Oh, an bye the bye, paulie;
P.S.
Thank you for not humiliatin an embarrassin me when I
discredited myself. That was kindly of you, you pathetic
miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin coward:
From: "Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 15:01:40 -0400
Subject: Re: i hate off-leash dogs.
I do miss the days of my childhood when we thought nothing
of walking our medium sized, very sweet and friendly dog
without a leash, although sometimes we did when we were
near a busy road. Yet I have a very vivid and terrible memory
of the time when my dog was viciously attacked by a larger
dog in the woods near our house.
The girl who owned the dog was beating it with a stick, and
I stabbed it in the neck. Both dogs survived, but after that, I
always carried a stout stick with me when walking our dog.
This was back in the 60s, when leash laws were very lax or
non-existent, and before everybody was lawsuit crazy, and
when the few drug dealers and thugs in the few bad areas of
town were deathly afraid of all big dogs.
Paul, Muttley and Lucky
---------------------
NO PROBLEMO, paulie. You're in EXXXCELLENT company.
LIKE THIS:
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
90 From: Sionnach
Date: Mon, Oct 9 2006 1:19 am
Email: "Sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
*I* was thanking the Deity that the NCR trail
was not my choice of hiking area today!!!!
Sorry, Paul, but the gloves are now off, because if I HAD
chosen the NCR trail today - rather than another local trail-
you would have been putting ***MY*** beloved dogs at
risk of serious injury or death. ***MY*** DOGS.
What the ****ING HELL is **WRONG** with you???
Your dog, which you have repeatedly admitted you can't
control, just made a near-lethal unprovoked attack on
another dog in obedience class, and you TOOK HIM
OUT ON THE TRAILS WHERE THERE ARE OTHER
DOGS?????
You do that again, when my dogs are around, and he attacks
one of them, you won't have to worry about having him put
down - I will either break his spine or choke him to death
right then and there.
I'm dead ****ing serious, Mr. Schoen.
----------------------
AND LIKE THIS:
Re: Most and least aggressive breeds, per U of Pennsylvania study
"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns9ACCE441FD75diddydiddynet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
agree about chihuahua's I've met more nasty than nice ones. But
I don't fear for my life from chihuahua attacks. If worst came to worst,
and i really feared for my life from them, I'd just step on em.
problem solved.
diddler
-------------------------
"Charley Sante" <KlysterEngineering@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:g4a0f8$fku$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> HOWEDY paul e. schoen you pathetic miserable stinkin
> rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active acute
> chronic life-long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
> MENTAL CASE,
>
> "Paul E. Schoen" <pstech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:48686425$0$2711$ecde5a14@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> "One of JH AKA TPW's Many Stoopid Aliases" scrawled in message
>> news:ZFW9k.7218$1I.6644@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> HOWE abHOWET namin IT "LUCKY"? Oooops...
>
> Pssst? Perhaps YOU FORGOT you GOT RID of "Lucky"
> to a "KILL SHELTER" where she was "PLACED within
> WON WEEK" on accHOWENTA YOU COULDN'T
> TRAIN YOUR DEAD DOG "LUCKY" to get along with
> your OPPOSITE *** dog Muttley nodoGdameneD better
> than you could TRAIN your "RESCUE" dog Muttley not
> to attack your DEAD KAT Photon nodoGdameneD better
> than you could train your DEAD KAT Photon not to attack
> your DEAD KAT Meson??
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
> Perhaps if you'd donated some of that $10,000.00 you pissed
> away tryin to BUY a female who'd have anything to do with
> the likes of you, you could maybe have TRAINED your own
> dog not to ATTACK your DEAD KAT?:
>
> From the news article "In Pursuit Of Love":
>
> "In the pursuit of love, no one has been more devoted
> than Paul Schoen.
>
> He's attended singles hayrides, singles hikes, and singles
> house parties. He's answered personal ads for athletic women
> (his preference) only to discover they considered shopping
> their most aerobic activity. He's hired a matchmaking company,
> revealing to strangers his marital ideal: a woman (ages 21-42)
> who loves nature, simple pleasures and friend****p. And he said
> it again, while the camera rolled, after joining a video dating
> service several years ago.
