HOWEDY janet you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
animal murderin punk thug coward active acute chronic
life-long incurable malignant maliciHOWES mental case
and professional dog trainin FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST,
"Janet Boss" <janet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> In article <jHaQk.3019$Jv2.2583@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> "S.Smith" <sasmith39@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone tried Don Sullivan's Dog Training? I have
>> used PetSmart puppy cl***** and have tried BarkBusters.
>> Both have been minimally effective.
Hmmm... HOWE COME do you suppHOWES
they didn't NEED to MURDER her dog, janet?
> Find yourself an actual in-person dog trainer. www.dogpro.org
You mean LIKE THIS WON, janet?:
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction"
--Janet Boss
http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt
"J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > dog like a Lab.
> I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
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From: J1Boss (j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Aggression: Follow-up, still need help
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Date: 1998/11/09
lesaigle writes (re dog aggression):
> Are there other ways besides
> grabbing the scruff of his neck?
>
> Erin -
I think your behaviorist is wrong in her approach.
On the other hand, you want to avoid getting bitten.
This is a situation where I would use a "kennel lead"
AND a NILIF routine. First - the NILIF - basically,
everything should be on YOUR terms.
If the dog wants to be petted/play ball/whatever, he
must do something that you ask first. No pawing at
you, no grabbing you, no biting you. Eliminate treats
Exercise the hell out of the little guy.
Practice every obedience command you know, and use
them in practical purposes. Make the dog sit (or even
better yet - DOWN) and stay before being given PERMISSION
to eat. Don't let the dog decide ANYTHING - everything
should be done because YOU want to, not him.
Now, the kennel lead. Basically, dog on chair (which is
going to be a no-no, invited or not), growls at you when
you tell him to get off?
Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him
a stern correction, popping him off the furniture as you
do. Still snarly? Hold him off with the leash and ask
him to sit.
Hold him off enough for him to "chill", then go
through a short obedience routine.
During the evening, put him on a leash (with a choke
collar), and make him down near your chair/sofa while
you read, watch tv, whatever. Correct any attempts
to paw or bite at you, or get on the sofa.
My bet is, that after 2 weeks tops, he's gonna figure out
that his arguing will get him nowhere but popped onto the
floor, and he can't bite with the leash control. Let us know!
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
"Read your question for the obvious answer"
LIKE THIS:
Here's janet's "more positive experience"
with a REAL LIFE IN PERSTON "student":
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
Hello everyone:
If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.
I will add a bit more history later in this post.
Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.
The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
had the time to work with him much on that.
I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pu****ng his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.
Muttley took the op****tunity to attack a young black
male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.
That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.
When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
what should be done about Muttley.
She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.
She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.
"They can't all be saved".
<snip>
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
<snip>
If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience cl***** at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.
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BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
Here's janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON "student" paul:
#2 - 6/05/07
>> When I was training him under Janet's supervision
>> I was instructed to give it a ? firm yank as a correction.
> I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm
> yanks on a chain choke collar. I hate the things.
>> She was able to get his attention with
>> just a quick tug, but I had to yank on it
>> hard enough to lift him off his feet to get
>> him to respond. Looking back now, I think
>> it was based on his fear, which he had for
>> her (as an unknown), but not for me
>> (whom he had learned to trust).
> He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a
> confident trainer. Fear has no place in dog
> training, as I told you THEN.
> Janet
It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
of further punishment.
Sure, if it is administered very consistently
by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
so what remains is negative.
Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
from me without lunging for it. When you offered
it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
a fear behavior.
Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
to think on his own, but that's just my way of
doing things, and that's probably not going to
change much. He may never win an obedience
medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
of control, either.
Paul and Muttley
----------------
"I thought I was told that the way to get the dog to go
down was to make him sit and then step onthe leash.
That was awkward and didn't seem to work.
I will confess that I only tried the "down" position
once or twice at home, and I also often used it
instead of "Off" when I wanted him to stop
jumping on me or elsewhere I didn't want him to be.
I had to give him corrections every few seconds,
and also just about kick him, to keep him at my
left side.
Muttley is really a very sweet and loving dog, but
he needs more socialization with other dogs. However,
it is very likely that I will have him put down in a week."
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
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HERE'S HOWE COME:
Subject: Re: redirected aggression
Date: 4/11/07
"Janet Boss" <janet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:janet-730AB8.17321511042007@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
seems I have been dealing with this a bit lately.
Dog to dog and dog to person,, with dogs who are
obviously overstimulated by what's in front of them.
What's in front of them varies from people at the door
to dogs in their path or directly in their face. The dogs
in question all have very poor self control.
I have dog(s) with not-so-great-natural self control,
so it's something we constantly work on. We don't
have redirected stuff going on, because we have enough
obedience to avoid it.
While I know that's the big answer for the dogs in
question as well, I'm curious what things people have
found useful to redirect/focus/gain attention from
drivey dogs or just very distracted of over-the-top dogs.
We're having success with my recommendations, but I'm
always open to something novel that may be the hot ticket.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
Here's janet's SUCCESS trainin her own dogs:
From: J1Boss (j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: housebreaking in a multi level home
Date: 2002-06-27 03:30:11 PST
> From: Rocky
> Nessa wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> why does Franklin have to be on a leash?
>
> I think that Franklin's been naughty.
>
>--
>--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
and apparently pretty sneaky too -
can't figure this one out still!
FYI - He ingested a mystery sock.
Hadn't done that in well over a year.
When he was a puppy we were very lucky -
they went through or came up. We've done
"sock work" with him leaving them alone,
but mostly are pretty conscientious about
not making them available.
The risk is obviously too high. One of his
littermates beat him to the punch with the
same surgery, and his great grandfather had
this habit until he died at age 12.
My MIL was visiting (sockless!) and since he
wasn't with me every waking moment as usual
as a result, I can only imagine that the sock
presented itself somehow while she was with him.
He was a very, very sick dog. He had emergency
surgery on Monday, but was home by Tuesday - we
lucked out that the sock had advanced enough that
they didn't need to cut the bowel.
Once he was opened, they were able to manipulate
the sock out his rectum. He thinks he's fine, so
the leash is very necessary! He's got about a foot
of staples on his tummy, and this was a very
expensive sock!
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAA~!~!~!
FRANKLIN and JANET, ACT II
From: J1Boss (j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: What can I do if I can't afford a behaviorist?
Date: 2002-06-27 05:20:30 PST
> From: diddy d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Some dogs are really adept at getting
> out of things, even the impossible.
Yes indeed. I crated Franklin when I had to
leave yesterday. He's post surgical and needs
to be confined and rest/kept safe.
He is used to crates, has not problem with
them and does not "escape" (mesh crates, wire
crates, etc - he takes them all in stride,
whether strange places or at home).
When I got home, both dogs greeted me at the
door. He had managed to bend the clips on the
end panel of his metal crate (General Cage 204)
and squeeze out the top/side of the end panel
that has the door. The door was securely closed.
