HOWEDY paul e. schoen you pathetic miserable stinkin
rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active acute
chronic life-long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
MENTAL CASE,
"Paul E. Schoen" <pstech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>
> "diddy" <none> wrote in message
> news:Xns9AD161905C9CDdiddydiddynet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> "Paul E. Schoen" <pstech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spoke these words of wisdom in
>> news:486dc229$0$2709$ecde5a14@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> This is interesting, and with Muttley, he is now usually eating the
>>> entire 3/4 cup of food I put down for him, twice daily, soon after I
>>> give it to him. But if I go away, usually most of it will be there
when
>>> I return, and often he waits until I eat something, and then he eats.
That's common amongst dogs who are INSECURE and ABUSED.
They refuse to eat unless they KNOW their ABUSER will provide
more for them.
>>> I think it is a social thing,
No, paulie, that's an ABUSE thing.
>>> where he likes to eat when I do.
Eating amongst dogs is a COMPETETION THING, paulie.
>>> When Lucky was here,
Pssst? Perhaps YOU FORGOT you GOT RID of "Lucky"
to a "KILL SHELTER" where she was "PLACED within
WON WEEK" on accHOWENTA YOU COULDN'T
TRAIN YOUR DEAD DOG "LUCKY" to get along with
your OPPOSITE *** dog Muttley nodoGdameneD better
than you could TRAIN your "RESCUE" dog Muttley not
to attack your DEAD KAT Photon nodoGdameneD better
than you could train your DEAD KAT Photon not to attack
your DEAD KAT Meson??
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>>> he would try to eat it all, but then when I put more in the
>>> bowl, he would let her eat, IIRC. So in that case, it was probably a
>>> little show of dominance.
MALE dogs DO NOT demonstrate "DOMINANCE" to female
dogs, paulie, they ALWAYS DEFER to the FEMALE; it's NATURAL
LAW, paulie.
>> I;m glad you are ****tioning Muttley's food to what sounds like a
>> reasonable amount.
Seems diddler's dogs got the OPPOSITE problem, eh, paulie?
MOST of you "DOG LOVERS" got dogs with eatin problems.
<snip IDIOCY>
> I found this information:
<snip IDIOT links>
If you're talkin abHOWET bones or rawhide THROW THEM
ALL HOWET. They can kill your dogs in a variety of ways.
Here's some CASE HISTORY DATA:
Email Received on March 15, 2003-
"I just wanted to let everyone know that gives their
dogs rawhide to NEVER give it again. Our 8 month old
Golden Retriever died last night because he dug up an
old rawhide and choked to death.
We are devastated and hope to let everyone we know the
dangers of rawhide. I wish my vet would have stressed
it more.
With sadness,
K. Donnelly
GDonn0309@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"
Subject: Re: bones - yes? no? raw? cooked?
Chewin nearly ANYTHING will clean teeth.
Saying that swallowing rawhide is a minimal
risk to dogs heelth is INSANE as turnin an
untrained dog loose in traiffic or disagreeing
with The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >
Sayin that rawhide cleans teeth is irrelevent
unless it's COMPARED to SUMPTHIN ELSE.
Dental DIS-EASE is CAUSED by STRESS and
POOR DIET as in commercial foods.
Heelthy dogs do not NEED their teeth cleaned.
Please pass this page on to all dog owners. It could
save a dog's life one day! Please link to this page on
your website by uploading these images to your web
server. Just "right click" and "save as". Link them back
to http://www.christyscanines.com/rawhide.htm
Email Received on September 9th, 2003-
"My healthy 3 year old lab died of salmonella poisoning a
few months ago. I couldn't understand how she got it, until
my vet told me that rawhides are frequently contaminated
with salmonella.
Like most Lab's she was a tenacious chewer, so I bought
her rawhides to chew on. Little did I know it would end
up killing her."
Gina ****to
Email Received on March 15, 2003-
"I just wanted to let everyone know that gives their dogs
rawhide to NEVER give it again. Our 8 month old Golden
Retriever died last night because he dug up an old rawhide
and choked to death.
We are devastated and hope to let everyone we know the
dangers of rawhide. I wish my vet would have stressed
it more.
With sadness,
K. Donnelly
GDonn0309@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"
Is rawhide good for your dog?
It's cheap, it's in all the pet stores and you just know
little Rover has to chew on something! But before you go
dig up a bone for your beloved family member, let's look
at the facts:
What is rawhide?
According to a company who makes and markets
many types of doggy chews:
"Rawhide is the inner layer of the hide of any cleft-
hoofed bovine livestock."
Rawhide is literally the outside of a cow - the skin. It
provides dogs with a satisfying chewing experience plus
it's cheap and easy to find. So how can it be dangerous?
How is Rawhide made?
A rawhide manufacturer states on their website:
"The animal's hide is trans****ted to processing plants
where it is split, washed, and cleaned. The hides are
then cut, formed and dried into many varieties of rawhide
you see in the stores. In less developed countries a lack
of modern roads and refrigeration trucks often requires
the use of preservatives to get skins from outer-lying
areas to processing plants."
Many Rawhides are im****ted from other countries.
"Products marked "im****ted" have been hand-selected by
our staff from reputable companies whose manufacturing
rocesses meet our high standards."
Im****ted Rawhides:
'Tests on im****ted pet products made from animal hides by UK
health authorities revealed many carried the salmonella bug,
a common cause of gastro-intestinal infections in humans."
"They found that one in three batches im****ted
from Thailand and one in eight from China contained
salmonellas that had survived processing and manufacturing"
"Doctors warned that small children might be at most
risk of infection, since they were especially likely
to come into close contact with dogs and their chews."
