Subject: Richard D-an About UFOs. Part 4. Dec. 17, 2007.
He now talks about Phil Cor-o.
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K: But it's a c-assified do***ent. So you're saying
there's a cl-ssification in a in clas-ification...
B: You have a class-fied do***ent here and then you have
classi-ied do***ent here, and the guys who wrote this one
and have access to this one, can't read that then because
they don't have the need to know. Now the guys that have
got this one and wrote it and read it and talk about it,
they can't read this one because that's another separate
classif-ed do***ent.
K: Okay... so this guy P-ke, right, he's the guy in
charge?
B: Thomas Pi-e, Air Marshall Sir Thomas Pik-, initiated
the study in February of '61 and said...
K: He had a need to know.
B: "I want to know what the h-ll's going on", and they
started the study.
K: There's some kind of animosity, I don't know, to this
day, between N-TO, right, and the US and...
B: Honey. You should have seen the animosity that existed
in SHAPE headquarters itself.
K: Oh. Okay...
B: It was so bad that the Greeks and the Turks wouldn't
even walk on the same side of the corridor. Cyprus was an
issue back then. It still is. So we had Greeks and Turks
snarling and frowning at each other, and we had the French.
Uh ho ho ho ho...
Excuse me, bless their hearts, the French were a pain in
the b-tt from the very beginning.
K: Why?
B: Well first of all de Gaulle hated the fact that
C-urchill and T-uman had not given him the appropriate
respect that he felt he deserved. One of the reasons that
happened while I was there, is that France withdrew from
the M-litary Alliance. De Gaulle threw us out. We had to
pack our bags and move the entire kit and caboodle from
Paris to Brussels. And I was there at the time when it
happened.
K: Okay where were you reading the re****t, before or
after this happened?
B: I'm reading the re****t in Paris. SHAPE was located in
a little town called Chatou... Rocquencourt, right outside
of Paris. A little old Napoleonic battle took place there
somewhere. Anyhow, the animosity between the French and
everybody else...the Germans, the Italians, and the
Americans and the Brits were all like this (clasps hands
together into a fist). The French were over here. (points
away to his right)
K: But you're saying the guy who initiated the re****t is
Pik-?
B: -ike.
K: Okay. And you're saying, I mean he clearly had a need
to know if he's having flyovers and the US is hearing about
this, Britain is hearing about this. The people at the top
are hearing about this. So he does this re****t on his own
or...
B: No.
K: ... or something... that's what it's sounding like. He
had a need to know so theoretically...
B: He was a five star rank Air Marshall. He had authority
to initiate a study like this, and he did.
K: Okay, where did it go from there? Do you know? Did it
go to the US? Did it go to...
B: No, no.
K: It sat in a safe somewhere?
B: They published fifteen copies.
K: Right.
B: The first, copy one, went to the Secretary General of
NA-O. But you cannot imagine what an international
headquarters is like. It's like a.. a wasp's nest.
K: (Laughs)
B: Like I said, the Greeks and Turks were snarling at
each other all the time.
The French were always angry at everybody.
K: Okay so what you are saying, fifteen copies...
B: Fifteen copies were initiated. A copy went to the US,
a copy went to Italy, a copy went to France, a copy went to
the UK, and so on. Fifteen copies are out.
One copy, I think the 14th or the 15th, came right there
in the vault at SHOC.
K: Okay.
B: Reading material for the controllers, the full
Colonels who ran the 24-hour-a-day W-r Room.
K: So you weren't the only one that read it?
B: Oh no, no, no.
Oh no. We had an American Air F-rce General by the name
of Robert L-e. Robert Le- read the thing. I got to know his
aide fairly well... it was a Lt. Colonel.
Inside the Wa- Room we were a select group. We all had
the highest clearance possible.
The enlisted men and the officers mingled closely. The
enlisted men had...the senior enlisted men, most of us
were top E-7s or E-8s and a couple of E-9s. So we mingled
closely, and it wasn't on a first name basis, there was
always respect for rank.