THAT was NOT a good thing to do with a foot of
staples in your tummy. He hadn't done it before -
but he's not his usual self obviously.
We won't be trying that again any time soon!
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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janet's dogs are DEAD an DYIN from STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE a.k.a. The Puppy Wizard's
Syndrome <{}: ~ ( >
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Subject: The crate escape - my brilliant puppy!
1 From: Janet B
Date: Wed, Apr 5 2006 7:44 am
Email: Janet B j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rudy came to stay with us, I got tired of running
into an open crate door, so I bought a new crate, with a
door that folds up and in. "can't be opened from the inside"
says the ad. I always looked at these and hought "right",
but for the last few months (yes, folks, it's been 3.5 months)
it has worked great.
Until Monday.
That's when Mr Smarty-pants decided he knew how
to open it. And greeted us at the door after 6+ hours
of freedom.
A chewed wastebasket lid and a puddle inside the
front door (he loses it if very excited and yesterday
morning I found evidence that a smallish dog had
apparently "visited" right outside my full view front
door) was all that was wrong.
So yesterday, when I left for a short errand, I made
sure to clip the door closed securely. And once again
came home to an unconfined puppy.
So, today, the crate will get clips on the door to ensure
this doesn't happen again. I need him to learn that he
shouldn't let himself out.
But it looks like he's going to be allowed house freedom
within a few days, and since he'll be 9 months old on
Monday, that'll be the day.
I'll take the next few days to put some shoes away and
check out other things he may be interested in, and get
out the bitter apple.
My house is not exactly the neatest place in the world,
and there's a lot of stuff that may be too available and
interesting. We shall see.
My puppy is growing up and too smart for his own good!
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
From: Janet Boss <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:39:43 -0400
Subject: Re: the one-dog two-dog dilemma
In article <fb464s$uc...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
Shelly <she...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> hat was a sing that I should be committed.
> I have a feeling that, as crazy as multiple retrievers might be, it
> pales in comparison to multiple Boxers. It's not a theory I'd
> personally care to test, though.
Me neither! Yes, we don't have the sock thing with Rudy
thank goodness. He keeps me just as worried with lumps
(cells from one are out for biopsy now), has been a poop
eater (past tense) and has his urinary issue.
Their "joie de vivre" is pretty similar though!
They're actually very good at being rugs
when in the house and it's just me/us.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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From: Janet B <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 15:23:53 -0400
Subject: urinary leaking
Rudy has a vet appointment tomorrow afternoon,
but I thought I'd throw this out here anyway.
Rudy has excitement urination sometimes - if I spend too long before
coming into the house, he may flood his crate. This is generally only
if I've been gone over 4 hours. He does not have water in his crate.
Rudy sleeps through the night (10-6 or 7) and never has an issue with
leaking then. He is housebroken and waits until I let him out.
A few times over the last month, after I've been gone a bit over 5
hours, I've come home, let him out where he pees up a storm, then he
is fed, out again, maybe multiple times (for play, etc) and eliminates
normally. Then he naps. When he's sleeping, he leaks.
Baseball-Softball sized puddle generally. Yesterday, I as home with
him all day, gone for <2 hours in the early evening, and late in the
evening, right before bed, he leaked again while sleeping.
This doesn't strike me as an infection or even a sphincter issue, but
it has me puzzled. He has no idea he's doing it and it doesn't wake
him.
Any thoughts?
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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Here's a few observations:
"Janet Boss" <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> In article <13tdvmj9calq...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "BethI****"
> <bethi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> Thats just so freaking annoying. Its past morning.
>> I must know whats going on.
> Sorry - I had to leave the house at 12:30 and just got home at 6.
> Good news is that he doesn't have diabetes. Bad news
> is it's pointing to congenital kidney defect.
> We're doing a repeat of the BUN and Creatinine test on Thursday,
> this time with a 10-12 hour fast. We're also going to do a specific
> gravity on first thing of the morning urine, to see if he's
concentrating
> the urine overnight when he's not drinking water. I have notes, but
> basically the blood work showed the BUN and Creatinine as just over
> high normal, and the urine was high on something -
> I have to look and remember what.
> The step after that is an ultrasound to see what
> we're dealing with, kidney wise.
> The really F***ing bad news is that if this is what it is, there's not a
> damn thing that can be done except take it one day at a time and now
> that we'll face renal failure at some point. The fact that he's having
> this problem at only 2 is not a particularly promising sign.
> F***ING PUPPYMILLS!
> I'll post whenever I know more and have any more meaningful results.
> Thanks to all for the concern and thoughts. --
> Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
Google Results: 2,660,000 for KIDNEY "RENAL
FAILURE" OR "KIDNEY DISEASE" & STRESS
Results: 288,000 for KIDNEY "RENAL FAILURE"
OR "KIDNEY DISEASE" EMOTIONAL STRESS
Results: 249,000 for "oxidative stress" KIDNEY OR
RENAL OR CONGENITAL "AUTOIMMUNE"
"I do use a variety of collars when training dogs. I'm
not a big fan of CHAIN chokes, because I don't find
them easy to fit properly. I prefer nylon slip collars in
general, will never connect a leash to a buckle ID collar,
and find prong collars to be very, very useful training tools.
Rudy is going to start learning the e-collar this week.
I'm sure you'll NOT hear screams from across the pond.
--
Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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From: lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sun, Dec 4 2005 3:26 am
Email: lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
B wrote:
> On 1 Dec 2005 10:55:42 -0800, "sighthounds & siberians"
> <greyho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, clicked their heels and said:
>
> > Oh, please. You're asking Lucy to understand that a behavior
> > can be genetic in a dog, which IMO is asking a great deal.
Yeah, what do I know about genetically determined behavior? At
some point in the evolution of Franklin's breed a mutation occurred
that determined a propensity for sock-swallowing; and, considering
the fact that this acquired behavior conferred such an evolutionary
advantage to the breed, natural selection favored it all the time until
it was passed on to Franklin's parents and grandparents, and hopefully
to Franklin's offspring, so that such a valuable trait wouldn't, God
forbid, be lost due to some other random mutation quirk. Nice how
genetics work, in Sally's world!
> >It's ironic that Lucy (whose tone from the get-go is much more
> >sarcastic and confrontational than would seem warranted) should
> >reappear just now, isn't it?
"Ironic?" About as ironic as any random event, and
as probable as a dog being born with a taste for socks.
> > Mustang Sally
> oh I know, and I fed the troll.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, good-hearted Janet!
I was STARVING!
But - can you tell me what exactly is it that makes me
a troll, when posting on topic on a dog behavior matter?
> Even they need treats once in awhile, no? OK - maybe not!
> The holiday spirit must have gotten the better of me.
Yes, Janet, you're way too good. Don't let it become a habit, though
-
you might find it difficult next time when having
to use your pretty choke collar on a dog.
Lucy
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SEE??
Here's janet trainin her own dog to run into the street:
From: J1Boss (j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Allstate won't insure my house due to dangerous breed
Date: 1999/01/11
My homeowner's policy DID pay over $2300 to cover
automobile damage for the person who killed my dog
recently.
