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Re: Separation anxiety and crate training

by "Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laborator Jul 2, 2008 at 04:25 AM

HOWEDY victek,

"Victek" <Victek@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:g4em5l$b6r$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Shelly" <shelly@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:g4dn71$kt4$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> We recently acquire a 3.5 year old ****h Tsu - very sweet,
>>> loving dog, but does not tolerate being left alone.  We have
>>> to resort to putting him in a large "crate" when one of us cannot be 
>>> home with him and it's seems that over time he is having more trouble,

>>> not less.

Naaaah?

>> I'd recommend consulting with a trainer or behaviorist in your area,

That's curiHOWES. Separation anXXXIHOWESNESS is CAUSED
BY OBEDIENCE TRAINING therefore it CAN BE EXXXTINGUISHED
NEARLY INSTANTLY.

It AIN'T GOT NUTHIN to do with BEING ALONE
 it's got to do with BEING ABUSED <{}: ~ ( >

>> as well as your vet.

Veterinarians AIN'T GOT NO CURE for separation
anXXXIHOWESNES other than to SELL you ANTI-
PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS which, accordin to the
PHARMACUTICAL COMPANIES, have LESS THAN
60% efficacy and offer NO CURE.

>> It may be that anti-anxiety meds are called for, at least in the 
>> short-term,

That usually costs abHOWET $100.00 a month. PLUS the EXXXAM.

>> while you're working with desensitizing him.

There AIN'T NO SUCH THING as "desensitizing" SA.

>> In the meantime, what is your leaving and returning routine?

That's SHEER IDIOCY. shelly is a life-long INCURABLE
MENTAL PATIENT who's own dogs GOT THE SAME
PROBLEM for the SAME REASON.

>>  I've found it helpful to make both as no-nonsense and
>> unemotional as possible, up to and including not greeting
>> the dog or saying goodbye.

THAT'S INSANE.

>> Make it as much of a non-event as you can.

IN FACT, that's PRECISELY EXXXACTLY OPPOSITE
 of HOWE The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
 Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy,
 Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard teaches
HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method
Manual Students ALL OVER the WHOWEL WILD WORLD
HOWE to EXXXTINGUISH SA NEARLY INSTANTLY.

>> You may need to downgrade the size of the crate (giving the
>> dog too much space to be in charge of can heighten his anxiety.

                        BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

                               THAT'S INSANE~!

>> Third, I'd start over with desensitization.  Don't leave him for longer

>> than he can handle, because doing so undermines
>> any progress you make.

                   BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

>> That may mean starting with leaving him alone for just a few minutes 
>> (long enough to go out and check the mail?), and gradually build up to 
>> longer lengths of time.

                   BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

>> I know that this is easier said than done,

Naaaaah?

>> as most people work full-time and don't have the
>> luxury of taking time off to work with their dogs.

BWEEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

>> Your trainer may have some suggestions for how to handle that.

Yeah?

>> Something else you might consider is that, while some dogs with SA are 
>> helped by crating, some are not.

That's ABSURD. Crating CAUSES SA.

>> For some dogs, crating can actually make matters worse.

Naaaah? Perhaps shelly READ your post, eh, victek?

>>  Again, this is something you can discuss with your trainer.

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

>>  But, how is he when left uncrated?  Have you tried leaving him
uncrated 
>> for short periods of time?  It just seems to me that a crate
>> is an excellent tool, but it's not The Answer.  If it were me, I'd be 
>> working toward the end goal of weening him off the crate.

Perhaps you can take a EXXXTENDED vacation, victek?

> Thanks for the reply.

That's kindly of you, victek~!

The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey,SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard GAVE
YOU ALL the INFORMATION YOU NEEDED in HIS
1st post to you INCLUDIN CASE HISTORIES and SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH DATA from 
Pavlov, Corson, Skinner, et al, which
you seem to have overlooked.
 From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice

 Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWING everything.

 I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.

 I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:

whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.

The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals,
especially animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.

 As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there is no
treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving care.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine you may find my resume
in Who's Who in Science and Technology I have been listed
 in Who's Who in the S & SE USA since 1982, and in the big
books, Who's Who in the USA, WW in the World, WW in
Medicine  etc, and WW in Science and Technology, since that date.

