"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns9B58C031AFB55diddydiddynet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "Dale Atkin" <labrador1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spoke these words of wisdom in
> news:u_%Tk.1227$o15.395@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>
>> "Melinda Shore" <shore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>My argument was meant to be in a broader evolutionary context than
just
>>>>for
>>>>a dog.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure why, since this "chardonnay" has been talking
>>> specifically about a dog's natural diet and what dogs would
>>> eat in their natural habitat.
>>>
>>> Oh, wait. I *do* know why!
>>
>> I'm going back a level (probably many million years), as this is the
>> time scale on which things like nutrient sequestration might be
>> variable.
>>
>> Another way to look at it is to realize that being tasty and nutritious
>> is not of direct evolutionary benefit, and therefore would be selected
>> against. Cooking is outside of the evolutionary process, so therefore
>> there is no evolutionary driving force against having your nutrients
>> available when you cook them.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>>
>
> Dale, I'm going to hate to have to killfile you. But it's going to be
> necessary if you keep responding to this kook.
> It would make life so much easier, if you would add [raw] to the subject
> line (please?) so these posts can be more easily filtered.
>
> Thanks
YOU WANT A PIECE OF THIS, people?:
"Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory"
<Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message news:q2ETk.65771$De7.27091@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> HOWEDY diddler you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten
> lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active accute
> chronic life long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
> MENTAL CASE and professional dog trainin FRAUD
> an SCAM ARTIST,
>
> "diddy" <none> wrote in message
> news:Xns9B5753FF53505diddydiddynet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> KERCHING~!
>
>> Shelly <shelly@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spoke these words of wisdom in
>> news:Xns9B56E1F8B3758shellycatsidhnet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> KERCHING~!~!
>
>>> "Dale Atkin" <labrador1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in news:niqTk.404$jr4.93
>>> @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> KERCHING~!~!~!
>
> Three pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal
> murderin MENTAL CASES in a RHOWE~!:
>
> JACKASSPOT~!~!~!
>
> diddler the **** stain scrawled on the **** HOWES
> walls with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
>
> Date: December 29, 2006 5:47 AM
>
>
> Subject: Re: Dog chewing up floors in thread
> news:aad9p2hg0aei5nijqludfvqhb8g1l0jsaj@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Paula <mmmtobler...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled the following
> words:
>> I, for one, am glad that the Puppy Wizard comes across
>> as a complete loon given what his advice is since it
>> makes it less likely that people will take it instead
>> of the advice of someone else I think gives better advice.
>
>
> For the record, The Puppy wizard over-rates himself. But
> "his" (tm) methods are pretty much tried and true methods
> that trainers have used and some still use today.
>
> There are better methods out there now. But the ones posted
> in his manual (now that he has removed the advice to SPIKE
> a dog's temperature to dangerous levels) are sound. they work..
> no matter what we think of the puppy-wizard and his packaging...
> "his methods" <cough> are just as valid as anyone else's
>
>
> "His methods" can stand some updating, and he definitely
> needs to look at some repackaging.
>
>
> Hopefully others add a slicker delivery to grab attention,
> but truthfully, when you look at the cat fights that go on
> here, and stand back and watch in perspective, it's rather
> hard to determine the sane ones from the lunatics.
>
>
> In fact, an awful lot of people here come off looking
> rather tainted. A person needs to have a good filtering
> device to sort out the noise.
>
>
> TPW just has a problem that's too painfully obvious.
>
>
> --------------------
>
>>>> Why do you think most vets *ask* what you're feeding?
>
>
> Veterinary malpracticioners KNOW NUTHIN abHOWET
> nutrition OTHER THAN what's TAUGHT to them by the
> DOG FOOD COMPANIES who subsidize their education.
>
>>> They do? Because I've been to a lot of vets, and I've never had one
>>> ask me what I was feeding my dog. Even when we were discussing
>>> probable food allergies, she didn't ask me about specific foods.
>>
>> Every vet I've ever been to asks me what I'm feeding, Everytime.
>
> Of curse~!:
>
> diddler the **** stain scrawled on the **** HOWES
> walls with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
>
> "diddy" <none> wrote in message
> news:Xns9B027C83B7615diddydiddynet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Tuck was being prepped for surgery this morning The preop xrays
> showed them that Tuck needed to go "out". (I walked him forever
> this morning hoping to avoid this) and they took him out, and he
> passed a very large stool full of chicken feathers.
>
> No surgery was needed, but we know now what shook up his stomach.
>
> He may no longer go out without a muzzle. When I got him home,
> he got out of the car, saw a feather lying in the driveway and snatched
> it up , swallowing it.
>
> The vet said to switch his diet to a diet higher in fiber. I switched
his
> feed to Taste of the Wild a couple of weeks ago. The vet says it does
not
> contain enough raw fiber (undigestible fiber) to keep the digestive
tract
> healthy. Tuck is trying to fill that gap which is causing the problem.