*Reference*
"Salmonella bacteria is often present especially if the
rawhide comes from outside the US. Another problem is
arsenic used as a preservative.
This is, in essence, giving your pet poison!
Other dangerous additives can include antibiotics,
lead and insecticides. Some countries like Thailand
even include pieces of dog and cat skin in these products.
~Veterinary Q & A: Pancreatitis in Dogs and Cat
"Dog chews made from rawhide, bone or other animal
materials or parts are still considered "food" under
FDA law, since they are comprised of materials that
are consumable by the pet." ~Food & Drug Administration
"Rawhide is not a food, but a safe chewable toy that can
be, and most often is, consumed." ~ A rawhide manufacturer.
I don't know about you, but I don't like
companies lying to me to buy their products!
What can happen if my dog consumes rawhide?
Health problems from rawhide chews include sore throat,
choking, intestinal blockage as well as the acute pancreatitis
Symptoms of acute pancreatitis can vary from mild
gastrointestinal upset to collapse and death. Most
animals with common gastrointestinal upset have any
or all of the following:
Vomiting
Not eating
Painful abdomen, hunched appearance (more common in dogs)
Fever or below-normal body temperature
Diarrhea
Depression
Dehydration (diagnosed by sunken eyes, dry
mouth and the skin "tents" when pinched)"
Rawhide is "digested quite slowly and, if consumed
rapidly, can cause either vomiting or diarrhea from
the many pieces still sitting undigested in the GI tract.
"Rawhide chews can lodge in the throat and cause
choking, or a large piece may be swallowed, scraping
and irritating the throat and esophagus on the way down.
Once in the stomach or intestinal tract, a large piece of
rawhide can also create a physical obstruction." *Reference*
What about cow hooves and pig ears?
"Cow hooves are even more dangerous than rawhides. They are
hard enough that a dog can actually break a tooth on one.
They can also be chewed up into sharp fragments which may
cause a partial intestinal obstruction.
Partial obstructions are often difficult to diagnose until
the point at which the fragment is ready to perforate the
wall of the bowel from pressure against the sharp edges.
If perforation has occured, the infection that ensues from
leakage of intestinal contents can be fatal." *Reference*
A recent FDA advisory published by the U.S. Dept. of
Health and Human services on Oct.1, 1999, stated that
there is "a nationwide public health warning alerting
consumers about a number of recent cases in Canada of
human illnesses apparently related to contact with dog
chew products made from ****k or beef-derived materials
(e.g., pigs ears, beef jerky treats, smoked hooves, pigs
skins, etc.)... These products may pose a risk of bacterial
infection such as Salmonella infantis which can cause flu-
like symptoms in normally healthy people, but may cause
far more serious - even life-threatening injury in immune-
compromised patients.
FDA is urging pet owners... to handle them carefully.
Anyone who comes in contact with these treats should
wash their hands with hot water and soap. Initial
re****ts of illnesses came from Canada and involved
Canadian products, but subsequent examination of
similar products produced in the U.S. indicate that
all pet chew products of this type may pose a risk...."
There are also behavior problems that occur while your
dog is happily chewing on a piece of animal. This item
can quickly become a valuable toy and Rover can become
quite possessive of his animal hide.
I have been snarled and growled at on many occasions
while my dog was snacking on her "precious bone".
Anything that is made with real animals can cause
this problem.
What if a child was playing on the floor and the
loving and protective family dog was next to her,
chewing on a rawhide bone, and the child reaches
for her toy next to Rover? Rover only thinks that
she is going to try to steal his "precious" so he
suddenly becomes protective of his bone and snaps!
The child can be seriously hurt and Rover could be destroyed!
As Rover saw it, he only knows how to be a dog and
his bone was in jeopardy! Rover could even have
been trained from a puppy that any human can take
his food away, yet when basic and natural instincts
kick in he knows only what he can do to survive and
keep his food.
If you give rawhide to your dog, you need to constantly
monitor his chewing, throwing away small pieces, watch
for adverse effects to his health, and keep hands clear
of his mouth!
Why bother??
To solve all of these problems, it's best not to take any chances.
Just throw them away and never buy them again.
Rover won't miss, them, I promise!
That includes all rawhide chews, pig ears, beef bones,
cow hooves, and anything that was ever part of a living
animal!
So what can my dog chew on that's safe?
There are lots of safe alternatives to rawhides including
vegetable and meat-flavored bones made from potato and corn
starch and bones made from extremely strong rubber infused
with flavorings.
Greeniesā are all natural and safe and my dog loves them &
great for their teeth! Millions of dogs have confirmed that
Kong is "THE WORLD'S BEST DOG TOY!"
The alternatives are more expensive than rawhide but you will
save money on possible future vet bills or even saving your
dog's life!
*Before changing anything in your dog's diet, please
remember to consult your Veterinarian. They can give
you the best advice on what's best for your pet! All
opinions and views are expressly written by Renee
Christy and are not sponsored or the same views as
the other links on this page.*
Do you have a rawhide story? Maybe something happened to
your dog? Would you like the world to know about the dangers
or rawhide? Send us your story here: renee AT christyscanines
DOTcom
Please pass this page on to all dog owners. It could
save a dog's life one day! Please link to this page
on your website by uploading these images to your web
server. Just "right click" and "save as". Link them
back to http://www.christyscanines.com/rawhide.htm
> The chips I have been giving him are these (which were on sale at
Tractor
> Supply for %5):
>
http://theconsumerlink.stage.suresource.com/product_detail.asp?BID=Hartz&T1=TCL+7634702370&navStart=103&.