>
> The grand total so far:
>
> - Lasting romantic relation****ps: 0
>
> - Cost: $10,000
>
> "Maybe it's worth it to other people," says Mr. Schoen, 44,
> a businessman who lives in Towson, "But at this point, it
> hasn't been for me. It's expensive, and I'm still single"
>
> --------------------
>
>>> Or Photon? Ooops...
>
> Your DEAD KAT Photon GOT DEAD on accHOWENTA
> your "RESCUE DOG" Muttley CHASED HIM OFF JUST
> LIKE HOWE Photon CHASED OFF your other DEAD
> KAT Meson <{}: ~ ( >
>
>> Yes, a bundle of energy that moves at maximum speed.
>
> Seems you'd have a PROBLEM keepin up. You can't
> even walk at a normal pace bein a congenital cripple.
>
>> An excellent name.
>
> INDEED? HOWE FAST is Photon NHOWE, paulie?
>
> IS THIS paulie's DEAD KAT Photon?:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2qr9ry
>
> Did paulie's DEAD KAT run HOWET on
> paulie an his RESCUE dog Muttley??
>
> Hey! I think I FHOWEND him on the side of the
> road JUST LIKE in the picture, but withHOWET
> the sign.
>
> Is he black an red?
>
> If you don't want him back maybe I can keep him?
>
> I think he's still good. He's up the road a piece from
> here an there's a little on the other side of the road
> there an some in the middle not far from me here.
>
> You want him back to make sure he gets a good HOWES?
>
> He still looks pretty good. A tad lonely maybe. Just like
> in the pic, EXXXCEPT MOORE of him in MOORE pics.
>
> Same profile, HOWEver.
>
> BWEEEAAAAHAHAAHAHAAA!!!
>
>> I have friends with a Golden named Photon.
>
> "FRIENDS", paulie? You got no friends. You single handedly
> destroyed the Baltimore Singles Network while spending ten
> THOWESAND dollars on finding a woman who'd put up with
> you:
>
> Baltimore Singles Network
> Home Page
> Updated February 14, 2004
>
> NOTICE:
> Baltimore Singles Network has been discontinued!
>
> Due to lack of interest and member sup****t, I have
> discontinued the Baltimore Singles Network. We have
> been inactive for about a year, and I have not received
> any offers to help with planning, organization, publicity,
> or event sponsor****p.
>
> It takes a group of dedicated people to make an organization
> successful. We had quite a few good years starting in 1991,
> when I took over leader****p, when others were involved actively
> in the club. However, for the past several years, it has been a
> frustrating and disappointing one-person project.
>
> -----------------
>
>>> Or maybe Meshon? Ooops...
>>
>> That was actually Meson, which is an elementary particle. Not that
Jerry
>> would understand.
>
> Well paulie, you oughta know. You PROVED A.S. Neil,
> Pavlov, Sam Corson, Mary Cover Jones, Szrynski, Whaler,
> Lorenz, Azrin, and with some exceptions, Skinner and Baily
> DEAD WRONG, recognizing that EVERY DOG IS an
> INDIVIDUAL and NEED DIFFERENT METHODS OF
> PUNISHMENT to TRAIN them:
>
> "Postitive emotions arising in connection
> with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
> of its pragmatic significance at a given
> moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
> emotions, not outside rewards, are what
> reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
>
> Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH,
> That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And
> Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The
> Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies.
>
> "All animals learn best through play," Lorenz.
>
> A. S. Neill, The Famous Founder of The Summerhill
> School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back
> In The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They
> Wet The Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass And Their
> Behaviour Would Stop, - As If By MAGICK!
>
> The Embry Study:
> "While some may find it strange that reprimands
> might increase the chances of a child going into
> the street, the literature on the experimental analysis
> of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention
> to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of
> more inappropriate behavior.
>
> Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason
> with their children about da****ng into the street will
> likely to have the opposite impact.
>
> Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it."
>
> Source:
>
> "Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to
> Preschoolers by Parent Training and Symbolic
> Modeling for Children: An Experimental Analysis
> in the Natural Environment. Research Re****t
> Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."
>
> "The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
> technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
> (1966) re****t a standard contingent reward/punishment
> procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
> disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
> six days the boys are re****ted to have been learning
> new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
> were moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and
> learning immediately deteriorated.
>
> Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement
> model" proposed by Skinner (1963) are no more well
> established in research than the various dynamic
> therapists."