These are the Marquis Publications, the "real" WW, and
you can't get yourself into them.

                           -------------------- 

> We've got a call into our Vet, and we're also considering a session with
a 
> trainer my wife used previously with a different
> dog (different issues).

Well then, victek, perhaps it's your wife's TRAININ that's
caused your dog to FEAR YOU RETURNING from absences?

> We understand the idea of gradual desensitization,

That so? Oh, you mean SNEAKIN UP on a CURE?

> but as you note the reality of both of us working
> is not optimal for our dog.

Perhaps you shouldn't own a dog if you
CAN'T CARE FOR IT pupperly, eh, victek?

> My wife works full-time and is gone 9/10 hours, Mon-Fri.
>  Fortunately my work schedule is more flexible, but I still sometimes
need 
> to be away for five or six hours at a time.

Well, just GET OVER IT, victek.

> We've tried leaving the dog for short periods in our front patio,
> thinking that he might be more comfortable with more space.

Didn't shelly JUST TELL YOU that MORE SPACE is TOO MUCH??:

       "You may need to downgrade the size of the crate (giving the
       dog too much space to be in charge of can heighten his anxiety."

> It didn't seem to make any difference though, and he did some damage, so

> we won't try that again until the issue is better under control.

You mean when HEEL FREEZES OVER, victek?

> Regarding the crate, I too would eventually like to stop using it, but
for 
> the moment it's the only reasonably safe choice when we have to leave
him.

You mean other than TRAININ HIM NEARLY INSTANTLY, victek?

                          LIKE THIS:

From: "LEE " <>
To: <ThePuppyWiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 6:11 AM
Subject: Wits end training in England

HOWEDY Lee,



> Hi, I have stumbled across your training method on the internet


EXCELLENT!

Nuthin happens by accident or coincidence.



> and I am pleased to say, one part of it has worked already after only 3 
> days of training.


Wonderful! Please follow the method entirely and
PRECISELY.  It NEVER FAILS, but it's very unforgiving
of mistakes and doesn't play well with other methods.


> I own two boxers, one of which is a rescue dog who sufferred from 
> 'seperation anxiety'


SA usually takes no more than WON day or two, to break.


> and would constantly chew his bedding in his crate when in the house 
> alone.  After only 2 sessions of praising his favourite nylon bone and 
> leaving it in front of the crate before leaving, the behaviour is gone! 
> Lee.


                    HOWETSTANDING!

                       =============

                       AND LIKE THIS:

From: Robin Barr <robinba...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:50:58 -0800

Subject: Re: HELP needed ASAP


In article <O31ud.13611$r72.108...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,



 regimbalm <regimb...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> MauiJNP wrote:
> > my dog tries to jump up on the table.  he did it today when I wasn't 
> > there and he ate my nephew's food.  My sister was home, I wasn't.  My 
> > mom said if he does it again, he will have to find a new house.  I 
> > believe her.
>
> > She will kick him (rather us as I will never get rid of him) out. what

> > should I do?
>
> > she I squirt him with water when he tries to jump on the chairs? I
don't 
> > want to have to smack him bottom or nose or something like that.
>
> > Should I feed him from the table so he is not so desparate to get up 
> > there? or will that make it worse?  right now, he NEVER gets anything 
> > from the table.  thanks for any help.

> why don't you tie him outside during the meals and if he try to go
> on the table do the same go tie him and verbally reprehend him . He
needs 
> to  learn it's not ok to jump on table.
> I would also suggest you go a do basic obedience training
> you need to learn how to control your do,, good luck

I'm only jumping in on this thread now, so don't know if the Puppy
Wizard responded to the original poster with a link to his Wit's End
Dog Training Manual, which he offers at no cost.   Although you are
correct to say the dog needs to learn to not jump on the table, and
your suggestion would certainly contain the dog,  I don't think it
would TEACH the dog very effectively or quickly.

The Puppy Wizard (Jerry) offers a very quick, kind and gentle way
to teach a dog anything, even eliminating separation anxiety and
allergies.


I hope the original poster sees this, and if you own a dog, perhaps
you might be interested in taking a look also.  You'll find it's so
much quicker (and kinder, and gentler) than any other method.