My rates don't change, I'm not dropped,
my dogs weren't questioned.
Perhaps there is more to the "judgement" criteria than meets the eye.
Janet Boss<BR>
Best Friends Dog Obedience<BR>
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
"Read your question for the obvious answer"
> My insurance company paid over $2300 to fix someone's
> car after my dog was hit and killed. If the car had hit a deer,
> the car owner's insurance would have had to pay. The leash
> law in my county meant that even without INTENTIONAL off leash
> cir***stances, the car driver had a right to compensation from
> my homeowner's insurance, even though he was very much speeding.
> Janet Boss
> Best Friends Dog Obedience
> "Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
> Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
> www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
There you were bragging to somebody else about how good your
allstate insurance was. That your rates didn't change, even though
you paid somebody $2300 for killing your dog.
You were happy about that.
Happy you didn't have to pay for it out of your own pocket.
Feelin' pretty good about yourself and your choice in insurers.
You were happy your rates didn't change. You were happy you
weren't dropped. You were happy your (remaining) dogs weren't
"questioned" by your all powerful insurance company which you
work so hard to remain in good favor of.
Janet Boss
Nice surgery for the Family Pet due to Incompetent training
Run over my dog and I'll pay you.
have a nice day starving your dogs so people will think
you are a "responsible" dog owner.
Janet.
--
this is michael
re****ting live...
from the new muzzle of dog training
http://dogtv.com
http://changethemuzzle.com
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
HERE'S HOWE COME:
"Tricia9999" <tricia9...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:20021117101433.10365.00000067@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> how effective are these electronic fences in
> keeping a dog on a property????
Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
too scared to go out in the yard anymore.
Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
because the dog got caught right in the path of
the shock and will now not go near his person,
won't go outside.
Just hides under a desk in the house.
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"micha el" spam_yurs...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
in message
news:yIydnZpPsIzg6l_d4p2dnA@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
it felt like to me when I got shocked by
Hope's collar.
It felt like a bomb going off in my
hand and forearm.
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SEE?
Here's HOWE COME janet's dogs RUN HOWET on her:
"J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
On 6 Feb 2006 17:41:08 GMT, Mary Healey
<mhhea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
clicked their heels and said:
> Does that include tone of voice? Some tools are easier
> to ban than others.
yes - screaming banshees are told to shut up! And I
always have to remind spouses that they may NOT do the
"honey - you're supposed to be doing it like THIS"......
--
Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
From: sionnach (rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST
> And Sally responded:
> > Who said that? I would never do or recommend
> > that, and neither would most of the regulars
> > on here.
> >Sally Hennessey
> I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed
> to do so. Take it out of context and you'd think
> I was flinging puppies across the room!
> here's what I said (keep in mind that we're
> talking about a 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):
> A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's very persistant.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?
I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy
is very persistant, it can be appropriate to take
hold of the loose skin at the back of the neck and
give a slight shake to the *skin*".
Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."
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SEE?
Here's janet's REAL LIFE IN-PERSON "PROFESSIONAL
OBEDIENCE TRAINING" "student", nessa, pryor to 'returning
to the fold' after her own dog DROPPED DEAD from STRESS
INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE a.k.a. The Puppy
Wizard's Syndrome like HOWE janet an sinofa*****es an
racetrack silly's DEAD DOGS DONE:
Subject: First Class was tonite
1 From: Nessa
Date: Tues, Jun 11 2002 8:32 pm
Email: Nessa <use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Tonite I started Janet's obedience class. It's
like NIGHT and DAY from the class Bagel 'flunked'.
I was amazed at the difference and I am very glad
Janet gave me the chance to attend her class.
I can't wait till PK on Saturday.
Nessa
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Subject: Training...
1 From: Nessa
Date: Wed, Jun 12 2002 9:45 pm
Email: Nessa <use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
well both my kids are asleep one on my left and
one on my right. Bagel has taken to running away
every chance he gets now so I have to be ever vigilant.
I have tried every type of collar around. Flat Buckle,
nylon lobster claw slip collar, harness, gentle leader.
Yesterday I watched him on a prong collar.
I SWORE I would NEVER use a prong collar.
He willingly sits to have it put on (as opposed
to fighting me when I put on the gentle leader).
He is no longer pulling on the leash when we walk.
Currently he is doing his 30 minute quiet period
next to my chair with it on since he is leashed and
he is out like a light. So is Hannah.
I tried to find them a place to play off leash tonight
since Bagel has become a happy wanderer and I
couldn't find a safe place so they didn't get as much
play as any of us would like.
I am doing my training with Janet and I am so happy.
Bagel did his sit downs tonight without much fuss and
Hannah watched from the crate. Then we let Hannah
do about 5 minutes of sit and down.
She's getting good at them.
I have been rewarding with treats and tonite I didn't
and they still did what I told them to do. with Bagel
on my left with his head facing front and Hannah on
my right with her head facing back I feel like I have
the most beautiful bookends in the world.
Life with a dog..... PRICELESS
Nessa
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From: Nessa
Date: Thurs, Jul 4 2002 8:22 am
Email: Nessa <use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 0:08:02 -0400, Jenn wrote
(in message <CSPU8.117216$Lf2.8604...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
> That aside, I crate trained both my dogs
> successfully, and used the crate to house
> train them.
Bagel is so well crate trained that in the mornings when
I make his Kong, he runs to the crate and since I am not
crating him anymore (just confining him) but I am crating
Hannah, I have to pull him out of the crate and he does not
want to get out.
BTW housebreaking with Janet is going quite well.
Nessa
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Subject: I went away for the weekend... big mistake
1 From: Nessa -
Date: Sun, Jul 21 2002 9:58 pm
Email: Nessa <use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
I went away for the weekend and I think my
dog walker will never speak to me again.
Bagel escaped from the kitchen and ate about 10
pounds of puppy food and proceeded to deposit it
all over my house.
He esp. liked my living room sofa which was my
mothers as he pulled some cu****ons off of it and
literally stood on it and peed.
Yes I know my dog has issues and I know I need help.
I think my poor dog walker needs therapy now.
It was a rough dog weekend for her and not
just with my kids.
I didn't know until the last minute I was going
away and NEXT time, the furbabies will go to
furbaby camp for the weekend.
It was too much for them.
Well live and learn.
Meanwhile, I'm still glad I went on retreat.
My house will survive as things are not im****tant.
Hannah still loves me and Bagel will talk
to me in a few days.....
Nessa
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From: Nessa (use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Where we stand/sit/down/leave it Now
Date: 2003-09-17 14:14:51 PST
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:16:04 -0400,
Charlie Wilkes wrote (in message
<6dchmvc41uetv229f7249jh60k6881i...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
> Yes, it's a huge improvement over shoving them
> in crates at night. But why does Bagel have to
> be leashed?
because he will wander the area (room if i close
the door or house if i don't) and pee and bark all
night long. but i said that already you must not
be reading for comprehension.
