HOWEDY Klaus,
HOWEDY Rusty~!
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Nov 8, 1:23 pm, diddy <none> wrote:
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spoke these words of wisdom in
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> > Have been secluded in the Australian desert for several months, beyond
> > internet/civilisation. Just dog Rusty and me and an ancient typewriter
> > that hurt my hands and taxed the old brain hammering together
> > my new website.
>
> How do you create a website by typewriter?
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Hi diddy, if you plan lots of text for a website, it usually has to be
written down first. And if you are at a location without power supply
to charge batteries, then you've got to it by hand or typewriter. See?
True - for clever people like you I should have phrased it better.
Greetings to diddy - Klaus
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Here's a bit of "CLEVER DIDDLER'S" own POSTED CASE HISTORY:
HOWEDY diddler you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
animal murderin punk thug coward active accute chronic
life long incurable malignant mental case and backyard
puppy miller and professional dog training FRAUD an
SCAM ARTIST,
"diddy" <none> wrote in message
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> "S.Smith" <sasmith39@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spoke these words of wisdom in
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>> Has anyone tried Don Sullivan's Dog Training?
don sullivan is a dog abusin coward, like yourself, diddler <{}: ~ ( >
>> I have used PetSmart puppy cl*****
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>> and have tried BarkBusters.
They're another dog abusin SCAM like
diddler an janet an company<{}: ~ ( >
>> Both have been minimally effective.
SEE??
>> I have a mini Schnauzer that is now 11 mos. old. As a
>> puppy, he has been very ADD. He has calmed down a
>> fair amount the past few months.
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving
Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of
Doggys.
>> I saw Don Sullivan on TV and checked out his web site.
>> It looks like it may work to change my puppy to being a
>> normal member of the family.
That's INSANE.
>> Compared to what I have paid so far, his program seems
>> reasonable. My training costs so far have run me almost
>> $700 and I am frustrated with the results.
Naaaah??
"diddy" <none> wrote in message
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> spoke these words of wisdom
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> The shock is minimal and nothing to worry about. There are 2
> different types that frequent this group: the high falutin city folk
> that believe dogs should be treated like children, and the answer
> for any problem is "enroll them in class and spend $300 to teach
> them not to do it, and put them in time-out, but be sure their paw
> socks are on before stepping outside if under 50 degrees, etc."
First, I know of a dog with an antibark collar, who
protested so violently, he spazzed out and killed himself.
He was found dead in his kennel the next morning.
What dog training schools charge $300?
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PERHAPS the kind that actually TRAINS dogs
withHOWET MURDERIN THEM like HOWE
you done, diddler:
Subject: Re: untrainable beagle! NEED HELP
"diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "graham fandango!"<gmey...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled the
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> i have a ten year old beagle who i got from the animal shelter 5
> years ago. its pretty clear he was abused in some form before he
> ended up in the shelter; when ever i reach for something, like the
> tv remote, too quickly he flinches. he gets scared when i sweep
> the kitchen floor and hides under the bed.
I have one too. I don't know her past history, or her age.
I use an antibark collar on her for my sanity. She's very
quiet, until I take it off. It doesn't train her not to bark,
because she barks when the collar is off. (beagles "Do
that")
There may not even be batteries in it, but she doesn't
bark... just in case.I'd supervise the first time you try
it, because I've heard of some dogs barking, and going
so spazzy over them that they died.
I really don't think you are going to train a dog that
age, especially a beagle, NOT to bark. I see your
options as being:
1) anti-bark collar
a)citronella
b)electronic
c)bark buster (your neighbors will
probably complain asmuch about
that as the howlng)
2) surgical debarking
3) placing the dog and accepting the consequences
4) moving
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>> Much of the methods I was taught such treat rewards
>> are not used with Don Sullivan's program.
THAT'S the ONLY thing sullivan got RIGHT:
Withholding rewards can cause aggression,
seizures, phobias of all sorts and OCD'S.
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVERY LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
how we escape the phenomenon that an expected reward not
received is experienced as a punishment and can produce
extensive and persistent aggression," (Azrin et al, 1966).
Witholding rewards increases anxiety which would
increase the behavior or cause the dog to throw
mindless meaningless unthinking random behaviors
to elicit the treat.
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
>> I would like to hear any comments some may have.
>> Petey's Mom
Seems Petey's mom is a glutton for PUNISHMENT <{}: ~ ( >
> I have not tried Don Sullivan's Dog Training. I never felt the need to.
diddler means she NEVER HEARD OF IT <{}: ~ ( >
> A trained dog is a combination of many basic factors.
Oh, INDEEDY~!
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dog trainer must succeed. By nature, "Command" mentality
makes dog trainers a curmudgeonly lot. The deeper a dog
behavior digs in, the more willing a good trainer is to do
what it takes to uproot the undesired behavior.
This willingness to tackle what results in a battle of wills
is well pronounced in dog trainers. And if you think that's
something, try horse trainer lists, where the ante is upped X
1000 pounds and poor results can KILL you!
However, "nice little horsey " types are rarely successful
in horse training and rather self extingui****ng bringing
about more moderation in established techniques.
