HOWEDY steveb,
"SteveB" <toquerville@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:91tgu5-351.ln1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> no one have the problem of their dogs eating their catbox nuggets?
As your newfHOWEND pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
animal murderin punk thug coward active acute chronic life-long
INCURABLE Malignant MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASE PALS
have admitted, AND, if you READ their own POSTED CASE
HISTORIES, you'll SEE they ALL got the SAME SAME
PROBLEMO for the SAME SAME REASONS, steveb <{}: ~ ( >
> I need some help here.
You mean, LIKE THIS, steveb?:
From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST
I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.
I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".
Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).
The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point
at the mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".
That made him afraid to relieve himself in the
house or infront of me.
After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.
When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".
This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...
Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking. That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.
Thank you, Jerry, for all you help.
You've been a blessing to all of us.
AIMEE
-----------------------
You AIN'T NEVER gonna solve the PROBLEM you an
your LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN PUNK THUG COWARD
ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC Life-Long INCURABLE
MALIGNANT MALICIHOWES MENTAL CASE PALS
got, steveb, EVEN AFTER The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master
Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES,
And Horsey Wizard AND HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End Training Method Manual Students from ALL OVER the
WHOWEL WILD WORLD TOLD YOU HOWE they done
it EZ, GENTLY, NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE, to
boot <{}: ~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
> From: der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Marshall Dermer) Date: 1999/12/21
> Subject: Re: Doc Dermer's offer
> > In article <tfR74.1$W64....@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "Jerry Howe" <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
> Lemme aks you sumthin, doc? When you punish your dog,
> do you find that he masturbates more frequently after such
> instances? (referring to your post about your dog using a
> pillow to get himself off)
First, I punish behavior, not dogs.
Second, I rarely issue corrections.
Third, as time goes on my dog uses the pillow less frequently.
I would say he uses it about once a month. Finally, I'm not
really concerned about my dog's masturbating; I don't find
such dog behavior offensive.
Eating dog poop, for me, is another story. And the rate
of that behavior has also diminished with time. :-)
--Marshall
Poop eatin is CAUSED by your ineffective inapupriate
miserable stinkin bribing crating and HOWEsbreakin
methods and can be CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY.
LIKE THIS:
Here's FIVE cases of COPROPHAGIA CURED NEARLY
INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERYTHING EXXXACTLY
PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE these pathetic miserable
stinkin lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASES PREFER:
From: lolajo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(lolajo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: My greyhound becoming bully of dogpark,help?
Date: 2004-01-07 01:15:04 PST
What is wrong with "The Puppy Wizard"?
I know his posts are a little wacky but his sound
distraction technique has worked very well for me.
After using traditional training with mixed results,
I was able to stop my dog from jumping up, eating
poop, begging from the table and excessive barking
using his methods.
Lolajoker.
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Subject: to Jerry Howe
From: MArtog
Date: Wed, Jan 17 2001 12:51 pm
Email: MArtog <mar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Just wanted to say thanks. The method you told me
to stop my dog from eating my other Labs sh-t in
the backyard has worked well. She has also improved
greatly when off leash out in the woods.
She still sniffs (ofcourse), but I rarely need to stop
her from anything else. I've always been diligent about
watching her, and cleaning up the yard, but ya just
can't be there every second. And she is quick!
So, thanks again for the advice.
I feel more confident now when I turn my back.
And to all you folks going yea, sure, right.
THIS IS NOT A TROLL POST.
HE gave me advice. It worked. Plain and simple.
Nothing more, nothing less.
So Jerry, allthough I don't lurk here, I'm sure
you're still putting up with DogButt and his ilk.
So good keep up the good work!
Off course DogButt will read this, even thoe it doesn't
have his name on it. Cause he thinks he owns the group.
So to you DogButt.........Well,,,,never mind.
You're already a loser. I don't need to tell you that.
Please feel free to correct my spelling/grammer, etc.
Yes, goodbye, good riddance, blah blah blah.
Later.....
MArtog
----------------------------
From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbou...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Dog eats poo!