The proof is in the pudding, right?  Just give it a try.  You've
heard the old saying, you get more with honey than vinegar.  If
you do try this method and find it effective, please pass it on
to other pet owners.  You'll be doing a good deed. I'm planning
to email it to my friends, relatives, and business associates who
are pet owners as a Christmas or Chanukah gift.


And more, if you have any questions about the training method, or
 run into difficulties, unlike the tone of many of the Puppy Wizard's
 posts (aka the Grim Reaper), you'll find him extremely helpful, always
available, patient (yes, I said patient:) and kind (yes, I said kind:).

                    ================

                      AND LIKE THIS:

From: "LESPERANCE/DEAKIN" <madea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 1999/10/06
Subject: Re: Separation Anxiety

Well Jerry, I have to hand it to you.  It worked!


Our dog was very well behaved until I had to go on the
road for my work this summer.  I was gone twice for 10
long days each time.   Although there were still people
home, I am the "primary care-giver" to my dog, so he
became destructive (shoes, books, rugs, papers etc)


We have a crate, but I believe it is too small for him
now - he is a cross golden/gsd and when he sits or stands
he cannot hold his head up as the top is too low, so I
didn't want to crate him while I went to work for sometimes
8 hours.


Anyway, I decided to try your method with the toy.


I would find a toy, tell it to be good and place it in
his crate. After just 3 days, there was no more destruction
in the house - even when daughter or hubby forgot to put
their shoes away!  Now the toy stays in the crate all day,
and he even crawls in to be with the "good toy" when I leave.


He seems quite proud when we come home.


I have not tried the can thing - don't quite understand
that, so I think my dog may be confused too!


Marcie (Winslow's mom)

                     -----------------------

                      AND LIKE THIS:

From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
):

I own a black an tan coonhound.  We got him
as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling
(pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and
the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.


I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't
crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for
walks because he feared EVERYTHING.


I was going to have to get rid of him if things
didn't turn around.


My husband and I searched the internet for
answers - AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.


For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK!


I've followed his manual, and we now have a
dog that can be  left home  alone, that heels
on command, that can go outside and NOT
be afraid of everything he sees.


Not only have his methods helped our dog, but
our marriage has gotten better.  We had fallen
into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we
never laughed or had FUN together - but now,
with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY
WIZARDS dog training, our communications
channels have opened, and we now work
together instead of against one another.


For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID
NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY,
OR HEEL.


We simply eliminated the nagging and the acting out to get
NEGATIVE attention from one another since we weren't getting
the POSITIVE attention we wanted.


So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS
METHODS WORK.


It's up to you to accept them.  Yes, there's alot of blame
that we have to accept, but once we realize that we've caused
these problems to arise, we can strive to make things better.


AIMEE

> I hadn't heard about anti-anxiety med for dogs - that's something we
will 
> have to look into.

INDEED?:

"Anthony Testa" <testa52...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote in messag news:
c603fe9c.0203260607.77c28...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 moved to Jacksonville, Florida about a year ago
with my lovely wife linda. 3 times a week for 7
months I visited the Dog shelter and Humane Society
looking for a German Shepherd.


There were several times they had a dog there, but
I was looking for a *****. The reason for this is,
all my life I have always had a female German shepherd.
Therefore, I wanted another one. Finally about 6 weeks
ago, I found her. "Angel" looked just like my previous
dog of 12 years. I called my wife, she came down and
fellin love with her immediately.


We filled out the paper work and left the Humane Society
with her. We drove directly to Pet Smart to buy all the
essentials. We bought the biggest crate available. Let
it be known I have never used a crate with any of my
previous dogs. The biggest difference is my other dogs
I had from puppy age. Angel just turned 2, 3 days before
adoption.


Angel appeared to be happy the trip home. Her ears were
down all the time and her tail was so far between her
legs that it looked like she had 3 ears. (humor) None
the less, we knew we had a dog that was insecure. The
first night we let Angel sleep in the living room.


However, we had to go to work the next day. We pet her,
kissed her and put her in the crate in the middle of the
living room. During the day, my sons came home to walk
her, give her a little loving and play with her. Then
put her back in the crate and go to work.


