HOWEDY flick you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
animal murderin punk thug coward active accute
chronic life long incurable malignant MENTAL
CASE and Pit Bull RESCUER,
"many_dogs" <many_dogs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> The neighbors' latest small dog, almost constantly loose,
> met his end in the road. Their last one got torn up by something one
> night and died.
THANK YOU for sharing your horror story of
death and dismemberment~! I told you WON
YEAR AGO he AIN'T gonna be PLAYIN if he
gets run DHOWEN on the street in front of your
HOWES like HOWE janet's DEAD DOG Lindsey done.
> The kids and I miss him.
INDEED?
> He was a charming little thing who deserved better care.
You mean IT wasn't WON of them dogs who run up
to your fear aggressive HOWETA CON-TROLL Pit
Bull Dogs an SCARES you an makes you JERK an
CHOKE your own dog some more, flick?
> I never could figure out why the owners wouldn't want
> to spend more time with him, in the house. Or why they
> wouldn't put up a small fenced area in their backyard,
> contiguous with the house, so he'd have a safer spot.
HOWE COME you didn't inform them HOWE to TRAIN
their dogs not to WANT to RUN HOWET on them, flick?
LIKE THIS:
From: misty (Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Date: 2002-01-23 07:46:16 PST
Beth wrote:
> So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.
The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home
were: build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan
on putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.
Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning
anything. At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.
By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had
already ran away.
Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread is
mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days. I
stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated that
his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.
The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.
Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it in
my e-mail ( no storage otherwise on webby unless you put stuff
on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it on
Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to lose
another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with little
kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I still look
to see if she came home when we get back from trips. Maybe
Peach would still have ran away... I don't know and never
will....
~misty
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"misty" <Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in message
I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do
know she's not here with us. I really can't blame
anyone here for her loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it
because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling
to accept the idea that my using a shock collar
could have any bearing on Peach not wanting
to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had
been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my
concern became how to keep them from running
off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled
in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the
world now <g> A Wits End Trained dog, one who
is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up stuff,
stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
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misty" <Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and
no collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want
to come back in the yard and would run for days.
The last time, Peach didn't come back home.
I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how
to train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in
the yard.
She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop
her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes
when we walk around the yard.
I can not say loud or long enough how much I
hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can't get
a regular fence then you need to train your dog.
I will never rely on an electronic collar to
keep my dog in our yard again.
The price was too high:-(
~misty
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From: Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(misty)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:44:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Wits End Training manual?
I used the Wit's Ends Training manual to teach myself how
to interact with Zelda. The first read through made no
sense to me...the second time through, things clicked and
the little lightbulb glowed.
I trained Zelda to stay in the yard, not chase cats, to come,
sit ,down, stop chewing toys and to be quiet when she barks
at things she hears outside.
I don't care if 99% of the manual came from 99 other trainers...
I needed the info, it was offered free of charge and any questions
can be asked of Jerry.
One thing about his method, although you can "spot" train
with it, it works best by a pyramid approach.IOW start
at the beginning and go through the exercises in the order
he has them wrote.
The part about "non-physical praise" confused me until I
tried a little experiment. I petted Zelda and told her
what a good girl she was...she enjoyed it, tail wagging.
I then put my hand away from her (behind my back) and
praised her...she got very wiggly, ****ged me with her nose,
pawed at me and wanted more praise. Not very scientific,
I know, but it was interesting to me how excited she got.
I find that I'm starting to use Jerry's method to "train"
my kids as well:-)
~misty
My "daughter" http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/ZeldaAnneArensdorf/
My sons http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/Arensdorf14Acre/
From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:13:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Wits End Training manual?
On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:44:25 -0500 (CDT),
Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(misty) wrote:
> I find that I'm starting to use Jerry's method to "train" my kids as
> well:-) ~misty
> My "daughter":
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/ZeldaAnneArensdorf/
> My sons: http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/Arensdorf14Acre/
Hi Misty!
I had just about exactly the same experience with Jerry's manual.
I had visited quite a few dog-training web sites, and, while they
didn't recommend anything too harsh, they all emphasized that
I must "assert my dominance" over the pup.
Anytime I tried doing that (just once or twice) it produced a
distinctly negative result... The pup got scared and ran away.
When I took the approach of simply making myself into the most
im****tant and desirable thing in her world, she responded incredibly
well. Now I can even break off a rabbit chase instantly (which I do
NOT want to allow, as I live in a rural area with chickens and
livestock) just by calling her once in a calm, affectionate voice.
Your kids and your dog are adorable, BTW!
You can see my pup at
http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy
Check the "more pictures" link -- like your dog, Holly
is more than happy to do an "alpha rollover" when I use
the gentle, non-confrontational approach Jerry recommends.
Charlie
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"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie_wil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote
in message
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read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a
bit of the literature suggested I needed to assert
my dominance and "make the dog earn everything it
gets."