You're a IMBECILE, paulie.
> I tried dogpiling for "rawhide chip calories" and found one site that
said
> they were 15 calories per piece, and in general they were touted as low
> fat and high in protein and fiber.
>
> http://www.drsfostersmith.com/pic/article.cfm?aid=446
They SELL rawhides, paulie. They likeWIZE SELL shock and
pronged spiked pinch choke collars and toxic pharmacuticals.
> However, I also saw references to allow the dog to chew only one or two
> hours on rawhide, and to take it away when it got small enough to
swallow,
> and to replace it after a few days
> because of dirt and bacteria concerns.
EXXXCESSIVE chewin is an OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE DISORDER.
> But Muttley takes at most about 5 minutes to completely devour a chip
> about 3 or 4 inches square, and he will completely eat a fairly large
> twisted rawhide "bone" in about an hour.
That could KILL him, paulie.
> So those are probably not good. A pound or so of rawhide is definitely
too
> much.
Accordin to the POSTED CASE HISTORY DATA, NO
rawhide is GOOD for ANY critter, paulie <{}: ~ ( >
>>> I'll check his weight again in a week or so. The vet says he has a
very
>>> stocky build and was not really concerned with his weight.
>
>> You need another vet. He's not being honest with you. If you really
like
>> him, CALL him on his lying to you. Be frank. Tell
>> him you appreciate honesty and if he's honest with you, you will reward
>> him with your patronage.
Yeah, you an diddler talkin abHOWET "HONESTY" is OBSCENE.
<snip IDIOCY>
> Dr. Dawn Johnston at Companion Animal Care seems to be a
> good vet, and has done much for FARM, the rescue that assisted
> with Muttley and the rest of his "pack", and also Lucky:
>
> http://www.companionanimalcare.com/
> http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/thefarm.html
>
> However, I did think it was a bit odd that, after she said his weight
was
> OK, that if I was serious about him losing weight that she could
prescribe
> something. Maybe I didn't understand
> her correctly. Either he is overweight or not, and there is no
> need for a prescription unless he is, and the usual methods of reduced
> calories and increased exercise don't work.
Naaaah? Hey paulie? Do you suppHOWES she was TRYIN to
NOT HURT your SENSITIVE FEELINS knowin the kinda pathetic
miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin coward you are?
> I think I will visit a couple of other vets in the area to get their
> opinions.
You don't think it's QUEER that your EXXXPERT veterinary
malpracticioner would offer to SELL you a DIET PRESCRIPTION
for a dog who "DON'T NEED TO LOSE WEIGHT", paulie?
>> If he stabilizes at about 80, or I can gradually get him down to 75,
that
>> should be fine.
That so?
>>> I took him on the NCRR trail a few days ago, for about 2 miles, and he
>>> enjoyed that, and became tail-wagging buddies with another
>>> dog we encountered. On Tuesday a tree fell on a wire and knocked
>>> out power and Warren Road was blocked, so we had a rare op****tunity to
>>> walk safely on the road.
You mean, on accHOWENTA you don't have to WORRY
abHOWET Muttley pullin your crippled body into traffic?
>>> Muttley met some young girls, and although he was initially
>>> fearful, he tolerated them petting him (they asked first).
Naaaah? That's QUEER, AIN'T IT, paulie??
>>> Then he mostly ignored them.
You mean, bein the AFFECTIONATE dog he is?
Hey paulie? Do you remember when diddler wanted you to
MURDER HIM just like HOWE janet recommended you to?
>>> They remarked how well-behaved he was, and he did
>>> sit when told.
AMAZING~!
>>> Paul and Muttley
>
>> Well done!
Oh, INDEEDY~!
> Thanks for your encouragement. You have the ability to give
> opinions and advice very directly, without scolding or being derisive,
or
> predicting that I won't do anything to correct the situation.
Yeah. diddler's got LOTS of ADVICE, paulie:
"diddy" <none> wrote in message
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dog trainer must succeed. By nature, "Command" mentality
makes dog trainers a curmudgeonly lot. The deeper a dog
behavior digs in, the more willing a good trainer is to do
what it takes to uproot the undesired behavior.
This willingness to tackle what results in a battle of wills
is well pronounced in dog trainers. And if you think that's
something, try horse trainer lists, where the ante is upped X
1000 pounds and poor results can KILL you!
However, "nice little horsey " types are rarely successful
in horse training and rather self extingui****ng bringing
about more moderation in established techniques.
BWEEEAAAAHAHAAA~!
"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated cir***stances.
A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.
I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS?:
Subject: Re: untrainable beagle! NEED HELP
"diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> in thread news:BO2Lg.4755$xV.1684@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"graham
> fandango!" <gmey...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled the following words:
> i have a ten year old beagle who i got from the animal
> shelter 5 years ago. its pretty clear he was abused in
> some form before he ended up in the shelter; when ever
> i reach for something, like the tv remote, too quickly he
> flinches. he gets scared when i sweep the kitchen floor
> and hides under the bed.
I have one too. I don't know her past history, or her age.
I use an antibark collar on her for my sanity. She's very
quiet, until I take it off. It doesn't train her not to bark,
because she barks when the collar is off. (beagles "Do
that")
There may not even be batteries in it, but she doesn't
bark... just in case.I'd supervise the first time you try
it, because I've heard of some dogs barking, and going
so spazzy over them that they died.
