HOWEDY S.Smith,
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> Has anyone tried Don Sullivan's Dog Training?
"Don's vision as a professional trainer is to not just train dogs.
He seeks to transform the lives of dogs and their owners into
positive relation****ps based on respect and freedom."
HOWEver, don is a LYIN DOG ABUSIN COWARD,
FRAUD, SCAM ARTIST and IGNORAMEHOWES:
"The application of human philosophies to dog training fails
because they are interpreted by the dog as submissive. Like
it or not, your dog simply sees you as a member of his pack.
He interprets your every dealing with him in canine terms.
Your dog was born into a hierarchical system where respect
is gained by discipline and the rewards are acceptance, affection
and pack order. Food and mating are at the center of a pack's
existence and the dog that proves to be the most dominant is
the one that gains control over these necessities of life.
A dog that relinquishes his food to another is always the subordinate."
don's TWISTED logic is based in FEAR like wm. koehler and
cesar millan 'z dog wheeesperer' teach and is believed by MOST
of the self professed dog lovers who post here abHOWETS who
PREFER to jerk choke shock bribe crate intimidate and surgically
***ually mutilate an MURDER innocent defenseless dumb critters
an LIE abHOWET IT <{}: ~ ( >
> I have used PetSmart puppy cl***** and have tried
> BarkBusters. Both have been minimally effective.
Naaaah? That's curiHOWES; MOST often dogs attending
"PROFESSIONAL OBEDIENCE TRAINING, get WORSE,
or even worse YET, GET MURDERED by their abuser <{}: ~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
Here's janet boss and her REAL LIFE IN PERSON
"students" paul and his RESCUE dog Muttley whom
she wanted to MURDER on accHOWENTA she
COULDN'T TRAIN Muttley to leave the kat alone:
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
Hello everyone:
If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.
I will add a bit more history later in this post.
Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.
The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
had the time to work with him much on that.
I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pu****ng his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.
Muttley took the op****tunity to attack a young black
male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.
That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.
When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
what should be done about Muttley.
She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.
She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.
"They can't all be saved".
<snip>
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Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
<snip>
If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience cl***** at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.
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BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
Here's janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON "student" paul:
#2 - 6/05/07
>> When I was training him under Janet's supervision I
>> was instructed to give it a ? firm yank as a correction.
> I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm yanks
> on a chain choke collar. I hate the things.
>> She was able to get his attention with just a quick tug, but I
>> had to yank on it hard enough to lift him off his feet to get him
>> to respond.
>
>> Looking back now, I think it was based on his fear, which he
>> had for her (as an unknown), but not for me (whom he had
>> learned to trust).
> He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a confident trainer.
> Fear has no place in dog training, as I told you THEN.
> Janet.
It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
of further punishment.
Sure, if it is administered very consistently
by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
so what remains is negative.
Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
from me without lunging for it. When you offered
it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
a fear behavior.
Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
to think on his own, but that's just my way of
doing things, and that's probably not going to
change much. He may never win an obedience
medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
of control, either.
Paul and Muttley
"I thought I was told that the way to get the dog to go
down was to make him sit and then step on the leash.
That was awkward and didn't seem to work.
I will confess that I only tried the "down" position
once or twice at home, and I also often used it
instead of "Off" when I wanted him to stop
jumping on me or elsewhere I didn't want him to be.
I had to give him corrections every few seconds,
and also just about kick him, to keep him at my
left side.
Muttley is really a very sweet and loving dog, but
he needs more socialization with other dogs. However,
it is very likely that I will have him put down in a week."
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
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Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
90 From: Sionnach
Date: Mon, Oct 9 2006 1:19 am
Email: "Sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
*I* was thanking the Deity that the NCR trail
was not my choice of hiking area today!!!!
Sorry, Paul, but the gloves are now off, because if I HAD
chosen the NCR trail today - rather than another local trail-
you would have been putting ***MY*** beloved dogs at
risk of serious injury or death. ***MY*** DOGS.
What the ****ING HELL is **WRONG** with you???
Your dog, which you have repeatedly admitted you can't
control, just made a near-lethal unprovoked attack on
another dog in obedience class, and you TOOK HIM
OUT ON THE TRAILS WHERE THERE ARE OTHER
DOGS?????
You do that again, when my dogs are around, and he attacks
one of them, you won't have to worry about having him put
down - I will either break his spine or choke him to death
right then and there.
I'm dead ****ing serious, Mr. Schoen.
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SEE?
THAT'S quite a SUCCESS STORY, ain't it <{}: ~ ( >
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Subject: Re: redirected aggression
Date: 4/11/07
"Janet Boss" <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:janet-730AB8.17321511042007@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
seems I have been dealing with this a bit lately.
Dog to dog and dog to person,, with dogs who are
obviously overstimulated by what's in front of them.
What's in front of them varies from people at the door
to dogs in their path or directly in their face. The dogs
in question all have very poor self control.
I have dog(s) with not-so-great-natural self control,
so it's something we constantly work on. We don't
have redirected stuff going on, because we have enough
obedience to avoid it.
While I know that's the big answer for the dogs in
question as well, I'm curious what things people have
found useful to redirect/focus/gain attention from
drivey dogs or just very distracted of over-the-top dogs.
We're having success with my recommendations, but I'm
always open to something novel that may be the hot ticket.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
> I have a mini Schnauzer that is now 11 mos. old. As a
> puppy, he has been very ADD. He has calmed down a
> fair amount the past few months.
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving
Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of
Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
> I saw Don Sullivan on TV and checked out his web site.
don is a dog abusin coward who uses the SAME "methods"
as janet and her LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN MENTAL
CASE PALS PREFER <{}: ~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt
"J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher than a 5
> > > with it, even with an insensitive dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
know HOWE COME IT was MACED?
janet CONtinues:
> > My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are
> > DOGS. I don't have anything against electronic bark
> > collars, but they should be used in conjunction with
> > actually working at training your dog(s).
They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER an
LIE abHOWET IT.
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LIKE THIS:
From: sionnach (rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST
> And Sally responded:
> > Who said that? I would never do or recommend
> > that, and neither would most of the regulars
> > on here.
> > Sally Hennessey
> I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed
> to do so. Take it out of context and you'd think
> I was flinging puppies across the room!
> here's what I said (keep in mind that we're
> talking about a 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):
> A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's very persistant.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?
I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy
is very persistant, it can be appropriate to take
hold of the loose skin at the back of the neck and
give a slight shake to the *skin*".
Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."
----------------------
LIKE THIS:
: From: Sionnach (rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
: Subject: Re: another question from me and joy?
:
: Date: 2002-04-10 19:40:33 PST
:
: "BethF" wrote:
: >
: > I don't think any of our regulars bite
: > their dogs ears to leash train them.
>
: He's repeating one of Jerry's confabulations... I did,
: once, lightly nip a seriously out-of-control, temper-
: tantruming Labrador on the ear to get her attention.
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
> "Sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>: news:bvtf67$106jeh$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
: > <yawn> Once again- that's NOT a quote
: > from any post of mine; JH "wrote" it, not me.
:
: No, that's a flat HOWET lie, sinofabich. It's a
: direct quote from YOU, with exception of TWO
: WORDS, "smartly" and "neatly."
:
: > It's quotes from two different posts, by two
: > different people -
:
: ONLY if you're SCHIZOPHRENIC, sinofa*****.
:
: > both taken out of context-
:
: YOU'RE A LIAR.
:
: We got your original post in The Puppy Wizard's Archives.
:
: You'll see your own words EXXXACTLY as QUOTED.
: And we'll likeWIZE see you DENYING your own words
: in three different ways!!!
:
: > and with extra wording added in by a third person.
:
: NO. YOU'RE A LIAR.
:
: The ONLY "extra words," SMARTLY and NEATLY,
: were INDEEDY, added by The Puppy Wizard, HOWEver
: they were NOT SIGNIFICANT, except for poetic license:
:
: You're a liar and a dog abuser and a MENTAL CASE:
:
: "When it was obvious that she had NO intention
: of paying any attention to anything but the other
: dogs (and that I was in danger of having my arm
: dislocated <G>), I didn't even think about it; I
: dropped the leash, threw my right arm over the
: Lab's shoulder, grabbed her opposite foot with
: my left hand, rolled her on her side, leaned on
: her, said "GRRRR!" and nipped her ear (not
: particularly hard- I wasn't trying to *hurt* her,
: just get her attention!)."
:
: From: Sionnach (rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
: Subject: Re: I dropped the leash!
: Date: 2003-12-15 07:55:16 PST
:
: > "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm
: > Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite
: > Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
: > Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat
: > And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear,"
:
: <yawn> That's not a quote written by me, kiddo.
: That's an amalgam of two different people's posts,
: with extra words added by Jerry.
:
: From: Sionnach (rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
: Subject: Re: another question from me and joy?
:
: Date: 2002-04-10 19:40:33 PST
:
: "BethF" wrote:
: >
: > I don't think any of our regulars bite their dogs ears
: > to leash train them.
:
: He's repeating one of Jerry's confabulations... I did,
: once, lightly nip a seriously out-of-control, temper-
: tantruming Labrador on the ear to get her attention.
:
: It had ****-all to do with leash training though, and
: everything to do with getting through to an incredibly
: hard-headed, tough-minded, and spoiled-rotten dog
: that A. she was NOT going to physically control me
: the way she had every other female human she'd dealt
: with and B. that I was worth paying attention to.
:
: It came up in a discussion where someone else
: mentioned having nipped a terrier puppy who
: wouldn't stop play-biting. In both cases, it was a
: one-time instinctive response to an unusual situation.
:
: --------------------
:
: sinofa***** writes:
: > >> What I have said- repeatedly - is that he
: > >> took posts from two different people,
: > >> took pieces of them out of context,
: > >> cobbled them together,
: > >> then added his own words:
:
: "Neatly," and "Smartly."
:
: > >> and a fake signature.
:
: "sinofa*****" instead of sionnach.
:
: > >> Which is exactly what he did.
: > >> The actual quote is misleading
: > >> when taken out of context, and Jerry's
: > >> faked "quote" is downright meaningless.
>
: > > Here's Jerry's version
>
: > > "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
: > > Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
: > > Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
: > > Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
: > > Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
: > > Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
: > > Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofa*****.
: > > Here's yours;
: > > "I dropped the leash, threw my
: > > right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
: > > grabbed her opposite foot with my
: > > left hand, rolled her on her side,
: > > leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
: > > nipped her ear.
: > > --Sara Sionnach
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
See?
> It looks like it may work to change my puppy
> to being a normal member of the family.
You mean IF it don't KILL him. janet an sinofa*****e's
dogs DIED from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASE a.k.a. The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ( >
> Compared to what I have paid so far, his program seems reasonable.
You can get the SAME EXXXCELLENT advice
FOR FREE from a FREE online book~!:
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
author: "CourteHOWES Canine."
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?
When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first
time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth
and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with
this but just ignore him and continue your normal
behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"CourteHOWES Canines"
SEE?
Or you can just READ IT right here:
Here again is the pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
anonymHOWES coward, not so handsome, not so
gentle, not so manly, not so happy jackass, not even
morrison aka dogman a.k.a. BIG DADDY, a.k.a.
tommy sorenson:
"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use a little
"knee action," that is, as the dog goes charging by
you, just give the dog a little bop with your knee
and ****n.
Yep, really lean into it.
Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
make her think twice about ru****ng past you again -
- which is exactly what you want her to do.
Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.
If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.
When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and ****ge her with your knee. Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."
I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training. That is, she just
needs *more* of it."
-----------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Here's pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
anonymHOWES coward, not so handsome,
not so gentle, not so manly, not so happy
jackass, not even morrison aka dogman a.k.a.