But when you work in a -ar Room like that, and you work
closely together over the years, you get to know each other
pretty well.
General L-e's aide told me, he said: "When the old man
read that story, that re****t, The *****sment, it hit him
like a truck, hit him like a ton of bricks." He told me
that the General threw his hat across the desk and he says,
"Do you know what
the h-ll this means? Everything we've got, everything we've done,
everything
we've had, doesn't mean a d-mn thing."
The shock was pretty serious. Here you have a highly
decorated World War II Air F-rce General who's been all
over the place... I think he flew B-29s in the Pacific...
he said, "If this is all true, if this is real, what we've
got, all our mi-itary, our Air Fo-ce, our b-mbs, our
planes, doesn't mean a thing."
The conclusions of the study after three years concluded
that they had been coming here for a very long time. That
they apparently had some involvement in the origins of our
species. Big shock to traditional people, particularly
C-ristians and M-slims. It was interesting because
apparently there wasn't a threat involved. If they had been
hostile or aggressive it would have been over a long time
ago.
Now: what was their purpose? Well, the study was not able
to conclude that. It said that the mil-tary committee will
continue this research, which indicated to me that the
study in some form had continued... that this do***ent in
'64 was simply an initial conclusion.
K: Okay.
B: But when they concluded that there were four different
extraterrestrial groups involved, and one of them was
totally human, looked just like us, that was a BIG shock to
the old traditional mindset of the milit-ry. The Adm-rals
and the Ge-erals, they couldn't deal with it.
K: It also said that there was something to do with the
r-ligions, that all the re-igions of the world...
B: Well, let me tell you. The study was not that
thorough. It was a beginning for me.
It was the initiative, the initial event that triggered
my curiosity. It launched me on 40 years of research. And
much of what I've concluded has been as a result of the
years of study since.
You see, I continued to dig, I continued to probe. I
continued to turn over rocks. As I said, I drove my friends
up the wall.
K: Okay you looked at this material, you learned a lot.
You weren't the only one. You've convinced me of that.
Supposedly these people that you knew also read it. They
weren't your close friends, I'm assuming?
B: Well, they weren't my dearest closest friends, no.
K: Okay but were you able to talk to them or have
relation****ps with them after outside of 1967?
Did you ever compare notes?
B: We formed, back in those days, what we call "the old
boys network". This network was made up of people like
myself, enlisted and commissioned. Of all services, Air
Fo-ce, Mar-nes, A-my, N-vy. As I said, all ranks.
There were others like me who were so engrossed by this
and excited by it and what it meant. You hear a few of them
coming out even today, those that are still alive, saying
what I saw, what I learned, what I concluded. The re****ts
I studied, the contacts that I knew happened. Some of them
had contacts themselves.
B: Personal contacts with some of these guys (pointing
up). Phil C-rso was an example. Are you familiar with who
he was?
K: Absolutely.
B: I knew Phil fairly well. He and I were speakers at
several conferences together. And in Italy I got to know
him pretty well. Phil shared with me things that he had had
happen to him. Not just what he had seen, but that he had
personal contact with an alien at W-ite Sands.
He was in charge of the s-curity of the range one time.
And something came in, the radar picked it up. He hopped in
his car and went out to see what the he-l it was. There is
a UFO sitting on the ground. There's a guy standing beside
it, and Co-so walks over to him and says, you know, "What
the hel- are you, who are you, and where are you from, and
why are you here"?
This fellow says, "I just came to talk". Cor-o asks him,
"Well, are you with us, or are you agin' us?" Simple
milit-ry type question. You know, are you with me or are
you against me? This guy says, "Neither, we're neither for
you or are we against you". He had a conversation with this
guy that lasted over an hour.
The guy says, "Please turn off your radar, it disturbs my
control or my guidance system, so I can leave." -orso went
back to the shop, or back to the headquarters, and turned
off the radar... and away he went. I got to know through
the old boys network dozens of guys like myself, who were
as excited and enthused about the thing as I was.
