HOWEDY S.Smith,
"S.Smith" <sasmith39@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Judy" <doubleq@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "S.Smith" <sasmith39@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> Petey tries to get out the front door, tugs and pulls on the leash...
You can EXXXTINGUISH those behaviors NEARLY
INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERY THING
EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE
you and your newfHOWEND lyin animal murderin
punk thug coward active acute chronic life-long
incurable malignant maliciHOWES MENTAL
CASE PALS PREFER <{}: ~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
"Greg M. Silverman" <gmsNOS...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
Hey, Mr. Wizard, or Alchemist or whatever your alias
of the day is, have to say that our dog heels much
better than she did. This is after reading and
implementing the bit in your "Wits End" treatise.
And she's a royal nutter (but then again, aren't they all?).
Cheers! Greg--
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AND LIKE THIS:
From: <n> To: "Jerry Howe"
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Damned Family Leader****p Exercise -
Re: Am I expecting to much
Hi Jerry,
When I talked to you on the phone to order to machine
for daughter's new pup, I told you that I had an older
Chessie. I rescued him at 9 years old and have had him
for 3 years.
It's funny, but I thought I'd try some of your book training
with him.
Where I used to say "come" and then say "good boy"
when he obeyed, I have reversed it with a "good boy" first.
It really does work. He was very confused at first,
wondering what he had done to get the praise.
But it really gets the attention and distracts him from
whatever he may have going through his brain when
he hears it.
Dogs are funny, but people are too. Can't wait to get
the Doggy do Right, etc.
Thanks,
N
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AND LIKE THIS:
"Ama...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" wrote:
No, the dog learned that I would hold still the second she
began to pull. She would pull to go where *she* wanted.
Well if she wanted to stop and go in another direction...
say to sniff my neighbors yard.. she learned if she wanted
to do it I would stop walking and she could go.. and if there
wasn't enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.
Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl heel..
smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go" and finish *my*
thing.
I would refuse to move .. i looked like an idiot.. freezing
mid walk for minutes waiting for *my* dog to heel and give
*me* permission to go again.
I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.
I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose pit
and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective.. we had
a new pup on the way.. and i needed help..
i followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only when my
pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was better than what
she wanted.. which was not often.
She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she could see
my hands were empty. So I called Jerry... he chatted me
for about an hour and a half.. gave me his link... and even
when i had probs intro'ing the pup he called me withn i5 mins
of my email for help at 10pm on a sunday night.
One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after the hot
and cold exercise and i could zig zag down my street..
about face .. whatever.. and never had tension.
two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.
And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he even
looked like he was going near my husband or kids.. is
nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside.. actually
watches him to make sure he doesn't go in the house...
and has milk.. which is awesome since she's 19 months old
and has never had a litter.
She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.
She also does her commands on cue..and doesn't look for a treat.
Amanda.
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AND LIKE THIS:
"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The
F***ing Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works very good!
But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on A4-size
paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching him something
new takes about 30minutes (depending on what to teach offcourse)
My other dog (a 7year old stafford****re terrier-mix) is a bit
slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad
dog"whenever he did something i didn't want him to do, or
it might be the age.
Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn
something new: he wants me to bring along the can
filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a
very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a
"good dog", and never a "bad dog"
There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved.
For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without
beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog,
he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask
permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!
My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them),
maybe this helped too.
Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html
-- Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/
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"Paul B" <some...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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When I trained both my dogs to "heel" or walk close
to me I ended up going to the parks and teaching
them without a lead at all, that ensured I had to use
good communication and was unable to be tempted
to use the lead to correct them.
Another part of the training I agree with is not using
the "policeman" approach, where you tell a dog "no"
or react with it in such a way that you become involved
in the behaviour (by trying to stop it), this approach
often results in a dog ceasing the behaviour when you
are about but doing it when you aren't (bin raiding,
counter surfing etc).
Basically you are taught to make your dog a good
friend who likes and wants to work for you for the
pleasure of working for you (setting the hierarchy
is included in this), teach it to recall reliably,
then to do everything else (sit, stay down etc etc).
Unwanted behaviours are addressed as they occur.
If you understand what you are trying to achieve and
are prepared to work with it you can get great results.
Paul
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>>> I have 4' and a 6' leashes.