I really don't think you are going to train a dog that
age, especially a beagle, NOT to bark. I see your
options as being:
1) anti-bark collar
a)citronella
b)electronic
c)bark buster (your neighbors will
probably complain asmuch about
that as the howlng)
2) surgical debarking
3) placing the dog and accepting the consequences
4) moving
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"diddy" <none> wrote in message
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<barney...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spoke these words of wisdom in news:
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> The shock is minimal and nothing to worry about.
> There are 2 different types that frequent this group:
> the high falutin city folk that believe dogs should be
> treated like children, and the answer for any problem
> is "enroll them in class and spend $300 to teach them
> not to do it, and put them in time-out, but be sure
> their paw socks are on before stepping outside if under
> 50 degrees, etc."
First, I know of a dog with an antibark collar, who
protested so violently, he spazzed out and killed himself.
He was found dead in his kennel the next morning.
What dog training schools charge $300?
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"Cappy the beagle killed one of my ducklings today.
Tuck grabbed a leg, and swallowed a leg and thigh
before I could get him.
a month ago, he almost died from swallowing a
chicken wing. Now I'm sweating all over again.
I think he's never going to be allowed out ever
again without a muzzle! (he seems alright thus far.
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
Re: Tuck's SAR experience
"diddy" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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I just came in from putting chickens to bed, and Tuck
had my computer keyboard on the floor, and there are
now two keys missing.
Ornery git
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
"diddy" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Xns9839861A82FF6danny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> in thread news:m1s5g2lsio01rsk9iisfcjotfqigmljjnp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Janet B <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled
the following words:
> Curious how many choose to crate a dog forever,
> whenever they leave the house and/or overnight,
> or how many choose to wean from household
> crate usage (usage being shutting the dog in the
> crate, not the dog choosing to hang out there) at
> some specific ages or maturity levels.
> Not for how long during a workday, but how
> long for a dog's lifespan?
I plan on crating Tuck whenever NOT supervised
(which isn't often.. he usually is with me) Until the
day that he quits tearing apart everything in sight
when I leave the room.
A dog proof room doesn't work.
He's figured out door knobs. He's figured out cupboards,
and he loves to tug open dresser drawers. He's not
interested in anything left out in the open.
He's into treasure hunting, figuring anything worth
secreting away is worth his effort discovering. He's
discovered the sock stash is in drawers.
Trash cans? --not interested.
Counter tops? --not interested
Counter tops -with food? --not interested
Dog food sitting on the floorin open bags? --not interested
razor blades from bathroom drawers? ... Very cool stuff!
Mom really gets bent too!
nope.. His crate is going to be occupied for
some time to come.
As for the beagle.. She's never been trustworthy.
She's getting senile and never will be trustworthy,
so a crate is in her future until she crosses the bridge.
Reka, no crate at no time, She lost her crate when she was
5 months old. Both Tuck, and reka hangout in crates by choice.
Reka dens in the bathtub usually. (kind of a crate) But she
likes the beagles vantage point, because the beagles crate
is on top of Tuck's. Right next to the window so she can see
out. Tuck prefers the compartment with a view as well.
I always have to vacate him (even though the crate on top is
too small for both elkhounds, it's their preferred lookout)
when I wantto stick in the beagle.
Reka sleeps under the bed at night or in the bathtub at night
if it's really hot. She sleeps in the bathtub by day when not
watching from the penthouse suite.
Tuck is not crated at night, and has chosen to sleep in
the closet. The beagle holds down the couch, night and day.
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
> "diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:JS76a.9623
>
>> Taya had eaten over 5 POUNDS of summer sausage!
>> I just had to laugh, because otherwise, I'd have cried.
>
> is taya an elkie? no point in crying over ingested summer sausage
> is what my mom used to say. did she get the runs?
Taya IS a 1/2 a cup a day for food elkie. When i told mom and dad
that she ate 5 POUNDS, we all marveled, my goodness! Where did she
put it all!
She went to the emergency vet clinic last night in a snowstorm
along 60 miles of ice slick roads, & blowing snow. The price
wasn't bad $120 but she had pancreatitis.
Crap, I should have induced vomiting when I realized it had happened.
Going from a regular diet of ounces in a day to 5 pounds
was bound to cause problems!
She seemed fine at the time, and I didn't think about it.
It could have been worse. There was NO fat in those summer sausages,
because they were homemade. No greasy texture, and much better than
any you buy. Because there was no fat, I had figured pancreatits
wasn't going to be a factor.
Wrong again.
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
"diddy" <diddy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
News:Xns993C52BAC299Bdanny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
dogs aren't into beer that much.
But they sure love Horse poop!
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BWEEEAAAAHAHAAA~!
"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated cir***stances.
A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.
I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns99E8E7772AFA6diddydiddynet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Terri <Terri@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spoke these words of wisdom in
> news:Xns99E8D0E4C5B7544444@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> diddy <none> wrote in
news:Xns99E8E49A5599Ddiddydiddynet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>> Terri <Terri@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spoke these words of wisdom in
>>> news:Xns99E8CD58B34FE7544444@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>> How's Cappy?
diddler might have to MURDER him like HOWE she done
Danny and had the same RESULTS terri done when she
MURDERED her DEAD DOG Mojo <{}: ~ ( >
diddler the **** stain scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated cir***stances.
A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.
I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"
BWEEEEAAAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns99E670733299Cdiddydiddynet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Shelly <scouvrette@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spoke these words of
wisdom in news:fh9qdj $717$2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I wonder if the screaming was just her coming
> out of the drugs, and nothing to do with pain?
No she was pain, because you could see her cringing.