BIG DADDY, a.k.a. tommy sorenson:
"My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.
A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.
Okay. Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
really matters. Saving lives and making dogs become
good citizens
At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
*not* constitute a "beating."
"Swatting a dog on the nose is
always the wrong thing to do."
---------------
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training"
Howell Book House, 1996"
Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking Backslider.
"If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these
"backsliders" will think they're winning and will
continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression
can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard
spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by
the mess he's made so you can come back at twenty
minute intervals and punish him again for the same
thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.)
In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment. It will be better for your dog,
as well as the house, if you really pour it on him."
"Housebreaking Problems:
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training"
Howell Book House, 1996"
Occasionally, there is a pup who seems determined to
relieve himself inside the house, regardless of how
often he has the op****tunity to go outside. This dog
may require punishment. Make certain he is equipped
with a collar and piece of line so he can't avoid
correction.
When you discover a mess, move in fast, take him to
the place of his error, and hold his head close enough
so that he associates his error with the punishment.
Punish him by spanking him with a light strap or
switch. Either one is better than a folded newspaper.
It is im****tant to your future relation****p that you
do not rush at him and start swinging before you get
hold of him.
When he's been spanked, take him outside. Chances
are, if you are careful in your feeding and close
observation, you will not have to do much puni****ng.
Be consistent in your handling.
To have a pup almost house-broken and then force
him to commit an error by not providing an op****tunity
to go outside is very unfair. Careful planning will
make your job easier.
The same general techniques of housebreaking apply
to grown dogs that are inexperienced in the house.
For the grown dog who was reliable in the house and
then backslides, the method of correction differs
somewhat. In this group of "backsliders" we have the
"revenge piddler." This dog protests being alone by
messing on the floor and often in the middle of a bed.
The first step of correction is to confine the dog
closely in a part of the house when you go away, so
that he is constantly reminded of his obligation. The
fact that he once was reliable in the house is proof
that the dog knows right from wrong, and it leaves
you no other course than to punish him sufficiently
to convince him that the satisfaction of his
wrongdoing is not worth the consequences. If the
punishment is not severe enough, some of these
"backsliders" will think they're winning and will
continue to mess in the house.
An indelible impression can sometimes be made
by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration,
then leaving him tied by the mess he's made so you
can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish
him again for the same thing.
In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment.
It will be better for your dog, as well as the house,
if you really pour it on him.
---------------------
An THEN tommy GETS SENSITIVE abHOWET jerkin
chokin shockin intimidatin an MURDERIN innocent
defenseless dumb critters an LYIN abHOWET IT like
HOWE some folks get when they're talkin politics an religion:
tommy wrote:
From: dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman) Date: 1997/11/11
Subject: Re: Koehler's Usefulness--A Concluding *****sment
This, from a yellow-bellied coward who has TOTALLY refused
to engage me in debate, preferring mudslinging, hyperbole, distortion,
lies, exaggeration, and to take Koehler completely out of context,
instead.
What lying hypocrites these hand-wringers are!
The most consistent argument among Koehler's defenders is based
on a questionable assumption that such "drastic" measures are
effective in "extreme" cases where other methods fail.
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LIKE THIS:
From: dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman)
Date: 1999/01/15
Subject: Re: Another mouthy lab
Get this book:
"The Art of Raising A Puppy," by the Monks of New Skete
If you can't find it locally, you can obtain it
through my Web site (see below).
You'll need it for more than just the usual puppy
"mouthing" problems, anyway.
And good luck with your Lab puppy!
--
Dogman
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From: osi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Michael Erskine)
Date: 12 Aug 2004 10:09:05 -0700
Subject: My GSD bit me.
The question:
I have a four year old male GSD. He growls
at me sometimes. When he growls at me he
stares me in the face and lays his ears back.
The New Skete books say that the dog should not be
allowed to do that. They suggest shaking down the
dog by grabing the dog on the sides of his neck and
picking him off his front feet, then giving the dog the
same sort of treatment the dog would give another if
it were challenging him.
Namely getting in the dogs face and letting
the dog know you are the alpha dog.
Well, my dog bit me clearly he felt that I was not
convincing enough or he bit me out of fear.
Anyone got ideas on what to do with this dog that might
help him to decide that he wants to follow and that he
has nothing to fear from me?
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From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:21:14 GMT
Subject: Re: My GSD bit me.
You need to improve your acting skills. Get a werewolf
suit with blood-drenched fangs and claw gloves and THEN
go after your dog.
Knock the **** out of him and don't be afraid to crack
some ribs. Then yank the mask off and shout "SURPRISE!
IT'S ME!" I guarantee you and your dog will have a new
relation****p based on mutual respect.
Keep in mind that the monks of New Skete
were pre-Lon-Chaney.
Charlie
-----------------------
Oh, bye the bye, erskins' DEAD DOG GOT DEAD on him too.
> My training costs so far have run me almost
> $700 and I am frustrated with the results.
Well, you're LUCKY that you ain't had to MURDER your puppy <{}: ~ ( >
> Much of the methods I was taught such treat rewards
> are not used with Don Sullivan's program.
That's the ONLY thing the dog abusin coward got RIGHT:
Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge,
demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon
that an expected reward not received is experienced
as a punishment and can produce extensive and
persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966).
The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) re****t a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are re****ted to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
were moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and
learning immediately deteriorated."
> I would like to hear any comments some may have.
ONLY LIARS, DOG ABUSERS, COWARDS and ACTIVE
ACUTE CHRONIC LIFE-LONG INCURABLE MALIGNANT
MALICIHOWES MENTAL CASES post their LIES IDIOCY
INSANITY and ABUSE here abHOWETS <{}: ~ ( >
> Petey's Mom
LIKE THIS:
Subject: Re: Questions to ask adopters
HOWEDY marcel the imbecile idiot liar animal an child abusin
punk thug coward active acute chronic life long incurable malignant
maliciHOWES mental case Ph.D. FRAUD, OBS****ATIONIST /
PSYCHOCLHOWEN,
"Marcel Beaudoin" <marcel.beaudoin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Xns9B447CC22CBDmarcelbeaudoingmailc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> It has come to the point where Gen and I
> need to find another home for Moogli.
Naaah?
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard was just
askin abHOWET you an your pathetic family a few days ago:
Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008
Subject: Where's marcel?
HOWEDY fellHOWE dog lovers,
Where's marcel been lately? Did his little fear
aggressive hyperactive doggy ATTACK his
daughter *(AGAIN) an GOT MURDERED?
<SNIP SNIPE>
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> While nothing bad has happened yet,
INDEED?
Perhaps all the Ph.D. in you got your brain all scrambled an
you FORGOT THIS, marcel the imbecile idiot liar dog an
child abuser coward mental case PSYCHOCLHOWEN:
HOWEDY marcel the imbecile idiot liar animal an child abusin
punk thug coward active acute chronic life long incurable mental
case Ph.D. obs****ationist,
> Moogli on the other hand, is skating on very
> thin ice with Gen and I at the moment.
Not to be a nit picker, but AIN'T IT suppHOWESED to
be 'gen an ME' marcel the Ph.D. psychoclHOWEN?
> For no apparant reason yesterday
Dogs NEVER DO NUTHIN for NO REASON, marcel the imbecile
idiot liar animal and child abusing Ph.D. psychoclHOWEN:
"It is by muteness that a dog becomes
so utterly beyond value."
Like a confessor Priest?
"With him, words play no torturing tricks..., "
--John Galsworthy.
Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
Their behaviors reflect
HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
> that I know of
You don't know much abHOWET anything, marcel, other
than PAIN FEAR FORCE INTIMIDATION and AVOIDANCE.
> (I was at work, it happened when Gen was with Emilie just
> before taking her to daycare) when Emilie was walking by
> Moogli, something she had doneseveral times before that
> morning alone,
You've NEVER got your dog an kid to be PALS despite
all your puppy socialization cl***** and bribin jerkin
chokin cratin an sprayin IT in the face with aversives
an lockin IT in a box and ignoring ITS cries <{}: ~ ( >
> he bit her.
Naaaah?
> In the face.
Naaaah?
Perhaps she was tryin to TAKE sumpthin from
him like HOWE it was when Mooglie BIT your Mrs.?
> Gen informed him in no uncertain terms that this Was Not Allowed,
Did she give him a stern lecture or maybe threaten
to TAKE AWAY HIS BIRTHDAY, marcel?
> his attitude towards Emilie and Sofia is going downhill pretty quick.
"DON'T LET HIM DO THAT", marcel <{}: ~ ) >
> Physical problems have been eliminated,
THAT SO, marcel the imbecile idiot? Perhaps your
unnecessary inapupriate surgical ***ual mutilation
eviscrated Moogli's PATERNAL INSTINCT and
increased his FEARFULNESS??
THAT'S the #1 REASON HOWE COME dogs attack children.
> as he had an annual checkup not too long ago.
That's a SURPRISE, marcel the imbecile idiot; MOST of your
fellHOWE punk thug coward active acute chronic life-long
incurable malignant maliciHOWES MENTAL CASE PALS
dogs are DEAD an DYIN from stress induced auto-immune
DIS-EASES a.k.a. The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ) >
That's MY ONLY REWARD, marcel.
Well, THAT, and of curse, when DOG LOVERS like
*you* gotta GET RID of your fear aggressive hyperactive
deathly ill dogs <{}: ~ ) >
> If it was just me, or just Gen and I, I would have no
> problems working to try to regulate the situation.
Of curse~!
This post MUST be humilitating to write, eh, marcel the imbecile idiot
liar?
> Throw Emilie and Sofia into the situation,
Dog Trainin And Pronged Spiked Pinch Choke Collars
Go Together Like
A Child An Paddle <{) :~ ) >
> and I no longer have that luxury.
INDEED?
> Gen has stated, in no uncertain terms, that either
> I find a home, or he goes to the local SPCA.
I think you may find sufficient SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH
sup****ting *you* an jen leavin an givin Mooglie and the
kids a while to make pals:
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have re****ted ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents tem****arily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
SEE?
> Thus, it has come to the point where I have to make the
> decision of what home do I send Moogli to.
Perhaps you can SELL IT to a medical laboratory?
From: m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Mudbunny)
Date: 31 Dec 2002 06:29:16 -0800
Subject: Re: [Jerry] Re: New Puppy -
but we both work, what's best "get adjusted" strategy???
There is NOTHING wrong with aversions, when necessary,
as a last resort.
Do you have kids Jerry??
Do you know people with kids??
Aversion is, at times, necessary. Your kids reach for the element
on the stove once, you tell them no, twice, tell them no. After a
certain point in time, you have two choices. You can either give
them a swat on the bum, and they probably won't do it again, or
you let them touch the element and they WON'T do it again,
garaunteed.
> NOW GET THE HEEL OFF OUR FORUM or study
> your FREE copy of my FREE Wits' End Dog Training
> Method manual and CONTRIBUTE to our forum,
> Marcel, or get the heel outta here.
>
> What's it gonna be? You gonna continue to make
> yourself out to be a CHUMP PUNK LYING DOG
> ABUSING THUG COWARD like your mentors and
> peers, or are you gonna do what's RIGHT for your
> own dog, Marcel?
You see Jerry. We were having an intelligent, open discussion.
I like discussion. I like the back and forth exchange of ideas.
That is what the internet (that is what society in general) is based
upon.
You have good ideas!! You obviously believe in them.
The others beloieve in theirs.
The best way to get them to listen to what you have to say
(and listen with an open mind) is to do it rationally and
calmly. Not with insults.
Have a Happy New Year
Marcel C. Beaudoin
> For those of you that do rescue home-visits,
Oh, you mean the "SHELTER / RESCUE" FRAUDS
an SCAM ARTISTS, the SAME lyin animal murderin
punk thug cowards who gave you all the ADVICE you
needed to RUIN your doggy, marcel the imbecile idiot?