Date: 2000-12-05 00:40:48 PST
I used sound distraction to stop my 2 dogs eating cow poo
during walkies. I posted here a while ago explaining how I
managed to control them from eating it but there were a lot
of sceptics. If your interested I'll be glad to tell you
what worked for me, just let me know and I'll post a thread
on this NG.
Paul
--------
From: Paul B
Date: Sat, Oct 21 2000 2:18 am
Email: "Paul B" <NOSPAMpaulbou...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
The sound distraction and praise method he uses is VERY effective,
I use those techniques on my dogs and the results are great. From
teaching a dog to recall to preventing unwanted behaviours (****
eating, eating the cats food, growling when taking a bone from a
dog, jumping up, even escaping from the property, any behaviour).
To say sound distraction and praise methods don't work is pure
ignorance.
I can understand you not liking Jerry and being pissed off with
the posts he submits but please keep things in context and don't
slam a technique just because you can't stand the person suggesting
using it.
Paul.
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From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST
I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.
I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".
Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).
The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point
at the mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".
That made him afraid to relieve himself in the
house or infront of me.
After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.
When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".
This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...
Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking. That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.
Thank you, Jerry, for all you help.
You've been a blessing to all of us.
AIMEE
-----------------------
From: Paul
Date: Wed, Dec 6 2000 12:00 am
Email: "Paul B" <NOSPAMpaulbou...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
I'm not exactly sure why Jerry is saying to ignore me, it's his
advice that I found was the most successful. During walks in a
particular park the dogs would come across fresh cow pats and
munch away happily.
To stop this I'd set them up, I'd find a nice fresh cow turd and
stand next to it, when the dogs came over and saw it they would
start to munch, at the onset of this I'd chuck a throw chain near
the dog to distract it and praise straight away, the reason for
the praise is the dog stops eating as soon as it hears the distraction
so I'm praising that behaviour, the not eating.
I'd set them up again and repeat, but make the sound come from
a different direction, maybe the first time chuck the chain to
the right of the dog, the next time to the left, then behind etc,
it's the randomness that is effective and always sincerely praise
immediately.
Now when I walk through the park they leave the turds alone,
they aren't interested in them anymore due to the distraction
training. Don't let the dog know that you made the sound, the
sound just "occurs" this is im****tant as it removes "you" out
of the problem.
Paul
--------------------
Subject: Sweet Coprophagia
From: Lynn
Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 10:01 pm
Email: roudyre...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Lynn)
I hate to be in such agreement all the time, but am excited
about Coco the Rotti we have boarded here. Yes she made my
job easier (no poo to pick up) as at her home she eats poo
due to major anxiety and being punished with a stick for it.
She was living on it just about.
It was gross, and she is a beautiful dog
I decided to change this. It has taken 6 days for HER to
get an appetite and I PICK up poo now. We have yard kennels
here, so it's hard to catch every dog doing everything. I
took all the pressure off her. SHE is using a dog house,
not cowering at her gate. SHE is breaking the habit of body
blocking me so I cannot leave her area. SHE is now playing
ike a normal doggie.
What did I do? Not much. Just ask as the other's are doing,
and be patient. Not making a big deal out of behavior she is
used to being punished for.
I can snap a finger now to distract her, and say "Coco
back good girl" I move into Hot and Cold on a bad day.
The owner just got done putting up a security door due
to her taking out the old one. The dog has quit blocking
me from getting in my door when out for play. My job is
getting easier, it's a pain to be rushed by a pack of
dogs all trying to come in.
Call the dogs puppets, they don't care!
Lynn
--------------------------
From: MArtog
Date: Thurs, Jan 18 2001 7:51 am
Email: MArtog <mar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
In article <3A65FE5F.70D8D...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
Jos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Ummm OK and if you didn't want Dog'butt' or anyone else to raad it.. why
> didn't you just email Jerry your thanks? I smell a rat.... Bye Bye
Last reply/post from me just to explain to Joshua.
Then I'm outta here(yippee).