>
> So much for highly digestible premium feeds with tiny poops.
> Fiber is very good. Whole feathers are not
>
> -----------------------------
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
> diddler the **** stain scrawled on the **** HOWES
> walls with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
>
> "I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
> are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
> how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
>
> Having a 100% reliable dog does not
> EVER allow for mitigated cir***stances.
>
> A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
>
> You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
> taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
> in full chase and ask them to drop anything
> they are doing, and they will.
>
> I think that should be expected of any breed, and
> those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
> atre missing the boat"
>
> BWEEEAAAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
>
>> Especially when I had gastric issues with Danny,
>
> AND EVERY OTHER DOG diddler has molested <{}: ~ ( >
>
>> who went to many specialists (who was fed raw food)
>
> LIKE HORSE POOP, LIVE CHICKENS, ARSENIC, CARPET,
> and her veterinarians' DEAD KAT:
>
> diddler the **** stain scrawled on the **** HOWES
> walls with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
>
>
> "diddy" <none> wrote in message
> news:Xns99E154DAFFD50diddydiddynet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> A dog trainer must succeed. By nature, "Command" mentality
> makes dog trainers a curmudgeonly lot. The deeper a dog
> behavior digs in, the more willing a good trainer is to do
> what it takes to uproot the undesired behavior.
>
> This willingness to tackle what results in a battle of wills
> is well pronounced in dog trainers. And if you think that's
> something, try horse trainer lists, where the ante is upped X
> 1000 pounds and poor results can KILL you!
>
>
> However, "nice little horsey " types are rarely successful
> in horse training and rather self extingui****ng bringing
> about more moderation in established techniques.
>
>
> diddler the **** stain scrawled on the **** HOWES
> walls with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
>
> "I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
> are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
> how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
>
>
> Having a 100% reliable dog does not
> EVER allow for mitigated cir***stances.
>
>
> A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
>
>
> You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
> taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
> in full chase and ask them to drop anything
> they are doing, and they will.
>
>
> LIKE THIS:
>
> From: diddy <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 12:51:33 -0500
>
>
> Subject: Re: Disaster plans for dog owners
>
>
> We left Reka outside, Mr beeegs crated, Taya in the
> house.. because Reka plays when Taya doesn't want
> to, and Danny came with me. I forgot Taya counter
> surf'd. I had 3 sticks of summer sausage sitting on the
> table that I was going to give away.
>
>
> When I came home, all three sticks were gone, with
> only the paper skins left that I'd wrapped them with.
> Taya had eaten over 5 POUNDS of summer sausage!
> I just had to laugh, because otherwise, I'd have cried.
>
>
> diddy
> ---------------
>
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
>
> IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
>
>
>
> "diddy" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:Xns98696E8474475danny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> I've scorned your counter surfing dog all these years. I just
> discovered this morning,I had one also. I was slicing Beef
> tongue (remember the tongue table re: tribute to Cate's
> mom?) and I left it on the counter,while I went to read email.
>
> I suddenly saw movement in the kitchen and there was Tuck
> scarfing down 7 pounds of sliced tongue. Oh my goodness
> gracious, where did he put all of that?
>
>
> ANYWAY... I owe you an apology.
>
>
> humiliated in Ohio
> diddy
>
>
> --------------------
>
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
>
> IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
>
>
>
> "diddy" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:Xns97F28C1704634diddydiddynet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:06:26 -0500, diddy <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> my new puppy, Tuck, grabbed a raw chicken wing and
> wolfed it down on sunday. He's been in the hospital daily,
> admitted sometimes, and home montored others.He's been
> sup****ted sup****ted daily by fluids, hoping he would pass
> it, but he's destabilizing fast, and has just gone into surgery
> to have it removed from his stomach, and his intestines have
> intuscepted from being empty for so long, and they need surgery also.
>
> -------------------
>
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
>
> IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
>
> "Cappy the beagle killed one of my ducklings today.
> Tuck grabbed a leg, and swallowed a leg and thigh
> before I could get him.
>
>
> a month ago, he almost died from swallowing a
> chicken wing. Now I'm sweating all over again.
>
>
> I think he's never going to be allowed out ever
> again without a muzzle! (he seems alright thus far.
>
>
> ------------------------
>
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
>
> IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
>
>
> Re: Tuck's SAR experience
>
>
>
> "diddy" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:Xns982D2E8C7C9D6danny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> I just came in from putting chickens to bed, and Tuck
> had my computer keyboard on the floor, and there are
> now two keys missing.
> Ornery git
> -------------
>
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
>
> IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
>
>
>
> "diddy" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:Xns9839861A82FF6danny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>> in thread news:m1s5g2lsio01rsk9iisfcjotfqigmljjnp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Janet B
>> <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled the following words:
>> Curious how many choose to crate a dog forever,
>> whenever they leave the house and/or overnight,
>> or how many choose to wean from household
>> crate usage (usage being shutting the dog in the
>> crate, not the dog choosing to hang out there) at
>> some specific ages or maturity levels.
