On Jul 2, 11:54=A0am, "Bad Puppy" <BadAssedD...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
> HOWEDY jerry,
>
> WELCOME BAAAAACK~!
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 AGAIN~!
>
> On Jul 2, 1:16 pm, Jerry <jerrya...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > I have a 2 year old lab that was housebroken. During the past few
> > months he has become stubborn about going potty outside.
>
> AGAIN?? That's QUEER, AIN'T IT?
>
> It's ALL critter's NORMAL NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE
> REFLEXIVE TERRORTERIAL IMPERATIVE to NOT FHOWEL
> =A0HIS OWN HOWES, jerry.
>
> > When I take him out he'll pee but refuses to poop unless I send him
> > back. Sometimes he'll still refuse. We bring him back in and within
> > 10 minutes he'll poop in the house.
>
> Naaaaah?:
>
> From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
> Subject: Doggy advice
>
> Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
> I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
> habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
>
> I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
> way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
> fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
> competent at living with dogs.
>
> I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
> on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
> dogs doing this and that, for example:
>
> whining,
> humping, hunching,
> pacing,
> self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
> spinning,
> prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
> overstimulated barking,
> fighting, bullying other dogs,
> compulsive digging,
> compulsive scratching,
> compulsive chewing,
> frantic behavior,
> chasing light, chasing shadow,
> stealing food,
> digging in garbage can,
> loosing house (toilet) training.
> inappropriate fearfulness
> aggression.
>
> The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
> graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
> the intervening time working with animals (including the
> human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
> in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
> see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
>
> You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
> animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
>
> As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
> nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
> is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
> care.
>
> George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
> Academy of Behavioral Medicine you may find my resume
> in Who's Who in Science and Technology I have been listed
> =A0in Who's Who in the S & SE USA since 1982, and in the big
> books, Who's Who in the USA, WW in the World, WW in
> Medicine =A0etc, and WW in Science and Technology, since that date.
>
> These are the Marquis Publications, the "real" WW, and
> you can't get yourself into them.
>
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>
> > We've corrected him and cleaned the area and he still does it.
>
> Oh well, THAT'S HOWE COME he "makes mistakes":
>
> A. S. Neill, The Famous Founder of The Summerhill
> School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back
> In The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They
> Wet The Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass And Their
> Behaviour Would Stop, - As If By MAGICK!
>
> "Postitive emotions arising in connection
> with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
> of its pragmatic significance at a given
> moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
> emotions, not outside rewards, are what
> reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
>
> Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH,
> That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And
> Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The
> Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies.
>
> "All animals learn best through play," Lorenz.
>
> The Embry Study:
> "While some may find it strange that reprimands
> might increase the chances of a child going into
> the street, the literature on the experimental analysis
> of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention
> to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of
> more inappropriate behavior.
>
> Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason
> with their children about da****ng into the street will
> likely to have the opposite impact.
>
> Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it."
>
> Source:
>
> "Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to
> Preschoolers by Parent Training and Symbolic
> Modeling for Children: An Experimental Analysis
> in the Natural Environment. Research Re****t
> Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."
>
> > We've left him outside for a few hours and when we bring
> > him back inside he'll still do it. We've been working with
> > him on this since it started and are quite fed up with it.
>
> Naaaaah??
>
> "The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
> technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
> (1966) re****t a standard contingent reward/punishment
> procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
> disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
> six days the boys are re****ted to have been learning
> new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
> were moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and
> learning immediately deteriorated.
>
> Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement
> model" proposed by Skinner (1963) are no more well
> established in research than the various dynamic
> therapists."
>
> Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of
> programmed systems for learning; 2) reinforcement;
> 3) cognitive dissonance; and 4) motivation, MOST
> SURELY DEMOLISH the claims of operant programers."
>
> "It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
> deviant behavior of children can be achieved
> through brief, simple educative routines with
> their mothers which modify the mother's social
> behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966).
>
> Some clinics have re****ted ELIMINATION of the
> need for child THERAPY through changing the
> clinical emphasis from clinical to parental
> HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965).
>
> A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
> preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
> of children was required, and almost ALL cases
> SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
> Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
> treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
> the parents tem****arily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
> SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
>
> B.F. Skinner: Re-evaluation of Punishment:
> Punishment, unfortunately traditionally overused,
> actually has been proven not effective at long-
> term behavioral change, and creatures will find
> other ways of getting what it wants. In "Freedom
> and the control of men" American Scholar, Winter
> 1955-56, 25, 47-65. 1956 he states:
>
> If we no longer resort to torture in what we call
> the civilized world, we nevertheless still make
> extensive use of punitive techniques in both
> domestic and foreign relations. And apparently for
> good reasons. Nature if not God has created man
> in such a way that he can be controlled punitively.
>
> People quickly become skillful punishers (if not,
> thereby, skillful controllers), whereas alternative
> positive measures are not easily learned.
>
> The need for punishment seems to have the sup****t
> of history, and alternative practices threaten the
> cherished values of freedom and dignity.
>
> Fear involved with punishment causes frustration:
> with typical results loathing, hostility and apathy.
> Skinner's teaching on the superiority of posittive
> reinforcement's benefits for keeping desired behavior
> have proved very valuable.
>
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>
> "Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
> reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
> THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
> Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
> HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
> reward not received is experienced as a punishment
> and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
> (Azrin et al, 1966)."
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 "Motivation Of The Resistance To Coercion "-- PAVLOV:
>
> "Reflexes of purpose and freedom" in the comparative
> physiology of higher nervous activity, Institute of
> Higher Nervous Activity and Neurophysiology, Academy
> of Sciences, Moscow:
>
> The most complex unconditioned "reflexes of aim and
> freedom," discovered by I.P. Pavlov, are compared
> with the "competence drive" and the "motivation of the
> resistance to coercion," respectively, described by
> contem****ary ethologists.
>
> On the basis of the unconditioned "reflex of purpose,"
> conditioned reflexes were developed in which positive
> emotions arising in connection with the perfection of
> a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at
> a given moment, serve as the reinforcement.
>
> The unconditioned "reflex of freedom" is regarded as a
> phylogenetic precursor of the will, and its acute extinction
> as the physiological mechanism of hypnosis. It was
> demonstrated experimentally that the appearance of the
> state of "animal hypnosis" (immobilization catatonia) in
> rabbits is accompanied by the predominance of electrical
> activity and heat production in the right hemisphere, i.e.,
> by symptoms which are found in hypnosis in man.
>
> Simonov PV</h4>
> Publication Types:<ul><li>Review</li><li>Review,
> tutorial</li></ul>PMID: 2215892, UI: 91015681</blockquote>
> <doctype>
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=3D2215892&am
> p;form=3D6&db=3Dm&Dopt=3DbNeurosciBehavPhysiol1990May-Jun;
> 20(3):230-5
>
> "...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
> itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
> change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
> inhibition and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov
>
> In the followin SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH STUDY you may
> substitute pronged spiked pinch or slip choke collars for shock
> and add PUNISHMENT, SCOLDING, CRATING, and offering
> and witholding rewards, attention, and affection:
>
> Psychological Effects
>
> At issue is the question, --Do electronic training
> devices elicit psychological responses?
>
> "This section cites several research studies in which the
> psychological impact of the use of electronic training devices
> was analyzed. It is difficult, at best, for anyone to determine
> the full psychological effect of these devices or training methods
> until we can ...
>
> read more =BB
Yes, that situation is very strange. Where does the Lab eat? In the
house. Usually a dog will not poop where they are fed or sleep. Keep
him outside until he goes and then praise him for going outside.
Good luck
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