BWEEEAAAAHAHAAA~!
diddler, the ****-stain, scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated cir***stances.
A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.
I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Extinction is best facilitated by increasing excitation or
DRIVE and briefly alternately (e.g. randomly presented
non physical) distracion instantly followed by prolonged
(5-15 seconds and intermittently thereafter) non physical
praise before the action is manifest and resume repeating
the process till you've successively - successfully conditioned
the subject's ability to NOT engage that THOUGHT through
NON fulfillment <{}: ~ ) >
> Consistancy in sending the message of what is expected of the puppy.
That so, diddler?
You mean, LIKE THIS?:
diddler, the ****-stain, scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
"Cappy the beagle killed one of my ducklings today.
Tuck grabbed a leg, and swallowed a leg and thigh
before I could get him.
a month ago, he almost died from swallowing a
chicken wing. Now I'm sweating all over again.
I think he's never going to be allowed out ever
again without a muzzle! (he seems alright thus far.
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
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Subject: Re: Tuck's SAR experience
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I just came in from putting chickens to bed, and Tuck
had my computer keyboard on the floor, and there are
now two keys missing.
Ornery git
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
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"diddy" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Janet B <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled
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> Curious how many choose to crate a dog forever,
> whenever they leave the house and/or overnight,
> or how many choose to wean from household
> crate usage (usage being shutting the dog in the
> crate, not the dog choosing to hang out there) at
> some specific ages or maturity levels.
> Not for how long during a workday, but how
> long for a dog's lifespan?
I plan on crating Tuck whenever NOT supervised
(which isn't often.. he usually is with me) Until the
day that he quits tearing apart everything in sight
when I leave the room.
A dog proof room doesn't work.
He's figured out door knobs. He's figured out cupboards,
and he loves to tug open dresser drawers. He's not
interested in anything left out in the open.
He's into treasure hunting, figuring anything worth
secreting away is worth his effort discovering. He's
discovered the sock stash is in drawers.
Trash cans? --not interested.
Counter tops? --not interested
Counter tops -with food? --not interested
Dog food sitting on the floorin open bags? --not interested
razor blades from bathroom drawers? ... Very cool stuff!
Mom really gets bent too!
nope.. His crate is going to be occupied for
some time to come.
As for the beagle.. She's never been trustworthy.
She's getting senile and never will be trustworthy,
so a crate is in her future until she crosses the bridge.
Reka, no crate at no time, She lost her crate when she was
5 months old. Both Tuck, and reka hangout in crates by choice.
Reka dens in the bathtub usually. (kind of a crate) But she
likes the beagles vantage point, because the beagles crate
is on top of Tuck's. Right next to the window so she can see
out. Tuck prefers the compartment with a view as well.
I always have to vacate him (even though the crate on top is
too small for both elkhounds, it's their preferred lookout)
when I wantto stick in the beagle.
Reka sleeps under the bed at night or in the bathtub at night
if it's really hot. She sleeps in the bathtub by day when not
watching from the penthouse suite.
Tuck is not crated at night, and has chosen to sleep in
the closet. The beagle holds down the couch, night and day.
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
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> "diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Taya had eaten over 5 POUNDS of summer sausage!
>> I just had to laugh, because otherwise, I'd have cried.
>
> is taya an elkie? no point in crying over ingested summer sausage
> is what my mom used to say. did she get the runs?
Taya IS a 1/2 a cup a day for food elkie. When i told mom and dad
that she ate 5 POUNDS, we all marveled, my goodness! Where did she
put it all!
She went to the emergency vet clinic last night in a snowstorm
along 60 miles of ice slick roads, & blowing snow. The price
wasn't bad $120 but she had pancreatitis.
Crap, I should have induced vomiting when I realized it had happened.
Going from a regular diet of ounces in a day to 5 pounds
was bound to cause problems!
She seemed fine at the time, and I didn't think about it.
It could have been worse. There was NO fat in those summer sausages,
because they were homemade. No greasy texture, and much better than
any you buy. Because there was no fat, I had figured pancreatits
wasn't going to be a factor.
Wrong again.
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
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Re: Just scheduled blood test--Zipper too
"diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Seems to me, that should be a standard question for
> any pet having any problems at this time.
I took Tuck in last Wednesday to the vets because two weeks
before, he had chewed some old treated lumber. Knowing that
treated lumber used to be treated with Arsenic, and he ate a
substantial amount, I took him into the emergency clinic and
they treated him for arsenic poisoning.
A week later, he still had a raw stomach, esophagus and stomach
(revealed by endoscopy). He was treated with buffers, and antibiotics
to prevent infection of the inflamed tissues. Wednesday, still not
right, but improving, I took him back in for a recheck.
The first thing the vet did, was ask what foods I was feeding.
Which I understood why, but felt considering his current history,
was rather a unnecessary question. I felt we pretty much knew
what was going on with him.
Since he was greatly improved, we decided not to do another
endoscopy and just watch him. He's 100% back to normal.
Hope Cali is too.
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
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diddy (d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Oh My God
Date: 2002-01-16 13:39:59 PST
Two nights ago, Reka started acting frantic about 11pm.