And she just passed one big solid rock hardball.. so I
think she was just constipated. I think there are more
to come, and since i posted, she's still whimpered a few
times, I think this was a blockage issue and the reglan
moved things along.
We weren't going to operate if it was a blockage.
We simply would have put her down.
Well When Cappy was sick last week, my husband said,
she's old, she's not worth anything, and we aren't going to
put the money into saving her that you would put into your
dogs. We just aren't going to fix anything.
HUH?
Well I can understand not giving her a kidney transplant
if she needed one... but look it.. she's in pain.
Him: wait and see if she gets over it.
Me: She's in pain
Him: Well I'm not going to go out and shoot her, if she
can just pass this thing she swallowed.
Me: She's in pain.
Tuck finally demanded that I take care of her, and I told
my husband, I was taking her to Dayton Emergency Hospital...
because she's in pain. I won't fix anything, but we ARE doing
pain management while we see if she recovers or not.
So i shamed him into going, and the vet treated her for a
bunch of potential problems, and we diagnosed nothing.
Three days later, three consecutive Emergency vet visits and
$600 poorer, and one better beagle... We both agree, it isn't
about what a dog is worth, it's about basic needs. We now have
a very expensive old beagle, and she feels like she was worth
every penny. So do I. I've never even had any emotional
investment in the dog. But she doesn't deserve to suffer.
We won't ever fix anything on her.. but she's entitled to her
comfortable place holding down the couch, and living pain
free until her time comes.
This time was not her time.
We both learned a lesson over this beagle. My husband learned
that it's not about worth. Every life has worth. If you take
responsibility for a life, it then takes on a value.
You have made a contract with that life for food, shelter,
and at the very basic level... a life without unreasonable
pain.
My husband learned something about me. Even though i have
never made a commitment to that dog, i have now, because
she was not allowed to live under my roof in pain.
I learned something about that beagle. Even though we have
both shared the same roof for probably 5-6 years, and I
never recognized her as our beagle, but more the beagle that
came, and stayed, and her owners never came looking for her,
It just occurred to me, that she's ours NOW.
And i share your sentiments about being appalled at what some
people consider basics, others consider luxuries. I can make
a living (and DO) on the stuff my wealthy neighbors across the
street throw away.
My son's father in law and I were sitting at the table cutting
up a deer this afternoon. And were discussing the same thing..
Basic NEEDS, and WANTS, and distingui****ng the difference.
To me, a luxury is paying my dialup internet. I can live
without the internet. The internet to me is an indulgence
but very cheap entertainment. We were laughing about his
daughter's (My daughter in laws) compulsion to shop, and
her lack of recognition to tell the difference between
NEED and want.
And there is a Chasm between the two.
Obviously a roof over my head is a need to me. But people
survive on the streets homeless. Therefore, even then my
definition of NEED becomes a luxury.
If you stop and think about it, even living a very bare
bones existance is pretty luxurious. I am a lavish
spender. I have pets. nuff said.
NOT QUITE, diddler:
diddler the **** stain scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated cir***stances.
A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Here's diddler's IDIOT son's dog:
From: diddy <none>
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 07:59:17 -0600
Subject: Re: The kind of mess uneducated breeders are making
No idea what he is. He's supposed to be part chow, but he
looks more aussie/duck tolling retriever to me than anything
with a pomeranian tail.
His facial animations are hilarious, you can see the wheels
turning, and he's very engaging. The down side is, a kid from
next door came over and pulled his ears, and he bit the kid on
the face resulting in a $300,000 plastic surgery.
I have a zero tolerance for dog bites, and would normally
put a dog that did that down, but this dog was the victim
here.
----------------
> I do care about Muttley's health, as well as my own, and I am currently
> experiencing a flare-up of lower back problems that involve stenosis and
> nerve compression that make it difficult and painful to do much more
than
> the one mile or so a day of
> walking. But I have been getting chiropractic treatment again,
> and I will also investigate orthopedic options.
Well paulie, LUCKY thing you never fHOWEND
that "athletic woman" you been searchin for, eh??
<snip sleepin>
Let's go back to diddler's HONESTY, shall we, paulie?:
Date: December 29, 2006 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: Dog chewing up floors
in thread news:aad9p2hg0aei5nijqludfvqhb8g1l0jsaj@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mmmtobler...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled the following
words:
> I, for one, am glad that the Puppy Wizard comes across
> as a complete loon given what his advice is since it
> makes it less likely that people will take it instead
> of the advice of someone else I think gives better advice.
For the record, The Puppy wizard over-rates himself. But
"his" (tm) methods are pretty much tried and true methods
that trainers have used and some still use today.
There are better methods out there now. But the ones posted
in his manual (now that he has removed the advice to SPIKE
a dog's temperature to dangerous levels) are sound. they work..
no matter what we think of the puppy-wizard and his packaging...
"his methods" <cough> are just as valid as anyone else's
"His methods" can stand some updating, and he definitely
needs to look at some repackaging.
Hopefully others add a slicker delivery to grab attention,
but truthfully, when you look at the cat fights that go on
here, and stand back and watch in perspective, it's rather
hard to determine the sane ones from the lunatics.
In fact, an awful lot of people here come off looking
rather tainted. A person needs to have a good filtering
device to sort out the noise.
TPW just has a problem that's too painfully obvious.