> what questions should I be asking.
You MIGHT wanna ask if they have children, marcel??
> Thanks.
THANK YOU, marcel the imbecile idiot liar dog an child abuser <{}: ~ ) >
> And to keep myself in somewhat good mood, there are
> some pics of Emilie and Sofia here:
> http://picasaweb.google.ca/marcel.beaudoin
Well let's PREY you're a better parent than a dog owner, eh,
marcel the imbecile idiot liar dog an child abusin punk thug
coward active acute chronic life-long incurable malignant
maliciHOWES MENTAL CASE Ph.D. PSYCHOCLHOWEN <{}: ~ ) >
> --
> Marcel Beaudoin and Moogli
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard BEEN
WAITIN A LONG TIME for this auspiciHOWES occasion~!
"Marcel Beaudoin" <marcel.beaudoin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Xns99D2623AFA13Emarcelbeaudoingmailc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> in rec.pets.dogs.behavior, "Phyrie" <phyrie_removethis_@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote in news:122a4$471d5d8a$40721ac3$11934@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> As for Howe, you have done the right thing by blocking him.
> If you decide to sitch to a different newsreader than OE, don't
> hesitate to ask for help in setting it up. There are lots of different
> packages used here.
marcel beaudoin
***ual Sadist / Masochist
Bondage / Discipline Feti****st,
Whoremonger
Dog Trainin And Pronged Spiked Pinch Choke Collars
Go Together Like
A Child An Paddle <{) :~ ) >
HOWEDY marcel the imbecile idiot imbecile liar phd
dog an child abusin punk thug coward active acute chronic
life long incurable malignant mental case whoremongerin
***UAL SADIST, aka MACK DADDY <{}: ~ ) >
It AIN'T NO SECRET many of the r..p.d.b.er's are ***UAL
SADISTS; lone hanson, laura arlov, susan fraser, ****rley chong,
DOGMAN, tarag, tara o, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn, lyin
frosty dahl, marcel beaudoin, show dog bark aka mirelle,
sinofa*****, the list goes on an on and encomp***** ALL psychoses
an neuroses, perversions and fetishes; urolangia, coprophagia,
annilingus, animal ***, any despicable practices, do don't let
noWON thinkThe Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard is PICKIN on "MACK DADDY"
marcel <{}: ~ ( >
The Followin Posts Are Brought To You Courtesy of The Sincerely
Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child,
*****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard's
Annals Of
Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences
Research Laboratory
AND
COLLEGE OF HARD KNOCKXXX
<{): ~ ( >
Subject: {ASSD} - Looking for title for BDSM story
1 From: Mudbunny
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2004 3:00 pm
Email: m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Mudbunny)
I would like the help of the residents of ASSD for help in finding a
story. It is a rather long one that centers (I think) around BDSM.
It starts when the main character is a young boy and he gets into
some BDSM with his neighbour. I remember one of the parts is
that she ties a thread/rope/yarn around his cock.
As an adult, he goes to work for a company that specialises in
hosting websites that deal with *****ca and BDSM. He ends up
being a sub to a bunch of the women there, despite being married.
At some point in time, his wife dies. Also, his old neighbour comes
back and tries to buy him.
He also names a server after her (the neighbour)
Thanks
mudbunny
You might wanna try that thread on Moogli's Pee Pee, eh marcel
the imbecile idiot liar dog an child abusin punk thug coward acitve
acute chronic long term incurable mental case an self perceived
MACK DADDY~!:
Subject: Moogli is on his way to being a man!!!
Subject: Moogli is on his way to being a man!!!
1 From: Mudbunny
Date: Thurs, Jan 2 2003 11:22 am
Email: m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Mudbunny)
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
For now, anyways.
At 16 weeks of age (possibly earlier, as we just noticed
it this week), my ****h-tzu/mini schnauzer has discovered
that he is a man!!
To the unfortunate suprise of a number of fuzzy slippers
in the apartment.
I am not sure if he knows WHAT he is doing, but it is
sure funny to see him doing it...
He won't be doing it for long though, once training cl*****
are over and he has all his teeth, he will be going to the vet.
Marcel C. Beaudoin
Pray for the poor slippers, they will never be the same again...
THAT'S INSANE, MACK DADDY <{) : ~ ( >
9 From: Mudbunny
Date: Mon, Dec 23 2002 12:32 pm
Email: m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Mudbunny)
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
I always see it as the dog doing it on the chance that they are
getting food. I read somewhere it is the "hope springs eternal" idea.
Sorta like how single guys go out to the bar quite often on the hope
that they get lucky. All it takes is one success (despite hundreds of
failures) to make the positive link.
Marcel
You might have better LUCK if you tie that thread arHOWEND
your puppy's Pee Pee, maybe it'll heighten your enjoyment of his
submissive urination, eh marcel?
Subject: (ASS) Looking for a story (another one)
1 From: Mudbunny
Date: Tues, Dec 10 2002 10:47 am
Email: m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Mudbunny)
Groups: alt.***.stories
Thanks to the people that replied to my previous post.
The story was Hildy, and I found it on Storiesonline.
My next request is this:
This one is a longish story. More of a novel than anything else. It
involves a man and a younger female (high scchool maybe??). All I
remember is that his house is high tech.. Has voice controls and
everything for the lihjts and stuff like that.
I know it is not much to go on, but I hope it helps.
Me
From: Mudbunny
Date: Wed, Dec 11 2002 12:44 pm
Email: m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Mudbunny)
Groups: alt.***.stories
Unfortunately, I am quite certain it is his. I think the general plot
is similar to Call Girl Cheerleaders. It starts off with one girl, and
then she invites friends over as well.
Subject: {ASS} Req: Master's Ring
1 From: Chemguy
Date: Sat, Aug 14 1999 12:00 am
Email: Chemguy <m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Groups: alt.***.stories
I am looking for the rest of a Story Called The Master's Ring.
I have parts 1-3 of 14, but I would like the rest. It looks very
interesting and seems to have a really good plot. Any help
would be appreciated.
Please e-mail as attachments or post o the group.
Thanx
Subject: {ASSD} Looking for Story ID
1 From: mudbunny
Date: Mon, Jan 30 2006 3:11 pm
Email: "mudbunny" <marcel.beaud...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Groups: alt.***.stories.d
I am looking for the title (or hopefully, a llink) to a story I
remember reading quite a few years ago.
The central character is a man who gets involved in a BDSM
relation****p with some of the senior executives at a cor****ation
where he works.
He is the senior network executive, IIRC.
The story starts out with him as a young child, where he plays D/S
games with his neighbour and she ties his cock with a piece of red
yarn. Years later, he still carries that piece of yarn in his wallet.
He is married, but partway through the story (it is fairly long)
his wife dies and he is distraught.
Partway through the story, the neighbour girl comes back
as the head of a fairly large business group (I think) and
wants to buy him once she finds out that he named one of
the server farms after her.
I have been searching on Google for this story for quite a while now,
but can't seem to find it.
Subject: Help would be greatly appreciated.
6 From: Chemguy
Date: Sat, Jun 5 1999 12:00 am
Email: Chemguy <m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Groups: alt.***.prostitution
As mentioned previously, incall in Canada is illegal, outcall is
legal.
That being said, most cities have a wide variety of incall providers.
They are generally not harassed by the cops unless there are
complaints
by neighbours. Depending on where you are going, the current law
enforcement attitude may vary. Your best bet would be to check out
Lyla's List at http://www.lyla.com/
. Most, if not all, of your
questions can be answered there.
> That out of the way I have a very stupid question to ask. Never been
> to canada but am going there soon. Is prostitution legal there?
--
Chemguy
**The line between genius and insanity is very**
**fine...Could you please tell me which side I**
**am on???**
You're on the SADIST side of BDSM, marcel the imbecile <{): ~ ) >
From: m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Mudbunny)
Date: 31 Dec 2002 06:29:16 -0800
Subject: Re: [Jerry] Re: New Puppy -
but we both work, what's best "get adjusted" strategy???
There is NOTHING wrong with aversions, when necessary, as a last
resort. Do you have kids Jerry?? Do you know people with kids??
Aversion is, at times, necessary. Your kids reach for the element on
the stove once, you tell them no, twice, tell them no. After a
certain point in time, you have two choices. You can either give
them a swat on the bum, and they probably won't do it again, or
you let them touch the element and they WON'T do it again,
garaunteed.
> NOW GET THE HEEL OFF OUR FORUM or study
> your FREE copy of my FREE Wits' End Dog Training
> Method manual and CONTRIBUTE to our forum,
> Marcel, or get the heel outta here.
>
> What's it gonna be? You gonna continue to make
> yourself out to be a CHUMP PUNK LYING DOG
> ABUSING THUG COWARD like your mentors and
> peers, or are you gonna do what's RIGHT for your
> own dog, Marcel?
You see Jerry. We were having an intelligent, open discussion. I like
discussion. I like the back and forth exchange of ideas. That is what
the internet (that is what society in general) is based upon.
You have good ideas!! You obviously believe in them.
The others beloieve in theirs.
The best way to get them to listen to what you have to say
(and listen with an open mind) is to do it rationally and
calmly. Not with insults.
Have a Happy New Year
Marcel C. Beaudoin
Are you fixin to provide the ENTERTRAINMENT, mudbunny?:
Subject: (asp) Need Toronto girl..
2 From: mcb26
Date: Thurs, May 7 1998 12:00 am
Email: m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
alt.***.prostitution
> Ps. please do not recommend anybody associated with Lyla or her list. I
> have seen their posts on this group and can not imagine being with those
> ruffians
Unfortunately for you, you have been mislead. While I haven't tried
anybody directly associated with Lyla, before you make such a quick
decision, you should check out her Lyla's List at
http://www.lyla.com/index2.html
It is pretty damn helpful if you are looking for someone in Toronto
Subject: Req info on San Francisco
1 From: mcb26
Date: Fri, Jun 26 1998 3:00 am
Email: m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
alt.***.prostitution
I will be in San Francisco for the afternoon and evening of
the 9th of July. I just have a couple questions for all of
the experienced ASPers out there.
What local papers should I look in? Are there any hotels
that would give the escort trouble when she shows up to
get to my room?
Any recommendations for someone who doesn't have a
lot of experience in this field?
I would be looking for a young (mid 20's) escort, with
larger than average breasts, long hair, that will allow
me FULL use of the time.
Preferably she would be very enthusiastic, enjoy
(or give a very good illusion of that) her work,
and not mind recieving, as well as giving pleasure.
Thanx
-----------------
Seems you're a bit of a mommy's boy, eh marcel?
Perhaps you was weaned too early, eh chump?
3 From: mcb26
Date: Sun, Feb 14 1999 12:00 am
Email: m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
alt.***.prostitution
Try Lyla's List
http://www.lyla.com/
They show only the most recent reviews, but from what
I've ead, you can't go wrong with Annik, an independant.
MCB
Subject: (ASS) Looking for a story
1 From: Mudbunny
Date: Fri, Dec 6 2002 5:30 pm
Email: m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Mudbunny)
Groups: alt.***.stories
Hey there. I am looking for a story that has stuck in my head. It
involves a husband and wife. They go to a party, and the wife thinks
that the husband has cheated on her, so she ties him up and cheats on
him with someone (his best friend I think???). They then, staying in
the same house, try to work it out.
Can anyone help????
Subject: {ASSD} - Looking for another story
1 From: Mudbunny
Date: Thurs, Apr 17 2003 3:46 pm
Email: m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Mudbunny)
Groups: alt.***.stories.d
Hey. Looking for another story.