I tried this once or twice, just by taking a stern
tone of voice, and the results were terrible.
The pup got scared and just wanted to stay away from
me.
That's why I sup****t Jerry Howe and his FREE
Wits' End Dog Training manual -- that and the fact
that Jerry is an all-around great guy.
The core takeaway I got from Jerry's manual is this:
make yourself the center of your puppy's world -
- his personal Lord Jesus. Never give him a reason
to fear you or think you're angry. Love the heck
out of him, and you'll end up with a great dog.
This has truly worked with my puppy. She'll do
anything I want her to, if she understands, because
she trusts me 100 percent, and nothing is more
im****tant in her world than her relation****p
with me. http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy
Charlie
"Charlie Wilkes" > charlie_wil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message news:4d94effc.0305311438.5d92388d
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>
> I read through his manual and tried the techniques
> on my puppy, who looked like growing up
> to be a mean-assed dog like her daddy.
>
> Guess what? It worked.
>
> More forceful methods might have
> allowed me to control her, but I don't think I'd
> have the exquisitely gentle and well-behaved
> dog I do now.
>
> Charlie
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"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie_wil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message
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> I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a
> bit of the literature suggested I needed to assert
> my dominance and "make the dog earn everything
> it gets."
>
> I tried this once or twice, just by
> taking a stern tone of voice, and the results were
> terrible. The pup got scared and just wanted to
> stay away from me.
>
> That's why I sup****t Jerry Howe and his FREE
> Wits' End Dog Training manual -- that and the
> fact that Jerry is an all-around great guy.
>
> The core takeaway I got from Jerry's manual
> is this: make yourself the center of your puppy's
> world -- his personal Lord Jesus.
>
> Never give him a reason to fear you or
> think you're angry. Love the heck
> out of him, and you'll end up with a great dog.
>
> This has truly worked with my puppy. She'll do
> anything I want her to, if she understands, because
> she trusts me 100 percent, and nothing is more
> im****tant in her world than her relation****p
> with me. http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy
> Charlie
On 18 Feb 2003 01:02:05 -0800, java...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Lynn K.) wrote:
>
>Hell, if Jerry Howe had simply pointed to his
>training manual occasionally instead of trying
>to bludgeon people with his "method", I might
>have given it a 3rd read to try to find something
>I could use in there. Maybe not.
>
>Lynn K.
I came here almost two years ago with an aggressive
female pup from hard-core "protection" stock. The
message I got from nearly everyone was that I need
to show my dog who is boss, draw lines in the sand,
absolutely refuse to tolerate this and that.
Jerry has a different approach, and he delivered
some extremely helpful insights.
Now, my dog is not quite two years old, and
I could probably put her in some kind of
obedience competition against a Fred Hassan
dog even though I've had no experience or training
whatsoever except Jerry's manual and some
personal tips from him that were well worth
following.
My Holly is an exceedingly well-behaved pet
who gets along well with everyone. And I
believe Jerry Howe is the best dog resource
on the Internet, bar none.
Charlie
> The neighbors told me that somebody offered them
> another dog, but they declined. Thank goodness.
Well, not owning dogs is the ONLY WAY to prevent
abuse, so it seems. HOWE COME you didn't recommend
a nice SHOCK COLLAR like HOWE you an your mental
case pals PREFER?:
AND LIKE THIS:
From: Nevyn (greatd...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: radio fence
Date: 2003-11-05 04:17:45 PST
Hi folks,
In my opinion the use of a radioshock fence is a waste of
time, effort or money. I can understand it if you a rich snob
who cares nothing about their dogs safey or behaviours.
At work I boundary train all the dogs to the bricked area
(Four kennels with 26 cages with 1 dog in each, 1 services
building and 2 catterys which is surrounded by scrubland to
the east and woodlands to the north and a lake to the west).
This works well, because then when people buy them the dogs
are easier to boundary train to a door or fence or yard.
However on a personal note, my two shelter mutts, who I
trained using the WITS END DOG MANUAL available at
www.doggydoright.com will not go past the back door, or the
back gate or the front gate without permission.
And it is nice, for when you are having a party, you can leave
your gates open for people, and your dogs won't be the least
concerned.
I find this better then spending your well earned money on a
piece of junk Why not use it to invest in a horse? Or a new
house? Make a nice aquarium? Build a nursery for a child?
Save your money. Train your dog. Please. -- Thankyou,
Nevyn
Nevyn E.D. Veterinary Nurse & Animal Trainer
greatd...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"You can judge a man's heart by his treatment
of animals"
_____________________
AND LIKE THIS:
From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaul_bou...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Fence Jumping
Date: 2000-09-29 04:33:37 PST
Been well experienced in dogs escaping from our
yard I know exactly the frustration you are going
through. Sam used to jump over the fence so I
made it higher then we got Roz and she went
under it, through it and climbed over it.