--------------------
You mean, LIKE THIS?:
HOWEDY diddler you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal
murderin punk thug coward active acute chronic life long
incurable malignant mental case and backyard PUPPY MILLER /
professional dog trainin FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST,
"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns99D5A96165C14diddydiddynet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ceb <ceb4v@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spoke these words of wisdom in
> news:Xns99D59F74643E5ceb4vvirginiaedu@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> IIRC, we used a version of this method in obedience class
>> for Zoe and Queenie. It was usually a long leash, and it
>> helped to enforce the come, mainly by getting their attention.
>> Of course, after they did come, we gave them a treat and
>> praised them to the skies.
>>
>> The dogs had already learned sit and stay, but sometimes
>> their eyes would drift and it could be hard to get their
>> attention.
>
>> Eventually we learned to have them come without the leash,
>> but almost everything was done on- leash to start with.
> ceb, We teach the recall on a long lead in obedience cl***** also.
That so, diddler?
> We had a dog leave the building once, and for
> liability reasons, we use a long line..
Oh? What happened? Did your idiot imbecile son leave the
door open like HOWE he done your front gate an let your
dogs escape an get whacked by a car AGAIN?:
"I was in that position once when Becky was hit
by a car when my son left the yard gate open."
> In fact, I belong to 3 obedience dog clubs,
> and all three teach the recall on a long line.
That so, diddler?
> And if I had a dog that didn't come, I would be
> teaching my dog that way at home too.
That so, diddler?
> I've never needed to,
Oh, you mean on accHOWENTA you just SHOCK your dog
when IT blows you off, ain't that correct, diddler?
LIKE THIS:
"When Tuck was a little guy, all of a sudden he started blowing
me off on recall. Yes, Yes i did, put him on a remote collar. It
took one time (he hadn't established a pattern yet) and it fixed
the problem. When I call, he doesn't even think about it. he turns
and is on the run.
I think a dog should have a sound recall base before doing the
remote trainer. As he ran the other direction, I upped the stim
a level, it took twice in one training session and NOT coming
has never been a thought since."
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAA!!!
"And if I had a dog that didn't come, I would
be teaching my dog that way at home too. I've
never needed to,"
That so, diddler?
> but since the OP is having issues, your advice is spot on.
Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS, diddler?:
diddler the **** stain scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated cir***stances.
A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.
I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"
ALL ABOARD~!
BWEEEAAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Subject: Re: teaching dogs "jobs"
(They were taught NEVER EVER to step on a road.... No foot
EVER touches the road!) Danny lost a tracking test once,
because the test crossed a seldom used gravel road. When he
reached the road, a car just happened to go by. He refused to
cross the road, and when I took him by the collar and ****ged
him, I was Disqualified for aiding the dog.
Danny simply will NOT cross a road..
when he was intact, not EVEN for a ***** in season.
Now you have a dog that...
WHOOOOPS!
Whoops, Danny And Taya run away from
unsecured yard and imbecile owner BUT
CAREFULLY AVOID CROSSIN A ROAD.
Will they survive life out in the wilderness
out amongst diddler's coyote traps?
Will they get mistaken for coyotes and sold
to the highest bidder at the fur auction?
Or will they live again to do a help dummy diddy
do a demonstration on safe and responsible pet
owner****p in the kitchen with the vet's office kitten?
Stay tuned, fans...
From: diddy
(di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: What would you do in this situation?
Date: 2002-05-31 14:49:22 PST
Actually, I borrowed the vets office kitten once for a
couple days for school education on pet care and safe
handling as well as responsible pet owner****p.
I kept the kitten over night in a crate within a crate
and yet my dog (yes, Angelic Danny, as well as Taya
and Toby tore that kittne to threads from between the
crate bars. (apparently he stuck his paws through the
crate to bat at the dogs. I was out doing yard work
and rushed in to find the little kittens pieces and
parts being torn through by ALL the dogs.
I called my girl friend to come get my dogs. I screamed
displeasure, and stalked out with the kitten. Danny, et
al spent 3 days in a kennel until I finally felt like I
could interact with them without doing bodily harm. All
three dogs were never touched, but knew they had done
something so unspeakable that I wouldn't associate with
them and they got banished.
To this day, Taya (mom and Dad's dog) and Danny will
not look at a cat. When confronted with one, Danny wees
himself and cowers hiding behind me for help.
I'm not saying this would work this way with all dogs,
But mom and dad now have a house cat, and she has
never been harmed by any of the dogs. Danny is there
all the time, unsupervised, and has no interest in harming
the cat.
----------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> Where is personal accountability?
Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS?:
Re: Question About Euthanasia - Not For Faint of Heart
"diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
in message news:Xns995C9D28D6616danny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
if you are willing to be trolled. Using firearms
is not the most palatable way to put a dog down, but
sometimes it IS the most humane. For instance. I live
10 miles from a vet not an unreasonable distance for
routine care.
But one day, I was outside the fence in the company of
my dog, when the phone rang inside the house. I ran in
the door, and it was my dad. I said, "Dad, the dog did
not come in with me, I'll call you back"
Not aware that my dog had crossed the road to visit the
children getting off the school bus across the street,
I assumed her to be in her usual haunts, out in the back
pasture or barns.
I called her to come, and called her directly into the
path of a speeding car. She got hit directly on the
license plate and was thrown about 30 yards.
I knew exaclty what had happened, when I heard the
sickening thud, and her screams.
I rushed to her, and saw the blood streaming from her
ears and nose. her mangled little body irreparable. I
knew she was going to die. She quit screaming when I
went to her side. I went to move her, and she started
screaming even louder.
I knew moving her was only causing her greater agony.
She was in enough, and the outcome was not going to be
any better.