You've regressed r.p.d.b. by eight years:
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?qt_s=1&q=%22what+we+lose+when+we+leash%22
HERE'S HOWE COME:
From: TooCool (larrym...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leader****p exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?).
--Larry
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>>> He jumps up on visitors and us as well.
Oh, well, then, you need some PROFESSIONAL
OBEDIENCE TRAININ~!
LIKE THIS:
Here's pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
anonymHOWES coward, not so handsome,
not so gentle, not so manly, not so happy
jackass, not even morrison aka dogman a.k.a.
BIG DADDY, a.k.a. tommy sorenson:
"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use a little
"knee action," that is, as the dog goes charging by
you, just give the dog a little bop with your knee
and ****n.
Yep, really lean into it.
Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
make her think twice about ru****ng past you again -
- which is exactly what you want her to do.
Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.
If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.
When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and ****ge her with your knee. Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."
I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training. That is, she just
needs *more* of it."
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"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
author: "CourteHOWES Canine."
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?
When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first
time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth
and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with
this but just ignore him and continue your normal
behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"CourteHOWES Canines"
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Here again is the pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
anonymHOWES coward, not so handsome, not so
gentle, not so manly, not so happy jackass, not even
morrison aka dogman a.k.a. BIG DADDY, a.k.a.
tommy sorenson:
"My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.
A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.
Okay. Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
really matters. Saving lives and making dogs become
good citizens
At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
*not* constitute a "beating."
"Swatting a dog on the nose is
always the wrong thing to do."
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SEE?
>>> Barks at a leaf as it falls from the tree,
>>> I guess thinking maybe it is a bird.
Oh, well, you just gotta TRAIN your dog <{}: ~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
diddler the **** stain scrawled on the wall
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated cir***stances.
A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.
I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"
Subject: Re: untrainable beagle! NEED HELP
"diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> in thread news:BO2Lg.4755$xV.1684@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"graham
> fandango!" <gmey...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled the following words:
> i have a ten year old beagle who i got from the animal
> shelter 5 years ago. its pretty clear he was abused in
> some form before he ended up in the shelter; when ever
> i reach for something, like the tv remote, too quickly he
> flinches. he gets scared when i sweep the kitchen floor
> and hides under the bed.
I have one too. I don't know her past history,or her age.
I use an antibark collar on her for my sanity. She's very
quiet, until I take it off. It doesn't train her not to bark,
because she barks when the collar is off. (beagles "Do
that")
There may not even be batteries in it, but she doesn't
bark... just in case.I'd supervise the first time you try
it, because I've heard of some dogs barking, and going
so spazzy over them that they died.
I really don't think you are going to train a dog that
age, especially a beagle, NOT to bark. I see your
options as being:
1) anti-bark collar
a)citronella
b)electronic
c)bark buster (your neighbors will
probably complain asmuch about
that as the howlng)
2) surgical debarking
3) placing the dog and accepting the consequences
4) moving
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"diddy" <none> wrote in message
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<barneytoe@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spoke these words of wisdom in news:
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> The shock is minimal and nothing to worry about.
>
> There are 2 different types that frequent this group:
> the high falutin city folk that believe dogs should be
> treated like children, and the answer for any problem
> is "enroll them in class and spend $300 to teach them
> not to do it, and put them in time-out, but be sure
> their paw socks are on before stepping outside if under
> 50 degrees, etc."
First, I know of a dog with an antibark collar, who
protested so violently, he spazzed out and killed himself.
He was found dead in his kennel the next morning.
What dog training schools charge $300?
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"diddy" <none> wrote in message
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> so many of the old timers remember
> bethf and her dogs kavik and toklat
You mean BINACA bethFIST?
For SHORE!
She's a professional dog trainer just like you, diddler.
> Many of us have been entertained by the
> Kavik-cam, and videos of Kavik on Ice.
INDEEDY!
Too bad she didn't make a video of her sprayin BINACA
in her dog's eyes to break his anXXXIHOWESNESS
barkin in her OBEDIENCE CLASS <{}: ~ ( >
> I just found out that Kavik died suddenly July
> 19, while BethF was on a business trip.