I let her out. It's coyote breeding season, and she is
fascinated by them. I assumed she wanted to go out and
listen to them howling. I brought her in, and she spent
the night franticly and desperately demanding to go out.
After about 4am, I finally put her in the barn, locked
securely in a horse stall for the night.
She came in by morning, and had a normal active, playful
day. Last night, at 11pm, She franticly DEMANDED to go
out. I let her out, and brought her in. At midnight, she
DEMANDED to be let out. I let her out, but I went out
to the barn and got a crate, and decided she could
spend the rest of the night in the crate. We were NOT
going to do a repeat of the previous night AGAIN.
At 3am, she whined so loudly, I then decided not to
allow her to set a precedence of this type of behavior.
So I took her crate out to the heated gun shop and
decided to let her act out her bad behavior in peace,
and send a message that her obnoxious behavior
was not going to be tolerated.
This morning at 6am, I went out, and she had vomited
(normal looking dog food) and defecated in her crate
(not normal for Reka, but then, She normally didn't
sleep in a crate, NEVER gets corrected (she never does
anything to GET corrected for) and was probably nerves
from the outside experience, plus reprimand and solitary
confinement.
I let her in the house while I cleaned the cage. Hoping
I had made my point. She acted healthy and normal, and
playful and chipper. But then I noticed a spot of blood on
the bathroom linoleum and in the bathtub. I was the last to
take a bath, so I knew REKA was the last in the tub.
That blood didnt come from me, so it HAD to come from
Reka. Thinking about her nearing the end of her heat cycle,
I still didnt think a lot about it. I thought her obnoxious
behavior the past couple nights WAS her heat cycle..
and corresponding coyote breeding season.
Then while feeding her breakfast, I saw the whole story.
She had blood (fresh) streaming from her RECTUM. UhOh.
I had her at the vets office this morning before he
opened. He just said her intestines were all bunched
up with huge air pockets.
Was there any chance that she ate strings of carpets? I
said, last Thursday we took a plastic tarp out of the yard
that we had over the grill to protect it from the weather
because she was chewing it. That would explain
EVERYTHING.
The strings are binding and bunching up her intestines,
cutting her internally and tying her intestines in knots as
it works its way through.
Reka is in a very critical situation. She is going to
require extensive and expensive surgery that I cant
afford. I will manage.
Even with the surgery, her condition will be critical
for awhile. Scary thoughts. I would never have
treated her the way I did last night, if I had even a
clue that she was sick. I feel so badly.
--
diddy
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS:
"diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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dogs aren't into beer that much. But they sure love Horse poop!
From: diddy <none>
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:00:29 -0600
Subject: And then there were......
I was prepared a few hours ago to post there were now
only two dogs. But after a trip to the Dayton Emergency
clinic, we are now only $200 poorer and brought home a
very torb'ed up beagle.
We estimate the beagle to be about 14.
This morning she had severe abdominal distress. Pacing,
whining, and crippling spasm, accompanied with the most
pitiful moans and groans you ever heard.
My husband said, if it's serious (LOOK HERE.. ANY PAIN OF
THAT MAGNITUDE IS SERIOUS!) we weren't going to fix it,
we would simply put her down. But she got out yesterday, and
indulged in a buffet of horse meadow muffins.
She may be impacted, and it might pass.
I told him she's in pain, and transient or not, we
have to do something about the pain while we
wait to see if the issue resolves or not.
So the vet said, if you aren't fixing it. Let's juice her
up on Torbugesic, healthy doses of antibiotics, with reglan
to move things along. We just treated everything. So if
there is improvement, we will assume fixable. If not.. I
will write that "And then there were two" post.
to be continued.....
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
> Adequate exercise so the puppy can settle down and focus.
diddler and her MENTAL CASE PALS EXXXCESSIVELY
EXXXORCISE their fear aggressive hyperactive dogs to
EXXXPIATE their hyperactive behaviors CAUSED BY jerkin
chokin an shockin an lockin them in boxes and spraying aversives
into their faces and IGNORING their cries <{}: ~ ( >
> Adequate mental stimulation so the puppy doesn't get bored
Bored dogs SLEEP <{}: ~ ( >
> and chase his own agenda.
Oh? Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS?:
diddler, the ****-stain, scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
Subject: Re: teaching dogs "jobs"
(They were taught NEVER EVER to step on a road.... No
foot EVER touches the road!) Danny lost a tracking test once,
because the test crossed a seldom used gravel road. When he
reached the road, a car just happened to go by. He refused to
cross the road, and when I took him by the collar and ****ged
him, I was Disqualified for aiding the dog.
Danny simply will NOT cross a road..
when he was intact, not EVEN for a ***** in season.
Now you have a dog that...
WHOOOOPS!
Whoops, Danny And Taya run away from
unsecured yard and imbecile owner BUT
CAREFULLY AVOID CROSSIN A ROAD.
Will they survive life out in the wilderness
out amongst diddler's coyote traps?
Will they get mistaken for coyotes and sold
to the highest bidder at the fur auction?
Or will they live again to do a help dummy diddy
do a demonstration on safe and responsible pet
owner****p in the kitchen with the vet's office kitten?