>
> Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of
> programmed systems for learning; 2) reinforcement;
> 3) cognitive dissonance; and 4) motivation, MOST
> SURELY DEMOLISH the claims of operant programers."
>
> "It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
> deviant behavior of children can be achieved
> through brief, simple educative routines with
> their mothers which modify the mother's social
> behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966).
>
> Some clinics have re****ted ELIMINATION of the
> need for child THERAPY through changing the
> clinical emphasis from clinical to parental
> HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965).
>
> A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
> preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
> of children was required, and almost ALL cases
> SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
> Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
> treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
> the parents tem****arily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
> SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
>
> B.F. Skinner: Re-evaluation of Punishment:
> Punishment, unfortunately traditionally overused,
> actually has been proven not effective at long-
> term behavioral change, and creatures will find
> other ways of getting what it wants. In "Freedom
> and the control of men" American Scholar, Winter
> 1955-56, 25, 47-65. 1956 he states:
>
> If we no longer resort to torture in what we call
> the civilized world, we nevertheless still make
> extensive use of punitive techniques in both
> domestic and foreign relations. And apparently for
> good reasons. Nature if not God has created man
> in such a way that he can be controlled punitively.
>
> People quickly become skillful punishers (if not,
> thereby, skillful controllers), whereas alternative
> positive measures are not easily learned.
>
> The need for punishment seems to have the sup****t
> of history, and alternative practices threaten the
> cherished values of freedom and dignity.
>
> Fear involved with punishment causes frustration:
> with typical results loathing, hostility and apathy.
> Skinner's teaching on the superiority of posittive
> reinforcement's benefits for keeping desired behavior
> have proved very valuable.
>
> ----------------------------
>
> "Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
> reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
> THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
> Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
> HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
> reward not received is experienced as a punishment
> and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
> (Azrin et al, 1966)."
>
> "Motivation Of The Resistance To Coercion "-- PAVLOV:
>
> "Reflexes of purpose and freedom" in the comparative
> physiology of higher nervous activity, Institute of
> Higher Nervous Activity and Neurophysiology, Academy
> of Sciences, Moscow:
>
> The most complex unconditioned "reflexes of aim and
> freedom," discovered by I.P. Pavlov, are compared
> with the "competence drive" and the "motivation of the
> resistance to coercion," respectively, described by
> contem****ary ethologists.
>
> On the basis of the unconditioned "reflex of purpose,"
> conditioned reflexes were developed in which positive
> emotions arising in connection with the perfection of
> a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at
> a given moment, serve as the reinforcement.
>
> The unconditioned "reflex of freedom" is regarded as a
> phylogenetic precursor of the will, and its acute extinction
> as the physiological mechanism of hypnosis. It was
> demonstrated experimentally that the appearance of the
> state of "animal hypnosis" (immobilization catatonia) in
> rabbits is accompanied by the predominance of electrical
> activity and heat production in the right hemisphere, i.e.,
> by symptoms which are found in hypnosis in man.
>
> Simonov PV</h4>
> Publication Types:<ul><li>Review</li><li>Review,
> tutorial</li></ul>PMID: 2215892, UI: 91015681</blockquote>
> <doctype>
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=2215892&am
> p;form=6&db=m&Dopt=bNeurosciBehavPhysiol1990May-Jun;
> 20(3):230-5
>
> "...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
> itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
> change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
> inhibition and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov
>
> In the followin SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH STUDY you may
> substitute pronged spiked pinch or slip choke collars for shock
> and add PUNISHMENT, SCOLDING, CRATING, and offering
> and witholding rewards, attention, and affection:
>
> Psychological Effects
>
> At issue is the question, --Do electronic training
> devices elicit psychological responses?
>
> "This section cites several research studies in which the
> psychological impact of the use of electronic training devices
> was analyzed. It is difficult, at best, for anyone to determine
> the full psychological effect of these devices or training methods
> until we can agree on exactly what constitutes a stress signal in
> a domestic dog. Not only do none of the researchers agree on
> what it is, but it varies from dog to dog.
>
> It is even more difficult for humans to determine the full effect
> of shock on a dog (or any animal) due to the animal's hard-wired
> need to hide pain in order to survive in the wild.
>
> Training dogs with the help of the shock collar: Short and long
> term behavioral effects. (Schilder, M. & van der Borga, J. (2004).
> Applied Animal Behavior Science, 85, 319-334).