BINACA bethFIST'S DEAD DOG Kavik DROPPED
DEAD from BARKIN while IT was bein boarded for
a couple days JUST LIKE HOWE lyin lois edward's
DEAD DOG Duke DROPPED DEAD from BARKIN
while bein boarded overnight at the vets <{}: ~ ) >
> There was no warning,
Well, YES THERE WAS, diddler.
> he simply had a blood clot to the brain.
You mean he had a STROKE from BARKIN.
> BethF is understandably very shocked,
Not as much as Kavik was SHOCKED.
> saddened, feeling cheated, and a little bit angry.
Oh, you mean she's NORMAL.
> I know many of us enjoyed Kavik for years.
That so?
> I'm disheartened to share with all of you
> the news of his loss. Kavik was the Samoyed.
Yeah. Here's his CASE HISTORY, diddler:
BethF wrote:
> > As for you Beth, since you don't have any experience
> > with being good at anything, I can see why you might
> > diagnose someone who is somewhere between good
> >and great at everything he engages in as suffering from
> > some sort of mental illness. You're a complete nobody
> > who is good at blabbering on newsgroups.
>
> > It took you a year of ham handed man handling and
> > abusive training to teach a dog not to bark. You shocked,
> > you choked, you binaca breath sprayed, you citronella'd
> > and now you are finally entering an agility trial after who
> > knows HOWE long you have trained, and you are SURE
> > you are going to FAIL before you even start.
> you think i am good at blabbering on newsgroups?!?!
>
> I am sooo flattered!
You're a yenta's yenta.
> so when are you going to enter a trial?
> (p.s. i never shocked
Oh...?
Apparently, you are mistaken?
Or Moore accurately, you are simply LYING:
From: BethF (d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
Date: 2001-08-31 12:35:28 PST
I know of three dogs we tried electric shock collars on and
both were VERY sensitive and freaked out about the shocks.
None of those dogs were phased by the citronella collar,
particularly. It was clearly a deterrent but no one behaved
as if it was particularly distressing.
My dog in particular will ignore the citronella if he
feels making noise is VERY im****tant (for example
this week walking through the state fair he kept barking
away, and didn't even seem to notice) but was WAY
freaked out by the low setting on the shock collar.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Perhaps it depends on the sensitivity of the dogs nose vs the skin.
Some dogs are more sensitive scentwise than others. Perhaps for a
scenthound the citronella is much worse than for a sight oriented
breed. (of course its all complete speculation).
--
-Beth, Pseudo usenet cop
Traded BikeE FX for Merlin MTB, BikeE AT,
RANS gliss and Trek R200 Owned by Kavik
(Samoyed Boy) Anchorage, Alaska
"Beth F" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
"Hold Back The Dobie Girl So That
Izzy Can Put Simon In His Place."
"Well, actually the binaca worked but after i
got him in the eye it was not a possibility to
be using that."
"Actually, the most common use of this technique
(and it is quite common) is with TABASCO sauce
either mixed with water in a spray bottle or on a rag
that you can stick in the dogs mouth instead of spraying
(after our experience I would suggest this method if I
was going to use this technique again). My dog likes
tabasco so that didnt' work for us.
Binaca was suggested as an alternative from a very
well respected dog trainer from the lower 48, however
I don't think she counted on his flailing his head in a
desperate attempt to get away from the sprayer causing
me to miss."
"Whatever motivates the dog, but I daresay most
of the dogs I have in cl***** just aren't that interested
in praise."
"I dont' jerk or choke my dog (the little one is
too little yet for a pinch collar). They simply
wear pinch collars. It prevents any jerking or
choking on their part."
"My dog in particular will ignore the citronella if he
feels making noise is VERY im****tant (for example
this week walking through the state fair he kept barking
away, and didn't even seem to notice) but was WAY
freaked out by the low setting on the shock collar."
"i didn't EVER shock kavik. i myself have never
touched a shock collar."
"Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away
is to step on him once. Seriously."
"BethF" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "Chris Mortimer" <chr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> snip
Chris, why dont' you give one example where one
of the regulars here has suggested someone hit,
alpha-roll, choke-chain a dog?
"BethF" b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
and i often call my little dog the turd, because
he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
would insult my dog like that so i guess its just
a matter of personality.
Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away
is to step on him once. Seriously.