>> Not for how long during a workday, but how
>> long for a dog's lifespan?
>
>
> I plan on crating Tuck whenever NOT supervised
> (which isn't often.. he usually is with me) Until the
> day that he quits tearing apart everything in sight
> when I leave the room.
>
> A dog proof room doesn't work.
>
>
> He's figured out door knobs. He's figured out cupboards,
> and he loves to tug open dresser drawers. He's not
> interested in anything left out in the open.
>
>
> He's into treasure hunting, figuring anything worth
> secreting away is worth his effort discovering. He's
> discovered the sock stash is in drawers.
>
>
> Trash cans? --not interested.
> Counter tops? --not interested
> Counter tops -with food? --not interested
> Dog food sitting on the floorin open bags? --not interested
>
>
> razor blades from bathroom drawers? ... Very cool stuff!
>
>
> Mom really gets bent too!
>
>
> nope.. His crate is going to be occupied for
> some time to come.
>
>
> As for the beagle.. She's never been trustworthy.
>
>
> She's getting senile and never will be trustworthy,
> so a crate is in her future until she crosses the bridge.
>
>
> Reka, no crate at no time, She lost her crate when she was
> 5 months old. Both Tuck, and reka hangout in crates by choice.
>
>
> Reka dens in the bathtub usually. (kind of a crate) But she
> likes the beagles vantage point, because the beagles crate
> is on top of Tuck's. Right next to the window so she can see
> out. Tuck prefers the compartment with a view as well.
>
>
> I always have to vacate him (even though the crate on top is
> too small for both elkhounds, it's their preferred lookout)
> when I wantto stick in the beagle.
>
>
> Reka sleeps under the bed at night or in the bathtub at night
> if it's really hot. She sleeps in the bathtub by day when not
> watching from the penthouse suite.
>
>
> Tuck is not crated at night, and has chosen to sleep in
> the closet. The beagle holds down the couch, night and day.
>
>
> --------------
>
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
>
> IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
>
>
> > "diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > news:JS76a.9623
> >
> >> Taya had eaten over 5 POUNDS of summer sausage!
>
>
>
>>> I just had to laugh, because otherwise, I'd have cried.
> >
> > is taya an elkie? no point in crying over ingested summer sausage
> > is what my mom used to say. did she get the runs?
>
> Taya IS a 1/2 a cup a day for food elkie. When i told mom and dad
> that she ate 5 POUNDS, we all marveled, my goodness! Where did she
> put it all!
>
> She went to the emergency vet clinic last night in a snowstorm
> along 60 miles of ice slick roads, & blowing snow. The price
> wasn't bad $120 but she had pancreatitis.
>
>
> Crap, I should have induced vomiting when I realized it had happened.
>
>
> Going from a regular diet of ounces in a day to 5 pounds
> was bound to cause problems!
>
>
> She seemed fine at the time, and I didn't think about it.
>
>
> It could have been worse. There was NO fat in those summer sausages,
> because they were homemade. No greasy texture, and much better than
> any you buy. Because there was no fat, I had figured pancreatits
> wasn't going to be a factor.
>
>
> Wrong again.
>
>
> -------------------------
>
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
>
> IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
>
>
> Hey **** for brains? Eatin kats won't cause peritonitis:
>
>
> From: diddy
> (di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
> Subject: Re: What would you do in this situation?
> Date: 2002-05-31 14:49:22 PST
>
>
> Actually, I borrowed the vets office kitten once for a
> couple days for school education on pet care and safe
> handling as well as responsible pet owner****p.
> I kept the kitten over night in a crate within a crate
> and yet my dog (yes, Angelic Danny, as well as Taya
> and Toby tore that kittne to threads from between the
> crate bars. (apparently he stuck his paws through the
> crate to bat at the dogs. I was out doing yard work
> and rushed in to find the little kittens pieces and
> parts being torn through by ALL the dogs.
>
>
> I called my girl friend to come get my dogs. I screamed
> displeasure, and stalked out with the kitten. Danny, et
> al spent 3 days in a kennel until I finally felt like I
> could interact with them without doing bodily harm. All
> three dogs were never touched, but knew they had done
> something so unspeakable that I wouldn't associate with
> them and they got banished.
>
>
> To this day, Taya (mom and Dad's dog) and Danny will not
> look at a cat. When confronted with one, Danny wees
> himself and cowers hiding behind me for help.
>
>
> I'm not saying this would work this way with all dogs, But mom
> and dad now have a house cat, and she has never been
> harmed by any of the dogs. Danny is there all the time,
> unsupervised, and has no interest in harming the cat.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
>
> IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
>
>
> Hey a$$HOWEL? Eatin carpet won't cause peritonitis:
>
>
> diddy (di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
> Subject: Oh My God
>
>
> Two nights ago, Reka started acting frantic about 11pm.