No I was not trying to TROLL. I wanted to post a
thank you to Jerry. That's it. Never said I didn't
want anyone else to read it. I did say that I knew
DogButt would read it even thoe it wasn't for him.
He thinks everything in here is his business.
So he had to post some childish response because he
can't help it. He is sooo predictable. He will read
this too and again post a childish response. If he
doesn't, it will show a strength of will that I don't
believe he has.
Not trying to be a rat or anything else. I clearly said
what I wanted to say about Jerry's help with my dog problem.
It is sad that this group is still so antagonistic all the time.
There is a lot of knowledge here, but it is rarely
disseminated in a kindly manner. Most newbies get
ran off in fairly short order, and go over to r.p.d.breeds
where people are much freindlier. Seems like most
posters in here have been around each other too long.
Some sort of internet cabin fever or something (IMHO).
Anyway, I won't be reading your's or DogButt's reply. So feel
free to go at each other's throats as usual,flame me and my
post, whatever.
Again, thanks Jerry and all of you have a nice day......
well except you DogButt!
Maybe Jerry can help you stop eating sh-t!
BYE!
----------------
Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Sup****t Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and sup****t your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establi****ng a nonprofit
charity to fund your im****tant work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
----------------
> Steve
HERE'S HOWE, steveb:
HOWEDY mikey a.k.a. pat a.k.a. unsurreality_2005 aka
trollbasher aka BLACK VOMIT, you anonymHOWES
pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin child an
spHOWES abusin punk thug coward active acute chronic
long term incurable mental case and professional dog trainin
FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST,
<unsurreality_2005@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:aeca0756-4cf1-4978-ac0b-28813c2b3e7e@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nov 6, 11:15 pm,
"Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory"
<Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laborat...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
> Hey mikey? You MIGHT wanna advise steveb HOWE
> to EXXXTINGUISH his doggy's kat poop eatin problem
> despite that he CAN'T CATCH THEM IN THE ACT??
OtherWIZE he'd just jerk an choke an shock them hisself <{}: ~ ( >
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
JUST LIKE HOWE *you* an your pathetic miserable
stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug coward
active acute chronic life-long INCURABLE malignant
maliciHOWES MENTAL CASES PREFER <{}: ~ ( >
> <unsurreality_2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> You are the wizard,
BET YOUR ARSE ON IT, mikey <{}'; ~ ) >
> so go ahead and tell him right here.
I DONE THAT ALREADY, mikey <{}: ~ ) >
> Try avoiding meaningly BS by spewing hundreds
> of lines of what other people wrote.
You mean QUOTING their own NEARLY INSTANT
SUCCESS trainin ALL behaviors simply by DOIN
EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE
of HOWE you punks PREFER?
> Go ahead and explain how to stop this behavior.
You'll see HOWE if you read "Da Kat In Da Back", mikey <{}: ~ ) >
> We are waiting...
It's EZ, mikey; ALL temperament and behavior problems
are handled EXXXACTLY PRECISELY THE SAME
WAY, with minor adjustments to suit the situation <{}: ~ ) >
Ok, mikey? HOWEver, be advised, you ain't got the
INTELLECT to IMPROVISE upon the method to
suit the cir***stance *(let alone HOWEtwitting
the CUNNING of the domestic puppy dog) so I'll
necessarily have to EXXXTRAPOLATE on it for
you, *(despite that there's likeWIZE, a video) but
only if you ASK NICE, mikey, JUST LIKE HOWE
YOU DONE here, you pathetic ignorameHOWES <{}': ~ ) >
Subject: Da Kat In Da Back -
Adventures Of The Amazing ***** Hunter <{}: ~ ) >
Date: Friday, October 03, 2008 10:11 AM
HOWEDY fellHOWE dog an kat lovers,
Recently Mrs. The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child,
*****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And
Horsey Wizard informed HIM that she seen a kat in da
backyard <{}: ~ ) >
Of curse noWON here would allHOWE their dogs to hurt
intimidate an murderin innocent defenseless dumb critters,
SO, HE set abHOWET to TRAIN HIS dogs NOT to attack
the kitty kat in da back, JUST LIKE HOWE anyWON of
you would likeWIZE do, IF you knew HOWE to HOWEtwit
the cunning of the domestic puppy dog even after The Sincerely
Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand
Master Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard an HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End
Training Method Manual Students from ALL OVER the WHOWEL
WILD WORLD, done TOLD YOU HOWE to do it NEARLY
INSTANTLY an for FREE, to boot <{}'; ~ ) >
After finally observin da kat crawilin through the tall grass
by the fence HISSELF, The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy,
Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES,
And Horsey Wizard made note of its path and upon next
occasion takin HIS dogs HOWET, HE asked them if they'd
like to SEE da kitty kat~!