--
Nessa
=========
Subject: Night time barking.. Help needed
1 From: Nessa
Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 5:50 am
Email: Nessa <use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Morning all,
Bagel and Hannah are doing well except for
night time barking in the house for play time.
Problem is it that when I am trying to sleep esp.
between 1 and 5. I CAN'T just let them bark it
out (because if I could it's no biggie and I can
sleep through it).
My problem is that my next door neighbors (I live in
a townhouse) don't appreciate it (and I can't blame them).
If they are very tired after a day at the park they tend
to sleep better but I can't get them to the park now
everyday because it gets dark earlier. I try to let them
run around a bit in the neighborhood with other dogs
but it's not enough.
oh that is when the owners and I are standing there.
we try to let them all play under supervision.
I can live with the banging (as Bagel slams Hannah
into the wall or Hannah throws one of her bones down
the uncarpeted steps and they waterfall down the steps
(there is no other way to describe dogs running down
wooden steps)
I know a tired dog is a good dog. I just don't know
what to do to hold off the barking. I know they are
playing and all I can think of is the line from the kids
book Go Dog Go (one of my favorites) is:
Now it is night
Sleep dogs sleep
(btw the drawing is of all these dogs sleeping in a big bed
on the pillows like humans with their party hats on)
I'm at the point where I am considering a soft muzzle to
prevent parking. Someone has offered the use of the
shock collar to teach no bark but I don't want to do that.
I'm too sleep deprived to do anything much.
HELP!!
Nessa
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2 From: J1Boss
Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 7:48 am
Email: j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(J1Boss)
Nessa wrote:
> Problem is it that when I am trying to sleep esp.
> between 1 and 5. I CAN'T just let them bark it
> out (because if I could it's no biggie
> and I can sleep through it).
What the (*&(*)(* are they doing awake between 1 and 5?
> I can live with the banging (as Bagel slams Hannah
> into the wall or Hannah throws one of her bones down
> the uncarpeted steps and they waterfall down the steps
> (there is no other way to describe dogs running down
> wooden steps)
Baby gate. Door.
Do NOT let them wander the house getting
more charged up.
> I'm too sleep deprived to do anything much.
> HELP!!
Nessa - I would seriously consider why these dogs
are up at 1-5 and even thinking they CAN be! They
need to be confined to your room, told firmly to knock
it off, and have that backed up with some sort of
correction if they don't.
If all else fails, tether then away from each other, but
honestly, if they aren't responsive to you telling them
to cut it out, we're back to the "bigger issues" problem.
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
Maybe she can't scream at her dogs at night?
nessa CONtinues:
> A few weeks ago it started at 5:30 am and it has become
> increasingly earlier until this morning he started at 4:00.
> Ignoring him has proven to be futile, as has calming him
> down and rewarding him with a treat and, as a last resort,
> spraying him with water from a plant sprayer.
>
> This morning I even put him in his crate and took him into
> the bathroom with me as I prepared for work (normally he
> stays in a x-pen in the kitchen) but he only calmed down
> for a few minutes before the whining began again.
A 1 year old should be hanging out with you. Overnight,
around the house, and heck, even neat the bathroom while
you get ready for work..
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
Subject: Puppy license expires
1 From: Nessa
Date: Fri, Jul 26 2002 5:57 am
Email: Nessa <use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Yep, she is pretty much housebroken so I let her
out of the crate at night to sleep with me. But last
night, while I was asleep she ATE MY GL*****.
It's my fault, I left them on the night table (where I
always leave them) so I could see when I got up.
I needed a new pair but I wanted to be able to get
them without having to miss work. Now, poof here
I am gl*****less. thank goodness we have 1 hour
glass makers pretty close by.
Well she's crated now until this chewing phase is over.
Hannah will be 5 months old next week. Any advice
on how to deal with this other than the standard, no bite,
here chew this, crating, etc.
Nessa
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nessa's dogs got her EVICTED to boot <{}: ~ ( >
From: Nessa (ladybug0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Sad News.. I need someone to take my dogs
Date: 2003-08-26 09:55:03 PST
well I'm not BLAMING my job it's ONE of MANY
things that I'm considering.
As for returning them to their respective shelters,
I don't want to split them up and I'm not going to
give them to just anyone. Possibly because I am
doing everything I can to keep them and drag this
mess out as long as possible in hopes that it will
work out.
=============
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
And then janet GOT MAD at Nessa for NOT MURDERIN
her fear aggressive hyperactive HOWETA CON-TROLL dogs
in her all inclusive KILL SHELTER <{}: ~ ( >
HOWEver, janet's SKILL as a PROFESSIONAL
OBEDIENCE TRAINER ain't limited to just dogs <{}'; ~ ) >
Dogs an kats PISS an **** in your HOWESES
on accHOWENTA THEY AIN'T HAPPY.
janet sez:
> I've never had any of my pets, cats or dogs, do that.
You mean on accHOWENTA you lock them in boxes.
That's a other LIE, AIN'T IT, janet <{}'; ~ ) >
Here's janet's fear aggressive hyperactive
kats an dogs NOT PISSIN in her HOWES:
From: "Jennifer" <msjh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 13 May 2005 07:25:15 -0700
Subject: Re: diagnosis frustration
Janet B wrote:
> Even when the answers are bad, I like ANSWERS. Where
> my little Carey-kitty is involved, we never seem to have
> any. She's been "sick" for the last 3 years and we've never
> been able to figure out just what's going on with her.
> I'm trying to not add up the costs, as they just keep mounting.
I completely agree. Undiagnosable, untreatable problems are
incredibly frustrating. Thanks for hanging in there.
Your comrade in not-knowing-what-the-hell-is-
wrong-with-her-cat, Jennifer
From: Janet B <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:30:03 -0400
Subject: diagnosis frustration
Even when the answers are bad, I like ANSWERS. Where my little
Carey-kitty is involved, we never seem to have any. She's been "sick"
for the last 3 years and we've never been able to figure out just
what's going on with her. I'm trying to not add up the costs, as they
just keep mounting.
Carey is an almost 12 year old tortie with numerous problems over the
3 years, related to behavior, urinary issues, weight loss, and early
on, paralysis as well. We've had tests out the wazoo, have seen
standard general practice vets as well as a neurologist, tried various
medications, and we still have no real answers.
I'm hoping those come soon, but the preliminary aren't great choices.
After raising her Elavil level to combat inappropriate urination, she
tore her ACL. That appears to be healing slowly. She's been at the
vet numerous times in the last few weeks and we started seeing a
different vet, closer to home this week.
That was after she projectile vomited 2 meals, and was passing bloody
urine, on Monday. After a few small puddles of that, her urine was
not bloody and she was back to eating without problem. All day
Tuesday was fine. Saw vet on Wednesday, and x-rayed her bladder, and
embarked on more tests (last full bloodwork was last August). She has
a HUGE palpable thyroid gland, yet her thyroid tests (free T-4 still
waiting) have all been normal. She weighs 7# and is skin and bones,
and has been for quite a long time. She eats well (1 full can of
Trader Joe's cat food and 1/2 can Fancy Feast daily) and plays with
the other cat, loves on the dogs, etc.