This one is a lot more dom/sub. It starts when the guy is young, and
he is playing dom/sub games with a neighbour, where he is the sub.
His nieghbour ties a string or something to his cock to show she owns
him.
Later on in life, he goes to work for a web firm, and finds that the
owners are all women and they all dominate him. They have a drug that
enables him to stay hard but not orgasm. It is a very long story. At
some point, his wife dies (is killed by a drunk driver maybe??) and
they comfort him. There is a challenge where he tries to last a
weekend without begging for mercy or somethoing like that. Later
on, the firm is to host a dom/sub website, and the owner of the
website is the girl from his childhood.
Thanks again for your help
Subject: Looking for stories
1 From: Mudbunny
Date: Thurs, Apr 17 2003 2:46 pm
Email: m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Mudbunny)
Groups: alt.***.stories.d
This is a fairly longish story that I am looking for. It hsa a single
guy in it who has a house that is pretty well computer controlled. He
can tell the house to turn on the lights and stuff like that.
A teenager (a neighbour or friend's daughter) comes over and they get
romantically involved. Her friends come over, and I think he has ***
with them as well.
Another story is this. Again, it is a single guy with a house. He has
a neighbour with some sons and a daughter. He pays the sons to do
yard worlk as they get older. As each one goes off to college, the next
youngest one gets the job. Finally, the daughter gets the job. They
get romantically involved as well.
Thanks
Subject: puppy advise please
11 From: Mudbunny
Date: Mon, Dec 30 2002 9:32 am
Email: m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Mudbunny)
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
A friend had a golden retriever with the same problem, towards me!!
Whenever I would show up, she would come up to me, whine, flop on her
back, and then do her best "old Faithful" imitation. Our solution was
to do as was mentioned previously, and greet her outside. After a
while (about 3 years!!!) she grew out of it.
Good luck
Marcel C. Beaudoin
------------------------
Seems you're into "water s****ts" and Bondage
an Discipline an Sado Masochism, eh marcel
the imbecile lyin DOG ABUSIN SADIST?
Subject: New puppy...a few questions
From: Mudbunny
Date: Tues, Dec 31 2002 1:06 pm
Email: m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Mudbunny)
Groups: alt.pets.dogs.labrador
With our puppy (admittedly not a lab, a ****h-tzu/schnauzer cross) who
was/is VERY bitey, we found the OW, followed by a pulling away of the
hand/foot whatever when they bite too hard worked. Occasionally, if
they continued, we held his mouth closed with our hand (much like
mother does with her pups) until he started whining. After a couple
of weeks of this, his bites are more mouthing than anything, and it is
only whn he is REALLY excited that he bites too hard that requires us
to pull away.
Marcel C. Beaudoin
From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 23:43:05 GMT
Subject: Jerry Howe's (The Amazing Puppy Wizard) Free Training Manual
From: Anne (a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Jerry Howe's Free Training Manual
Date: 2002-05-17 12:59:05 PST
I adopted my little shepherd mix pup, Ginger about
a month ago and enrolled us in obedience school
so she could learn to be a good house dog.
I love the cl***** and she is doing very, very well,
but a few of the techniques the trainer is teaching
us make me a little uncomfortable.
In the instances where I tried to use them exactly,
poor Ginger ended up cowering away from me and
looking sad and scared, and that bothered me.
Our trainer's main theory seems to be contained in
what he told us: Your dog has to fear your wrath more
than he looks forward to any pleasure gained by
disobeying you, whether it be to steal food or chase
a rabbit or just ignore a command.
I dont want Ginger to fear my wrath, or be intimidated
by me, but I also want her to listen! A few times, I
ignored the training method we were taught in school,
and tried just gently correcting her and showing her
again how to do what I wanted, along with lots and lots
of encouraging praise and she seemed to learn more
quickly that way than when I was yelling NO at the top
of my voice.
I downloaded Jerry Howe's Wits End manual and
read through it, and so much of it rang true to what
my own experience with Ginger has been. She learns
if I yell and yank her leash, but she is also unhappy
and frightened. She learns if I correct her gently and
encourage her, and she actually enjoys our training
sessions then.
So even though I havent used Mr. Howe's techniques
exactly yet, it seems like they would work very well for
me and Ginger!
I especially was interested in the part about submission
and rolling your dog over, as that is exactly what the trainer
told us to do, even if the dog was scared and snapped when
you did it!
According to Mr. Howe's manual, thats a terrible thing to do to
your dog, and after seeing a cowering little pup in class used as
an example in front of 15 other dogs, I have to agree with him!
My Ginger rolls over all the time, to have her tummy rubbed, and
Im glad I never had to try to force her like the trainer advised,
as now I see I might have harmed her psychologically by doing
that!
I just wanted to say that I was very happy to get the information
Mr. Howe provided, since a lot of it just validated my own doubts
about our trainer's methods and I feel better now about ignoring
some of them. Im going to read through the Wits End manual again
and try out some of the methods there.
I dont care if Ginger becomes a superdog...I just want
her to be a happy house dog that comes when I call
without fail, and doesnt jump on people or furniture or
steal food -- the usual good house dog behaviors.
Im much more comfortable with Mr. Howe's methods
for achieving this.
Has anyone else used this manual? Any feedback
from other users would really be appreciated.
Anne
AND LIKE THIS, marcel the imbecile idiot liar
dog abuser coward mental case phd psychoclHOWEN:
From: Marisa (mari...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Jerry Howe's Free Training Manual
Date: 2002-05-17 13:10:26 PST
Hello-
I agree with you!
I didn't want to scare my dog, or hurt her, or pull on her leash,
or any of that. I wanted her to want to work with me, and do
things with me the right way on her own. Or else I don't have a
dog, I would have a robot dog with a sad face a broken spirit.
I have had a German Shepherd pup. And a couple mixes.
They can be challanging. But let me tell you, the reward
you get from having a trained, happy German Shep far out
weighs the weeks or months or training.
And you DON'T have to hurt them to get them to listen. :)
I am now reading Jerrys manual and working with
it for my second day. My roomates, my boyfriend,
and me have already noticed that I have more "control"
without actually working harder to get it with her.
I really enjoy Jerrys "distraction" methods of sort,
the really are working fast for my Jack Russell.
Stick with it! and hey the worst that can happen
is you instill a good feeling with your dog, who
won't be afriad of you throwing her on her back,
or jerking her leash and possibly creating a
spinal injury :)
marisa
AND NHOWE for TODAY'S post from marcel the imbecile
idiot liar phd dog abusin psychoclHOWEN ***UAL SADIST:
"Marcel Beaudoin" <marcel.beaud...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> shelly <she...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
> news:4ppnqtFjugssU1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Marcel Beaudoin wrote:
>>> Aren't prong collars supposed to provide self-correction to the dog??
>>> When they pull, it provides some discomfort, when they stop, it
>>> stops. Isn't giving a correction with a prong collar wrong??
>> Not necessarily. It depends on how the collar is being used. If
>> it's being used to curb pulling on lead, then allowing the dog to
>> self-correct is generally the recommended advice. A prong collar
>> can also be used by the handler to apply a physical correction.
> Ahhh, thanks!!
Hey marcel the imbecile idiot liar dog abuser
coward mental case phd psychoclHOWEN?
HOWE abHOWET The Amazing Puppy Wizard drops your
name, marcel the imbecile idiot liar dog abuser mental case
phd psychoclHOWEN?:
YOU WROTE:
> Earlier this week, while I was occupied, Moogli grabbed
> something and ran into the bedroom. When Gen went to
> grab it from him, he growled and bit her on the knuckle. :(
Say "ADIOS, Gen..."
> She freaked out, crying.
INDEEDY.
> Needless to say, he swallowed whatever it waws that he stole.
Yeah...
> I also figured out why he bit her.
Cause you've ABUSED HIM, marcel.
> After talking with her, I discovered that, preeviously, when
> she was taking something from him, if he growled, she would
> swat him.
SEE? SEE?? SEE???
Subject: Re: GL vs. Prong
Date: 2002-12-23 11:14:11 PST
"Mudbunny" <m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
A.K.A marcel the clown mbeaud...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrotein message news:ea2dcca7.0212231102.510e9db7@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, time to add my 2 cents (Canadian, so about half
a cent american) worth. When I first started looking into
getting a dog, I wandered out on the net and found info
on a prong collar, and when I looked at it, it looked like
this HORRID thing designed to hurt dogs.
Then, I saw on some show (don't remember which)
info on choke-collars vs. prong collars. The host
actually put one of each on HIMSELF and tried it.
HE found that the choke collar did what it was designed
to do, choke the living daylights out of whoever has it on.
The prong collar on the other hand provided even
pressure all the way around the neck, and he could
take a lot harder of a pull before it got really uncomfortable.
Marcel Beaudoin
And THAT'S HOWE COME DOGS GO INSANE.
Thank you Mudbunny. Now we know HOWE COME we
got lying dog abusing Thug Cowards hurting dogs
and believing they're not hurtin them...
LIKE THIS:
Dogs aggress on children BECAUSE of their owner's
efforts to TRAIN them, as DEMONSTRATED in the thread
"I don't THINK I need to worry":
From: Marcel Beaudoin <mbeaud...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 15 Sep 2005 14:47:08 GMT
Subject: Re: I don't THINK I need to worry....
"White Monkey" <k.m.c.oo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
news:43283c75$0$11071$e4fe514c@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Thus I think instead of worrying about this or
> trying harder to limit dog/baby/chew-thing
> encounters, I should just keep an eye on things.
> What are you folks' takes on this?
I am in the same situation.
When Emilie was born, Moogli wouldn't go near her unless
she was asleep and not moving. He was absolutely terrified
of her and wouldn't come within 5 feet of her.
Pulling him closer resulted in the lean-away and much
struggling. He has gotten a lot better in that he will
sniff her quite a bit if she is sleeping or not looking
at him, but he is still wary of her.
(She, OTOH, is in love with him. If he is moving,
the rest of us might as well not exist)
Right now, Gen and I are going with the idea that
any interaction Moogli has with her is good. He is
pretty much a food whore, so we are putting treats
by her and getting him to take them, petting him
with he hands when he is relly calm, that sort of
thing.
Personally, we are just making sure that Moogli isn't
pushed (too much or too fast) in his interactions with
Emilie. If he is chewing on a rawhide or something, we
try to keep her grabby hands away from him.
If he is playing with something on the other hand, we
will take it, put it by her and get him to come and
take it.
He has growled at her once or twice, but Moogli talks
by growling, so it wasn't a worry. He has also snapped
at her once, but that was because she had gotten a really
good grab (as only babies can do) of his tail and yanked,
hard. He would snap at me if I did that as well.
--
Marcel and Moogli
http://mudbunny.blogspot.com/
Local: Tues,Dec 31 2002 11:29 am
Subject: Re: Weekend update (With Marcel and Moogli)
"I think the best thing to do is to let him run and
scream, eventualkly he will learn that they will not
kill him. I will be close and let him hide behind me
if necessary, but I won't pick him up. I will also
ask the trainer to keep a close eye on him when they
play." Marcel C. Beaudoin
From: Marcel Beaudoin
Date: Mon, Feb 17 2003 2:16 pm
Email: Marcel Beaudoin <mbeaud...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Lee DeRaud <lee.der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
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> I'll bet the *other* three times are well worth the
> price of admission, at least to a third-party observer.
> Lee
To me, it is kinda scary. We have become kinda used to
Moogli wandering around on the couch (except when he
decides that the best place to watch TV is from my chest,
in front of my head) so often the only warning I get of a
successful attempt is seeing him chewing on something,
taking it away from him, and giving it back to Gen.
Unsuccessful attempts are notified by screams of OW!!OW!!OW!!
I have been told that this situation is not funny.