I decided to not put her through any more, and I left
her screaming, went in the house, got the handgun, and
returned. I gave her a tearful hug and apology. And I
did the hardest thing I've ever done in my whole life.
I took her pain, and made it my own. She immediately
slumped and went limp, and was silent. Quick. Taking
her to the vet was the poorer alternative.
in later years, I released a dog from the pound. She
was dumped for biting. Knowing that most of the time,
a dog that bites is the child's fault, I brought her
home to see if she was salvageable in a childless home.
She at least deserved an evaluation. She seemed fine,
then the following day, with no provocation, she lunged
for my throat. This was an unprovoked attack, and I knew
there was probably something physically wrong with the
dog (perhaps a brain tumor?) and regardless, she was a
HUGE liability risk, and I could never place her.
So I took her to the vet for euthanasia.
The vet kept sticking her for 15 minutes, and it was the
ugliest screaming death I ever witnessed.... until I had
my old 18 year old companion diagnosed with systemic organ
failure. Her old body wore out. I took her to the vet.
Apparently poor circulation caused her not to use the
euthanasia shot properly. The vet kept giving her one
shot after another, and she dies a slow agonizing death,
screaming, and looking at me in betrayal and dismay.
I wanted to grab her from the vet, and take her home,
and shoot her. It would have been over faster.
Then I took Danny in for Euthanasia. The best dog I've
ever had. The vet stuck him, and he went down HARD,
screaming.
He screamed for about 10 minutes.
If a vet was going to get a dog right, this one he HAD
to, and he didn't. I was furious. I'm forever sorry I
took him to the vet, but the violence of shooting him
was just unnacceptable to me.
These are THREE different vets.
I've witnessed hundreds of vet euthanasias that went
uneventfully. But those THREE failures stick forever
in my mind. Two on dogs very near and dear to me.
If I could accept the violence and had the fortitude
to do the job myself, those dogs would have never
needlessly suffered. A bullet properly placed is quick
and final.
Perhaps the OP has had not so good experiences, and
just wants to be sure the job is done right. I don't
necessarily consider them a troll (however I strongly
suspect that they are, and if they have to ask what
caliber to use, they probably are not a good enough
shot that they should attempt this)
------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Of curse, there's always more creative ways of
MURDERIN innocent defenseless dumb critters.
LIKE THIS:
WHEN YOU CAN'T FIND ANY CATS TO SHOOT,
SHOOT HUNGRY DOGS INSTEAD FOR GETTING
IN THE GARBAGE
From: diddy (di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Dog Shot, Neighbor Charged, Anchorage AK
Date: 2002-11-08 07:00:27 PST
I guess if I felt Danny was threatened, it's the way I would react.
There would be none left standing to deal with the threat just in
case.
If someone hurt him, I would not let borders or
continents stop me from pursuing justice.
Then again, I always feed Danny INSIDE. If someone is
feeding his dog outside, his own dog might not mean THAT
much to him.
If he was feeding his dog outside though, many dogs are food
aggressive, and that could most certainly spark a dog aggression
thing. (and if the dog was penned quietly outside, what was it
doing in his yard?)
I shot a neighbors dog one night for chasing my horses and
called him to help me find it. I would do the same for threatening
my dog.
My husband shot a dog that had been tearing up trash up and
down our road for years making an unbelievable mess. When
we finally killed the culprit, the whole road cheered. Animal
control had never been able in years to catch this critter. (we
think it was feral it was certainly unkempt enough to have
been....and it had been shot at by MANY of the neighbors,
but it never frightened it off enough to keep it from NOT
tearing up the road the next trash day)
---------------------------------
OR you could just BLUDGEON a innocent defenseless kitty kat:
From: diddy (di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: cats : Crating/Caging: What constitutes abuse?
Date: 2002-08-23 09:18:08 PST
Lyn wrote:
> > You know I'm a cat abuser because I let my cat out.
> > Alison
>
> Well, it totally depends upon where you live, as to whether
> or not doing so is in the best interest of your animal.
> Abuser isn't a term I would use, and I am a "cat group"
> regular.
Here it would be abuse. If you like your cat you keep it
home. I run a state authorized and monitored nuisance
animal trapline.
This morning there was a cat in a snare. Ordinarily,
an animal caught in a snare can be released unharmed.
One of the animals I am targeting is coyotes (and the
complaint was that coyotes were killing area cats)
Duh.. If your cats are becoming lunch for wild animals,
to me .. It makes sense to keep your cats in where they
can't become lunch.. whatever.
Regarding this cat in the snare. It went nuts. It leaped,
and tangled itself, and most certainly strangulated it's
intestines. It had the snare pulled tight down to the
diameter of a dime (just large enough to encircle the
spine) around the waist area.
This cats snarled, and attacked. Trying to extricate this cat
was exceedingly difficult, not to mention dangerous. Because
I feared damage to the intestines and death of the gut, I
imagined this cat was not likely to survive.
It would have been much simpler to dispatch the unfortunate
cat and take out the dead body. Instead, this cat wore a
collar. it deserved a chance, and the owner deserved closure.
(no id on the collar) .
It escaped, just as I released it and it couldn't be taken to
the vet for examination. I will probably never know if this
particular cat survives the experience or not.
People in the area were aware that trapping was being done and
apparently still let their cats run free, b oth endangered by
the traps and by the coyotes being targeted that are causing a
problem with their cat population.
Had that cat not been wearing a collar, I would not have tried
to release this hostile cat. Releasing it may not have been a
kindness, but then... cats weren't supposed to be attracted to
this type of trap, in this position, and then they weren't
supposed to go ape, to get themselves in this situation.