5 minutes after coming home from the vet on Wednesday, she
squatted on the floor and let loose a large puddle of bloody urine.
No blood in urine since. Her urinalysis shows no issues.
Her kidneys look fine on x-rays, but her test results show renal
insufficiency, but not failure.
We're still waiting for more test results, but so far, we have no
answers. Does anyone have any thoughts?
--
From: Janet B <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:16:20 -0400
Subject: Re: diagnosis frustration
On Fri, 13 May 2005 08:57:31 -0500, kaeli
<tiny_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> I'm sorry to hear Carey has been so sick.
> My first thought was not a good one -- cancer.
Thanks. Unfortunately, that's what my vet has said as well.
Having dealt with it with a few pets now, it didn't hit me
quite like the ton of bricks as the first time I heard that
diagnosis, but it still is hard to hear that it's a potential.
The last 2 days, she's been galloping and eating and acting
like "hey - I'm ok - no problem - don't worry about me!".
She's a tough little cat, but obviously not a well one.
She's adored by all beings in this household, so we'll do
whatever we need to for her as we find out (or not) more.
Right now she's curled up with her kitty-"brother" and
seems happy as she can be.
--
Janet B
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
From: j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(J1Boss)
Date: 24 Feb 2004 16:08:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Russian Blue running away - help!
> From: "Gail" g...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I wonder if a scat mat will help. It is a mat that is
> plugged in and emits a mild shock when the animal steps
> on it. I don't know if people stepping on it will cause
> the mat harm, though.
>
> Below is a link to it. I used them near bookcases when
> one of my cats started urinating there. They were great.
> Gail
A scat mat directly in front of the door, can be stepped
OVER by the humans, but teach the cat to avoid the door area.
I think it's a great solution.
BTW they can run on a 9V battery, so no wires are needed.
They are fixtures on my leather furniture to stop kitties
from peeing there!
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
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From: j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(J1Boss)
Date: 03 Nov 2003 19:25:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Keeping cat out of room.
>From: "Iso" nos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>The mats, regardless of what you think WORK and are HARMLESS.
Just another opinion that Scat Mats are pretty useful tools.
Rather than have my youngest cat continue to ruin my
leather furniture, we have Scat Mats on the sofa and
chair.
When they are off, and we're sitting on that furniture,
Skip is allowed on and in our laps, etc. When the mats
are on, I can be happy with the fact that he's not
urinating on the leather!
The static charge isn't much at all - it's a deterrent,
and a good one.
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
From: j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(J1Boss)
Date: 04 Jun 2003 12:10:19 GMT
Subject: a few frustrations - a little long.
Mostly venting, but any thoughts are welcome!
#1 - Skipjack. 1.5 y.o. neutered male blue tabby.
Incredibly sweet and affectionate, sleeps against me
all night, on my lap every moment he can be. Eats well
(Solid Gold dry, various brands of canned - small amounts -
not much interest), uses his litter box, only scratches
his tree and a few mats that have been approved, and is
a very nice cat. Let's anyone carry him around forever
and is very social. Gets along well with 2 dogs and
another cat. But................
He also urinates on other things. Sofas (where we sit) -
frequency of maybe every few months. Wires. Phone or
speaker wires (thin), that are at floor level. Scrapes
around at them and urinates on them on hard surface flooring.
Maybe once every few weeks. Dog beds and dog's sofa
(I have baby mattress pads on these, under the covers
in order to just have to do wash!) - once every few
weeks. Guest bed - used or freshly washed sheets.
Full laundry basket - random, if available, not often.
Anything that can go in the wash has gotten soaked and
washed in hot water, Oxyclean added. Anything not machine
washable gets a thorough cleaning with Simple Solution Cat
Urine Cleaner (which I found seems to work better than Nature's
Miracle for this).
Feliway has been used to varying success.
Most recently, he urinated on a sofa cu****on within a
few hours of spraying it with Feliway.
I have 2 cats, 2 litterboxes. One crystals, which he prefers,
one scoopable, which my other cat prefers. Both are kept
incredibly clean. No problem using the box, even when workmen
were in the room - I see him use it regularly and tell him what
a good kitty he is for doing so.
A little history - when he came home at 5 months old last
February (2002), he had a bad case of the squirts and managed
to fly around with liquid poop being released all over my sofas.
We cleared that up, washed everything thoroughly (sofas have
2 sets of machine washable slipcovers, and the leather sofa
he christened has a scat mat on it now), and thought we had
conquered any problems.
He is quite the perfect cat except for this issue and it's
very random as to where and when he decides to urinate.
I'm not happy with the situation of course, and can't quite
figure out what's going on. He doesn't have a UTI and has
normal elimination patterns as far as frequency.
He does not do this in my bedroom, the other guest bedroom,
the kitchen or dining room.
If you've read this far, I have another cat and problem! ;-D
#2 Carey. Almost 10 y.o. spayed tortie. Neurological problems
(probabl brain tumor, other things ruled out). Has been on Pred
and Valium for a bit over a year, and has dropped from a bit over
9# to less than 7# (all thyroid tests came back normal).
She's a happy and sweet cat who bugs me for her pills every
morning. She has a problem with raised (even happy) voices
where she attacks the dogs. I've talked about that here before.
The dogs are saints and have never reacted adversely to her
doing this. I can pick her up during these episodes and she
doesn't attack me, but is hell bent on trying to attack the
dogs. There have been times where the dogs noises have
triggered this. She gets along well with the younger cat.
She adores the dogs otherwise, and that's really the problem
more than the attacking (we've all kind of learned to live
with that!).
She obsesses over them.
When she was a kitten, she nursed on my Golden Retriever
so much that she needed surgery for hair blockage. She
ceased the behavior until she was 5.5 and when another
dog died, then she resumed.
She transferred that to another dog after the Golden died
1.5 years later, and now it's just increased to a difficult
level.
She does this to both of my dogs, mostly at nighttime or
whenever they are napping in my bedroom. She will do it
to the one dog in other locations as well. During the day,
it's not so bad.
The dogs look confused but tolerate it, even though she's
latched onto them with her mouth and rear claws. She
attaches herself to various parts of their bodies.
Nighttime is the problem - we're not getting any sleep!
Skipjack sleeps on the bed, the dogs sleep on their dog
beds or her favorite dog sleeps under the bed.
She will not leave her alone!
Poor Lucy gets up and leaves the room, only for Carey
to follow her, and she winds up pacing around, which
keeps us awake. She just isn't deterred. She can be
lifted off, tossed off, grumbled at, but she will not
leave the dogs alone until she's good and ready.
The only rooms that can be closed off are either across
the hall or under our room. She's a very vocal cat and
will meow like crazy if confined away from everyone else,
so that won't help sleep.
Any thoughts of novel things to try with either of these
kitties? I adore them but their habits are driving me
up the wall at times!