Not one bit.
--
*******************************************
Marcel Beaudoin
Remove urka-gurka to reply
From: Marcel Beaudoin
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2003 10:49 am
Email: Marcel Beaudoin <mbeaud...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
"shelly" <scouvre...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in news:b6hfjf$5cu7a$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> In news:Xns93525C388ACFDmbeauurkagurkasympat@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Marcel Beaudoin <mbeaud...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> typed:
>> I am a very light sleeper and wake up a couple times a
>> night. Don't know why, I just do (might come from 6 years
>> in the artillery reserves).
> or you wake yourself up snoring!
Entirely possible. I did that on Saturday afternoon. I was
sleeping on the couch in the afternoon, and would wake
myself up with my snoring. Gen was on the otherside of
the apartment working on the laptop. SHe said it was loud
from where she was.
This time, Moogli didn't react to my snoring, he just laid
down with his head jammed into my armpit. (To block
the noise maybe??)
>> I calm him down, and he spent the rest of the
>> night sleeping on my chest (advantage of a small dog) or
>> beside me, leaning against me through the covers.
> both of my dogs have vivid dreams (lots of movement and
> vocalization). i've never had one of them wake up afraid,
> though. poor Moogli.
It's the first time he has woken my up with his dreaming.
He was a bit panicked for the first couple of minutes, but
calmed down prertty quickly after that.
--
*******************************************
Marcel Beaudoin & Moogli
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Subject: Weekly update (by Marcel for Moolgi) - LONG
1From: Marcel Beaudoin
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2003 10:50 am
Email: Marcel Beaudoin <m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Sorry for the delay, but real life things
(like a wedding) got in the way.
Executive Summary:
Moogli is not a fan of my brother
Statement from my mom about Moogli
Moolgi goes on vacation.
Moogli's acrobatics
Moogli discovers that he is (was??) a man
The race circuit
Some of you may have gotten this from previous posts. Moogli
is not a fan of my brother. The first time my brother showed
up in the apartment was when Gen went to pick up Shawn from
the bus station. They got home, let Moogli out of the cage,
and Moogli spent the day either hiding behind Gen or barking
at my brother from undereath the futon or the living room table.
Wierd little dog. However, any uncertainty would disappear when
it came time for my brother to take a nap. Then, Moogli would
decide to nap with him. However, once my brother would wake up
again, it was back to fear.
The fear thing lasted longer than I thought, mainly because my
brother spent a lot of time out with friends, thus Moogli never
really had to spend a lot of time around him. Nearest I can figure,
Shawn wierded Moolgi out because he has the same general body
type as me, moves like I do, but, he is *not* me.
Once Shawn started spending some time at home, Moogli got a bit
better, but he was still uncertain. He would crouch, moving forward
*very* slowly, until my brother would make a "threatening" gesture
(like turning his head, talking, or any other normal movement) at
which point Moolgi would rununder the futon.
This graduated to apoint where he would move up to Shawn, sniff him,
and then run around the futon, through the kitchen and do the same
thing from the other side of the sofa. He did this for about 30
minutes.
<snip idiocy>
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Marcel Beaudoin & Moogli
HOWEDY marcel the imbecile idiot liar dog and child
abusing punk thug coward Ph.D. psychoclHOWEN,
"Marcel Beaudoin" <marcel.beaud...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Xns98289F2F760A3mbeausympaticoca@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "jordan.mcche...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" <jordan.mcche...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
> news:1156361869.284003.307330@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Have you done anything to make him enjoy being in the crate?
>>> What crate training have you done?
That's sheer idiocy.
>> I made it as comfortable as possible for him before. With bedding,
>> toys, and treats, and even covering it with a sheet for privacy. None
>> of this stopped the whining. I have him eating in his crate, I can get
>> him to go into his crate for a treat. He's not terrified of the crate,
>> he just doesn't like being in it at night when we are there.
> Than you just need to be patient IMO.
That so, marcel the imbecile idiot liar dog abuser Ph.D.
psychoclHOWEN?
> He will grow accustomed to sleeping in the crate.
Some dogs DIE from being locked in boxes and ignored when they cry.
> It may take some time, but he will grow accustomed to it.
Ahhh, the voice of EXXXPERIENCE!:
Puppy Nipping/Biting Advice
5 From: Marcel Beaudoin
Date: Mon, Feb 10 2003 12:12 pm
Email: "Marcel Beaudoin" <m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Groups: alt.pets.dogs.labrador
"KeithMorri" <keithmo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:20030210100213.19815.00001033@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> My 10-week-old lab, Cooper, has started to aggressively nip and bite.
> He has taken a particular fancy to my hands, fingers, arms, feet, legs,
> pretty much whatever he can get.
> I want to stop this as soon as possible but so far nothing seems to be
> working.
> Here's what I've done so far -
> 1. The high-pitched "OWWW". Doesn't phase him, actually it seems to make
> him more aggressive.
> 2. Putting my finger down his throat. Also doesn't work.
> He'll stop, gag, and resume biting.
At 10 weeks old, they aren't all that bright. It may take
a couple of weeks/months doing #1 for it to take effect.
Like Montana said, you have to ignore them completely for
a couple of minutes. That is what mom and the other pups
would do when they played too rough. They learn that biting
hard stops play, ergo, biting hard is bad.
This is what we did with our pup. It took a couple of months,
and even now he bites hard when we play too rough, but I say
OWWW and he stops, and usually kisses the offended finger/wrist.
Marcel
Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
news:Fri95B37CF743490australianshepherdca@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Marcel Beaudoin said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> Hate to break it to you Matt, but like I said in the e-mail
>> I sent you, there was no forgery. All the posts in this
>> thread attributed to me were written by me.
> Sorry to not get back to you on email (I'm dealing with a ton of
> that right now), but there were a couple of things that led me
> to believe it wasn't you - the main one being that you tried
> relocating Moogli to the basement.
NP. I figured that was it. As for relocating him to
the basement, that was made under a great deal
of duress.
Once I told Genevieve that if she wanted
him to stop crying, that she would be going
down the stairs all the time, the idea got shelved.
Now he is in the bedroom in the corner. Settles down
quite quietly at night, no squirtguns needed any more.
Funny story with that. When I leave for work, Moogli
gets to sleep the rest of the morning in bed with Gen.
Yesterday morning, when Gen woke up, she couldn't
feel him in bed with her so she looked around in a panic.
The first thought in her head was that she had squished
him flat. (I know I know, but as Gen gets more pregnant,
her brains are turning to mush. I expect to come home
one day to find whiteout on the laptop) She looked and
looked in the bed under the covers for him in a panic.
She looked downtairs in the living room to see if he had
gone down to one of the couches and crashed on a pillow.
Finally, she gets back upstairs and sees him asleep (still)
in his cage.
--
Marcel and Moogli
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!
> Marcel and Moogli
> http://mudbunny.blogspot.com/
"I Know The Difference Between Testimonials And Demonstrated
Examples, So, Please Provide Examples, NOT Testimonials.
ANYONE Can Name-Drop-", marcel the imbecile idiot liar <{); ~ ) >
Hey marcel? Ask Lucy for some EXXXAMPLES of HOWE she CURED
her dog's aggression and separation anXXXIHOWESNESS NEARLY
INSTANTLY, amongst other AMAZING behaviors like fear of thunder?
HOWE'S THAT for NAME DROPPIN, marcel?
LIKE THIS:
"Marcel Beaudoin" mbeaud...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in message news:goaZ9.46900$j5.154010@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Well. The weekend gave us some good news and some
> bad news for Moogli. Start with the bad news. Moogli
> gets a participation certificate from his training class.
> The fact that he shuts down with other dogs around him
> makes it really difficult for him to do anything. Stacey
> (the trainer) recommended putting him through another
> session of puppy training. It sounds like a good idea, but
> I don't think I will do it at PetSmart. (Sorry Leah<grin>)
> I don't think that they would be able to offer a class size
> that won't shut Moogli down in the times that we can make it.
> So we are going to look around the area, see if there are
> any other trainers available that might be able to help.
> On the plus side, Moogli has gotten better in his interactions
> with other dogs. While he still doesn't play with them, he doesn't
> run in terror from them either.
> He will walk away.
> A couple times, when they (the other dogs) would come up
> and he would not be able to move, he would growl and bark
> at them. But he would let them sniff him! Granted, he wasn't
> sniffing back and he was curling his lips at them.
> Oh well, you win some and you lose some.
> Marcel
DOG TRAININ AIN'T LUCK... masters degree holder...
The Puppy Wizzzard sez BWWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!
Our university professors are on the horns of a few dilemmas.
The Puppy Wizzzard has determined their methods cause behavior
problems... we're SUIN em for MALPRACTICE and ANIMAL ABUSE.
You won't see them respond here, cause of their INSECURITY
FEAR AND MISTRUST. They don't trust themselves to be RIGHT...
The Puppy Wizzzard is fixin to drop the hammer on the entire
industry all at WONCE.
HOWEDY marcel the clown,
"Marcel Beaudoin" <mbeaud...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message news:V%QZ9.48724$j5.162977@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Just try to keep an eye on him.
That's HOWE COME the dog will do that BEHIND YOUR BACK.
> When he goes to chew on something you don't
> want, distract him
BRIEFLY, NON PHYSICALLY and INSTANTLY PRAISE for
5-15 seconds and allow the pup to CONTINUE as he
chooses.
> then give him a toy he can chew on.
NO. THAT'S HOWE COME YOU CAN'T TRAIN THE PUP.
HE NEEDS TO THINK OF AND ATTEMPT THE BEHAVIOR
UNTIL IT'S FULLY EXTINGUISHED THRU REPEATED
SUCCESSIVE SUCCESSFULLY DISTRACTED AND PRAISED
BRIEF VARIABLE INTERRUPTIONS AND THE FREEDOM TO
THINK IT THROUGH TILL EXTINCTION.
Too bad you're a phd... marcel the clown... you
add a new dimension to STUPID.
> Once he starts chewing, praise him.
NO. That's IDIOCY. The dog has been taken away from
the problem BEFORE HE CAN LEARN not to DO IT!
> Eventually he will learn that he gets rewards
> from chewing on his toys.
"Oh well, another 19 months and maybe he'll
have outgrown his chewing."
BWWWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
That's HOWE COME the "EXXXPERTS" tell you
to lock the dog in a box.
> With Moogli, it took about a month and a half of this
> before he learned not to chew on shoes.
Takes The Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Students aboHOWET WON DAY to do THAT.
> Now there is only once or twice a week
> that he wanders around the apartment
> with a shoe in his mouth.
BWWWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
GOOD LUCK, marcel the goddamnedest freakin most
stupidest most undeservedly arrogant mealy mouthed
doubletalking lying dog abusing Punk Thug Coward
clown in town...
BWWAAHJAJAJAJAJAAA!!!
> Marcel
Sun,May 15 2005 9:27 am
Subject: Re: What does "bupkis" really mean
HOWEDY marcel the imbecile idiot liar dog abuser
coward active acute long term incurable mental
case phd psychoclHOWEN,
Marcel Beaudoin wrote:
> lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in news:1116000208.026381.280780
> @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Yeah. "It doesn't work", but allows me to walk my dogs
> > without the bolting, pulling and the wanting the other
> > dogs to diediedie, that TRAINED dogs seem to be so good
> > at doing, every day.
> Hmmm. Let me try to explain it a bit clearer.
Your own dog bit your Mrs. on accHOWENT of you jerk an choke IT.
> By the words that you used, you indicated that if you
> wanted to get your dog to not bother the other dog, you
> use "good Boy" to distract them
No. We DON'T "distract" the dog with PRAISE, we REASSURE the dog.
> and get them to focus on you.