But of curse they did~!
So, we went a ***** huntin~!
An JUST EXXXACTLY PRECISELY when The
Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard's dogs
noted da kitty kat track trail, HE was pointing HOWET,
HE *SNAPPED* HIS fingers and STEPPED BACK and
INSTANTLY PRAISED the idea of chasin da kat for fifteen
seconds <{}: ~ ) >
Upon the NEXT instance of goin HOWEtside, HE repeated
the procedure, only this time, from behind HIS dogs, thereby
EXXXTINGUI****NG their THOUGHTS of EVER chasin
da kitty kat in da back <{}: ~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
Subject: The Amazing ***** Hunter <{}: ~ ) >
<Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_
Laboratory@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:2fb8ddf1-2120-4efa-89d8-8246a560822d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
AND LIKE THIS:
From: "lindalee" <llindaleedan...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 21 Jan 2006 18:34:10 -0800
Subject: Chasing squirrels
I have not posted to the group for awhile but
want to share my success of teaching my dog
Sun****ne, who has a very high prey drive, to
not go after squirrels when on a walk. It
took a few trials but he can now walk right
past squirrels running up a tree or in a yard.
Using Jerry Howe's approach I used a sound to
get his attention when he saw a squirrel and
then praised him and kept on walking past the
squirrel. Where we live in Michigan we lots of
squirrels and he was always wanting to chase
them up a tree. Jerry's approach of sound
and praise really works.
I think the people who discount his methods
have never tried the method because it works
everytine. Sometimes it takes a little practice
to get the sound from different directions but
I was able to change Sun****ne's behavior in
just a week after we moved back to Michigan.
Sun****ne is a very sensitive dog so any physical
corrections just won't work but using sound and
praise he is a really great dog who opens doors,
picks up things I drop, and and helps me a lot.
If you have a behavior problem with your dog get
a copy of Jerrry's manual and solve your problem!
---------------
AND LIKE THIS:
Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern
Daylight Time
From: p...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Witsend...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
Dog Training Method works.
My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
around the barbecue on the patio. I
used this system on four different occasions.
When she went out today, she looked
everywhere else but the barbecue.
Amazing, just amazing.
I will write to Amanda about the video.
I am really excited to learn more, and
understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
that I am going about it the right way.
Thanks again
Paul
----------------
HERE'S HOWE COME:
From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:08:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Has anyone read . .
dian...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
"Situation:
- Unfenced suburban backyard frequented by deer most of the day
(specifically four does and three fawns right now; it's been a good
year) - Genuinely high-prey drive herding dog Challenge:"
"Nah, it's not MERELY to prevent the dog from chasing the
deer; that would be too darn easy <*g*>. We want the dog to
be so relaxed that the deer don't react with anything more than
an ear-flick when she walks into the yard."
"How would you harness the dog's prey drive to
accomplish that result?"
Kelley replies:
Seconal.
For both the dog and the deer.
We don't have deer in Manhattan, we have squirrels, so the
part about the deer only flicking an ear would not translate
to them.
My dog used to love chasing squirrels, but I trained him out
of the habit, somewhat the same way I'd train a dog who loves
playing fetch to respond to a recall signal, even while he's hot
after a tennis ball or a Frisbee, then turn on a dime, and come
running back even harder and faster and with more energy and
enthusiasm than he had for chasing the ball.