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
From: Janet B <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 14:18:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Electric shock pad
On 8 Aug 2005 11:03:01 -0700, "mystro"
<highpur...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, clicked
their heels and said:
>I'm trying to find a link or resource for purchasing training shock
>pad,a pad that gives a slight shock using flashlight batteries and
>perfectly harmless and from what little I've read..quite effective.
>Help :)
it's called a Scat Mat. Google that and you'll find several sources.
--
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www.bestfriendsdogobedience.co m
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/
bestfriendsobedience/album
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From: j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(J1Boss)
Date: 03 Nov 2003 19:25:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Keeping cat out of room.
>From: "Iso" nos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>The mats, regardless of what you think WORK and are HARMLESS.
Just another opinion that Scat Mats are pretty useful tools.
Rather than have my youngest cat continue to ruin my
leather furniture, we have Scat Mats on the sofa and
chair.
When they are off, and we're sitting on that furniture,
Skip is allowed on and in our laps, etc. When the mats
are on, I can be happy with the fact that he's not
urinating on the leather!
The static charge isn't much at all - it's a deterrent,
and a good one.
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
From: j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(J1Boss)
Date: 04 Nov 2003 21:35:43 GMT
Subject: Re: Declawing: glad I took the time
Kaeli wrote:
> Some of us feel that declawing a cat is tantamount to torture.
> You don't torture something you profess to love. Period. You
> don't even take the chance that it might be tortured. Period.
I fully understand that (and the analogy of other groups
who feel strongly about issue "x"). I think there is a
very, very large group of people who choose or think about
declawing, do so not because they want to take a chance
that the animal they love may be tortured, but because
of a variety of experiences/advice that says it's an ok
thing to do (not torture in general - declawing!).
Take the neighbor's attitude ("just" a cat? NO cat is
"just" anything! ;-D). One shared by many, to some degree.
Lot's of priorities. Interesting thread on RPDB recently
about people willing to die/put themselves in the line of
fire for their dogs.
It was interesting to read the range of thoughts on such
a thing. Obviously, people give different weight to
different beings and things.
While I am their caregiver and friend, I don't put
pets in the same category as humans.
I declawed my first cat, because my experiences said that
is what you did with an indoor cat (had lived with many
cats owned by others). She used her claws inappropriately
as a kitten, and my meager attempts at clawing devices
didn't work, so I thought nothing of it.
Since she exhibited no obvious ill effects, my experience
(and hers as far as anyone could tell) was a positive one.
Knowing more of what it entailed, I chose not to declaw my
next cat (owned in tandem with cat #1 and then cat #3).
He was an adult acquisition and I knew such a thing would
be more difficult for him, but also, he was very trainable
and I didn't even consider it.
Cat #3 was a claw maniac, and due to my experiences with
Cat #1, I went ahead with a declaw. Once again, I have
never seen any backlashes due to the operation, and I
would put up with anything if I'm lucky enough to have
her for many more years, which isn't all that likely.
She's doing well on meds currently, and maintaining,
if not gaining any weight.
Once I was ready for cat #4, I knew that I wouldn't choose
this route again. Not because of gory pictures, not because
of scare tactics about what my declawed cat would become,
but because I realized that more tools could make the
difference and it wasn't something that I really wanted
to do.
I didn't want to cause a kitten pain (even though others
didn't seem to experience any!), nor any physical or
emotional problems. So, I have a fully clawed cat who
pees on things - oh well! ;-D He's a wonderful cat in
every other way!
> If you love your furniture more than your cat's right
> to not be mutilated, you are going to draw some venom
> in a cat newsgroup.
Again, why is it either/or?
Can't someone value their belongings and their cat too?
I choose to protect my furniture with Sticky Paws (I forgot
they were there - probably time to take them off - it's been
almost 2 years with no interest!) and with Scat Mats (not
from claws but from urine).
Some folks posting here think that's a horrible thing to do.
People who have obviously never felt a Scat Mat! But balloons,
snappy trainers, etc are recommended. A lot of contradictory
thoughts here, so I can't say that it's all rational.
Passion rarely is though - and I actually appreciate
that for the most part!
It's obvious that each one of us has our own limits.
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
gn.net/kae lisSpace
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From: j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(J1Boss)
Date: 23 Jan 2004 21:21:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Protecting leather furniture
> But would a scat mat keep a cat from clawing
> the side of the couch?
>--
>~kaeli~
no - it's only good for the pee problem!
Never showed any interest in clawing, and
"launch" marks disappeared easily, as good
leather "heals" itself.
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
From: j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(J1Boss)
Date: 2000/10/06
Subject: Re: ****na Inu Experts : Please help!
Dogman, quoting howdy-doody:
>>This is a young puppy, hardly a threat to a kat.
> See? They just cannot conceive of a cat, for example, scratching
> out the eyes of a young puppy because it didn't want to be bothered
> by an over-exurburant puppy (are there any other kinds?).
********** Jerry's never met a puppy, He's never met a
RETRIEVER PUPPY, that's pretty clear. I have a wonderfully
exhuberant retriever puppy - love every minute of it.
My 17 year old cat, doesn't have quite the same appreciation.
Sometimes, Franklin licks his ears and Robie enjoys it. Other
times, Franklin thinks Robie's another puppy and Robie does
not enjoy that. Without my supervision, confinement is only
sensible (of course).
I've got Jer-Jer kill-filed, but the glimpes at his posts, through
re-posts, are good indications that nothing has changed.
> But if a crate is a "barrier" to training a puppy, then what
> must the walls of a SCHOOL ROOM be, eh?
*********** and don't forget cribs for crawling babies, safety
gates, doors, etc. Let's just open up the houses and let everyone
run amok!
> Ladies and gentlemen, he literally counts on many of you
> being too damn stupid or ignorant to see just how little he
> actually knows about dogs, puppies, cats, etc.
> Don't let him, eh?
> Dogman
************** It's so difficult for the newbies, since so many
of the people who DO have good advice, have killfiled him.
Tired of refuting slander and general inaccuracies in his "they're
all bad, I'm good" rants (without any actual training advice, as
usual) is a reality for most.
Are there actually people, besides Marilyn, who believe him?
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
THAT was your pal DOGMAN, another pathetic
miserable stinkin rotten lyin anonymHOWES coward.
Not so handsome, not so gentle, not so manly, not so
happy jackass, not even morrison aka dogman a.k.a.
BIG DADDY, a.k.a. tommy sorenson, sez:
"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and ****n. Yep, really lean into it.
Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
make her think twice about ru****ng past you again -
- which is exactly what you want her to do.
Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.
If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.
When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and ****ge her with your knee. Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."
I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training. That is, she just
needs *more* of it."
"My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.
A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.
Okay. Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
really matters. Saving lives and making dogs become
good citizens
At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
*not* constitute a "beating."
=====================
From: dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman)
Date: 1999/01/15
Subject: Re: Another mouthy lab
Get this book:
"The Art of Raising A Puppy," by the Monks of New Skete
If you can't find it locally, you can obtain it
through my Web site (see below).
You'll need it for more than just the usual puppy
"mouthing" problems, anyway.