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From: "The Puppy Wizard"
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003
Subject: Treats
From: BethF (d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: For Michael
Date: 2002-07-07 02:08:12 PST
>> I know of three dogs we tried electric shock collars
>> on and both were VERY sensitive and freaked out
>> about the shocks. None of those dogs were phased
>> by the citronella collar, particularly. It was clearly a
>> deterrent but no one behaved as if it was particularly
>> distressing.
>> My dog in particular will ignore the citronella if he
>> feels making noise is VERY im****tant (for example
>> this week walking through the state fair he kept barking
>> away, and didn't even seem to notice) but was WAY
>> freaked out by the low setting on the shock collar.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Whoops, there is more to this post - ok
>
> Here's what's accurate. You shocked, you sprayed
> binaca at your dog's face and were stupid enough
> to be "surprised" that he would desperately try to
> avoid the stinging.
>
> You citronella'd, you undoubtedly choked, at
> some point (denials notwithstanding) and I'm
> sure it got "ugly" many times in six months,
> like like it got ugly for Diddy in the six months
> before she decided to lock a "rescue" dog in
> an electrified horse stall to keep him from
> running away.
actually binaca in your mouth doesnt' sting.
it just doesnt' taste like something kavik likes.
binaca in the eyes is another story.
i didn't EVER shock kavik. i myself have never
touched a shock collar.
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
> FurtherMOORE, you went to GREAT GREAT
> GREAT lengths to blame your folly and ineptitude
> on the fact that your dog was "insensitive" and you
> went to even greater lengths to blame your folly
> and ineptitude on his "breed."
He is insensitive and he is bred to bark. I don't
BLAME any of this on him, i picked out his breed.
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
> The people who are your "mentors" and "gurus"
> are big fat brainless Alaskan sized heifers who
> will try any amount of pain or force to stop a
> behavior because they aren't smart enough to
> accomplish the task in another way.
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
> They taught you well.
Some of the folks at the club do use pain to
train their dogs, but i avoid them.
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
> > so you aren't human!! do tell Michael!
> I believe the technical term is superhuman.
> have a nice day...
I see. Are you like the bionic man?
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From: BethF (d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: to treat or not to treat
Date: 2002-01-14 12:50:27 PST
> "Jerry Howe" <jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
<news:8TI%7.10635$du.948527@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
> > And you jerk and choke your dogs on pronged
> > spiked pinch choke collars lock them in boxes
> > and call that training and spray Binaca in their eyes
> > to quite their crate anxiety barking...
I dont' jerk or choke my dog (the little one is
too little yet for a pinch collar). They simply
wear pinch collars.
It prevents any jerking or choking on their part.
I do crate my dogs - the big one only at the dog
club and to travel, and the little one so he can
become accustomed to being in a crate.
He is learning to enjoy it and to use it as a place
to rest from the playing that he and Kavik do
..
I used binaca to quiet Kavik's in class whining
that disturbed the class. It would be quite difficult
to binaca a dog that is in a crate.
I did hit him in the eye accidentally, and stopped
using it at that time. Jerry, have you NEVER made
an error in training the dogs you have trained?
How many dogs have you trained exactly?
Can you list some references here - I
would like to contact some of your former
clients to get a reference or two?
> > > "Andy" <behm_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > > news:40a09641.0201091948.784898cb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > I am just trying to see everyone stands
> > > > on treats or rewards for obedience?
> > > > Andy
> > "BethF" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > news:u3uajqi2ncoc48@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > I treat.
> > > --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop
> > > Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss,
> > > Trek R200, Kickbike
> > > Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy)
> > > Anchorage, Alaska
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
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From: BethF (d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
Date: 2001-09-04 13:09:25 PST
Actually, the most common use of this technique
(and it is quite common) is with TABASCO sauce
either mixed with water in a spray bottle or on a rag
that you can stick in the dogs mouth instead of spraying
(after our experience I would suggest this method if I
was going to use this technique again). My dog likes t
tabasco so that didnt' work for us.
Binaca was suggested as an alternative from a very
well respected dog trainer from the lower 48, however
I don't think she counted on his flailing his head in a
desperate attempt to get away from the sprayer causing
me to miss.
His vet reassured me that the binaca could do no
serious damage, nor did it seem to hurt him badly -
he just wiped his eye for a minute or so until I rinsed
it out (which he seemed more pissed about than the
actual spray).