K: But they didn't become whistleblowers. What's the
difference?
B: Some of them did. Some of them lost their commissions,
some of them lost their rank.
K: Can you name somebody? If they became a whistleblower,
do I know them?
B: No, no, no.
K: What happened?
B: Many of them just retired and d-ed.
K: Okay, so they tried to blow the whistle, but they
didn't get known? They haven't lasted...
B: Let me explain something.
K: ...but you have.
B: I was one of the loudest loudmouths, and this is my
nature. I retired as a Command Sergeant Major. And that
rank gives me the privilege to open my big yap to anybody.
The Gene-als, the Admi-als and everybody in between, you
see? It's a unique kind of rank to have.
Part 4.
John Winston. johnfw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Richard D-an And UFOs. Part 5. Dec. 17, 2007.
This tells what happens to mil-tary people who talk about
UFOs.
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K: I see.
B: The G-nerals depend on you to tell them the truth
whether they like it or not and so you learn to tell them
the truth. Well, I turned out to be a big mouth. I sat on
this for... when did I come out of the closet, so to speak?
It's just a term.
K: Right, okay from 1967...
B: I sat on this from '67 to '92 or '91? I believe I came
out of the closet in '91.
K: Okay, so that's a long time.
B: Yes. I respected my oath, which I swore. I took an
oath to never share anything that I learned in a c-assified
nature while I was on active duty. I knew that if I did, I
could go to p-ison for 10 years, $10,000 fine, forfeiture
of all pay and allowances, retirement everything, whatever,
forever.
K: Okay so you've come out. What happened to you?
B: So I came out in '91 at a conference in Tucson,
Arizona. The result was monumental aggravation and
frustration that the g-vernment had continued over all
these years to l-e to the people. Not only were they lying
to the people, they were ruining lives to keep the lid on
this subject. I had enough of that.
I had seen good friends of mine, guys who... they had
said something to the wrong person, the wrong way at the
wrong time, and they sent them to Iceland, you know?
K: They reassigned them?
B: They reassigned them to Iceland without their
families. A three year assignment in Iceland.
That's like the Russians sending you to Siberia. We have
this in this country, the ability to do that. There are
assignments here and there that, you know, I don't want to
use the wrong terminology and embarrass you but... you've
heard the term anus mundi?
We have places on the Earth where we have m-litary bases,
and if they send you there, everybody says, "Bye, we'll
probably never hear from you again", you know?
K: Okay, but that didn't happen to you.
B: No, it didn't. And let me tell you...
K: Why not? Do you know why?
B: The more I learned, the more I grew aggravated I
became. And at '91, I think it was, when I came out...
Wendelle S-evens is a good friend of mine. Remember the
"old boy network"? retired Lieutenant Colonel Air F-rce
fighter pilot Wendelle is still alive down in Tucson.
He and I were close for years. When I retired from the
Army, I bought a house in Tucson and lo and behold, I found
I was right across the street from Stevens. Anyhow, he went
to p-ison, and it was a trumped up, fixed p-litical deal. I
always suspected it was because he had spoken out openly on
the subject.
Now there were people who say, "No, no, Wendelle just
made a dumb mistake, and he broke the law", and off he
went. He spent three years in pris-n. Well, here's an
example for you. People say, "Well, he s-rewed up". Well I
never did believe the man sc-ewed up that way. I think that
partly him going to jail was a result of him being very
outspoken. Now, that's a threat that you face.
In '91 I was up to here (puts hand to forehead). My first
marriage was on the rocks for a variety of reasons. I was
in a new job. I took a job with the Sheriff's Dept. I was
actually working for F-MA as an emergency management
director. But I was just so frustrated and so aggravated,
waiting for the go-ernment to tell the people a little
something.