This translates to squirrels, cyclists, or anything else, so I'm sure
that that part of it would translate quite readily to deer or tractors
or whatever you got out where you are that we don't got none of
in these parts.
As for the next step, when the dog goes after a squirrel or cyclist,
etc., and will turn on a dime (off leash) when he hears his recall
signal and then run back harder and faster, etc., he's given a ball
(or Frisbee) to chase as a reward. (The reward for turning on a
dime while chasing a ball or Frisbee is enthuiastic praise and a
lot of happy jumping up and maybe a game of "tag--you're it".)
After a few times of doing these exercises the dog has no further
interest in chasing anything except what his owner wants him to
chase. And *his* "ears don't flicker" anytime he sees a squirrel, etc.
His drive was now been channeled completely into
the toy (and into his obedience commands).
As for a squirrel showing no fear of a dog, that's pretty tough -- I
don't usually train squirrels. But I'll mention this: about two years
ago a squirrel actually came walking up to my dog and got about
two feet away.
Looked right at Fred and didn't twitch his moustache. Does that
count? I'd say a squirrel that not only doesn't run away, but actually
comes up to a dog, close enough for his life to be over with one
quick lunge, and doesn't twitch his mustache actually trumps a deer
who flicks his ear, while safely standing however many yards away,
wouldn't you?
Fred, by the way, snubbed the little critter. Didn't even look
at him, could have cared less that he was there. I even got the
feeling that if the squirrel had gotten close enough, Fred would've
have just given him a curious nose to nose sniff, the way he'd
sniff another dog, and would've then gone about his business.
Oh, and to use your terminology, Fred is a "high-drive" Dalmatian
who, when he chases something, puts all his energy into it. And I
mean all.
He's really something to watch (or was, he's 12 now and his back
legs are starting to slow him down, but his emotional energy is
still there).
By the way, do I get a prize for this?
LCK
----------------------
LIKE THIS:
Here's trainer and author LeeCharlesKelley's GENTLE,
EFFECTIVE method bein described by elizabeth naime,
PROFESSIONAL DOG ABUSE TRAININ FRAUD,
SCAM ARTIST and MENTAL PATIENT:
"Elizabeth Naime" <ena...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
message
news:r2itp09ioneibmse2mgmf0eslc5kohb51s@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Quoth Handsome Jack Morrison
> <me10...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> on Sat, 20 Nov 2004
> 02:15:55 GMT,
>
> What's the difference between making, say, a
> hard-charging field-bred retriever (say an equally
> independent Chessie) "reliably do something that is
> completely contrary to its wiring," e.g.,
<SNIP>
Couple of years ago by now, a woman with fox
terriers wrote about training a recall on the
clicktrain list. She had used a long line and
proofed for distractions per Koehler; yet the dog
knew when he was on a line and when not, and
would ignore her when there were squirrels to chase.
She had used an e-collar under the direction of a
professional, who said he had never met a dog who
could tell whether he was wearing the real thing or
the dummy collar, as her dog seemed able to.
Heck, they're terriers. Chasing squirrels or other
irresistable prey, they'll scramble through t*****
bushes, tumble down rocky hills, and the prey could
always bite back (though I'm thinking more of badger
dogs -- the Cairn Terrier, the West Highland White
Terrier, and the hunting Dachshund -- badgers are
reputed to be pretty tough critters). And none of
that diminishes the fun. What's a few scratches and
lumps and bruises? And what are corrections
from a long line or an e-collar in the face of such
delightful temptation?
What did work for her, at last, was chasing
squirrels with the dog. I believe she used a harness
with a long line and a snapback, not to correct the
dog, but to ensure that during training he simply
wasn't able to enjoyably chase squirrels without
her cooperation.
Each time he focused on her rather than a
nearby squirrel, the reward was that they
chased the squirrel together.
The fact that his best friend and fellow squirrel
chaser was a bit clumsly and let the squirrels
get away didn't bother him... apparently the
chase was the best part.