We went to the vet immediately who called me a
jewish mother and sent us home.
but I think that your *****sment of to handle barking
is based on your non-barking breeds - in some dogs
the drive to bark is REALLY big, and it takes some
big time discouragement to get rid of it.
To be quite frank after trying months and months
of different techniques the binaca was the only
thing that worked.
I wouldn't discredit the concept (although I do
most certainly discredit the binaca sprayer as
a good idea in case of issues like mine)
--
-Beth, Pseudo usenet cop
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From: YourDoggysMomma @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Child" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:45:22 -0900
Subject: Re: best way to stop barking
> What do you do if the dog comes
> but barks at the same time?
"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most
Of The Dogs I Have In Cl***** Just Aren't That
Interested In Praise," BINACA bethFIST <{); ~ ) >
From: lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Lucy A. Afar)
Date: 23 Oct 2004 03:12:46
Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
"Child" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>...
> "Lucy A. Afar" <lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
> message
> > "Child" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>...
> > > "Lucy A. Afar" lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote in message
> > > > > What makes you think that what the rest of
> > > > > us do is either violent or doesn't produce good
> > > > > results?
>
> > > > If a young healthy dog that was trained
> > > > according to one of those generally accepted,
> > > > mainstream methods is euthanized by her loving
> > > > owner and trainer, then I do have reservations
> > > > about the method AND its results, I confess.
> > > > Likewise, if - according to one of those
> > > > mainstream, generally accepted methods - a
> > > > dog's life can be saved ONLY by inflicting
> > > > physical pain on the dog, I do tend to think
> > > > that the said method is violent - wouldn't
> > > > you?
> > > > It's like someone offering to give you a good
> > > > beating in order to make you behave in a way
> > > > that allows you to live - would the fact that
> > > > the beating saves yourlife make it less violent?
> > > > Would it hurt less, or would it hurt more, if the
> > > > person who administers the beating is the one you
> > > > love most and whom you'd like with all your heart
> > > > to trust?
> > > I have no understanding how this relates to the
> > > question?
> > > Are you trying to imply that we are beating our dogs? >
> > "Beating your dogs?" No, Beth, not you - you just
> > step on your dog, to teach him manners:
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&selm=v4r8kkfr257e1a%40corp....
> > <<Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay
> > away is to step on him once. Seriously.>>
> youve' never accidentally stepped on a
> dog who is underfoot in the kitchen?
Accidentally? Yes. Intentionally? Never.
> if not, then you are either a liar, or have no dogs.
"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most
Of The Dogs I Have In Cl***** Just Aren't That
Interested In Praise," BINACA bethFIST <{); ~ ) >
I do have dogs, and I'm not lying. The way it was
phrased in your post, I understood it as you were
advising the other person to step on the dog
INTENTIONALLY - as a "best way to teach him
to stay away". I'd be too glad to learn that I was
wrong, because you were the last person I'd have
expected to be cruel to her own dogs.
The part about spraying aversives in the dog's face
is still something that I can't understand: are you
really doing that to your dogs? And is that better
than praising the poor creature when barking, thus
validating his dog behavior?
> > and spray aversives in his face, to make
> > him stop barking:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&selm=4pk56u48cmgjohk1qbkk7l...
> > << I sympathize with you - i received a great deal
> > << of hostility for not getting my dogs barking and
> > << whining under control at the dog club - apparently,
> > << I wasn't trying hard enough.
> > I was given many different techniques to
> > try from treating when quiet, from teaching
> > bark-nobark and treating, from aversives (binaca
> > and tobasco) and NOTHING worked.
>
> > Well, actually the binaca worked but after i got
> > him in the eye it was not a possibility to be using
> > that.>> Why not try the terribly dangerous technique of
> > praising Kavik when he barks? Do you think it could be
> > worse than binaca in his eyes?
> Because it increases the incidence of barking, Jerry.
"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most
Of The Dogs I Have In Cl***** Just Aren't That
Interested In Praise," BINACA bethFIST <{); ~ ) >
I'm not Jerry, and you know it.
I have no interest in promoting Jerry's method -except
that it works. FOR MY DOGS, yes - and much as Ilike to
think that my dogs are special, reason prompts that they
are not THAT special, or not in this particular way.