When we got home the first day, everything in the crate
was ripped to shreds. The neighbors approached us and
said that the dogs barked constantly for 3 hours then
barked continuously after my sons left again. We thought
it was because everything was new. We were wrong. The
dog did this every day for 4 days.


The 4th day was our first scheduled visit with the vet.
The vet told us he can see that the dog is suffering
from abuse and separation anxiety. So, the vet puts the
dog on clomicalm. (not sure of the spelling).


Well, for two days the dog walked around like Jerry
Garcia on a Friday night after a concert, stoned!
However, we were home with her the entire weekend.


We crated her for work and came home to a barking dog,
ripped bedding in the crate, upset neighbors and the
plastic bottom of the crate completely torn to bits.
It was obvious that crating was not a good thing. The
next day we decided to leave her out of the crate to
see what would happen. What a major mistake. We came
home to almost $1,000 in damage. Furniture, the blinds
were all chewed and torn down, etc.


The next day we put her in the crate again. This time
we came home to a nice 2' x 3' hole in our carpet in
the middle of the living room, right down to the cement.
I told my wife that we cannot afford to keep this dog.
We should go out and get a puppy. She was upset and said
there must be something we can do. I told her this. "I
will go on the internet and see what is available". I was
desperate and wanted to see if there was someone who could
 help.


We read the information about the DDR and emailed Jerry.
Jerry was kind enough to give us his phone number to
discuss Angel in more detail.


First, at no cost he sent us his manual. We started doing
exactly what he said to do in the manual. Exactly as we
did was was written, the results were exactly as he said
it would be. Then we purchased the DDR.


This is an amazing god send to us. First of all, Jerry
sent it to us without paying. (thanks for that gesture)
This has such and AMAZING effect. This testimonial is
kind of winded so I will say this...... Jerry's product
literally saved this dogs life.


Angel can be left alone during the day. NO CRATE. The
dog shows absolutely no sign of anxiety at all. Jerry
told us the product works immediately and it did! She
does not bark at all during the day except when the
mailman drops mail into the slot on the door.


The manual for training works exactly as it says!


We told our vet about this and he said that there are
all kind of gimmicks. I told my vet that as a person
who holds a degree of higher education, there just are
some things they don't have in the text books and he
should be receptive to that. We are proof. Angel was
one day from going back to the humane society.


Listen to this... My wife wrote one of the so called
know it all of pets. His response to the exact letter
we initially wrote to Jerry..."Get rid of the dog,
bring her back" I'll save this person embarrassment
by not saying the name. However, you know who you are
and I have this to say to you. Go pump gas or bus tables
because you sir, do not belong working with animals!


Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news
group, I can't for the life of me understand why this
many people are so dang blind or ignorant.


You just keep plugging away at what you do, because
you my friend are a life saver!!!


Anytime you need someone to speak about the results of
your product, you have my number. We would gladly talk
to them.


Thank you very much for all your help. God bless you...


Anthony & Linda Testa Jacksonville, Florida

> m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Mark Shaw) wrote in message 
> <news:lmWo8AeR1HVP092yn@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>... > > In article 
> <c603fe9c.0203260607.77c28...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> > testa52...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Anthony Testa) wrote: [...] Jerry, after reading 
> > some of the threads in the news group, I can't for the life of me 
> > understand why this many people are so dang blind or ignorant.
>
> > You just keep plugging away at what you do, because you my friend are
a 
> > life saver!!!
>
>  Okay, who the heck ARE you, really?

Who am I? My real name is posted.
The story you have read is true.

We were at witts end, found Jerry's web page by happenstance,
wrote to him almost exactly what you read, he  gave me his
suggestions, told me what my results would be including a
time line and, you know what?

He was and still is, right on the money.

I don't care if he's a warlock, a professor, disgruntled
Entomologist, or a man with a niche that makes the
 sciences itchy, he saved the day AND a dog's life.

We were given suggestions from Medication, to a Behavioral
Specialist. I decided that instead of creating a Jerry Garcia or
pay 125.00 dollars an hour for my dog to lay on a  couch to be
 freudiated, I decided Jerry Howe's method seemed to be more
 humane and serene.

It worked, end of story.