> I let her out. It's coyote breeding season, and she is fascinated
> by them. I assumed she wanted to go out and listen to them
> howling. I brought her in, and she spent the night franticly and
> desperately demanding to go out.
>
>
> After about 4am, I finally put her in the barn, locked
> securely in a horse stall for the night.
>
>
> She came in by morning, and had a normal active, playful
> day. Last night, at 11pm, She franticly DEMANDED to go
> out. I let her out, and brought her in. At midnight, she
> DEMANDED to be let out. I let her out, but I went out
> to the barn and got a crate, and decided she could
> spend the rest of the night in the crate. We were NOT
> going to do a repeat of the previous night AGAIN.
>
>
> At 3am, she whined so loudly, I then decided not to
> allow her to set a precedence of this type of behavior.
> So I took her crate out to the heated gun shop and
> decided to let her act out her bad behavior in peace,
> and send a message that her obnoxious behavior
> was not going to be tolerated.
>
>
> This morning at 6am, I went out, and she had vomited
> (normal looking dog food) and defecated in her crate
> (not normal for Reka, but then, She normally didn't
> sleep in a crate, NEVER gets corrected (she never does
> anything to GET corrected for) and was probably nerves
> from the outside experience, plus reprimand and solitary
> confinement.)
>
>
> I let her in the house while I cleaned the cage. Hoping
> I had made my point. She acted healthy and normal, and
> playful and chipper. But then I noticed a spot of blood on
> the bathroom linoleum and in the bathtub. I was the last to
> take a bath, so I knew REKA was the last in the tub.
>
>
> That blood didnt come from me, so it HAD to come from
> Reka. Thinking about her nearing the end of her heat cycle,
> I still didnt think a lot about it. I thought her obnoxious
> behavior the past couple nights WAS her heat cycle..
> and corresponding coyote breeding season.
>
>
> Then while feeding her breakfast, I saw the whole story.
> She had blood (fresh) streaming from her RECTUM. UhOh.
>
>
> I had her at the vets office this morning before he
> opened. He just said her intestines were all bunched
> up with huge air pockets.
>
>
> Was there any chance that she ate strings of carpets? I
> said, last Thursday we took a plastic tarp out of the yard
> that we had over the grill to protect it from the weather
> because she was chewing it. That would explain
> EVERYTHING.
>
>
> The strings are binding and bunching up her intestines,
> cutting her internally and tying her intestines in knots as
> it works its way through.
>
>
> Reka is in a very critical situation. She is going to
> require extensive and expensive surgery that I cant
> afford. I will manage.
>
>
> Even with the surgery, her condition will be critical
> for awhile. Scary thoughts. I would never have
> treated her the way I did last night, if I had even a
> clue that she was sick. I feel so badly.
> --
> diddy
>
>
> ----------------
>
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
>
> IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
>
>
> HOWEver, eatin horse poop SHORE will:
>
>
>
> "diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> News:Xns993C52BAC299Bda...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> My dogs aren't into beer that much. But they sure love Horse poop!
>
>
> -----------------------
>
>
> LIKE THIS:
>
>
> From: diddy <none>
> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:00:29 -0600
> Local: Sun, Nov 11 2007 1:00 pm
> Subject: And then there were......
>
>
> I was prepared a few hours ago to post there were now
> only two dogs. But after a trip to the Dayton Emergency
> clinic, we are now only $200 poorer and brought home a
> very torb'ed up beagle.
>
>
> We estimate the beagle to be about 14.
>
>
> This morning she had severe abdominal distress. Pacing,
> whining, and crippling spasm, accompanied with the most
> pitiful moans and groans you ever heard.
>
>
> My husband said, if it's serious (LOOK HERE.. ANY PAIN OF
> THAT MAGNITUDE IS SERIOUS!) we weren't going to fix it,
> we would simply put her down. But she got out yesterday, and
> indulged in a buffet of horse meadow muffins.
>
>
> She may be impacted, and it might pass.
>
>
> I told him she's in pain, and transient or not, we
> have to do something about the pain while we
> wait to see if the issue resolves or not.
>
>
> So the vet said, if you aren't fixing it. Let's juice her
> up on Torbugesic, healthy doses of antibiotics, with reglan
> to move things along. We just treated everything. So if
> there is improvement, we will assume fixable. If not.. I
> will write that "And then there were two" post.
>
>
> to be continued.....
>
>
> ----------------------
>
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
>
> IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
>
>
> Eatin arsenic won't cause peritonitis:
>
>
> Re: Just scheduled blood test--Zipper too
>
>
>
> "diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:Xns99056C3BAB8F4danny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
in thread
> news:IeqdnZChtN4RX5jbnZ2dnUVZ_uqvnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"MauiJNP"
>
>
>> <jmh1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled the following words:
>> in thread news:IeqdnZChtN4RX5jbnZ2dnUVZ_uqvnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"MauiJNP"
>> jmh1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled the following words:
>> Seems to me, that should be a standard question for
>> any pet having any problems at this time.