And then I was so frustrated and angered by the fact that
not only were they not telling them the truth, they were
telling them blatant l-es, and they were also destroying
people's lives. There were people who had contacts, who the
gove-nment would place in what they called, what is it the
p-lice put you in protective...?
K: Protective custody, a safe house?
B: Well not just custody, they create a whole new life
for you.
K: Oh yeah, okay.
B: I have seen examples of milit-ry families' lives
destroyed because...
K: Because the person spoke out?
B: Well, a pilot could come back from a mission, and
before they got to him he said something to somebody: "My
G-d, you should have seen what I saw up there! There was
this d-mn ****p flying along beside me and there were faces
at the windows looking at me!"
This went public.
And this poor son of a b-tch, they took him and sent him
to Kwajalein. I believe it's some tiny little atoll in the
middle of the Pacific, where you can't take your family.
And he went off to Kwajalein for go- knows how long, away
from his family because he said one thing.
I learned all these things. It struck me that this was
not fair. That this was not right. That no go-ernment,
da-mit, has the right to do that to people. I came out of
the closet in a BIG way.
K: Right.
B: Not only did I share everything I learned at SHAPE in
the study, The *****sment, which is in itself dynamite. But
the real dynamite is all the stuff I've learned since. And
I learned even after I retired from the Army in '76.
I still had clearance. I worked for FE-A. I got a what's
equivalent to a Master's Degree in emergency management at
the Institute in Emmitsburg, Maryland.
K: Okay, but they didn't come get you and send you off to
Siberia or Iceland...
B: No they didn't because once I opened my big yap I had
people come to me to tell me, "Bob, that's your only
defense, that's the only se-urity you've got. Keep talking.
Because if they come and shut you up now, it'll be so
obvious..."
K: Oh, I see.
B: ...to the world that you've been closed down, that
what you've been talking about must be true."
As I told you, I think I shared with Bill, I was
intimidated. I had phone calls from people who wouldn't
identify themselves. Male voices saying, "Don't you think
you've talked about this just about enough? Why don't you
the he-l... it's time for you to shut up."
(Mimics holding phone to his ear) "Who's this?" "Never
mind. Keep your da-n mouth shut."
I had a number of those.
I had a little house in Tucson in a cul-de-sac. I lived
there, bought it years ago. Bought it in '60-something. I'm
sitting there one day reading or whatever, and I hear
(imitating sound of helicopter rotor blades), a very
distinctive sound. I knew a helicopter. I knew the sound of
a Huey because I'd been in Viet Nam, and the Huey has a
distinctive sound all of its own.
I thought, you know, is it passing over? And it kept
(imitating helicopter sound) and the d-mn thing was sitting
over my house. So I go out the door into the driveway and I
look up, and there's a totally b-ack Huey type helicopter,
not more than 100 feet above my house, violating FAA rules,
you know, totally violating the rules.
The da-n thing was sitting up there and there was not a
marking on it. Not one mark on it, it was totally bl-ck and
that was a violation of F-A, you know. Now these guys
violate the law all the time.
I stood out there and I thought, "Who the -ell are you"?
I looked up and studied it, and there was this big circular
glassy apparatus on the bottom of this thing. It was part
of the aircraft. And I concluded later that it probably was
one of those 360-degree windows. There were probably guys
sitting in there looking at me down through this glass.
But it was bl-ck, totally bla-k. The glass was blac-. The
thing was just sitting up there, kind of like nyah, nyah,
nyah, you know. I mean what are you going to do about it?
So I shook my fist pointed my finger, mouthed a couple of
p-ofanities.
Called them a number of names, (pointing up with finger)
"I know you, you son of a bi-ch! I know who you are and I
know what you're doing!"
K: Okay.
B: And about this time I'm really giving them h-ll. I'm
sure they thought, "All right, we got his attention", and
off it went. First of all, totally bla-k, no markings... a
violation. It's hovering over a private residence... a
violation.
K: Sure.