I've decided there are only 2 ways to stop the escaping,
1 is to have an escape proof fence, the other to train the
dogs not to want to escape.
I suppose a third method is to keep them
inside but I don't consider that a solution.
Making the fence escape proof can be almost impossible
if the dog is determined, to stop it climbing over as yours
is doing put an extension on top of the fence that angles
inwards at about 30-45 degrees. Never use chicken wire
as the dogs tear through that like paper.
The only training method to prevent this I can recall is
Jerry's technique, essentially it involves walking around the
perimeter of the fenced area with the dog and using sound
distractions and praise to teach the dog it's boundary.
I have had partial success with it (i.e. I have deterred Roz
from escaping from various points along the fence) but then
again I haven't really followed it through completely.
One last glimmer of hope, as the dog gets older it may
become more settled, Sam never escapes now although
he's quite capable of getting out, he 2.5 years old and
seemed to settle at about 2. So there you are, only 1.5
years of escaping left!!!
Paul.
-- Visit our homepage (updated 29 September!!!) and see the
dogs, cats and us at... (please refresh the pages often to
make sure you get the latest one!!!!)
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/paul_bousie/index.html
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AND LIKE THIS:
Nevyn has since gone on to become a professional dog trainer:
From: "Nevyn" <greatd...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:33:44 +0800
Subject: BWWHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using JERRY'S MANUAL
1) My dogz, two *****es - Vicious, barking, aggressive, pulled
on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought between
each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual, they were calm,
friends, my companions.
2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment I
dropped him by their noses.
3) My FRIENDS dogs 2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!
Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !
4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!
5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !
Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull coloured
dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their
hairs coloured up amazingly.
6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!
BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!
Nevyn
============
SEE?
> RIP, little guy. Know that you were loved.
INDEED? You mean DESPITE that they didn't buy
their puppy a nice SHOCK COLLAR, flick?
HOWEDY flick you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
animal murderin punk thug coward active accute
chronic life long incurable malignant MENTAL
CASE and Pit Bull RESCUER,
"Many Dogs (flick)" <many_dogs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Our nearby neighbors were given a young dog for xmas.
YAY!
> They let it out by opening the door and letting it wander unsupervised.
BOO~!
> No fence.
Naaah?
Hey flick? You know, you *(well, not *YOU* but ANY WON
ELSE CAN [well, not ANY WON else here... ]) CAN learn
HOWE to train their dogs to stay on their own pupperty in just
a few minutes of EZ GENTLE CONditioning on accHOWENTA
dogs is TERRORtorial critters by NATURE<{}: ~ ) >
> Our dogs, of course, went kinda nuts when the new dog arrived.
Of curse? That AIN'T NORMAL, flick.
> It's a smallish terrier type, very cute.
That's NICE <{}: ~ ) >
> He crosses the property line and stands outside our fence,
> and our dogs bark at it (except the Chow mix, who screams and wails).
Naaaaah?
> It was probably inevitable that ours would escape with this temptation
on
> the other side.
Naaaah?
> Rex, the very athletic brown dog, jumps the gate, which is the low spot
in
> the fence, but still over 4 ft. He runs next door and they play and
play.
Well, he AIN'T gonna be PLAYIN if he gets run DHOWEN on
the street in front of your HOWES like HOWE janet's DEAD
DOG Lindsey done.
> This morning, our fat-ish brown dog and the Chow mix
> got out, probably found a spot to slip under the fence.
Naaaah? Hey flick? You been takin LESSONS from janet an diddler?
> It was a raiding party.
Naaaah?
> The dog next door was not out, but they came back with a toy.
That was kindly of them <{}: ~ ) >
> lol
And you think it's FUNNY?
From: "flick" <f...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:50:16 -0600
Subject: Re: my dog bit me
"Nathalie Prévost" <nathalie.prevostNOS...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message news:cvslqi$qmc$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I agree that he should have shown right away
> that this behavior is not acceptable; but
> concretly, how?
> Violence is not a solution.
Violence isn't a solution when you're
teaching children, who can reason.
Animals can't reason in the same way that kids can.
So-called "violence" - or a humane, immediate, but
uncomfortable correction - is sometimes the best
way to deal with an animal's transgressions, IMO.
Otherwise, you're no more annoying than a gnat,
and about as meaningful.
flick 100785
Subject: Brilliant Observation on Electic Fences
and E-Collars ...
"I'm not in favor, generally, of using violence on dogs.
However, some sanity here. Momma Dog punishes her
puppies using some discomfort/pain, or "violence" - her
teeth.
In view of that, I think anyone who is rabidly against
"violence" by your definition, in the training of dogs,
is either a troll or needs to have their head examined.