Stay tuned, fans...
From: diddy <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 11:27:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Dog Shot, Neighbor Charged, Anchorage AK
Cate wrote:
> "Jeff Harper" <dummyaddr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> > | My husband shot a dog that had been tearing up
> > | trash up and down our road for years making an
> > | unbelievable mess. When we finally killed the
> > | culprit, the whole road cheered. Animal control
> > | had never been able in years to catch this critter.
> > | (we think it was feral it was certainly unkempt
> > | enough to have been....and it had been shot at by
> > | MANY of the neighbors, but it never frightened
> > | it off enough to keep it from NOT tearing up the
> > | road the next trash day)
>
> > Y'all take killing dogs pretty lightly. I'd have tolerated
> > the trash problem before I would have killed the dog.
>
> No kidding.
>
> > But putting up with it wouldn't have been necessary.
> > The trash could have been better secured and the
> > problem would have been resolved.
>
> Yep. Where's the condemnation of the people not
> securing their trash. Especially since, IIRC, this is
> the country we're talking about.
> Cate
They were in the standard Rumpke plastic
waste containers they MUST be in.
If you are upset I advise you to keep your dogs at home.
As i repeated before, the time Danny and Taya got loose,
for all the dangers they faced out there, cars, disease,
coyotes, etc, the most immediate danger they were in,
was being shot.
This is why I immediately started canvassing the area
with full color door to door handouts emblazoned with
REWARD. DO NOT SHOOT these dogs across the top.
I knew every second they were loose, they were in grave
danger of being shot. At that time, Our dog pound was
on 20/20 for being one of the worst in the country (it's
not now, it's a modern model facility) i WANTED my
dogs there.
It meant they weren't out there being shot.
They would throw dogs in pens of 10-20 dogs, In spite
of the dirt and filth, if they got there, I had a chance of
recovery.
Roaming in this area is a very bad thing,
and people WILL shoot dogs.
Happens all the time.
If you like your dog, you keep it home.
A persons personal animals are more valueable to
them than your animal you don't think enough of to
keep at home.
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
From: diddy
(di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: What would you do in this situation?
Date: 2002-05-31 14:49:22 PST
Actually, I borrowed the vets office kitten once for a
couple days for school education on pet care and safe
handling as well as responsible pet owner****p.
I kept the kitten over night in a crate within a crate
and yet my dog (yes, Angelic Danny, as well as Taya
and Toby tore that kittne to threads from between the
crate bars. (apparently he stuck his paws through the
crate to bat at the dogs. I was out doing yard work
and rushed in to find the little kittens pieces and
parts being torn through by ALL the dogs.
I called my girl friend to come get my dogs. I screamed
displeasure, and stalked out with the kitten. Danny, et
al spent 3 days in a kennel until I finally felt like I
could interact with them without doing bodily harm. All
three dogs were never touched, but knew they had done
something so unspeakable that I wouldn't associate with
them and they got banished.
To this day, Taya (mom and Dad's dog) and Danny will
not look at a cat. When confronted with one, Danny wees
himself and cowers hiding behind me for help.
I'm not saying this would work this way with all dogs,
But mom and dad now have a house cat, and she has
never been harmed by any of the dogs. Danny is there
all the time, unsupervised, and has no interest in harming
the cat.
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OR you could just BLUDGEON a innocent defenseless
kitty kat after HURTIN IT in your strangle leg hold noose
trap.
LIKE THIS:
From: diddy (di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: cats : Crating/Caging: What constitutes abuse?
Date: 2002-08-23 09:18:08 PST
Lyn wrote:
> > You know I'm a cat abuser because I let my cat out.
> > Alison
>
> Well, it totally depends upon where you live, as to whether
> or not doing so is in the best interest of your animal.
> Abuser isn't a term I would use, and I am a "cat group"
> regular.
Here it would be abuse. If you like your cat you keep it
home. I run a state authorized and monitored nuisance
animal trapline.
This morning there was a cat in a snare. Ordinarily,
an animal caught in a snare can be released unharmed.
One of the animals I am targeting is coyotes (and the
complaint was that coyotes were killing area cats)
Duh.. If your cats are becoming lunch for wild animals,
to me .. It makes sense to keep your cats in where they
can't become lunch.. whatever.
Regarding this cat in the snare. It went nuts. It leaped,
and tangled itself, and most certainly strangulated it's
intestines. It had the snare pulled tight down to the
diameter of a dime (just large enough to encircle the
spine) around the waist area.
This cats snarled, and attacked. Trying to extricate this cat
was exceedingly difficult, not to mention dangerous. Because
I feared damage to the intestines and death of the gut, I
imagined this cat was not likely to survive.
It would have been much simpler to dispatch the unfortunate
cat and take out the dead body. Instead, this cat wore a
collar. it deserved a chance, and the owner deserved closure.
(no id on the collar).
It escaped, just as I released it and it couldn't be taken to
the vet for examination. I will probably never know if this
particular cat survives the experience or not.
People in the area were aware that trapping was being done and
apparently still let their cats run free, b oth endangered by
the traps and by the coyotes being targeted that are causing a
problem with their cat population.