No marcel the imbecile. THAT makes the dog DEPENDENT on
his CON-TROLLER being IN CON-TROLL <{) ; ~ ) >
> The thing is, if your (Jerry's) technique actually worked,
> after the first few times, you woudn't need to distract tham,
RIGHT. But ONLY if we BRIEFLY ALTERNATELY and NON PHYSICALLY
DISTRACT and PRAISE AFTER PRAISE IN ADVANCE, marcel .
HERE'S HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual STUDENTS all over the Whole Wild World DO IT
EFFECTIVELY NEARLY INSTANTLY GENTLY and FOR FREE, to boot:
"ziggy" <y...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:98c6b5cb.0301261115.27651ebf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, thanks for taking the time to reply as you
kindly did. Yeah, ok, I think I got to hand it to you
lol So it's back to the manual for a while and I'll
let you know how we get on! I'm still eating my
humble pie so excuse crumbs ~;0)
I really didn't think the rewarding bad behaviour
had a chance in hell but you have proved me wrong......
He was blanking me like crazy the other day, I lost
my rag (Got the flu so on a short leash myself lol)
Gave it a 'Good boy, yeah you really are!' and he
did what I'd been asking him to do for 5 mins straight
away lol Doh!!
Tickles me now when he's up to no good and I say
Good Boy, he turns straight back to my sweety and
he doesn't even know it!
It's applied physchology all the way with Dobies
in particular and I know it's often better to turn a
blind eye rather than confront at that particular
time, I've always distracted rather than corrected
at this young age but I'm going your way!!
Thanks all
ziggy
This humble pie tastes nice actually ~;0)
ziggy--
> they would be coming to you on your command
No marcel. The COME COMMAND IS the come command, not priase.
HOWEver, you GOT TO PRAISE WITH the COME COMMAND or you'll
not be followin the SCIENTIFICALLY CONSISTENT METHOD, marcel,
and you'll EXXXTINGUISH the INSTALLATION of the COME COMMAND
as a CONDITIONAL REFLEX.
HOWEver, askin the dog to COME WILL NOT TRAIN HIM NOT TO DO THAT.
> *without* the need to distract them first.
You're full of crap, marcel. You got NO IDEA HOWE to install
a conditional reflex or you wouldn't be JERKIN and CHOKIN
your own dog who FEARS you and your brother and GRHOWELS at
you when you carry the paper and GRHOWELED at your brother
for two weeks when he visited on accHOWENT of HE LOOKS LIKE
YOU.
That SEZ IT ALL, don't it, marcel.
> Question for you, what phrase do you use when you want to
> praise your dogs?
Same same, marcel. UNLESS we've CONDITIONED a string of
relaxing reinforcers to be triggered when we need the
dog to RELLY REALLY calm DHONEN INSTNATLY, like when
there's a thunder storm or maybe sumpthin like THIS
> > Wasn't there someone here last year (who writes books
> > with dogs in it) who said essentially the same thing?
That was LeeCharlesKelley who likeWIZE LEARNED HOWE
to understand and use PRAISE according to The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >
From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:14:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
Leah:>I did try to get my head around your theories, but
I can't buy them. praise *reinforces* the dog's behavior<
I'll give you an easier example: say you're walking through
the park with your dog. She starts walking a little ahead
of you but not isn't intensely focused on something in the
environment, she's just a little restless to move ahead.
You praise her entususiastically and she turns and comes
back to your side. If praise were only a reinforcer, praising
her for moving ahead of you would have made her feel that *that*
behavior was good and reinforced it, right?
She would have been more likely to
stay in front of you than come back.
So in this example how and why did praise have the
opposite effect and *change* the behavior rather
than reinforce it?
From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:46:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
John:>I dunno. In both of these situations, praise
stopped the undesirable behavior. I would guess that
the praise meant more to your dog at that point than
the object he was after.
That's it pretty much in a nutshell. The dog was looking
for a way to relieve mild emotional tension. The behavior
was given up voluntarily when the dog found another source
of emotional satisfaction, being praised. Praise works,
as both a reward and a "correction", because it
changes the dog's emotional state. Behavior is caused by
emotion. When you change a dog's emotional state, you
automatically change his behavior.
John: > What happens if that balance is disturbed. What
happens if the object your dog is going after means more
to them than your praise,
Then praise wouldn't have any effect on the behavior. In
order to use praise in this way you have to be able to "read"
the dog's emotions.
Although, I take that back. That's not necessarily true.
I once got an aggressive dog at the dog run to almost give
up her aggression by praising her every time she growled at
a dog who came too close. I wasn't doing it on purpose.
I was just trying to calm her nerves, but I noticed that
when I began praising her, her psychic buffer zone started
about fifteen feet away from where we were sitting.
But after praising her for ten minutes or so, she'd let a
dog get within five feet or less before the growls started
escaping from her throat. She even did the thing with her
nose, where she'd start to try and sniff the dog from her
perch on the park bench before the growl in her throat got
loose.
I thought she was very sweet underneath her swagger and felt
that with enough encouragement she might be able to get off
her ass and actually go play with some of the other dogs,
but her owner thought I was "encouraging" her aggression and
gave us both a good scolding.
She was quite right to scold me. I hadn't been asked to change
her dog's behavior. But the dog hadn't been doing a damn thing
when the owner came over, grabbed her roughly by the collar, held
her snout and shouted in her face.
John:>or what happens if you do not praise them for a
while when they attempt to perform the undesired behavior?
I'm not sure I understand the question. Praising a bad
behavior, if done in the right situation, with the right
timing, and with four or five repetitions, should get the
dog to totally give up the desire to produce the behavior
ever again, at least in that location.
Remember, the desire to produce the behavior comes from
internal emotional tension. If that tension is resolved
through praise (or whatever tactic you use), the dog will
have learned that the behavior it had wanted to produce
didn't get a successful result, but that listening to you
(or responding to whatever tactic you used to relieve the
tension) *did*.
> > So, I used his "technique" on Pan's stick chewing.
Yeah, but NON VIOLENT METHODS DO NOT WORK for DOG ABUSERS:
Re: Your Training Modality is Driving Your Dogs Crazy
Leah:>>Is there something wrong with being curious?
Morrison:>You're not curious, Leah. IMO, you're just wishy-washy.
Kelley: I don't have the same history that you seem to have with
Leah, but I hardly think being open to exploring new ideas qualifies
as being "wishy-washy". To me it shows intelligence. But then,
from what I've seen, you've demonstrated a singular kind of black
and-white mentality and a highly ignorant closed-mindedness.
Morrison:>You keep thinking that there's some "new" method
out there that will VOILA!, magically transform you into a
great trainer, and overnight, too.
> It just doesn't work that way.
Kelley: Actually, that's *exactly* how it worked with me.
Within the first day of using these techniques I went from
becoming a run-of-the-mill dog trainer to being pretty damn
good, if I do say so myself, and all simply by testing the
techniques, just to see if they worked.
I've said from the beginning that if I can get the kind of
amazing results I do when I'm not really a dog trainer at
heart, but a writer, then someone who's really a dog trainer
at heart would become a far better trainer than I am instantly,
just by using these methods.
Somewhere along the line, however, I discovered a dirty little
secret about the mentality of most dog trainers: they only
*became* trainers because they liked the feeling of power and
control it gave them. If that's the case with you, then you
definitely wouldn't like natural dog training because it
ultimately teaches a dog how to control his own behavior.
In fact in some ways, it forces you to turn your need for
control over to the dog because the method only works when
you put your trust in a dog's natural instincts instead of
fighting against them all the time.
That's because when you put yourself in alignment with a dog's
instincts, the dog will naturally obey you under any and all
cir***stances because group harmony and cooperation, when
properly nurtured, are the most fundamental aspects of a dog's
nature.
I came across the following quote recently, and though I have
no idea who Edward Hoagland is, I think what he says here speaks
volumes: "In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn't merely try
to train him to be semi-human.
The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of
becoming partly a dog." - Edward Hoagland
Leah:>>This "praise the dog when he misbehaves" thing keeps
coming up, and nobody has been able to explain it to me.
Morrison:>That's because no one can.
Actually, Jerry Howe explains it pretty well.
And as for the incident I related where I praised my
dog when he found a juicy chicken breast and my praise
caused him to drop it, and subsequently got him to stop
scavenging altogether, merely by praising him everytime
he found something, the answer is pretty clear.
He didn't pick up that chicken breast because he was hungry,
he did it because he was looking for something to do that
would satisfy an inner emotional need, relating to his instincts.
When I praised him, suddenly and very enthusiastically, he
dropped the chicken breast because the praise provided him
with more emotional satisfaction than the chicken breast
did at that particular moment.
You could look at this as being an example of pure operant
conditioning, if you like (though you'd be wrong), but it
would still mean that you would have to give up your beliefs
about what praise is and how and why it works, and you don't
strike me as someone who's capable of even *questioning* your
beliefs, let alone capable of giving them up.
Morrison:>every single method out there is based on CC
and/or OC. That's a fact.
No, it's not a fact. The only reason it seems factual to
you is because the basic premise of behavioral science is
tautological in nature (and also because, IMO, you have a
tiny mind).
In my estimation it's more likely that there are little
green men on Mars than that what you think is operant
conditioning is what's really taking place when a dog
learns *anything*.
Dogs do not learn things by association or by repetition or by
trial and error, but through their emotions, pure and simple.
Even Pavlov said: "Positive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic
significance at a given moment, serve as the reinforcement."
Of course, even Pavlov got it wrong on the most basic level,
since there really is no such thing as a reinforcement, but
that's another story for another day.
---------------------------
> > Before, I would just ask her to drop it/leave it.
No, suja would JERK and CHOKE IT and SCREAM "LEAVE IT"
as per taragreen2's INSTRUCTIONS which she NEVER FINISHED
TEACHIN US on accHOWENT of she got CONGESTED.
> > After, I would tell her she's a good girl when she
> > picked up or was about to pick up a stick.
INDEED. PUNISHMENT and INTIMDIDATION are HOWE COME
you got to CONTINUE SCREAMIN "LEAVE IT" and jerking
and choking the dog someMOORE as suja's POSTED CASE
HISTORY will clearly reveal, as will yours, marcel.
> > Upshot was that I had a very happy, waggy tailed
> > dog who settled down to chew the stick.
BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
AS OPPOSED to havin a VERY UNHAPPY dog DOIN THE SAME SAME.
> > Clearly, she was relieved that I had come to my
> > senses and recognized that sticks are an essential
> > part of the doggie diet.
CLEARLY, PUNISHMENT DERRANGES BEHAVIORS.
> Hey Lucy!!!
Hey marcel the imbecile idiot liar dog abuser
coward mental case phd psychoclHOWEN!!!
> Obviously, based on your own words "A theory - ANY theory -
> is worthy only as long as it is sup****ted by the experimental
> data. ONE discordant experiment and the theory is in bad trouble. "
INDEEDY! NON VIOLENT METHODS DO NOT WORK FOR DOG
ABUSING MENTAL CASES like yourself, marcel the
imbecile idiot liar dog abuser coward mental case
phd psychoclHOWEN <{): ~ ) >
> In Message-ID: <1122919044.441562.48...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Jerry's method is in "bad trouble".
HARDLY, marcel. If you EXXXPERT DOG ABUSERS STUDIED
and FOLLOWED THE METHODS PRECISELY you'd GET your own
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS JUST LIKE
HOWE ALL The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Students from ALL OVER The
WHOWEL WILD WORLD RE****T RIGHT HERE.
You know, the WONS YOU CALL LIARS, remember marcel?