I did try praising Bonnie for barking, and by simply
going to check what was going on, by validating her
behavior (she was just warning me that someone was
coming, she was a GOOD DOG, for that) and telling her
that she was a "good dog" was NOT supposed to
reinforce the BARKING, but the idea that I knew why
she was doing what she was doing, and that it was OK.
And the fact is that this DID put an end to obsessive
barking, almost instantly. So it did NOT increase the
incidence of barking, Beth - just the contrary.
I did this experiment with my dog, because it couldn't
have made things worse than they already were - she
was barking like mad each time when someone was
passing in front of our door. And I was curious
to see if this strange method worked, in such an
extreme case. I don't expect you to believe me, but to
claim that it would do this or that without checking
and dismissing as "lies" all the re****ts of people
like me who have tried and found out that the method
worked is really not what I'd expect from an intelligent
honest person. Especially when the best YOU can come
with in order to solve this problem, is the binaca solution.
From: Tara <tara.gre...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sat, 22 Feb 2003
Subject: Re: Bad morning (vent)
BethF wrote:
> "ThePuppyWizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote in message
> News:3E57C32F.7070...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Would you NOT spray BINACA in her eyes for this?
> You know, Jerry, it would probably behoove you to
> pick on me about something that i didn't say was the
> stupidest thing i ever did to my dog, wouldn't it?
> Why don't you choose something that i currently do,
> or something i approve of instead, because quite
> frankly this is ancient history.
Oh C'mon Beth, don't be a spoils****t. He's got to be
able to grasp at *something*.....and straws are SO
hard to come by these days.
"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most
Of The Dogs I Have In Cl***** Just Aren't That
Interested In Praise," BINACA bethFIST <{) ; ~ ) >
Tara
From: "BethF" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001
Subject: Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
message
news:81q1ptk2so6qf73kbv9smbpe21acca2q6c@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Sat, 1 Sep 2001 01:14:35 +0100, "roo"
> <r...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> >Yell quiet, walk over and spray him in the mouth
> >> >with it. He hates the binaca so it works, however
> >> >I hit him in the face once and that was the end of that.
>
> >> Geez. You're lucky you didn't damage his eyes or
> >> something. How about this: you ignore him when he
> >> barks, and praise him when he's quiet so he
> >> learns what "quiet" means. And if you're gone,
> >> he's in the house. Not too many dogs bark
> >> problematically when they're in the
> >> house
> >> Sally Hennessey
> > I get the idea that greyhounds aren't problem
> > barkers! Mine will bark anywhere, and when
> > they are lying down. They are a barky breed mix.
> > But I gave up water pistols with Rug years back after
> > they stopped working - the initial shock did shut him
> > up, then he got used to it.
> Not normally. But Greyhounds aren't the only breed I
> have, and I have had problem barkers. Northern
> breeds don't tend to be barkers either, though they
> can be talkers or rooers. I believe Beth has a
> Sammy; I have Siberians. It's true that I have no
> experience with typically barky breeds such as
> Shelties. Regardless of my level of experience
> with barky breeds, I still don't think that spraying
> Binaca in a dog's mouth (or in its face, if you
> miss) is a good way to handle barking.
Actually, the most common use of this technique (and
it is quite common) is with TABASCO sauce either mixed
with water in a spray bottle or on a rag that you can
stick in the dogs mouth instead of spraying (after our
experience I would suggest this method if I was going
to use this technique again). My dog likes tabasco so
that didnt' work for us. Binaca was suggested as an
alternative from a very well respected dog trainer
from the lower 48, however I don't think she counted
on his flailing his head in a desperate attempt to get
away from the sprayer causing me to miss. His vet
reassured me that the binaca could do no serious
damage, nor did it seem to hurt him badly - he just
wiped his eye for a minute or so until I rinsed it
out (which he seemed more pissed about than the actual
spray). We went to the vet immediately who called me a
jewish mother and sent us home.
but I think that your *****sment of to handle barking
is based on your non-barking breeds - in some dogs the
drive to bark is REALLY big, and it takes some big
time discouragement to get rid of it. To be quite
frank after trying months and months of different
techniques the binaca was the only thing that worked.
I wouldn't discredit the concept (although I do
most certainly discredit the binaca sprayer as a good
idea in case of issues like mine).