>
>
> I took Tuck in last Wednesday to the vets because two weeks
> before, he had chewed some old treated lumber. Knowing that
> treated lumber used to be treated with Arsenic, and he ate a
> substantial amount, I took him into the emergency clinic and
> they treated him for arsenic poisoning.
>
> A week later, he still had a raw stomach, esophagus and stomach
> (revealed by endoscopy). He was treated with buffers, and antibiotics
> to prevent infection of the inflamed tissues. Wednesday, still not
> right, but improving, I took him back in for a recheck.
>
>
> The first thing the vet did, was ask what foods I was feeding.
> Which I understood why, but felt considering his current history,
> was rather a unnecessary question. I felt we pretty much knew
> what was going on with him.
>
>
> Since he was greatly improved, we decided not to do another
> endoscopy and just watch him. He's 100% back to normal.
> Hope Cali is too.
>
>
> ------------
>
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
>
> IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
>
> diddler the **** stain scrawled on the **** HOWES
> walls with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
>
> Subject: Re: teaching dogs "jobs"
>
> (They were taught NEVER EVER to step on a road.... No foot
> EVER touches the road!) Danny lost a tracking test once,
> because the test crossed a seldom used gravel road. When he
> reached the road, a car just happened to go by. He refused to
> cross the road, and when I took him by the collar and ****ged
> him, I was Disqualified for aiding the dog.
>
> Danny simply will NOT cross a road..
> when he was intact, not EVEN for a ***** in season.
>
> Now you have a dog that...
>
> WHOOOOPS!
>
> Whoops, Danny And Taya run away from
> unsecured yard and imbecile owner BUT
> CAREFULLY AVOID CROSSIN A ROAD.
>
> Will they survive life out in the wilderness
> out amongst diddler's coyote traps?
>
> Will they get mistaken for coyotes and sold
> to the highest bidder at the fur auction?
>
> Or will they live again to do a help dummy diddy
> do a demonstration on safe and responsible pet
> owner****p in the kitchen with the vet's office kitten?
>
> Stay tuned, fans...
>
> From: diddy (di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
> Subject: Re: cats : Crating/Caging: What constitutes abuse?
> Date: 2002-08-23 09:18:08 PST
>
> Lyn wrote:
> > > You know I'm a cat abuser because I let my cat out.
> > > Alison
> >
> > Well, it totally depends upon where you live, as to whether
> > or not doing so is in the best interest of your animal.
> > Abuser isn't a term I would use, and I am a "cat group"
> > regular.
>
> Here it would be abuse. If you like your cat you keep it
> home. I run a state authorized and monitored nuisance
> animal trapline.
>
> This morning there was a cat in a snare. Ordinarily,
> an animal caught in a snare can be released unharmed.
> One of the animals I am targeting is coyotes (and the
> complaint was that coyotes were killing area cats)
>
> Duh.. If your cats are becoming lunch for wild animals,
> to me .. It makes sense to keep your cats in where they
> can't become lunch.. whatever.
>
> Regarding this cat in the snare. It went nuts. It leaped,
> and tangled itself, and most certainly strangulated it's
> intestines. It had the snare pulled tight down to the
> diameter of a dime (just large enough to encircle the
> spine) around the waist area.
>
> This cats snarled, and attacked. Trying to extricate this cat
> was exceedingly difficult, not to mention dangerous. Because
> I feared damage to the intestines and death of the gut, I
> imagined this cat was not likely to survive.
>
> It would have been much simpler to dispatch the unfortunate
> cat and take out the dead body. Instead, this cat wore a
> collar. it deserved a chance, and the owner deserved closure.
> (no id on the collar).
>
> It escaped, just as I released it and it couldn't be taken to
> the vet for examination. I will probably never know if this
> particular cat survives the experience or not.
>
> People in the area were aware that trapping was being done and
> apparently still let their cats run free, b oth endangered by
> the traps and by the coyotes being targeted that are causing a
> problem with their cat population.
>
> Had that cat not been wearing a collar, I would not have tried
> to release this hostile cat. Releasing it may not have been a
> kindness, but then... cats weren't supposed to be attracted to
> this type of trap, in this position, and then they weren't
> supposed to go ape, to get themselves in this situation.
> If you like your pet, you keep them home.
>
> ----------------------
>
> Unless of curse, you got some EXXXTRA ammo left
> over from last year. Then you could just SHOOT them.
>
> LIKE THIS:
>
> diddler the **** stain scrawled on the **** HOWES
> walls with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
>
> "I was in that position once when Becky was hit
> by a car when my son left the yard gate open."
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
> Re: Question About Euthanasia - Not For Faint of Heart
>
> "diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
> in message news:Xns995C9D28D6616danny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Only if you are willing to be trolled. Using firearms
> is not the most palatable way to put a dog down, but
> sometimes it IS the most humane. For instance. I live
> 10 miles from a vet not an unreasonable distance for
> routine care.