B: You know they don't care. It was an intimidation. This
was right after I had gone public at this conference in
Tucson.
K: Okay. So tell me, you had friends in high places,
because I know you've spent some time in Wa****ngton. Who's
protecting you? Because... is it human, is it
extraterrestrial...?
B: Let me tell you what I think, and this is just my two
cents. I think that after I came out publicly with a big
mouth, and spoke and began to speak regularly at that time.
From '91 on, I traveled the world, good Go-; I've been to
18 countries.
Part 5.
John Winston. johnfw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Robert And UFOs. Part 6. Dec. 18, 2007.
This talks about a person loosing a son because he talked
about UFOs.
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I think going public and being out in the open probably
was what saved me. Other than the phone calls and the black
Huey and all the rest of it. You know I've had people come
up to me at conferences, guys who would not introduce
themselves, and with suits, you know what the term suits
means?
K: Sure.
Bob. Three piece with vest...
K: (Laughs)
B: ...typical g-vernment agency type thing. "Uh, you've
been speaking out pretty bluntly about this, why are you
doing this?" "Well, who are you?" "Never mind, why are you
doing this"? "Well first of all, the truth needs to be
told". "Oh, yeah, you think you know the truth?" "I think I
know some of it, how's that? As a matter of fact I know
quite a bit of it. That's even better". And I've had these
happen too, over the years.
I had an interesting time... I spoke in Leeds at a
conference. Got a call from a guy who identified himself as
"Mr Sweeting". You know, typical UK name, I guess, "Mr.
Sweeting". We found out Tony D-dd checked out the phone
number from Mr Sweeting, who called me and said it was
imperative the he speak to me before I went on.
Tony and I both got in the phone booth together, crammed
in there. Tony's listening as I'm talking to Mr Sweeting,
and he says, " It's imperative Mr Dean that I speak to you
before you go on. What are you going to say?" And I said,
"Well, Mr Sweeting, if you're local, why don't you come to
the conference and listen?" "Well, no, I can't do that. I
just wanted to know what you plan to say." I said, "I plan
to say a h-ll of a lot."
K: (Laughs)
B: And Tony checked the number. And guess where? There's
an enormous US National S-curity Agency facility in
York****re, called, ah...
K: Menwith H-ll.
B: Menwith Hi-l. I've driven by it. Tony took me by
several times.
K: Sure.
B: Mr Sweeting's number was Menwith Hil-.
K: Okay, so what...that's it? That's the gist of your
conversation?
B: Well the gist of the conversation was Mr Sweeting
would not say anything to me about who he was and why he
wanted to talk to me. And I told him, "I ain't gonna share
nothin' with him over the phone. If he wants to talk to me,
come to the conference and I'd be delighted to talk to him
face to face."
K: Well on that issue, have you had whistleblowers,
people, come out of the closet and share stuff with you
since you're a whistleblower?
B: Oh he-l, yes.
I've had people come up to me and say, "You know, I've
been wanting to share this, Dean... and I think I can share
this with you because you won't take my name and address
and phone number and turn me in. But this happened to me
and I know it happened to you." We've all been members of
what we call the "old boys network".
We wanted to get it out. We wanted to get it out
honestly, up front, and democratically, d-mmit!
K: So you've convinced me that you're out there, but I'm
still not buying it completely because... do you think that
you've had health problems? Have you had you know, mind
control, and if not, then I have to ask you again, who's
protecting you?
B: Well let me say this about that... sounds like N-xon
.... (Kerry laughs) I have shared this with people several
times be cause they've asked me the same question, okay?
K: I'm sure.
B: When I became notorious, I suppose is the best word,
where I've spoken bluntly, regularly all over the d-mn
planet, and all over the U-ited States, to a considerable
amount of positive response from people. Not only mi-itary
thanking me for going public, and I've a number of old
close warm friends that have retired to a level of some
degree.
A good friend in Roswell, a retired Army Sergeant who
after he went public, his son was k-lled by a hit and run.