And good luck with your Lab puppy!
--
Dogman
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From: osi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Michael Erskine)
Date: 12 Aug 2004 10:09:05 -0700
Subject: My GSD bit me.
The question:
I have a four year old male GSD. He growls
at me sometimes. When he growls at me he
stares me in the face and lays his ears back.
The New Skete books say that the dog should not be
allowed to do that. They suggest shaking down the
dog by grabing the dog on the sides of his neck and
picking him off his front feet, then giving the dog the
same sort of treatment the dog would give another if
it were challenging him.
Namely getting in the dogs face and letting
the dog know you are the alpha dog.
Well, my dog bit me clearly he felt that I was not
convincing enough or he bit me out of fear.
Anyone got ideas on what to do with this dog that might
help him to decide that he wants to follow and that he
has nothing to fear from me?
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From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:21:14 GMT
Subject: Re: My GSD bit me.
You need to improve your acting skills. Get a werewolf
suit with blood-drenched fangs and claw gloves and THEN
go after your dog.
Knock the **** out of him and don't be afraid to crack
some ribs. Then yank the mask off and shout "SURPRISE!
IT'S ME!" I guarantee you and your dog will have a new
relation****p based on mutual respect.
Keep in mind that the monks of New Skete
were pre-Lon-Chaney.
Charlie
-----------------------
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
author: "CourteHOWES Canine."
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?
When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first
time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth
and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with
this but just ignore him and continue your normal
behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"CourteHOWES Canines"
Borrowed from: "Puppy Raising Tips" from
professional trainers, John and Amy Dahl.
"Around four months many puppies can withstand a
correction. Unfortunately this is the time they start
teething and if their mouth hurts, they may act
generally sensitive. If this is the case, be patient and
wait for all those baby teeth to fall out.
In training, retrievers often respond to physical correction
better than verbal correction. While "NO!" is extremely
useful if puppy is about to bite an electrical cord or steal
food off the table, when you are teaching them something
(like obedience) a sharp jerk on their lead or swat with a
stick gets the message across with less emotion and less
effect on their confidence.
If they drop the dummy and act like their mouth hurts
when they are teething, stop all retrieving and wait for
their mouth to feel better. A correction should be just
severe enough to get the dog to respond.
Repeated weak corrections are very stressful to the dog."
================
"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog
I Do Not Believe There Is A Single Cir***stance
Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything But
Destructive," "I don't see why anyone would want
to choke or beat a dog, or how any trainer could
possibly get a good working dog by making them
unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying
frosty dahl.
lying frosty dahl sez she doesn't twist:
"None of my posts, prior to or subsequent to
Jerry Howe's attacks, encourage anyone to
twist ears, beat dogs, confront, intimidate,
frighten, or any of the crap he constantly
attributes to me," lying frosty dahl.
lying frosty dahl, oakhill kennels wrote:
Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield
the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable
dogs may require you to progress to striking them
more sharply
Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and
the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist!
Eventually, the dog will give in
but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
instead of your thumb even get a studded collar
and pinch the ear against that
Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so
urgent that resisting your will fades in im****tance.
CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready
Right Hand, As it catches on, try using the stick
and no ear pinch.
When the dog is digging out to beat the stick
and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch,
you are finished
If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin,
say "No! Hold!"
(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because
the ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided
it isn't worth it)" lying frosty dahl.
"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."
"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.
"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to
it. When he barks, use the line for a correction.-
if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar," Lynn K.
"Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.
<except when it is>
"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs. It's a safety
necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
"Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.
<except when it is>
"So what? Whoever said that it's right to
always not confront? We sure can try, but
a dog who knows a command and growls when
given it is certainly being confrontational".
You can't simply walk away and pretend it
didn't happen or leave it for later work in
every situation." Lynn K.
--------------------
"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.
And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.
Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."
Lynn K.
----------------
"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.
Should I have refused to groom them?
Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."
Lynn K.
----------------
I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
you'd be singing a different tune?
"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
for the trash company to come and dispose of.
No different tune," ~Emily
~emily is a vivisectionist for a med research laboratory.
HOWEDY janet,
Looks like you and your pals have gone totally INSANE again:
Janet B wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:44:14 -0500, Janet B
> <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, clicked their
> heels and said:
>
> Since you quoted me repeatedly, where does it say
> I beat dogs, choke dogs, scream at dogs, etc? Thanks
> for your clarification.
responding to my own post, I had to go back and look
at the original post, to remind myself what "we" are all
accused of doing:
"screaming, choking,
shocking, pinching, beating
the living crap out of your dogs"
Scream? no
Choke? no
Shock? e-collars are a lot more sophisticated than that
Pinch? if you want to classify a momentary discomfort
by a prong collar, go ahead, but unless you have first
hand experience with one, your opinion means nothing
Beat the living crap out of? hardly - no hitting exists
"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
professora gingold.
"BethF" <b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message
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Kyle, FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
and i often call my little dog the turd, because
he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
would insult my dog like that so i guess its just a
matter of personality.
Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away is to
step on him once. Seriously.
"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most
Of The Dogs I Have In Cl***** Just Aren't That
Interested In Praise."
"BethF" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:uohnj3r4a4e85e@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maybe that's what we should do - hold back the dobie
girl so that Izzy can put Simon in his place.
"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.
"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without
starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll
state my opinion once and won't defend it further:
any method can be cruel for some dogs.
Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at
the beginning, but we've come a long way since then.
She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.
Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
never been punished, even in the mildest way, for
not coming.
Is it time for that?
What might I look for to tell?"
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
and the vet agrees.
--Lia
"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help:
http://tinyurl.com/fbqnw
THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
ASYLUM ESCAPEES.
"Tricia9999" <tricia9...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:20021117101433.10365.00000067@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> how effective are these electronic fences in
> keeping a dog on a property????
Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
too scared to go out in the yard anymore.
Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
because the dog got caught right in the path of
the shock and will now not go near his person,
won't go outside.
Just hides under a desk in the house.
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"micha el" spam_yurs...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
in message
news:yIydnZpPsIzg6l_d4p2dnA@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
it felt like to me when I got shocked by
Hope's collar.
It felt like a bomb going off in my
hand and forearm.
--------------------------
Amy Dahl writes:
"From where I sit, there is a difference. I haven't noticed
any of the contingent who like Koehler trying to force
their method on everyone, or calling others names because
they do not use the method.
I personally believe the Koehler method is a more
humane way of teaching than any alternative I have
studied.
And I am not averse to learning--I have studied a
number of methods.
Koehler, of course, stops far short of the specialized
work I do with retrievers, and some of the things in his
book, such as making the dog walk behind the handler
on the "finish," are inappropriate for retriever work.
Why do I think Koehler's method is more humane than others?
First, I don't believe "corrections vs. no corrections" is as
significant to dogs as it is to people. Applied correctly,
Koehler's method uses *no* intimidation, fear, or emotional
manipulation. It is clear and definite, and the handler's
actions are always predictable. The method is masterfully
designed to prevent confrontation or vying for control in
any way. It places high demands of responsibility on the
trainer, and takes a great deal of commitment to do correctly,
so it is not for the casual "dabbler." When done well,very
few corrections are needed.