Any more of this stupidity and I'll probably killfile you,"-
-flick 100785
Greyhound in Apartment?
.... That net-style electric fence would accomplish both
things for the OP (if it's tall enough), plus it's ****table.
flick 100785
Dog chasing cars
May 13 2004, 11:51 by flick
.... IMO best fence for confining dogs is a combination
of physical barrier and hot wire at top and bottom. ...
flick 100785 We are also thinking of a shocking collar.
Boundry Control for Labrador Jan 18, by flick
.... You can run another length of wire off your charger,
or your dog's fence, and ... flick 100785 -
"flick" <f...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:n3Loc.73$al.63@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
fencing can be pretty cheap. Fido-shock makes
a dog-strength charger that's around $40. A couple hundred
feet of wire, say $15-20. Get either pound-in T posts or
some PVC pipe for posts, $1-3 each. Only need 'em every
10-15 ft. If using T posts, you need plastic clips for the
wire, about $4 for 25. IMO best fence for confining dogs is
a combination of physical barrier and hot wire at top and bottom.
I use elec. fence to keep dogs on my property, out of the
road and away from the livestock, and it works like a charm.
"Frankly, I'd rather see them shot than dumped.
*(dumped = set free, turned loose, unmolested, TPW)
My preference would be for neither, naturally -
to a rescue, or keeping the dog. Cripes, it doesn't
cost *that* much to feed and care for a dog," flick 100785
From: flick <f...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004
I don't see anything wrong with, oh, I guess you'd call
it aversive training for animals - if the object of the
training is to SAVE THE PET'S LIFE. And such is
probably the case if a dog owner is trying to keep a
loose cat out of the yard. flick
From: flick <f...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:09:19 -0600
Subject: Re: Suggestion for an electonic fence system
Julia Altshuler wrote:
> Melinda Shore wrote:
>> A hotwire is generally more reliable.
> But wouldn't the hotwire be something that could be
> touched by an unknowing human stranger? I like the
> idea of knowing that the wireonly works on the one
> wearing the collar.
Not terribly likely, if you run it along the *inside*
of the fence. The one at the top can be offset a bit
inward rather than directly above the top of the fence.
You can also put up small signs that say "Caution -
electric fence."
The dog charger I used to use felt about like being
whapped hard by a big rubber band.
flick 100785
flick@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"f...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" <f...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 20:00:20 -0400
Subject: Re: chainlink + efence backup
Jim <a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in news:yCNhe.83169$c24.60392@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Me and my girlfriend have finally saved up enough money to
> fence in our back yard. We have decided on 4 foot chainlink.
> Even with a 6 foot privacy fence neighbors can look right over
> from their decks.
> We were going to try a underground fence only but after reading
> up and talking to people the risks just arent worth it. I realise
> some people have had them for 15+ years but they are just a
> accident waiting to happen.
>
> We have a beagle named Pokie. Very stubborn and frustrating
> but a wonderful dog. I have posted several times about our
> troubles with her.
>
> She is picky about where she takes a dump which takes 30+
> minutes on walks. I'm starting to think Pokie has ocd, which is
> something I also suffer from.
> Anyway back to the fence questions. I was thinking of running
> the radio fence wire through the chainlink to prevent her from
> digging out. When she was left in the care of a relative they
> caught her red handed trying to get under a chainlink fence.
> This wasnt her real home though and she might of been
> nervous.
>
> I do not plan to leave her outside at night or when we are gone.
> I would like to feel safe letting her run around during the day
> when I'm home. I've heard underground fences are wonderful to
> keep dogs from digging under or jumping the real fence.
>
> Do you think the underground fence would cause the dog to
> be vicious? I will monitor closely to make sure kids or other
> dogs are not teasing her. She has never biten anyone but about
> got a hold of a guys pant leg once.
>
> She also went nuts after the ups guy when I was walking her
> but they were all in our yard and she didnt know them.
>
> Or is there another solution for staking down the fence
> or something? Also with a 4 foot fence do I have to worry
> about other dogs jumping it? I've seen it happen only once
> in about 20 years. I've heard since dogs are territorial generally they
> will stay out especially if there is a fence.
I would use a regular electric fence in addition to the
chainlink, not a "radio fence," if possible. I realize it
might not be possible in the city. There are pet-strength
chargers available for about $40. It comes in a kit with
10 short plastic stakes and 100' of wire. One brand is
Fi-shock or Fido-shock, something like that.
You can buy insulator clips for chainlink fence, and
more wire, at a home improvement or feed store (about
$5-8 for 25).
Run one wire on the inside of the fence at 4-6 inches
from the ground, and that should deter digging out.
You must keep shrubs and grass from touching the
wire, or it grounds out and doesn't shock.
I'd also think about a 6ft fence rather than 4 ft if
possible. 4 ft doesn't seem tall enough to me, even
for a Beagle.
flick 100785
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