>
> But one day, I was outside the fence in the company of
> my dog, when the phone rang inside the house. I ran in
> the door, and it was my dad. I said, "Dad, the dog did
> not come in with me, I'll call you back"
>
> Not aware that my dog had crossed the road to visit the
> children getting off the school bus across the street,
> I assumed her to be in her usual haunts, out in the back
> pasture or barns.
>
> I called her to come, and called her directly into the
> path of a speeding car. She got hit directly on the
> license plate and was thrown about 30 yards.
>
> I knew exaclty what had happened, when I heard the
> sickening thud, and her screams.
>
> I rushed to her, and saw the blood streaming from her
> ears and nose. her mangled little body irreparable. I
> knew she was going to die. She quit screaming when I
> went to her side. I went to move her, and she started
> screaming even louder.
>
> I knew moving her was only causing her greater agony.
> She was in enough, and the outcome was not going to be
> any better.
>
> I decided to not put her through any more, and I left
> her screaming, went in the house, got the handgun, and
> returned. I gave her a tearful hug and apology. And I
> did the hardest thing I've ever done in my whole life.
>
> I took her pain, and made it my own. She immediately
> slumped and went limp, and was silent. Quick. Taking
> her to the vet was the poorer alternative.
>
> in later years, I released a dog from the pound. She
> was dumped for biting. Knowing that most of the time,
> a dog that bites is the child's fault, I brought her
> home to see if she was salvageable in a childless home.
>
> She at least deserved an evaluation. She seemed fine,
> then the following day, with no provocation, she lunged
> for my throat. This was an unprovoked attack, and I knew
> there was probably something physically wrong with the
> dog (perhaps a brain tumor?) and regardless, she was a
> HUGE liability risk, and I could never place her.
>
> So I took her to the vet for euthanasia.
>
> The vet kept sticking her for 15 minutes, and it was the
> ugliest screaming death I ever witnessed.... until I had
> my old 18 year old companion diagnosed with systemic
> organ failure. Her old body wore out. I took her to the vet.
>
> Apparently poor circulation caused her not to use the
> euthanasia shot properly. The vet kept giving her one
> shot after another, and she dies a slow agonizing death,
> screaming, and looking at me in betrayal and dismay.
>
> I wanted to grab her from the vet, and take her home,
> and shoot her. It would have been over faster.
>
> Then I took Danny in for Euthanasia. The best dog I've
> ever had. The vet stuck him, and he went down HARD,
> screaming.
>
> He screamed for about 10 minutes.
>
> If a vet was going to get a dog right, this one he HAD
> to, and he didn't. I was furious. I'm forever sorry I
> took him to the vet, but the violence of shooting him
> was just unnacceptable to me.
>
> These are THREE different vets.
>
> I've witnessed hundreds of vet euthanasias that went
> uneventfully. But those THREE failures stick forever
> in my mind. Two on dogs very near and dear to me.
>
> If I could accept the violence and had the fortitude
> to do the job myself, those dogs would have never
> needlessly suffered. A bullet properly placed is quick
> and final.
>
> Perhaps the OP has had not so good experiences, and
> just wants to be sure the job is done right. I don't
> necessarily consider them a troll (however I strongly
> suspect that they are, and if they have to ask what
> caliber to use, they probably are not a good enough
> shot that they should attempt this)
>
> ------------------
>
> SEE??
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
> From diddy <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:43:30 -0500
>
> Subject: Re: Rural person needs help euthanizing his loving pet.
>
> I think sedating her with benedryl until she was overly sleepy, and
> injecting her with Epsom salts IV should cause such chemical
> imbalance that it should do the trick.
>
> I'm not sure how humane that would be, It would cause a heart attack.
> Well placed gun shots are probably the most immediate, effective and
> humane, but then, you said that was not acceptable. Carbon dioxide is
> NOT humane.. it's slow and agonizing as the other g***** in car
> exhaust burn out the lungs causing agonizing death.
>
> ----------------------------
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
> diddler the **** stain scrawled on the **** HOWES
> walls with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
> > We have a beagle. Before we got our last one,
> > we knew what to expect and spent a year re-enforcing
> > the fence.
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
> > What we did.
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
> > Double fencing, hardware cloth lined on the inside.
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
>> Wood ties under gates.
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
>> A chicken wire apron extending out into the yard
>> 12 inches.(hog ringed to the upright fencing).
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
> > We chose chicken wire because it was flexible
> > and ground conforming. grass grows right over
> > it, making it invisible and easy to mow over.
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
> > It's tacked down by tent stakes every 10 inches.
> > (this is our most considerable investment)
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
> > The problems with it is that it eventually disintegrates,
> > rusts, pulls apart and need repair a lot.
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
> > We placed tile blocks over the top, because
> > the tent stakes stick up, and sometimes get
> > hit by the lawnmower.
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
> > Overall, it's a pretty decent system and works
> > MOST of the time.