Had that cat not been wearing a collar, I would not have tried
to release this hostile cat. Releasing it may not have been a
kindness, but then... cats weren't supposed to be attracted to
this type of trap, in this position, and then they weren't
supposed to go ape, to get themselves in this situation.
If you like your pet, you keep them home.
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Unless of curse, you got some EXXXTRA ammo left
over from last year. Then you could just SHOOT them.
diddler wrote:
"I was in that position once when Becky was hit
by a car when my son left the yard gate open."
From diddy <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:43:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Rural person needs help euthanizing his loving pet.
I think sedating her with benedryl until she was overly sleepy, and
injecting her with Epsom salts IV should cause such chemical
imbalance that it should do the trick.
I'm not sure how humane that would be, It would cause a heart attack.
Well placed gun shots are probably the most immediate, effective and
humane, but then, you said that was not acceptable. Carbon dioxide is
NOT humane.. it's slow and agonizing as the other g***** in car
exhaust burn out the lungs causing agonizing death.
----------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
diddy wrote:
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> We have a beagle. Before we got our last one,
> we knew what to expect and spent a year re-enforcing
> the fence.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> What we did.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> Double fencing, hardware cloth lined on the inside.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> Wood ties under gates.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> A chicken wire apron extending out into the yard
> 12 inches.(hog ringed to the upright fencing).
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> We chose chicken wire because it was flexible
> and ground conforming. grass grows right over
> it, making it invisible and easy to mow over.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> It's tacked down by tent stakes every 10 inches.
> (this is our most considerable investment)
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> The problems with it is that it eventually disintegrates,
> rusts, pulls apart and need repair a lot.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> We placed tile blocks over the top, because
> the tent stakes stick up, and sometimes get
> hit by the lawnmower.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> Overall, it's a pretty decent system and works
> MOST of the time.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> The beagle is persistent, and tends to work the inner
> fencing, that's flimsy down, or tear it, making exit holes.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> We recently cut down a couple yard trees that broke
> down sections of the fence and they need re-enforcement.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> When the weather breaks, a whole new fence is
> in order, but the system works MOST of the time.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> We did install an underground perimeter E-fence
> at the fence line, and found a single strand 12 inch
> high electric cattle fence around the perimeter was
> just as effective, cheaper, less bothersome (no need
> to wear heavy e-collars.. especially that mess up coats),
> but both needed occassional maintenence.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> What we did.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> I admit our system fails occassionally, especially
> when snow drifts are over the top of the fences
> and erase any identifiable fenceline.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> We installed (BEFORE getting the beagle) a 100
> foot trolly line that crosses the yard.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> This is a safe, effective restraint system that has
> always worked when immediate repairs or extra
> security is desired.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> If I go away and leave the beagle outside. He goes
> to the trolly line, whether the containment system
> is currently working or not.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> It's great for emergency situations, and the $17 last
> resort system gets used for the beagle far more than
> I ever expected. It still allows reasonable exercise
> range of area and mobility. The elkhounds and the
> beagle still play avidly, and it's the cheapest piece of
> mind security ever.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> A trolly tether system is the best for tem****ary
> containment while discovering where the leak is.
> In the snow, it's easy to discover the
> leak. In the summer, it's more difficult.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> I do not like, or use our current underground collar system
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
---------------
SEE?
> Proper socialization that promotes a dog's skills and
> confidence levels in himself as he relates to humans
> and other animals in his environment.
Oh, INDEEDY~!
Here's diddler "TRAININ" her neighbor's dog to stay
HOWETA her garbage and CURING his peritonitis:
From: diddy (di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Dog Shot, Neighbor Charged, Anchorage AK
I guess if I felt Danny was threatened, it's the way I would react.
There would be none left standing to deal with the threat just in
case.
If someone hurt him, I would not let borders or
continents stop me from pursuing justice.
Then again, I always feed Danny INSIDE. If someone is feeding
his dog outside, his own dog might not mean THAT much to him.
If he was feeding his dog outside though, many dogs are food
aggressive, and that could most certainly spark a dog aggression
thing. (and if the dog was penned quietly outside, what was it
doing in his yard?)
I shot a neighbors dog one night for chasing my horses and called
him to help me find it. I would do the same for threatening my dog.
My husband shot a dog that had been tearing up trash up and down
our road for years making an unbelievable mess. When we finally
killed the culprit, the whole road cheered. Animal control had never
been able in years to catch this critter. (we think it was feral it
was certainly unkempt enough to have been....and it had been shot
at by MANY of the neighbors, but it never frightened it off enough
to keep it from NOT tearing up the road the next trash day)
---------------
SEE??
> It's difficult to develop consistency without
> a trained eye pointing out your errors.
diddler is a PROFESSIONAL OBEDIENCE TRAINER <{}: ~ ) >
> PetSmart is acceptable for those calm dogs that naturally
> have no real expectations by their owners and generally
> are just easy.
THAT'S INSANE. pest mart relies on bribery and avoidance
and when THAT FAILS they HURT the dog *(but NOT on
company pupperty) <{}: ~ ( >
> Unfortunately, many dogs don't fit in that mold.