A. Testa

                     --------------------------


          My student Anthony summed it all up:

From: TESTA52601 (testa52...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
Date: 2002-03-28 10:01:34 PST
"Alpha" <sween...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:bsf69.5447$g9.19553@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Well there you go, I was willing to believe but then jerry it was
another 
> hallucination of yours, just like all those thank you letters you write,
a 
> lie, a fabrication, a wank...

Alpha,
 It's uneducated, ball breakers like you that create dismay
 throughout this society. Get a life. you took apart a letter
 from someone who has shown nothing but love and caring,
 including lots of money and twisted it to YOUR point.

 Ever consider politics? I challenge you to show me your
 credentials and results you come up with. The things I did
 with the dog WAS against MY wishes. However, I listen
 to pencil neck geeks that sit behind a monitor and get 30
 different suggestions. This dog could not be happier if
 she was gnawing on all three of your legs.

The bottom line to my letter was to tell people  "don't
 knock it until you try it"

 P.S. Write me personally if you have any credentials.......

               ======================

>  Do you have any experience with these?

Of curse. shelly has BEEN TAKIN ANTI-PSYCHOTIC
MEDICATIONS HER ENTIRE LIFE <{}: ~ ( >

            HOWE long have you been takin them?

 From: lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: 25 May 2005 12:34:27 -0700

> Subject: Re: Should I take the 'Puppy Wizard' seriously?


 sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> Here are just a few things to take into consideration when being advised

> to read the 'manual' written by the 'Puppy Wizard', or follow his 
> 'advice':

Since I've been the only one who advised to read The
 Amazing Puppy Wizard's manual lately, I'll try to reply
 to this.

> - His beliefs/opinions about dogs - - he's said that he doesn't like
dogs, 
> and it does not appear that he has dogs and is not clear that he ever
had 
> dogs.

 That's a matter of opinion, of course - an opinion that
 I do not share and one that you cannot sup****t with proof.

 The fact that he doesn't post a link to the pictures of
  his dogs doesn't prove that those dogs don't exist, much
  less that they never have existed.

> He believes that a dog is a dog is a dog and that there is no difference

> between the temperaments and learning styles of breeds that have been
bred 
> for generations to do a particular job.

> He claims that all misbehaviors and illnesses are caused by mishandling
or 
> abuse.  These opinions are not sup****ted by the literature.

 I don't think that he said that ALL the illnesses are
 caused by mishandling or abuse, but that mishandling/
 abuse did cause a great number of apparently unrelated
 illnesses.

 There's a vast literature sup****ting that - just look
  at the variety of stress-induced disorders.

> - His claim that he can train any dog in the world while sitting ****d
in 
> front of his computer, without personally *****sing said dog.

 And yet, I can tell you from first hand experience that
 this claim is justified (except the part about "sitting
 ****d", for which we have to take The Amazing Puppy
 Wizard's word) in the case of two dogs who are living
  half the world away from him - MY two dogs.

 For instance, he told me exactly what to do when
  Bonnie was barking with excitement as someone
 she loved was arriving, and his advice worked...
 like magic!

 Also, his advice about how to deal with her fear of
  thunder was the ONLY thing that could calm her down.

> This is simply not credible.

 Sometimes the truth does seem unbelievable,
  but it is still the truth.

> Additionally, he appears to spend all of his time posting to various 
> newsgroups, some of which have nothing to do with dogs;

 And this fact has nothing to do with his ability
  to train dogs via the Internet, either.

> he digs up and responds to old posts, responds to his own
>  posts himself, posts and cross-posts sometimes hundreds of posts a day 
> and all through the night.  This suggests that he's not spending much
time 
> actually training dogs.

Perhaps he can afford it. One thing is certain: his training
 method is incredibly easy to apply. In certain respects, the
 result is practically instant.

 Like with aggression, for example.

Or with separation anxiety.

> - His reputation, or lack of same - - though he claims to be a
well-known 
> dog trainer, no one who lives in the area
> where he lives has ever heard of him.

 Again, this has nothing to do with the
  fact that his method WORKS.

>  - His behavior on this newsgroup.

  So he isn't "nice" (but, you know, neither the rest of you
  are exactly very friendly to those who disagree with you).
  Anyway, does it matter so much how he behaves here, if
  his method is successful with our dogs?