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
> > The beagle is persistent, and tends to work the inner
> > fencing, that's flimsy down, or tear it, making exit holes.
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
>> We recently cut down a couple yard trees that broke
>> down sections of the fence and they need re-enforcement.
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
> > When the weather breaks, a whole new fence is
> > in order, but the system works MOST of the time.
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
> > We did install an underground perimeter E-fence
> > at the fence line, and found a single strand 12 inch
> > high electric cattle fence around the perimeter was
> > just as effective, cheaper, less bothersome (no need
> > to wear heavy e-collars.. especially that mess up coats),
> > but both needed occassional maintenence.
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
> > What we did.
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
> > I admit our system fails occassionally, especially
> > when snow drifts are over the top of the fences
> > and erase any identifiable fenceline.
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
> > We installed (BEFORE getting the beagle) a 100
> > foot trolly line that crosses the yard.
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
> > This is a safe, effective restraint system that has
> > always worked when immediate repairs or extra
> > security is desired.
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
> > If I go away and leave the beagle outside. He goes
> > to the trolly line, whether the containment system
> > is currently working or not.
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
> > It's great for emergency situations, and the $17 last
> > resort system gets used for the beagle far more than
> > I ever expected. It still allows reasonable exercise
> > range of area and mobility. The elkhounds and the
> > beagle still play avidly, and it's the cheapest piece of
> > mind security ever.
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
> > A trolly tether system is the best for tem****ary
> > containment while discovering where the leak is.
> > In the snow, it's easy to discover the
> > leak. In the summer, it's more difficult.
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
> > I do not like, or use our current underground collar system
>
> "I admit our system fails occassionally"
>
> ---------------
>
> SEE?
>
> Here's diddler BUYIN a BREEDIN ***** and signing a
> BREED LEASE AGREEMENT and THEN "FORGETTIN"
> she had a OBLIGATION to BREED a GENETICALLY
> DEFECTIVE dog...
>
> diddler the **** stain scrawled on the **** HOWES
> walls with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
>
> so she kept a puppy (Danny) and when he became too difficult to
> handle, had IT surgically ***ually mutilated after collecting and
> freezing semen for future BREEDING of her GENETICALLY
> DEFECTIVE "stud dog":
>
>
> "I argued that she was not temperamentally sound.
>
>
> Danny was an offspring of tthat litter.
>
>
> Danny has three crosses in his pedigree to this same fruity
> dog. Danny p***** it on. I had to work with every one of
> those puppies in their homes. Every one of them spent a month
> or more in my house at a year old doing rehab , before I spent
> a week or more in their owners houses teaching them how to train
> and work with their pups.
>
>
> A litter that requires this DOES have temperament issues.
> At the same time, each of these families has their name
> on a list, should I ever breed Danny again (He has semen
> on store)"
>
>
> From: diddy <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:07:51 -0500
>
>
> Subject: Re: "Timmie's in the well!!"
>
>
>
> BethF wrote:
>> "diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:3E244F7F.D6398764@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > BethF wrote:
>> > > "Shelly" <s...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> > > news:v2807shbe9h152@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > > Since Bodhi has arrived, Coda has earned himself a new
>> > > > nickname: "Fun Police".
>> > > > (Regardless if it's something he would've done as a puppy or
not!)
>
>> > > LOL! Isn't that funny - kind of the opposite of Kavik.
>
>
>> > Danny is a fun police also!! Miss Reka and Mr beeeeegs frustratingly
>> > just ignore him. (Danny never did those things in his youth, however,
>> > as he was a very serious puppy, hence, I thought he had a potential
>> > temperament problem and didn't sell him)
>
>
>> Temperment problems? Isn't that funny. Danny. Temperment
>> problems. Its a damn good thing you didn't sell him though.
>
>
>
> Dannys mother had temperament problems.. and I had leased her to
> breed (she was a top producing kennel dog), when brought into a home
> condition, she had no resiliency. She was finished as a puppy in just 5
> shows, and then never left the kennel again except to whelp puppies.
>
> I very much admired her structure/pedigree/bloodlines/health
> testing/"get and their performance records"
>
>
> She had just had a litter and had to be bottle raised because she had no
> milk. The breeder lamented that she thought she would probably not
> ever be bred again because of the milk problem. I took her home on
> vacation. however i signed legal lease papers with a breeding
> clause.
>
>
> I never intended to breed her. I thought the papers i was
> signing was to prevent me from breeding her.
>
>
> After keeping her for two years, the breeder told me it was time to
> breed her and return half the litter that I owed during her "lease"
>
>
> I told her I did NOT want to breed her, and her phobia about leaving
> fences, fear of noises, etc was not something i wanted to have in a
> dog.
>
>
> She said i "OWED" her a 1/2 litter of puppies per contract. i long ago
> threw out my contract, and she sent me a copy of hers. Sure enough, I
> HAD to breed her. I argued that she was not temperamentally sound.