> --
> Marcel and Moogli
> http://mudbunny.blogspot.com/
LIKE THIS:
From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:46:32 -0500
Subject: Re: New record (Ninnyboy, Jerry Howe) -
"I Know The Difference Between Testimonials And
Demonstrated Examples, So, Please Provide Examples,
NOT Testimonials. ANYONE Can Name-Drop-
HOWEDY marcel the clown,
"Marcel Beaudoin" <mbeaud...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message news:TqQZ9.48305$j5.162782@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Aww crap. That's what I get for posting at 7:45 when I'm
> not awake yet. Sorry for the crosspost everyone...
"Mudbunny" <m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:ea2dcca7.0212300651.24220d7@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(The Puppy Wizard) wrote in message
<news:92F3BF57D2376@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
> > Sounds like you're doing perfectly...
BWEAAAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
> > That's HOWE COME I'm here...
That, and to RUB IT IN BUT GOOD, to boot.
> > cause what you're being taught is DEAD WRONG.
Yeah... The Puppy Wizzzard likes to HURT.
> > <}TPW;~} >
> OK, it's kinda boring at work right now, so I'll bite.
Can your chin reach your butt???
> Can you, WITHOUT relying on rhetoric or name-calling,
You don't like being proven DEAD WRONG by a uneducated
shade tree **** kicking dog trainer tellin you HOWER university
professors are givin you a bum steer, ESPECIALLY after you
done gone and blown your INHERITANCE on a degree that
The Puppy Wizzzard JUST PROVED his HALF TRUTH...
> AND providing concrete examples,
The Puppy Wizzzard prefers to use DEMON-STRATED
SELF DISCIPLINE as EXXXAMPLE. That's HOWE COME
The Puppy Wizzzard doesn't force bribe punish
scold confine correct and mishandle dogs, cause
they're VERY SENSITIVE, like PHD'S... BWEAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
WELCOME TO WWW WITS' END DOG TRAINING FOOL SCHOOL.
> tell me how what I am being taught is wrong,
START BY LOOKIN AT YOUR POSTIN HISTORY THE PAST MONTH.
> and what I should do instead.
EVERYBODY ELSE SEZ THEY KILLFILED JERRY SO THEY
DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND BE PROVEN
LIARS AND FACE RIDICULE.
> Marcel C. Beaudoin
The Puppy Wizzzard wouldn't RIDICULE a Phd... cause HE'D
PROBALBY FALLA OUTTA HIS ARMCHAIR BUSTIN A GUT
LIKE DIDDLER'S DOG LAUGHIN HIS ARSE OFF AND FALL
INTO YOUR MALARKEY PILED HIGH AND DEEP.
BWAAAAHAHAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAAA!!!
> N.B. Having finished my PhD,
Yeah... It'll COME IN HANDY when The Puppy Wizzzard
WRITES HIS BOOK about SHAMING THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY...
YOU'RE THE PUPPY WIZZZARD'S CANNON FODDER, marcel the
goddamnedest freakin stupidest most undeservedly arrogant
mealy mouthed doubletalking lying dog abusing clown in town...
BWWAAHJAJAJAJAJAAA!!!
> I know the difference between testimonials
Testimonials? You mean the SCORES of FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Students who've RE****TED 100%
TOTAL NON FORCE CONTROL NEARLY INSTANTLY?
YOU MEAN THE WONS YOU CALLED FORGERIES AND LIES?
> and demonstrated examples,
Oh! The Puppy Wizzzard is gettin the HANG of this universtiy
thinkin...
> so, please provide examples,
NO PROBLEMO EL ESTUPIDO!!!
> NOT testimonials.
RIGHT... SCORES OF IDENTICAL TESTIMONALS FROM
ALL KINDS OF FOLK FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD WITH
SERIOUS BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS NEARLY INSTANTLY
CURED, FOR FREE, AND THAT AIN'T GOOD ENOUFF
FOR A PHD?????
You tickle The Puppy Wizzzard... PINK.
> ANYONE can name-drop.
FOR SHORE!
But NOBODY can name drop like The Puppy Wizzzard
when he DROPS THE HAMMER on the entire industry,
startin with PURDUE BEHAVIOR CLINIC FOR MALPRACTICE.
HOWE'S MY SPELLIN?
Re: puppy advise please
Subject: The Core Takeaway I Got From Jerry's Manual
Is This: Make Yourself The Center Of Your Puppy's World -
His Personal Lord Jesus. Never Give Him A Reason To Fear
You Or Think You're Angry. Love The Heck Out Of Him, And
You'll End Up With...
HOWEDY mud,
"Mudbunny" <m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:ea2dcca7.0212300532.797e62b1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> A friend had a golden retriever with the same problem, towards me!!
> Whenever I would show up, she would come up to me, whine, flop on her
> back, and then do her best "old Faithful" imitation. Our solution was
> to do as was mentioned previously, and greet her outside. After a
> while (about 3 years!!!) she grew out of it.
Brilliant. The Puppy Wizard has never seen a case of
submissive urination last longer than a couple days...
> Good luck
Yeah. KEEP IT, marcel. Dog training AIN'T LUCK.
> Marcel C. Beaudoin
That's HOWE COME your idiocy takes 3 years to
'train' the dog and Your Puppy Wizard's students
do it in a day or two...
The Core Takeaway I Got From Jerry's Manual Is This:
Make Yourself The Center Of Your Puppy's World -
His Personal Lord Jesus. Never Give Him A Reason
To Fear You Or Think You're Angry. Love The Heck
Out Of Him, And You'll End Up With A Great Dog," Charlie
From: Eric
To: jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: just checking in..
Jerry!
You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago
regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you
know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days
using your techniques!
He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"!
Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his
head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter
of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer.
I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed
'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside
their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to
be good dogs!
Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward
to working with these guys a couple times a day...
Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned
from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain rather
than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense.
I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who beat MY ass lol!
Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes
out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs.
A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in
training his horses- he calls it "natural horseman****p". He
is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he
repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows
any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it
(pun intended)... Too cool....
Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work!
Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard
> HOWEDY marcel the clown,
> "Marcel Beaudoin" <mbeaud...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote in message news:V%QZ9.48724$j5.162977@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > "Trentus" <The_Supe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > news:VeMZ9.35670$jM5.91393@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Why do I love this dog so much.
> That's what gets a lot of dogs HURT and DEAD around here...
> > > He ate through one keyboard cable,
> Tough break. That'll happen if you don't allow the puppy
> to cruize around the HOWES and teach him what's his
> or not... without giving alternate behaviors and substitutes...
> > > but didn't matter,
> It mighta, if he got DEAD over it. That's HOWE COME
> we sometimes use a little Sloan's Linament, if we haven't
> been able to address that sort of thing, USUALLY BECAUSE
> of PAST INAPPROPRIATE EFFORTS to break the dog of
> chewing wires...
> That makes it REAL HARD to CATCH THE DOG in the ACT
> of THINKIN about touching a wire, AND PRAISING HIM for
> THINKING ABOUT IT BEFORE HE TOUCHES it...
> If he CONTINUES to try to touch it, we make a brief variable
> distraction INSTANTLY followed by prolonged non physical
> PRAISE, and ALLOW the pup TO CONTINUE exploring to
> TEACH HIM the wires are not for him... WITHOUT TAKIN
> HIM AWAY FROM IT.
> SAME SAME SAME SAME FOR ANY OTHER BEHAVIOR.
> > > it was an old keyboard.
> Big deal. Don't matter WHAT it was, it's ALL THE SAME
> SAME to the puppy.
> > > Then he ate through a PlayStation2 Controller cable
> > > I'd left out when went to bed.
> Because you hadn't TRAINED him. Takes The Puppy
> Wizzzard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
> Manual Students about two HOWERS to train their pups
> to not touch nuthin that's not for them throughout the HOWES.
> > > That's OK, I mostly play alone.
> Sometimes it's hard to find anybody good enough to play with...
> > > But today he ate through the other controllers cable
> Brilliant. You could have used the two pryor instances as
> training lessons AFTER THE FACT as instructed in your
> FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.
> > > while the kids were playing with it (they had part of
> > > it lying over the arm of the chair he was lying beside)
> Blame the kids...for you not training EITHER to behave.
> > > The total of replacement parts is greater than the price
> > > we paid for the dog.
> The Puppy Wizzzard gets most of HIS dogs for FREE from
> EXXXPERT trainers who've become afraid of their dogs
> they've abused according to traditional training methods.
> > > Oh well, another 19 months and maybe he'll have
> > > outgrown his chewing.
> YEAH. THAT'S BECAUSE OF HOWE YOU'RE TRAINING HIM.
LIKE THIS:
From: Marcel Beaudoin
Date: Mon, Feb 3 2003 11:37 am
Email: "Marcel Beaudoin" <m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Groups: alt.pets.dogs.labrador
"Very Joyful" <veryjoy...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:11:03 -0500 (EST),
> rmazz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Roe M) wrote:
> > I have a 6 month old female chocolate lab.....very loving..
> > but.....when playing with her she occassionally will nip my
> > hand and lunge at my ****rt sleeve.
> Go alpha on her immediately.
> Get higher than her. (Stand up, right over her.)
> Say NO! in a deep loud voice.
I wouldn't suggest this at all. You want to teach your pup
how to play. When she was with her mom, mom would turn away
and ignore the pups if they got too bitey. By doing it this
way, your pup associates biting with play stopping, and she
will learn to play the right way.
Also, when she bites you, use a high pitched voice and go OW!!!
This is similar to the yelp that mom (or the other pups) made
when they were playing... Marcel
> Teething does not mean destructive chewing. Destructive
> chewing is a SYMPTOM OF ANXIETY, not teething.
> > > The stupid thing is
> YOU GOT ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED BUT YOU'RE
> TOO STUPID TO USE IT CAUSE YOU WANT TO PUNISH
> AND HURT.
> > he has A HUGE supply of Pigs ears,
> The Puppy Wizzzard would NEVER give HIS dogs crap like that.
> The Puppy Wizzzard only leaves WON acceptable chew item
> in each area of the HOWES. The Puppy Wizzzard NEVER
> offers the acceptable chew items unless it's for PLEASURE.
> > > twisted ropes, rubber toys,
> Fine...
> > marinated cowhides,
> GARBAGE.
> > > and every other conceivable chewable items
> > > from super soft to extra tough,
> Like your electronics stuff, hunh?
> > > he has no EXCUSE for chewing cables.
> SHORE he does. YOU NEVER TRAINED HIM.
> > > Aaaarrrghhh.
> Stupidity begins in the HOWES... or sumpthin like that.
> > > Trentus
> GOOD LUCK...
> > Just try to keep an eye on him.
> That's HOWE COME the dog will do that BEHIND YOUR BACK.
> > When he goes to chew on something you don't want,
> > distract him
> BRIEFLY, and INSTANTLY PRAISE for 5-15 seconds and
> allow the pup to CONTINUE as he chooses.
> > then give him a toy he can chew on.
> NO. THAT'S HOWE COME YOU CAN'T TRAIN THE PUP.
> HE NEEDS TO THINK OF AND ATTEMPT THE BEHAVIOR
> UNTIL IT'S FULLY EXTINGUISHED THRU REPEATED
> SUCCESSIVE SUCCESSFULLY DISTRACTED AND PRAISED
> BRIEF VARIABLE INTERRUPTIONS AND THE FREEDOM TO
> THINK IT THROUGH TILL EXTINCTION.
> Too bad you're a phd... marcel the clown... you add a new
> dimension to STUPID.
> > Once he starts chewing, praise him.
> NO. That's IDIOCY. The dog has been taken away from
> the problem BEFORE HE CAN LEARN not to DO IT!
> > Eventually he will learn that he gets rewards from
> > chewing on his toys.
> "Oh well, another 19 months and maybe he'll have
> outgrown his chewing."
> BWWWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
> That's HOWE COME the "EXXXPERTS" tell you to lock
> the dog in a box.
> > With Moogli, it took about a month and a half of this
> > before he learned not to chew on shoes.
> Takes The Puppy Wizzzard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
> Training Method Students bout WON DAY to do THAT.
> > Now there is only once or twice a week
> > that he wanders around the apartment
> > with a shoe in his mouth.
> BWWWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
> GOOD LUCK, marcel the goddamnedest freakin most
> stupidest most undeservedly arrogant mealy mouthed
> doubletalking lying dog abusing Punk Thug Coward
> Psycholown in town...
> BWWAAHJAJAJAJAJAAA!!! \
> > Marcel
And THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy
Wizard goes: "BWEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!}
LIKE THIS:
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
Subject changed: Doggy Do Right?
40 From: Marcel Beaudoin
Date: Thurs, Feb 13 2003 12:14 pm
Email: "Marcel Beaudoin" <m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
"Jayne" <J...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> So what's the story here. Excuse my ignorance, I'm new here. Is this a
> endorsed and reliable form of training and does it work for puppy's?
In addition to what the above posters have said, he states that "A
dog
is a dog". That is not true. Even in my (admittedly limited)
experience
with dogs, I know that you may have to take different approaches with
different dogs.
Some dogs catch onto training very quickly, some dogs take
longer. Some dogs catch everything, some dogs are good with
everything but cannot be trusted off a leash.
Personally, I have tried (with disastrous results) to engage
Mr Howe in a conversation about the merits of his training
program and why it is better/worse than what others propose.
It degenerates VERY quickly into name calling. I haven't
read any of his posts in a while, but I think I am Marcel
the clown. Actually, I am kinda disappointed in that. With
others he has gotten MUCH more imaginative.
Others in here have also tried the same thing, with the same results.
If you happen to disagree with him, you become, depending
on the day, a thug, a dog abuser, and various other people.
Now while I have lied a coulpe of times (I swear, I don't
know what happened to the chocolate cake!!)
I have never abused my dog.
As for the training techniques themselves in WETS, I am not
a trainer, so I cannot comment on that, only repeat what was
told to me when I asked this question several months ago.
Some of the techniques he has "borrowed" from established
training methods (without a reference or credit) and may
work.
The others, no one knows where they came from. People in
this group have offered to go to see him with a dog to get
it trained, or invited him down to their school to train a
dog. No response at all.
The people in this group love dogs. If his training system
worked, you can bet that someone in this group would have
ried it and found it worked.
Marcel
From: Marcel Beaudoin -
Date: Wed, Jan 15 2003 8:58 am
Email: "Marcel Beaudoin" <mbeaud...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Hey. I would provide your cats with a place that your pup
can't get to. That way they have a place to hide when it
gets to stressful for them. Also, maybe it will take a
swat or two for your pup to learn when to stop.
AFter enough repetitions of Hiss, Swat, OW!!!, he will
learn to back off after the hiss,knowing that the swat
is coming.
No magic box will help you with this.
As for your pup screaming, is your pup crate-trained??
--
Marcel Beaudoin
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---------------
You mean LIKE THIS, marcel the imbecile idiot liar
dog abuser quasi pimp whoremonerin ***ual Sadist?:
Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue,
Animal Commissioner Brevard Co FL, writes:
I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it has helped
my dogs and cats. I do think your product is a valuable tool in
helping with aggression and other behavior problems. I am in Feral
Cat Network (we spay and neuter approximately 100 feral cats a
month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog obedience club,
member of a local AKC agility club, president of Pet Rescue, board
member of the Alliance for Careand Welfare of Animals (on the board
are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from AKC dog club, CFA cat
club, assistant County manager, head of animal control, director of
two different shelters, etc.).
Thanks, Elaine,
Elaine, Desiree, and Margaret (their posts below) have
posted publicly, and have been verified as true, independent,
entities belonging to the organizations quoted in their texts below.
The "Reward For Doggy Do Right Owners" offered by DW
has been PAID to Margaret. Your pal marquis de "read
koehler for content" shaw reneged on paying his reward, as
expected. But in the process he DID verify Elaine McClung
as a real person.
Desiree (New Leash), is a member of the Space Cats
Rescue in Melbourn, FL. She wrote me after using Doggy
Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) for just TWO DAYS. She'd
borrowed it from Elaine, but Elaine called her back and
asked her to return it A.S.A.P., because she needed it to
keep her problem cat from bullying the others. Her post
wasn't sent as an endorsement, it was just her private email to me:
"I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until
Tuesday Morning. I was certainly pleased with
the night effect. I wasn't so sure about the
amount of the day time effect. Until I took it
back. Within half an hour, the monsters had
resurfaced. I wondered if I could break into
Elaine's house and if she would notice :)"
Hi Jerry, (update 10/31/00)
Teddy, my friend, with the very alpha male Siamese cat re****ts all
is well. She has been running DDR for well over a week now and JR
has not beaten up on any of the other cats. Gillie the smallest
female cat was living in the bathroom and JR was attacking her
every day.
Teddy forgot to close the bathroom door the second day she had the
DDR and came home to good news "no hair all over the room." Now
she is leaving the bathroom door open all the time and JR has not
attacked Gillie.
Gillie used to be able to sleep with Teddy on the bed but JR got
soooo....bad he would almost maul her if she came into the bedroom.
Teddy told me that yesterday Gillie came into the bedroom and JR
just looked at her and ignored her.
Teddy is so grateful as she was considering putting JR outside or
having him euthanized. Will update you in another week or so.
Thanks, Elaine
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Dear Jerry-
I just wanted to let you know how wonderful your Doggy Do
Right product is. I was skeptical at first, but have been
tremendously pleased.
As you know, we had a neighbor's dog that was extremely
bothersome, at times barking loudly for 3 hours straight.
Within a few days, the barking decreased, and now it is just
the occasional bark. this dog lives approximately 500 feet
away, and even at that distance, the machine has done wonders.
You were always available and patient to answer my
questions, and now I can be in my own home without going
nuts from the barking. As an added pleasure, all the other
minor barking nuisances in the neighborhood have stopped
as well.
Quiet is wonderful! Thank you.
Pam Graves
UPDATE (3/4/01): Pam called and mentioned HOWE thrilled she was
when the yapper that's been driving her to her wits' end stopped
his barking jag in EIGHTEEN SECONDS when she turned the machine
on. No wonder our friends here don't want to believe me... I'd
been saying Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) can stop a barking
dog in twenty seconds, heh, heh, heh.
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Apr 25, 05:59 PM
Margaret Hoffman
Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe
I just recently looked at this newsgroup and I found it
incredible. I do have a Doggy Do Right and have had it for
about one year. It truly does work - at least on my Dobe,
Chelsea. Chelsea was the unhappy recipient of several failed
attempts at obedience training, both in a "class" environment
and with a personal trainer. She is very high spirited and
strong and, unfortunately, spoiled, since we are an older
couple who doted on our dog. We were lucky enough to find Jerry
Howe and to not only buy a Doggy Do Right, but to also have him
personally work with Chelsea.
His methods are wonderful and effective. Chelsea is not a dog
that you will bully, and I wouldn't dream of hurting her. After
Jerry spent time with her, she no longer jumped on furniture,
ate food off the counter, pulled me incessantly on the leash.
She is calmer and we are all happier. Well, it is a very long
story and I won't bore you with all the details, but suffice it
to say that Jerry Howe saved the day for our dog and for us.
Marge Hoffman
P.S. You can send me the reward money, but
I won't sell you my DDR!
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Hi Jerry,
Well, we have been running Doggy Do Right for awhile (3 weeks)
now and would appear that it is working. We are still on the
lowest setting but my cat aggressive dog is now much calmer
with the little fur balls getting near her. Not perfect but
much improved! I do think that you need a more universal name
as it appears to have drastically cut the spraying problem down
that we have with our crowded cat situation. I am going to send
an e-mail to Domesti-Cats club, Feral Cat Network and Space
Cats Club as a lot of the members have some of the same
problems with their cats. It has also lessened the number of
nightly cat fights.
Thanks, Elaine
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Hi,
Lowest setting to us is when the machine is on the least number
of times during the day. We are going to try putting it on the
next setting and see if that will completely solve our
problems. We are holding our breath at this point on the
spraying and hoping that BIOSOUND continues to work. Will let
you know. Yes, feel free to use my post. If you sell to people
with cat spray problems though you might want to recommend that
they do what we did.
We went through the house with BacTerminator an enzyme product
that eats the cat urine. We have used Bac T. for a long time
and it usually only slows them down for a week or two, so I
know it is the BIOSOUND that has created the success we are
seeing right now. We were resigned to constant cleaning and
even then it was difficult to keep up with. I don't know if you
have forgotten but we have 19 cats.
Elaine.
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Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue, Animal
Commissioner Brevard Co FL, writes:
Hi Jerry,
I received email from Mark Shaw on 10/6 which I just read today.
Sorry I didn't have time to get to it sooner. We have had a lot
going on in our area concerning animals. We formed a new Task
Force to address spay/neuter, pet overpopulation and animal
abuse. I needed to do a lot of research before the first meeting
and time was just not available for anything else.
Anyway the letter went on to say that we are in collusion, I tried
to defraud him, and have sent none of the materials that he has
asked for although he has yet to furnish the P. O. Box number that
he wanted them sent to in the first place. He goes on to state that
I am no longer eligible for the "fictions reward." All of this is in
answer to postings that prove I was "sharing" his email with you
which in his opinion was a breach of good manners. His email only
had terms and conditions of the reward which I would consider
"public information."
Be that as it may, I would like to state that you had my permission
to post any email I have sent you regarding DDR including this email.
I'm very sorry that you have to put up with this type of situation
from someone that obviously never intended to make good on his
reward offer in the first place.
I had a call from a friend of mine with a very aggressive cat. I
have loaned her my DDR for a few weeks to see if it will calm JR
down. I will let you know the results. She goes to the same holistic
vet that I go to and he is also interested.
In case Mark does post to the list again I would like to say that I
do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it has helped
my dogs and cats. I have entirely too much to do, to worry about his
opinions or reward.
The only reason I was willing to apply for the reward was on your
behalf as I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with
aggression and other behavior problems.
I am in Feral Cat Network (we spay and neuter approximately 100
feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog
obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president of
Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of
Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep.
from AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County manager, head of
animal control, director of two different shelters, etc.) and Space
Coast Feline Network http://www.spacecoastfelinenet
work.com
I listed these not to be on an ego trip but to let Mark know that I
am involved with animals and have very little time to play games
with him also I would not recommend your product if I did not
believe in it.
Please feel free to post this email as it has no
copyright on it as did Mark Shaw's last email to me.
Take care Jerry and don't let the Mark's of the
world get you down.
Elaine
Thank you, Elaine. I have been trying to educate the
mark's of this world, with some occasional successes.
I guess that's variable reinforcement?
Yours, Jerry.
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From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
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Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
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I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
"The day may come when the rest of
the animal creation
may acquire those right
which never could have been withholden from them
but by the hand of tyranny.
The question is not can they REASON,
nor can they TALK,
but can they SUFFER?" -
- Jeremy Bentham
ANY QUESTIONS, People?
"Ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you mad." -
~Aldous Huxley.
All Truth P***** Through Three Stages.
First, It Is Ridiculed.
Second, It Is Violently Opposed.
Third, It Is Accepted As Being Self-Evident
-Arthur Schopenhauer-
"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.
"If you've got them by the balls their
hearts and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.
"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
"Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"
-Friedrich Schiller.
INDEEDY.
AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!
In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours
The WORLD'S CRUELEST Trainer,
Jerry Howe,
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Director of Research,
Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
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