THAT'S INSANE:
From: "Dr. Von" <drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 12 Sep 2005 10:52:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Clicker Training for Dogs Newsgroups?
> > Hello, Does anyone know of a dedicated newsgroup for
> > positive-only dog training, in particular clicker training?
> > Thanks, Lucy
Jen wrote:
> I would love to know of one as well. If there was enough people
> interested maybe we could start one. I've just started clicker training
my
> dog and have been doing the positive training for a while now. I think
> it's great!! Jen "artbylucy" <artbyl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:OMudnRS23OLEc7zenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
your request for a positive only dog training list,
needs the same answer as I give the folk who ask why I
don't have a list for what I do with biofeedback.
The method is so simple, and if you adopt it and relate
to your dog in such a positive manner you won't have any
more problems and there is no need for any more technique.
With Puppies we Ph.D. psychologists have been outflanked
by the entirely practical and effective methods described
in his FREE manual. Free download, nothing sold, no
mailing list, no distribution of your name. Free sup****t if
needed.
With ADHD kids I provide similar information at
www.drbiofeedback.com and there is no need for
a list dealing with problems with kids. Apply
as directed and have happy healthy doggies or
kiddies.
Not difficult.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
P.S. jerk and choke, spanking, shocking, scruff shake,
choke, chin chucks, all those negatives, denial of
affection etc. are harmful, dranging, obscenities.
You might want to consider Pavlov's typology to
understand "hard and soft dogs" - essentially he
taught that there are outward and inward responding
organisms in weak and strong nervous systems and if
you grasp this firmly you'll shape your training
methods effectively.
Punishment ALWAYS deranges behavior, and so is
recommended and given only by deranged humans.
Of course, it doesn't matter if we are talking
dogs, cats, people, sheep, even husbands. Dr. Von
---------------------
Dr. Von wrote:
Unconditional Acceptance, Love, Approval are a positive
reinforcement of good feelings and reinforce groupness.
What your critics do not realize is that all free dogs live
in packs all heaped up together, touching each other closely,
or sniffing and barking happily or working tracking and
chasing down prey.
All loving groups are continually rewarding each
other with "good brother/sister" sounds and smells.
I can send you a bibliography of hundreds, nay,
thousands of papers which prove that scaring,
hurting, startling, demeaning, puni****ng animals
deranges behavior.
NEGATIVE means NO! Freshmen frequently make
the error that negative reinforcement is aversive
reinforcement, no, its NO reinforcement.
Aversive reinforcement includes choking, kicking,
biting, shocking, abrading, alpha rolling and other
sadistic behaviors. AVERSIVE reinforcement always
deranges behavior.
Neither paramecia nor dogs ever forget.
Dr. Von
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
From: "The Puppy Wizard"
To: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop
> From: "diannes" <dian...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Newsgroups:
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
> > LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > I wrote:
> > > > LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > > > On another note: I understand why someone proclaiming
> > > > > a method that works on all dogs, all the time, would send
> > > > > up "red flag" to you and others, but the fact remains, if a
> > > > > technique *doesn't* work 100% of the time, with all dogs,
> > > > > then there must be a flaw in the philosophy underlying that
> > > > > technique.
>
> > > > Ditto for dog training. No failure nor flaw of method is involved
-
> > > > that's just acceptance of reality.
>
> > > First of all, I didn't say that there was a flaw in the method,
> > > though anyone is welcome to make that leap.
>
> > > I said there was a flaw in the underlying philosophy and its
> > > model of learning.
>
> > Correction accepted. I think that perhaps we are using
> > terminology differently here. Here is my use of the terms:
Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.
> In order to use negative reinforcement, one must typically
> administer the aversive stimulus in order to be able to terminate it.
This is not negative reinforcement. Negative means no.
Positive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;
Negative reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;
Aversive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;
The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;
Escape conditioning = dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off .
There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? -- too aversive.
I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's ***ULATIVE
RECORD. Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.
NO PUNISHMENT.
Must pay attention to who is the animal?
His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog? So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.
I suppose I could wire up a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than
the methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.
Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.
Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.
You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.
Fondly, Dr. Von
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:
whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine you may find my resume
in Who's Who in Science and Technology I have been listed
in Who's Who in the S & SE USA since 1982, and in the big
books, Who's Who in the USA, WW in the World, WW in
Medicine etc, and WW in Science and Technology, since that date.
These are the Marquis Publications, the "real" WW, and
you can't get yourself into them.
--------------------
From: TooCool (larrym...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leader****p exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?).
--Larry
===============
"Paul B" <pand...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:3c2ae204@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
the manual has no dangerous suggestions at
all, people who find the manual useful are those that
don't need to control a dog to satisfy their own ego
but simply want a well behaved dog that is easy to
live with. I would suggest the people who follow the
advice in his manual are people who have already
tried other inefficient methods and are fed up with
the poor results.
The more I think about the methods he suggests the
more sense it makes, the biggest problem is people
believe they have to be in control of the dog, tell it
whats right and wrong, dogs don't understand
our values and I don't believe they are capable of
understanding them either, so to train them we use
methods they understand. That means abstract
training, doing sometimes what appears to
almost be the opposite of what makes sense to us.