Once he got the picture (not long at all) the dog took
to running over and stepping on her foot when there
was chasable prey about... which pretty much took
care of the squirrel chasing problem, as she was
then able to pick him up and/or reward him with a
joint chase when appropriate and not too
embarassing.
A good while after this training success, she found
that he would run and touch her foot to alert her to
prey *she* hadn't seen yet. Which gave her time to
pick him up the time he saw the chicken first...
There are limits, obviously. You can't chase deer
with your dog; ain't proper and the game warden's
not gonna be happy with it.
However, I think there's a lesson here for all trainers,
about the dog knowing what's reinforcing and what's
not (treats ranking lower than squirrels for this dog)
and about modifying "drives," setting rules and limits
rather than trying to "put a stop to it" entirely.
So the retriever gets to chase and retrieve birds,
the scent hound gets to use his nose, the terrier
gets to chase the prey, the greyhound gets to lure
course (or, squeamish though I personally might be
about it, open-field course)... on the handler's
terms.
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SEE?
"Linda" <llindaleedan...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in message
news:
I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.
At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.
I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.
I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.
At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"
I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."
*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sun****ne
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)
As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!
Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.
When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"
The results can make a believer!!!
Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
He just seemed to not notice any one.
When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.
If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
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From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sun****ne but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.
We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.
He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
I can never thank you enough for giving Sun****ne back!!!!!
I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.
I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-
- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.
They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
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SEE?
ALL Temperament And Behavior Problems Are
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
Here's a word from professor of ANAL-ytic behavior
at UofWI, marshal dermer, who USED TO post to
dog lovers here WARNING them TO KILLFILE
and NOT BELIEVE The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master
Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard:
From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and sup****t your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establi****ng a nonprofit
charity to fund your im****tant work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
"The day may come when the rest of
the animal creation
may acquire those right
which never could have been withholden from them
but by the hand of tyranny.
The question is not can they REASON,
nor can they TALK,
but can they SUFFER?" -
- Jeremy Bentham
"A Cheerful Heart Is Good Medicine, But
A Crushed Spirit Dries Up The Bones,"
Proverbs 17:22
Disciple Paulie Sez:
"No One Understands How Wits End Training
Really Works; They Assume It's All Nicey Nicey
And don't Realise It's A Very Disciplined Method
That Deals With Any Situation And The Foundation
Is Built On Trust And Understanding.
I've never forced my dogs to do anything,
I tell them they are good dogs and they
seem to follow me, onceI told them they
were bad dogs and they ran away from me,
now I only ever tell them they are good dogs
and they always are, always.
Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say
"good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and
I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding
everytime.
A Bit Of Respect Works Wonders,
The Same Rule Applies
To Every Aspect Of
The Relation****p With Your Dog.
Obedience And Affection Are Not Related,
if They Were Everyone Would Have
Obedient Dogs.
I Have Found Giving Dogs "Payment" In Advance i.e.
"Sam sit goodboy" Makes The Dogs WANT TO RESPOND,
After All, All Dogs Want To Be "Good Dogs" And If
You Tell Them They Are Good Then They Feel An
Obligation To Obey Your Request.
Telling Sam He's A Good Dog AFTER He Sit's
Apart From Being Too Late Is Also A Gamble
Because If He Doesn't Sit Then There's No
Positive Interaction.
Paul
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ANY QUESTIONS, People?
"Ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you mad." -
~Aldous Huxley.
All Truth P***** Through Three Stages.
First, It Is Ridiculed.
Second, It Is Violently Opposed.
Third, It Is Accepted As Being Self-Evident
-Arthur Schopenhauer-
"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.
"If you've got them by the balls their
hearts and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.
"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
"Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"
-Friedrich Schiller.
INDEEDY.
AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!
In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours
The WORLD'S CRUELEST Trainer,
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
*M-A-J-E-S-T-I-C*
*G-R-A-N-D*
*M-A-S-T-E-R*
Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ;~ ) >
HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >
Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092 (Call ANY TIME)
http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard
E-mail:
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--
> -Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.-
INDEED <{}:* ~ ( >
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