============
Those "ISSUES LIKE MINE" are INSANITY <{}: ~ ( >
>>> He has the run of a nice large well fenced backyard.
>>> What I want is a dog that can live with us and takes
>>> a break sometime.
No, what you WANT is to learn HOWE to HURT your dog.
>> He can be that. It doesn't sound to me like he is behaving
>> like anything other than a typical untrained dog. The simple
>> answer to each of your problems is "don't let him do that".
judy is a lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASE.
>> Now, barking at the leaf is going to be difficult to break him of,
THAT'S INSANE.
>> although age and experience on his part will help.
THAT'S ABSURD.
>> You did get a reactive breed.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>> My dogs spend much of their time on the back of
>> the couch watching the world. Leaves don't set them
>> off, nor does any regular occurence like the mailman.
judy is a LIAR.
>> A squirrel on the front ****ch is going to be greeted
>> by a deafening alarm. But birds are ignored.
THAT'S ABSURD.
>>> BarkBusters is one-on-one training, giving us the tools
>>> with voice and body language (the trainer comes to the
>>> house). Petey really relates best to men (trainer) and
>>> responds. When it is up to me that is a different story.
Perhaps your dogs DON'T RESPECT your G-D Like AUTHORITY??
>>> I have to do it all myself and I have some limitations
>>> in walking. The group I first mentioned can be found at:
>>> www.ThePerfectDog.com. They have a 30 return policy.
BY LAW ALL mail order sales MUST have a 30 day return policy.
>>> BarkBusters is good for the llife of the dog, regardless
>>> who the owner is. Petey is extremely smart and I know
>>> with the proper training, he can be fine.
INDEED?
>>> Petey's Mom
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>> Petey *can* be the dog you want. Why don't you find a
>> local training class and take him there? What you are
>> looking for is pretty basic.
CITES PLEASE?
>> Saying he relates best to men (although it may be true) doesn't help
you.
She means he's AFRAID of "men" ABUSIN him.
>> No one else can train your dog and turn him loose
>> in your household and your life and have the training
>> be effective.
THAT'S INSANE,
on accHOWENTA the dog AIN'T TRAINED.
>> You have to do the training and then be consistent.
>> Training is not a one-time thing.
On accHOWENTA the dog AIN'T TRAINED.
>> It happens every day of the dog's life.
On accHOWENTA the dog AIN'T TRAINED.
>> I see nothing but rip-off in something like Bark Busters
>> who are guaranteeing the dog. It's not the dog who has
>> to learn, it's YOU.
On accHOWENTA the dog AIN'T TRAINED.
>> And you have a breed who will test your resolve regularly.
THAT'S INSANE.
>> I have two miniature schnauzers. The male checks
>> everysingle day to make sure that I am still in charge.
On accHOWENTA the dog AIN'T TRAINED.
>> Because he's quite willing to take over any
>> decisions that I don't enforce.
On accHOWENTA the dog AIN'T TRAINED.
>> I watched an 88 year old woman compete in agility with
>> her miniature schnauzer, who had been trained first in
>> obedience. She was not particularly mobile. I know
>> another woman who competes in agility with her miniature
>> schnauzer and uses a walker. Your limitations in walking,
>> whatever they are, may be a challenge but they don't eliminate
>> the possibility of you having a well-behaved dog.
She'd have to HIRE a PROFESSIONAL to HURT her dog.
>> Find a local group - check with your local kennel club or
>> shelter and ask about cl*****. They will be cheaper and
>> more effective than either of the organizations you have
>> mentioned.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>> Judy
>
> Judy,
>
> Thanks for all your good comments.
judy was blown smoke up your ignorameHOWES arse.
> I did the training class for puppies at PetSmart and it
> was rough for two reasons - his ADD and there was only
> one other puppy in the class. All Petey wanted to do was
> mess with the other puppy. I went every Monday at 1pm
> for 8 weeks...did not miss one day. I had little to nothing
> to show for the efforts. Cost was $108.
Well then, you're in EXXXCELLENT company <{}: ~ ) >
> Petey really is a sweet dog and all I want for him is to be
> all he can be. I have had other dogs (adults), but he is the
> first puppy I have had to raise.
> Peteys Mom
Perhaps you shouldn't own a dog, eh, susan?
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