And they always concluded that it was the result of his
going public.
K: Clifford S-one.
B: Clifford lost his boy.
K: We interviewed him, yeah.
B: Clifford is a very close friend and his boy was ki-led
right after he had published his book.
Now you say, "Oh, coincidence". Bulls-it! I have seen a
lot of coincidences in my time and I don't believe in it.
K: Okay.
B: I don't believe there is such a thing as coincidence.
In everybody's life, there is no coincidences. It's all
laid out. Clifford is like me now; he's turned into a
recluse.
Part 6.
John Winston. johnfw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Robert D-an And UFOs. Part 7. Dec. 18, 2007.
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The sheer anger that I felt over what the g-vernment was
doing to people to keep the lid on this - it violated every
concept of my whole idea of life and honor and democracy
and fairness and decency. And then I began to realize that
the go-ernment we think we've got is not the gove-nment we
have.
And I said this publicly to people in conferences. I
said, "You people out there blithely think you live in a
democratic republic... well, you don't."
And then what's all come out over the years - the shadow
gover-ment - we don't know who they are. We have no idea.
We have an inkling of who they might be.
But these guys are unelected. They are not... they are
not responsible, they don't have any responsibility to
c-ngress, to the people, to the country... to anything. And
they're running the d-mn program. And that drives me up the
wall! I could almost k-ll... my sense of anger is so deep
over that... that these self-appointed so-called experts
that are running this program and keeping this... the
greatest story in human history from people. The people
have a right to know.
And let me tell you why I say that. I shared this with
Bill: I have always believed that if this were to come
out - totally - as big as it is, as dynamite as it is, that
it would bring about an expansion of consciousness in
people.
That we would stop thinking of ourselves as M-slim,
Ch-istian, J-w, whatever... we would think of ourselves as
human beings from one little, tiny planet on the edge of a
middle-class, mid-sized galaxy. And that knowledge in
itself would bring us together as a species and as a r-ce.
And I thought, "That is our survival." If we can bring
ourselves together and think of ourselves as 'one ra-e, one
people,' this knowledge that we're not alone and we've
never been alone I think would do that. (sighs)
Kerry C-ssidy: So...
Bob De-n: But the story is so big, honey. Let me tell you
something else. Over the years I've learned... what I
learned in 1967 was nothing compared to what I've learned
since. Over the years, digging in, talking to people...
talking to people in high positions... people who would -
you know - sit at a conference and say, "Hey, let's sit
down and talk. Let me tell you what I just learned... "I've
almost come to the conclusion that the story is so da-ned
big that the gove-nment may be right: that the mass of
people can't deal with it.
How do you tell people that this species, this rac- that
we're all a part of... is a hybrid -ace? That we were
genetically created by an extraterrestrial intelligence...
how do you tell them that? Ha... carefully! You look around
and you tell them carefully, depending on where you are.
Now if you're in Baghdad, talking to some Su-nis or S-ia,
you don't even bring the d-mned subject up. How do you tell
them that every major r-ligion on the planet has been
initiated and orchestrated by extraterrestrial
intelligence? How do you tell C-ristian fundamentalists
that that lovely man from Galilee two thousand years ago
was a part of that program? You don't tell them that,
unless you've checked the exits and know how the he-l you
can run and get out of the house!
KC: OK, well...
BD: You don't bring these subjects up. How do you tell
them, for example, that this contact and these abductions
is... the genetic program is still underway?! That these
people that are pulled out of their bedrooms and their
automobiles at night, and are examined and samples taken
and all... and it is shocking to them... and it is
frightening to them... and it's harrowing to them.
When they finally have to confront it, and maybe through
hypnotic regression, they have to deal with it... how do
you tell them that that's part of the ongoing genetic
development program?
KC: But how do you not tell them, when they're in the millions, you
know?
When
there's so many of them out there, right now, that are just as
aware as you are... and as I am, and Bill... you know, and Marcia, I
mean...