  After all, we don't need to train HIM, we need to train
  our DOGS; and Jerry understands exactly what seems
  to be going on in the dogs' minds and he has both the
  experience and the willingness to teach others how to
  use this understanding in order to modify their own
  dogs' behavior as they desire.

  I fail to see how - for someone who comes here for
  help with some very urgent and specific problem -
  Jerry's online behavior would be more im****tant
  than the fact that his method could really aid their dog.

Lucy (and I never said that one should do as Jerry says,
 I only advised that they hould read_the_manual_ and_
 decide_for_themselves_, while the rest of you seem to
 think that just READING the manual can somehow
 cause damage)

                 ---------------------- 

                           SEE?

From: Robin <robin4...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:49:15 -0700
Subject: Re: Paging Puppy Wizard

In article <pan.2005.06.16.03.47.42.331...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
 "Kurtis D. Rader" <kra...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:



> On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:50:08 -0700, Robin wrote:
> > In article <1118672970.419103.259...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, 
> > bringmewa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> >> you must have missed his posts where he shows he's psycho and not
worth 
> >> 10 seconds worth of time
>
> > I disagree.  If you can look past the way he communicates,
>
> How he communicates is precisely the point. The reason rational people
no 
> longer listen to the "puppy wizard" has nothing to do with grammar


Kurtis,

I believe myself to be rational (I'm not saying this
defensively), and the reactions from the people in my
world (friends, family, tradespeople, neighbors,
acquaintences, business people, my healthcare givers,
and it goes on and on) seem to reflect that I probably
am rational.


 Kurtis, the reason I look beyond the exterior, is
because sometimes, not always, there is something
of value.  I've found this to be true many times in
my life.


 If you've been following my posts, I have a difficult
situation with my little dog, and I've followed all the
mainstream thinking and techniques for separation anxiety,
to no avail.


One of the reasons I decided to take Jerry's manual more
seriously was the feedback from those who had who had
achieved positive results.  And I'm glad I did (please
see my post to Jerry about tonight's session using Jerry's
SA technique).



> or spelling. It is about his surety that he has the only valid viewpoint

> and all others are wrong.


Kurtis, I say this gentle respect (tone can be misinterpreted
with this form of communication) - read again what you said
above.  You are doing what you accuse Jerry of, the surety
that you have the only valid viewpoint and all others (who
sup****t Jerry) are wrong. (i.e. they're not rational).


> It is about his atrocious manners. It is about his presumption to know 
> enough about an individual to judge them an abuser of animals from a 
> single usenet message.


I can't argue with you.  But this doesn't have the
same emotional charge for me as it does for you.


> > Please know he has sup****ters, some of whom doctorate level 
> > professionals, and this is for a reason.
>
> I know plenty of "smart" people who believe in astrology and homeopathy.

> Just because someone is knowledgeable about one topic does not preclude 
> them being idiots in other areas.


Kurtis, please listen to yourself; your judgement about
people who believe in astrology and homeopathy (idiots?),
you are so unwielding and harsh ("the surety that you have
the only valid viewpoint and all others are wrong.")

> > Personally, I like Jerry.  He's a colorful character, to say the
least,
>
> I like colorful people as well. The world would be extremely boring and 
> limited if everyone were like me. But just because someone has a
different 
> worldview, style of dress, or speaking style doesn't mean I should treat

> them as an authority on an arbitrary subject.

No need to treat or think of him as an authority!

(Ooops! <{); ~ ) > )



> I've read way too many posts by PW and visited his web site. While there

> are nuggets of useful information in what he says I can get the same 
> advice from other sources


 (CITES PLEASE??? <{); ~ ) > )


>  without the abuse.


(Seems kurtis means EMBARRASSMENT <{); ~ ) > )

Now Kurtis, you know the same advice is not available
elsewhere.  You're speaking an untruth to give weight
to your arguement.


I'm going to receive all kind of flack for this statement -
there's something about Jerry that has completely pushed your
buttons, and it has nothing to do with Jerry.


(Hint: look to one or both of your parents for the
source of this anger, that's who you're angry at)
I KNOW I'm going to regret having said that, but
this is kind of mood I'm in right now.


Anyway, you seem like a nice guy.


Best regards, Robin

                             ---------------------

    So, victek, NHOWE WE UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER.

                             DON'T WE <{}: ~ ) >
 




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