J - This had to be accomplished by pilots who got
instruction - were taken to 'honest-to-G-d' Boeing
757 simulators which is - you know - the 757 and
767 the same cockpit essentially and you get the
same rating and whoever concocted this whole thing
knew that on a particular day that airplanes
themselves could be switched because of maintenance
problems and by selecting airlines that had that
airplane, they had everything covered.
A - Huh! So it actually took a fair amount of
skill to plow into those buildings?
J - I would say that it took about 200 or 300
hours for each pilot - and we're talking about . . .
A - 200 or 300 hours? But you mean of simulator
time?
J - Of simulator time! They had to learn how to
step into the cockpit - and that's a whole thing -
getting into the airplane, but that's separate
from that - they had to get into the cockpit and
pull the circuit breaker for the transponder -
sit in the pilot seat, disconnect the auto-pilot
from the flight management system - turn the
airplane, push the throttles all the way forward,
find Manhattan - then line up on a pre-planned
course - doing 10 miles a minute - they were
clocked by air traffic control doing 600 miles
an hour at 700 feet above the ground and fly
directly into the middle the center of the World
Trade Center. Now that - you know and the air
r-ces only fly 400 miles an hour and that's
difficult - but to fly an airliner like the size
of a 757 at 700 feet - I mean that took some
skill and that took a long time to train that -
probably a year.
A - That's wild (unintelligible)
J - In addition to that - hitting the Trade
Center was a feat - but hitting the P-ntagon was
even more of a feat because when you are going
that fast there is a tremendous amount of air
creating this lift and as you head towards the
ground, that air reacts against the wing and
pushes you up, so whoever - whoever hit that -
trained to hit the Pe-tagon at the 3rd story
was highly trained because when he came towards
the ground - there was a tremendous amount of
lift and you would have to trim forward and
push with an incredible amount of strength to
not be pushed up and over the Pen-agon to hit
the 3rd story.
A - But what about the plane that went down
that didn't make it - that was probably headed
towards the W-itehouse?
J - uh - Well that was shot down by an F-16 out
of a base south of New York and uh . . .
A - How can you be so sure?
J - Well because there were parts found 5 miles
away - uh - because there were eye-witnesses to
it being shot down - uh - there is corroborating
evidence somebody who was listening to a cell
phone conversation at the time this was going on
who said they heard the rapid - like the ...
described it as a pilot rapidly turning pages -
well - that's not what was happening - that was
the cannon fire hitting the fuselage and that's
what accounted for - what they called the 'smoke '
in the air in the cabin - well that wasn't smoke -
that was the depressurization causing the
condensation.
A - Well so you are saying definitely that you
feel it was shot down . . .
J - But you have to understand the go-ernments
position - #1 - they couldn't 'possibly' reveal
this information because - you know - it was
something they had to do - the problem was that
once the passengers got control of the airplane
there was no way to communicate with air traffic
control or communicate with whoever was directing
the attack for the airforce.
A - Now you say Osama Bin Ladin wasn't responsible
but there are video tapes showing Osama with his
Lieutenant sort of laughing and joking - they
didn't expect such a grand result and all that
baloney - what about that?
J - He might have been told at the last minute,
but if that's all we've got, people say 'how come
we haven't got him'? But the bottom line is, we
don't want to get Osama - we'd have to put him on
trial and other than that video tape, we don't
have a 'shred' - not a 'shred' of evidence against
him.
A - Uh huh! Yet, it might be enough in a court of
law!
J - In a world court?
A - You might be right! Well! Uh - I don't know -
You've shocked me with some of your views. on the
9/11 business. No question about that! 100's of
hours - Where would yhey get simulator training
like that? - that many hours . . .
J - Therein lies the problem. Because they
'certainly' couldn't waltz into any airline in
the Un-ted States and get that kind of time - I
mean most of the airlines in the US who have 757's
use them 24 hours a day and they certainly aren't
in the habit of renting - uh - to unauthorized
people like somebody going in there saying 'Hey!
give me 1500 hours of time" - Its just not going
to happen. They would have to find another 757
elsewhere in the world and if you look around
in the Middle-East and there's certainly none
there because at least not in any Arab Country
because they have airbusses - strictly airbusses -
They would have to find 757's somewhere else.
A - How many simulators are there?
J - Well! There are lots of them - but uh -
well - not lots of them - but there's certain
around somewhere and they'd have to make a deal
somewhere - obviously they got training because
they couldn't do it without training .
A - But what we've been given by the media -
by the mass media - you know - they were down
in Florida - getting a few hours on lighter
aircraft - that doesn't wash at all . . .
J - No possibility! If you talk to any pilot
that knows anything about this and that was -
and that was a feat with the (unintelligible)
with the benefit with 19,000 hours in all the
airplanes I've flown including air ra-es - the
Douglas B-26, I doubt that I could have done
that the 1st time . .
A - Really!
J - You are doing a mile every 6 seconds - so
you had to learn where to line up, you know ...
which reference points to get - you know -
where to be at a particular time hit that
building. It had to be planned for a long, long
time.
So this is a tremendous amount of skill, and it
took a long time to do, particularly you know -
they probably got somebody who didn't have
thousands of hours - they probably had to train
them from the ground up, and in this case it
was relatively easy because they didn't have to
learn how to take off and land - he didn't have
to learn how do a single engine approach - he
didn't have to learn to do a (unintelligible)
or MBD approach, or anything like that ...
A - Just hit a building ...
J - Yeah!
Part 2.
John Winston. johnfw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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