If you like your pet, you keep them home.
----------------------
LIKE THIS:
From: Kathy Levee (kle...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
> Subject: Off Topic --MISSING DOGS
> Date: 1999/04/14
>
> I realize this has absolutely nothing to do with
> Disney. Parks, but since those of us on this
> newsgroup are from all over the country, I thought
> you would understand this one time intrusion. We
> are desperate to find these dogs....Please, if you
> have any information, contact the e-mail address
> at the bottom of the note. Thank you for your
> understanding.........
>
> Karyl Parks' (aka diddler) dog Danny - Ch. Alpha's
> Decorum (I think that is his correct registered name) is
> missing . For those that have never met Danny -
> he is very special. Both trained for Search and
> Rescue
You'd think the dog could find his
own way back to his HOWES???
> as well as service dog trained, CDX, etc.
But IT can't find ITS way back to his own HOWES?
> He does all the things that service dogs do
Like run HOWET on his people and not return?
> from opening doors, turning on lights, getting
> clothes and shoes.
You FORGOT MURDERIN the vet's office kitty kat
and escaping and destructively chewing a rug and
gettin locked in a box in an HOWEtbuilding to muffle
his CRYING till he was ****IN BLOOD and went in
for intestinal obstruction.
> He is a marvel.
Naaah. You want a MARVEL? Marvel at that
STUPID KAT that PAINICKED when diddler
snared IT in her leg hold STRANGLE / CHOKE
choke trap. She'd have BLUDGEONED IT had
IT not been wearin a collar. Perhaps she was
lookin for a REWARD, bein a SUBSISTANCE
hunter and all.
> He is nine years old but does not
> show his age - he is about 60 pounds 22 1/2
> inches, dark face. By tomorrow I will have a
> picture available.
>
> Monday night he was put out to do his business
> along with Taya another elkie. At 10:00pm - both
> he and Taya were gone from Karyl's yard.
>
> She heard nothing and the gate was open but
> opened inward. Danny was neutered in the last
> year so is not of any use to anyone for breeding.
>
> Karyl has handed out over 1,200 flyers today -
> gone to the schools where Danny was well
> known - he did demonstrations, talked to
> neighbors and combed the neighborhood.
>
> She lives in farm
> country outside Greenville, Ohio.
>
> Danny is a tall elkie - very handsome -
> microchipped. I am looking for a picture I took
> when he visited here two years ago. He was not
> wearing a collar when lost. Karyl will talk to
> postal workers, garbage truck drivers, county
> road crews, meter readers, tomorrow - has
> already contacted law enforcement and shelters.
>
> Please for anyone in the area or who can cross
> post this to other lists do it. This dog is Karyl's
> life and she can not imagine life without him.
>
> Taya - also an elkhound her parents dog - spayed
> female five years old. Small size - I think only
> about 18 inches. They could be together or
> separate - Taya did have a collar on. Do not
> know if she is microchipped.
>
> Karyl's email is kpa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Thank you for your understanding......we're
> posting this to every list we are involved with
> and pray for their safe return.
Ummm, better RETHINK THAT. Your PAL diddler
is a Satanist or somethin weird like that.
> Kathy
>
> ==============================-===
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAA~!~!~!
You call tying the dog to a wall training, diddler, like
HOWE you trained your fence to train your dog?
diddy wrote:
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> We have a beagle. Before we got our last one, we knew
> what to expect and spent a year re-enforcing the fence.
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> What we did.
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> Double fencing, hardware cloth lined on the inside. Wood ties
> under gates. A chicken wire apron extending out into the yard
> 12 inches. (hog ringed to the upright fencing). We chose chicken
> wire because it was flexible and ground conforming. grass grows
> right over it, making it invisible and easy to mow over. It's tacked
> down by tent stakes every 10 inches. (this is our most considerable
> investment)
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> The problems with it is that it eventually disintegrates, rusts, pulls
> apart and need repair a lot. We placed tile blocks over the top, because
> the tent stakes stick up, and sometimes get hit by the lawnmower.
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> Overall, it's a pretty decent system and works MOST of the time.
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> The beagle is persistent, and tends to work the inner fencing, that's
> flimsy down, or tear it, making exit holes. We recently cut down a
> couple yard trees that broke down sections of the fence and they need
> re-enforcement.
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> When the weather breaks, a whole new fence is in order,
> but the system works MOST of the time.
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> We did install an underground perimeter E-fence at the fence line,
> and found a single strand 12 inch high electric cattle fence around
> the perimeter was just as effective, cheaper, less bothersome (no
> need to wear heavy e-collars.. especially that mess up coats), but
> both needed occassional maintenence.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> What we did.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> I admit our system fails occassionally, especially when snow drifts are
> over the top of the fences and erase any identifiable fenceline.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> We installed (BEFORE getting the beagle) a 100 foot
> trolly line that crosses the yard.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> This is a safe, effective restraint system that has always
> worked when immediate repairs or extra security is desired.
> If I go away and leave the beagle outside. He goes to the trolly line,
> whether the containment system is currently working or not.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> It's great for emergency situations, and the $17 last resort system gets
> used for the beagle far more than I ever expected. It still allows
> reasonable exercise range of area and mobility. The elkhounds and the
> beagle still play avidly, and it's the cheapest piece of mind security
> ever.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> A trolly tether system is the best for tem****ary containment while
> discovering where the leak is. In the snow, it's easy to discover the
> leak. In the summer, it's more difficult.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> I do not like, or use our current underground collar system
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
BWEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!
BWEEEEAAAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
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