>
>
> She was a ditz, and trying to work with her only to find her so
> institutionalized that when she dissappeared, she was ALWAYS
> standing at the gate ****vering wanting to get INTO the safety of
> the fenced yard.
>
>
> (running away was not an issue with her.. she couldn't stand being
> in a decision making situation,, and couldn't stand being outside a
> fence... hardly the kind of dog that fits my lifestyle)
>
>
> I did the obligatory breeding, and never dealt with that breeder again.
>
>
> Danny was an offspring of tthat litter. I was worried looking for
> instability. Her offspring from other litters had a history of being
> darlings, but with the neurotic behavior she had) Danny would never
> play. He would sit analyzing anything the other puppies did, and if
> they screamed, he would never do what they did again. He wouldn't
> play... He just watched, deciding what was ok.. and what wasn't.
>
>
> He figured if a puppy screamed while they were roughhousing, all
> roughhousing was bad. He'd be in the middle of the pack trying to
> break them up (fun police).. he took this to extreme in every facet
> of his life, and I feared he was going to be like his mom, and
> eventually aftraid to leave the fence.
>
>
> The home I had picked for him had two little boys, and I was afraid
> they would intimidate him (in spite of them being great and gentle
> little boys, into being a fear biter if forced beyond the bounds of what
> he thought he was appropriate.) So i kept Danny and gave this family
> glowing refeerrals to another family.
>
>
> They watched Danny grow up, and his accomplishments, and felt
> that I kept "Their" dog out of selfish reasons. They knew he was
> a "star" and just kept him from them *sigh*
>
>
> Danny was the easiest yet hardest dog i ever had to train in my life.
> He was bright, tried never to make any mistakes, you only showed him
> something once, he took learning so seriously that he would practice.
>
>
> Yet if he failed or misunderstood, he crashed. He'd be afraid to try it
> again, or assume the whole exercise was wrong, and he was to never
> do that exercise again. If he feared he was going to make a mistake,
> he stood there like a statue with his eyes closed and just shook.
>
>
> He has been since VERY young, a perfectionist. He's still a
> perfectionist. Yes, I considered this a temperament fault when
> carried to this extreme. He worries about perfection even now,
> until he gets ulcers :)
>
>
> He did not belong in the home that was supposed to be his. That home
> lost their dog they got instead, because the kids let the gate open,
> and the dog ran out and got killed in traffic. I'm glad he stayed.
>
>
> His puppies also have that sensitivity and perfectionist streak. In
> the right hands, it's a gift. In the wrong hands, it's a disaster. Is it
> a temperament problem? yes and no..
>
>
> it's not a temperament just any family usa should have and could
> deal with. so in essence, it's a temperament problem. To me, and
> those homes who got his puppies, and then had me do in home
> visits to teach them how to handle it have found it a special gift.
>
>
> He's definitely a dog that is not for everyone.
>
>
> His great great grandfather was also known more for his intelligence
> than his champion****p, He won a National Specialty, and yet he was
> bred twice, and his puppies had the same wierdness and intelligence.
>
>
> MOST people couldn't handle them, and he got neutered. Never-
> the-less, Danny has three crosses in his pedigree to this same fruity
> dog. I think he got it honestly.
>
>
> On the same note, Danny p***** it on. I had to work with every one of
> those puppies in their homes. Every one of them spent a month or more
> in my house at a year old doing rehab , before I spent a week or more
> in their owners houses teaching them how to train and work with their
> pups.
>
>
> A litter that requires this DOES have temperament issues. At the same
> time, each of these families has their name on a list, should I ever
> breed Danny again (He has semen on store) I sold every pup on a
> spay/neuter contract (this was before limited registration)
>
>
> One violated that contract and bred their dog anyway. He's a champion
> and as the only pup from Danny that was ever bred, many people bred
> to him. Those puppies did NOT have the sup****t my Danny puppies had,
> and there were a bunch of disturbed and temperament problems in those
> litters. I've been rescueing Elkhounds trying to clean up the mess
> since.
>
>
> You could never guess by looking at Danny that there was a
> temperament problem. It was trained out when he was very
> young. It's non-existant.. but it's there in his genes.. in that
> can in storage.
>
>
> It's the reason I never bred him again. Although I would "like to"
> someday. If I could find the right *****, and knew that she would
> have only "ONE" puppy.. for "me".
>
>
> I had discovered that that very temperament weakness was his strength
> that made him very special. Because it takes special handling to turn
> it from detriment to gift.. I _do_ consider it a "problem".
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> diddler the **** stain scrawled on the **** HOWES
> walls with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
>
> "I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
> are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
> how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
>
>
> Having a 100% reliable dog does not
> EVER allow for mitigated cir***stances.
>
>
> A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
>
>
> You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
> taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
> in full chase and ask them to drop anything
> they are doing, and they will.
>
> ---------------------
>
> And then you WONder...
> An then you don't <{}: ~ ( >
>
> BWEEEAAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
>
>
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