If you are purely result orientated then you will not
find Jerry's manual much use, if you love your dogs
and love to work WITH them then his manual is
your dream come true. Distraction and praise works
with any dog, when you sit back and really think about
it, it's very obvious why.
When a dog is properly distracted (and praised) of a
particular behaviour then that behaviour very quickly
becomes unfulfilling so the dog will no longer have any
interest in pursuing it, whether we are about or not,
thats the key to stopping garbage can raids and food
stealing etc etc, no force, no bad dog, just distracting it
in an appropriate manner that it no longer wishes to
pursue that behaviour.
Better than hiding the garbage can eh?
Paul
Disciple Paulie Sez:
"No One Understands How Wits End Training Really
Works, They Assume It's All Nicey Nicey And don't
Realise It's A Very Disciplined Method That Deals With
Any Situation And The Foundation Is Built On Trust
And Understanding.
I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell them
they are good dogs and they seem to follow me, once
I told them they were bad dogs and they ran away from
me, now I only ever tell them they are good dogs and
they always are, always.
Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say "good
dog" sincerely at the end of the request and I bet you'll
find your dog thinking then responding everytime.
A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies
to every aspect of the relation****p with your dog.
Obedience and affection are not related, if they were
everyone would have obedient dogs.
I have found giving dogs "payment" in advance i.e. "Sam
sit goodboy" makes the dogs want to respond, after all,
all dogs want to be "good dogs" and if you tell them they
are good then they feel an obligation to obey your request.
Telling Sam he's a good dog AFTER he sit's apart from
been too late is also a gamble because if he doesn't
sit then there's no positive interaction.
Paul
> There are many cor****ate restrictions at Petsmart which
> will not allow tools that may be useful in the training of
> your pet to be used.
Yeah? Oh, you mean shock and pronged spiked pinch choke collars?
They USE them OFF of the pest mart training area <{}: ~ ( >
> I am not familiar with BarkBusters.
> But I am leery of any cor****ate trainers.
INDEED?
From: Mike (m.bidd...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
> > Mike
> Ok Mike which part worked for you?
It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works like a charm.
My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.
Sorry that slipped my mind.
I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.
Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.
Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.
Seemed he learned through osmosis.
Nice side benefit there.
It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.
I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.
I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.
I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.
Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.
Mike
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"Linda" <llindaleedan...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:3c317fe4.0301072210.7f7ef069@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
> dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
> I do not know what started the problem but he came
> aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
> snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
> and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
> ad I took him with me everywhere.
> At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
> Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
> clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
> it was not working on his aggression problem.
> I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
> trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
> They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
> and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
> suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
> working as he was becoming more aggressive.
> I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph.D. 400 miles
> away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
> on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
> use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
> I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
> ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
> LEASH", ETC looking for help.
> We finally went to Purdue University Small Animal Behavior
> Clinic and they said he had fear aggression, punishment
> would not work, use the gentle leader and when out walking
> and he got stressed have the people stop until he could get
> in control using treats,and work on clicker training.
> At that point I knew more about clicker training and using the
> gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he would
> not come when I called him and would run away when I tried
> to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
> neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and
> women who hasn't trained her dog."
> I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
> were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two were
> so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one said I
> should give up on him and kill him but they would say
> "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
> responsible for him."
You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sun****ne
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.
> As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
> going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
> Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
> Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
> He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
> not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
> The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
> I had been working for 18 months!
> Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
> from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
> I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
> blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
> can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
> I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
> -the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
> looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
> on by.
> When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
> me like "you must be out of your mind"
> The results can make a believer!!!
> Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
> Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
> in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
> He just seemed to not notice any one.
> When people talked to him or ask his name he would
> look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
> I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
> enjoy life out in public.
> If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
> was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone.
> Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
> toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
> My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
> dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
> out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
> I know most people would have given up on him a long time
> ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
> but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
> I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
---------------------
From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sun****ne but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.
We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.
He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
I can never thank you enough for giving Sun****ne back!!!!!
I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.
I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-
- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.
They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
> I would seek advice from a professional trainer,
> or even better, a dog club. Dog clubs often put
> on cl***** to pay for their dog interests.
No, "dog clubs often put on cl***** to" RIP YOU OFF
for your hard earned dough at the EXXXPENSE of
your dog's life <{}: ~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
Re: Question About Euthanasia - Not For Faint of Heart
"diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
in message news:Xns995C9D28D6616danny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
if you are willing to be trolled. Using firearms
is not the most palatable way to put a dog down, but
sometimes it IS the most humane. For instance. I live
10 miles from a vet not an unreasonable distance for
routine care.
But one day, I was outside the fence in the company of
my dog, when the phone rang inside the house. I ran in
the door, and it was my dad. I said, "Dad, the dog did
not come in with me, I'll call you back"
Not aware that my dog had crossed the road to visit the
children getting off the school bus across the street,
I assumed her to be in her usual haunts, out in the back
pasture or barns.
I called her to come, and called her directly into the
path of a speeding car. She got hit directly on the
license plate and was thrown about 30 yards.