We are not in the minority as much as we think we are. And that's the
interesting
problem, is that the govern-ent and what they've planned to do all those
years
back when they were running the country (which they're not any more)...
you
know, wasn't the best decision they made back then. And now, it's the
worst thing to keep the s-cret going. And you obviously believe that
it's still im****tant to wake people up.
BD: I still believe that there are...
KC: Because you're here today.
BD: ...great m***** of people out there who can deal with it. You didn't
fall
to the floor sobbing when I just told you that this is a fact. This is not
just
my idea...these are facts that I have verification for.
KC: Okay.
BD: You see, I know that... I've talked to people on the inside. I've
had
people come and share with me, who are on the inside.
KC: I bet... I bet.
BD: ... And say, "Let me tell you... " I've had mi-itary officers share
with me, "I had men working for me," he said. Over in... outside of Las
Vegas,
"that when they were confronted with this, I had grown men with combat
experience who broke down and cried like babies." He says, "They can't
deal
with it. I've had to send these men off to another assignment somewhere."
They couldn't deal with it.
They came face-to-face with an alien and broke down and cried like
babies.
Now... you say you can deal with this, right?
KC: Okay, but... these are people that have all... have bought into a
certain mindset that a lot of people on the outside - and I mean the
civilians - never bought into anyway. I mean it just depends who you're
talking
to, but you and I know that we're in a world that is... is changing faster
than anyone could even think.
BD: You're in a world that isn't at all what you think it is.
KC: Exactly. So...
BD: As I have said, many times: you are living at the moment inside of,
part of, one of the galaxy's finest, ripest, zoological gardens. And if
you think I just told you you live in a zoo... you do live in a zoo! Now,
I
don't know how this deals with your sense of ego and your self-respect,
and who you think of yourself... you are. But you are an animal, living in
a
zoo.
Now, how does a mass of people, confronted with this reality, going to
deal with this? You're unusually enlightened and bright on this subject,
because I think you have informed yourself.
KC: Of course.
BD: You purposefully made... tried to learn what it was all about.
KC: That's right.
BD: So, you've taken little bits and pieces of this and have absorbed
them
and digested them, and chewed them and masticated them, little bits and
pieces at a time. So you have a pretty good smart there about what's
really
happening. And you're still walking around, like a normal human being!
KC: Sure.
BD: But you're an exception. You know, you're... I saw an audience
filled
with people like you when I spoke the last time at my last presentation.
And
I
was speaking to the...
I was, what do they call it... singing to the choir?
KC: Yes...
BD: Yeah. You're part of the choir.
KC: Alright. But, who is it that's coming to you? I mean, what about
M-jestic? You are familiar with the Ma-estic-12?
BD: Oh, yes. Yes, yes.
KC: Well, how...
BD: They don't call themselves that anymore... but they exist.
KC: I understand. What do they call themselves? What is their new
name? Do you know it?
BD: Oh, yeah well used to be... P--40 was the last term I heard.
KC: PI--0... alright. Well, that's fine, so there's forty...
BD: I don't know what the -ell that means... there's probably forty
members of it now.
KC: And have they approached you?
BD: I've met several of them, yeah.
KC: Because they know you're very well informed...
BD: Well let... can we get back to the subject here, we were talking
about just briefly earlier... why the h-ll have I gotten away with what
I'm
doing. I've got a big mouth, I've come out bluntly and honestly and
I've...
shared my anger.
But I think... and I've said this publicly... after I began speaking all
over the world and all over this country, about subjects as sensitive as
the ones we've just been talking about... I concluded there was someone,
somewhere who wanted me to do this.
KC: Sure.
BD: ... or I could not have gotten away with it.
KC: Absolutely.
BD: And I don't know who that someone is... I may have met him or her...
They may have been among those who have come up to me at conferences and
shook my hand and said, "Da-n good job.
Part 7.
John Winston. johnfw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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