In brief, I think the clarity, predictability, and absence
of emotional blackmail weigh more strongly in the method's
favor, than the occasional brief unpleasantness of correction
weighs against it." lying frosty dahl.
----------------------------
YOU MEAN LIKE THIS?:
"Amy Dahl" <a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:44D8F590.F1179CAD@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> diddy wrote:
>> []
>> >> They just aren't my thing. I DO like working with
>> >> soft dogs. And I guess I've never met a soft Lab.
>> >> They remind me of lumber wagons.
>
>> > Well, there are many such Labs, but they probably
>> > weren't field-bred.
>
> IME there are lots of soft Labs, and some of the recent
> field-bred dogs are among the worst. In the 60's, when
> you worked with them, if I understand correctly, they
> were probably more consistently tough and resilient.
>
> That's the traditional nature of the breed.
>
> Trainer Mike Lardy thinks we are getting the softer,
> more sensitive dogs today because training methods
> using modern e-collars are so much better and more
> gentle than they used to be, it doesn't take a tough
> dog to come through training in good shape. I think
> it's a plausible argument.
>
> Doesn't fit the stereotype the ignorant have of e-collars.
> We still get a few that are happy and eager no
> matter what we do to them.
> Amy Dahl
----------------------
Of curse, those methods sometimes end in disaster:
"Nelson is definately the real deal," lynn k:
From: Lynn Kosmakos
Date: Fri, Nov 3 2000 1:41 am
Email: Lynn Kosmakos <lkosma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Lori wrote:
> There is no TEMPERMENT too good to ruin OR
> too bad to save. The dog's heart & soul become
> reflex reaction to it's treatment.
Lori, I sincerely wish that were true. (the too bad
to save part)
There is innate temperament that is not shaped by treatment.
The dogs our rescue gets from horrible abuse cases
quickly proves that.
OTOH, I also see dogs that have never had a
single triggering incident who cannot be saved.
I've got such a client right now, a 9 month old
GSD who we've been fighting to save for months.
He's been seen by Jean Donaldson and Leslie Nelson
and a slew of others, and has received nothing by loving
care all his life.
His littermates are normal, his breeding excellent, and
there was no triggering event or medical cause. As
much as it breaks my heart, the dog cannot be saved.
Lynn K.
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.
\
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
>> I do know that hitting, hurting your dog
>> will often make the dog either aggressive
>> or a fear biter, neither of which we want
>> to do.
>
> And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
> No matter what Jerry Howe states.
>
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> doubt, please provide a quote (an
> original quote, not from one of Jerry
> Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> shows a regular poster promoting or
> using an abusive form of training.
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> What's the point, but: Refer me to those posts of
> which you have read so many. While you're going
> through them, point out those which recommend
> shocking, and pinching, and beating. Thank you.
> --
> -Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
> Rocky wrote:
> "Deltones" <vibrov...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > After your defense of "Limited" choking, what
> > would be the point? Where I come from, choking
> > is choking. It's never limited.
>
> So, you can't point out abuse where none occurs.
> Thank you for your contribution.
>-
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky (2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: How to handle aggressive situations
Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST
Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> I try really hard not to yell. The times that I have,
> Solo joined in and then lunged to the end of the
>leash.
Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
others' dogs at agility trials or training.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
---------------
Sometimes my "voice of god" startles human
and dog, especially when the human didn't
see the inappropriate behaviour. --Matt.
Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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Rosa Palmén wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> Anybody else got bilingual dogs?
Long ago my Hebrew was pretty good - but now I
only use "Chutza"(throat clearing 'ch') - "Out" when
it's reallyreally im****tant that my dogs get away from
something.
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp
Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't
Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't Take It. I Still
Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My
Cat," Melanie Lee Chang * mch...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Canine Behavioral Genetics Project
University of California, San Francisco
http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 10 Jun 2003 18:00:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Absolutely abysmal agility day
Robin Nuttall said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> One of the things that frustrates me the most about
> agility is that people seem to think that ALL dogs
> are fragile, shrinking flowers who cannot be
> corrected in any way.
Well, maybe one day -- when Friday doesn't take
correction so much to heart -- I'll try something
different. Right now, he's just getting the confidence
to work a few jumps ahead of me.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"I crate Rocky, even though he's 8.5 years old, but
only when I'm gone during summertime days -
maybe an hour at the most. (Other than hot days,
my dogs are always with me.)
While Friday has been totally reliable unsupervised
from the day I got him from a rescue, Rocky has not.
Rocky will go looking for food even in areas where
there's no possibility of food.
The good thing is that he likes his crate, runs for
it when I ask, and gets food when he's in it.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!
From: Rocky (mbon...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Leg Humper
Date: 1999/09/14
Bioso...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Jerry Howe) wrote in
<37D698CF.405B0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
> By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume
> that you are suggesting that the people knee the
> dog in the chest. If that's what you meant, just
> say it, instead of beating around the bush to avoid
> criticism from people like me. That kind of crap has
> got to stop, and that's why I'm here, to help wean
> you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods
> of dealing with behavior problems.
Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation
up until this last paragraph.
Why did you blow it?
--Matt
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 16 Sep 2003 03:47:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Dominant Agressive Puppy????
Nessa said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> the only thing I remember learning from a spanking
> was to run faster than my dad and NOT GET
> CAUGHT. so what does that say?
I learned to put a comic book down the back of my
pants. And sometimes my parents pretended not to
notice. In retrospect, that's pretty cool.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Melinda Shore wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > But he's the one producing the training
> > MATTerial.
> Ack. You just gave him some moore ammunition.
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Oh? You mean LIKE THIS, matty?:
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 15 May 2005 16:03:05 GMT
Subject: Re: What does "bupkis" really mean
shelly said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> you've just described elliott. i don't think Lucy would
> have had a clue what to do with him, though. while he's
> easy and forgiving in terms of handling, i think his prey
> drive and dog aggression would've had her in tears.
Hmm. You've got a point. Rocky is dog-dominant, a
surprise to almost everyone - some of whom know him
very well. I wonder how well Lucy reads dog? If she
can't, she'd get some ugly surprises.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHHAHAAA!!!
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 24 Mar 2005 17:16:47
Subject: Re: help with identifing a dog breed
A mature dog comfortable in its surroundings often
won't need to physically assert its dominance.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 22 Dec 2004 16:58:38 GMT
A Useful Dog
.... Rocky, OTOH, I crate when a new dog is introduced -
while he's quick to back off in times of trouble, he's
fairly dominant. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAHAAAA!!!
"dallygirl" <kwickw...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> choke chains are outdated and barbaric in many
> cases causing more harm than good.
Back at you with flat buckle collars. These are an
incredibly abused training tool, what with the number
of handlers I see pulling back and jerking on the leash
with both hands.
It's a good thing that most of us are here because of
dogs' well-being and not an agenda.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA!!!
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