I knew exaclty what had happened, when I heard the
sickening thud, and her screams.
I rushed to her, and saw the blood streaming from her
ears and nose. her mangled little body irreparable. I
knew she was going to die. She quit screaming when I
went to her side. I went to move her, and she started
screaming even louder.
I knew moving her was only causing her greater agony.
She was in enough, and the outcome was not going to be
any better.
I decided to not put her through any more, and I left
her screaming, went in the house, got the handgun, and
returned. I gave her a tearful hug and apology. And I
did the hardest thing I've ever done in my whole life.
I took her pain, and made it my own. She immediately
slumped and went limp, and was silent. Quick. Taking
her to the vet was the poorer alternative.
in later years, I released a dog from the pound. She
was dumped for biting. Knowing that most of the time,
a dog that bites is the child's fault, I brought her
home to see if she was salvageable in a childless home.
She at least deserved an evaluation. She seemed fine,
then the following day, with no provocation, she lunged
for my throat. This was an unprovoked attack, and I knew
there was probably something physically wrong with the
dog (perhaps a brain tumor?) and regardless, she was a
HUGE liability risk, and I could never place her.
So I took her to the vet for euthanasia.
The vet kept sticking her for 15 minutes, and it was the
ugliest screaming death I ever witnessed.... until I had
my old 18 year old companion diagnosed with systemic
organ failure. Her old body wore out. I took her to the vet.
Apparently poor circulation caused her not to use the
euthanasia shot properly. The vet kept giving her one
shot after another, and she dies a slow agonizing death,
screaming, and looking at me in betrayal and dismay.
I wanted to grab her from the vet, and take her home,
and shoot her. It would have been over faster.
Then I took Danny in for Euthanasia. The best dog I've
ever had. The vet stuck him, and he went down HARD,
screaming.
He screamed for about 10 minutes.
If a vet was going to get a dog right, this one he HAD
to, and he didn't. I was furious. I'm forever sorry I
took him to the vet, but the violence of shooting him
was just unnacceptable to me.
These are THREE different vets.
I've witnessed hundreds of vet euthanasias that went
uneventfully. But those THREE failures stick forever
in my mind. Two on dogs very near and dear to me.
If I could accept the violence and had the fortitude
to do the job myself, those dogs would have never
needlessly suffered. A bullet properly placed is quick
and final.
Perhaps the OP has had not so good experiences, and
just wants to be sure the job is done right. I don't
necessarily consider them a troll (however I strongly
suspect that they are, and if they have to ask what
caliber to use, they probably are not a good enough
shot that they should attempt this)
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SEE??
> Their cl***** are usually more affordable, because they
> do not pay their instructors. Services are donated by the
> member****p so that profits may be recycled into club
> funds to buy equipment, insurance, and pay building
> rent to enable everyone involved to continue and further
> their interests.
That so, diddler?
diddler, the ****-stain, scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated cir***stances.
A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.
I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
From: diddy
Subject: Re: Dog chewing up floors
in thread news:aad9p2hg0aei5nijqludfvqhb8g1l0jsaj@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mmmtobler...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled the following
words:
> I, for one, am glad that the Puppy Wizard comes across
> as a complete loon given what his advice is since it
> makes it less likely that people will take it instead
> of the advice of someone else I think gives better advice.
For the record, The Puppy wizard over-rates himself. But
"his" (tm) methods are pretty much tried and true methods
that trainers have used and some still use today.
There are better methods out there now. But the ones posted
in his manual (now that he has removed the advice to SPIKE
a dog's temperature to dangerous levels) are sound. they work..
no matter what we think of the puppy-wizard and his packaging...
"his methods" <cough> are just as valid as anyone else's
"His methods" can stand some updating, and he definitely
needs to look at some repackaging.
Hopefully others add a slicker delivery to grab attention,
but truthfully, when you look at the cat fights that go on
here, and stand back and watch in perspective, it's rather
hard to determine the sane ones from the lunatics.
In fact, an awful lot of people here come off looking
rather tainted. A person needs to have a good filtering
device to sort out the noise.
TPW just has a problem that's too painfully obvious.
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HOWE COME would diddler set her INFORMATIVE posts to
EXXXPIRE in six days? Is she EMBARRASSED by her own
words, the lyin animal murderin punk thug coward mental case
fraud an SCAM ARTIST, like montana, elegy, meat terri,
professora melanie chang, cindy title moore of k9web.com,
matty a.k.a. Rocky and not so happy, not so handsome, not so
gentle jackass, not even jack morrison, a.k.a. BIG DADDY
a.k.a. DOGMAN a.k.a. tommy sorenson of sorenson's
Retriever PUPPY MILL and SHOCK COLLAR SALES??
Are they EMBARRASSED by their own words, the lyin animal
murderin punk thug coward mental cases frauds an SCAM ARTISTS?
matty aka Rocky EXXXPLAINS HOWE COME:
"Rocky" <2d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no
archive, and it's a shame. Once in a while, while
looking for something else, I'll run into an old post
of mine.
What an idiotic response!
Whoops.
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!
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