>
> The goal of this study was to determine the behavioral changes in
> dogs during training using electronic training collars. Thirty-two
> dogs were divided into two groups, each receiving both general
> obedience and protection training.
>
> One group was trained with shock collars and the other group
> without shock collars. The dogs trained with the shock collars
> displayed signs of stress: lowering of body posture, high-pitched
> yelps, barks and squeals, avoidance, redirected aggression, and
> tongue flicking.
>
> It was also noted by the authors that, even during play and relaxed
> walking, the group of dogs trained with shock collars continued to
> show signs of stress while in the company of their handler.
>
> The authors concluded that shock-collar training is stressful;
> receiving shocks is a painful experience to dogs; and the shock
> group of dogs evidently learned that the presence of their owner
> (or his commands) announced the reception of shocks, even
> outside of the normal training context.
>
> They suggest that the welfare of these shocked dogs is at
> stake, at least in the presence of their owners.
>
> This study has come under considerable fire because the experience
> of the handlers and dogs is not clear, and the level of shock is not
> stated. With that said, it does suggest that dogs are stressed by the
> experience of being shocked during training.
>
> ---------------------
>
> Author and professional dog trainer LeeCharlesKelley wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jerry, that's a helpful bit from the guy
> who started it all. This shows what we've been
> saying: that teaching the dog to play fetch,
> regardless of its usefulness in the eventual
> search part of the training program, is a
> powerful motivator and reinforcer.
>
> Of course these idiots (pardon my being blunt)
> don't see using food and clickers as being a
> form of coercion. Maybe they've been hypnotized
> by Karen Pryor, et al:
>
> Freeze Frame <{}: ~ ) >
>
> From: canis55 <cani...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Date: 1999/09/28
> Subject: Dear Marilyn Re. Ness
>
> Dear Marilyn,
>
> I just visited your updated site. The two Ness pages are great.
> Freezing the video frames to reveal the emotional impact a
> leash correction has on a dog was a wonderful idea.
>
> Lee Kelley did something similar to a Brian Kilcommon video.
>
> The difference is we were focusing on the emotional impact a
> leash correction has on the trainer. When you do this to a training
> video you can clearly see the tremendous emotional charge some
> of these trainers are getting from hurting dogs.
>
> It's a strange business, this dog training. I wonder what motivates
> any of us to engage in it. I'm suspicious of anyone who says they
> do it because they love dogs. I know a lot of people who claim to
> love what dogs represent to them, and yet they don't become trainers.
>
> I don't think this is because they love something else more.
>
> I think there is a difference between loving what dogs represent
> to us and loving what training them creates in us or even creates
> in them for that matter.
>
> It's a complicated process and perhaps many of us have lost sight
> of what we're doing. I read books and articles that matter of factly
> explain how to systematically inflict pain on dogs in an effort to
> create a desire to perform tasks that I often see dogs performing of
> their own accord. I know many of these behaviors can be shaped
> and encouraged to the same degree of reliability without all the
> violence and pain.
>
> Where they can't (if that's the case), I wonder why we think
> a dog should perform a task that is so repugnant to its nature,
> that we must resort to violence and coercion to compel them
> to participate.
>
> Maybe I have far too much respect for dogs, but when I read
> this stuff it sounds like slavery and involuntary servitude to me.
>
> I can't see much difference between what we're doing to them
> (for their own good) and what my country men did to the African
> peoples for nearly half a century.
>
> It's hard for me to accept that I'm surrounded by so much
> madness, but I have to go with my heart on this one. Most
> of what we demand from dogs--if not all of it--will be offered
> willingly and enthusiastically if we only learn how to request
> it in a manner they can comprehend.
>
> If it turns out that I have to attack a dog to get it to do or to not do
> something, then maybe the dog isn't supposed to do what I think it
> should.
>
> The whole thing's so complicated that I can't really express it. I
> just know I don't like some of the stuff I'm seeing or reading about.
> --
> I trains'em as I sees'em.
>
> ----------------
>
> Why Do You Reward The Dog For Being Bad?
> Was:
> Punish Dogs Children SP-HOWESESWith PRAISE,
> Unconditional LOVE, TRUST, And RESPECT
> <{) ; - ) >
>
> Always praise the dog to show him that you affectionally
> sup****t or love him. Praising the dog has nothing to do
> with what he has just done, it has to do with your
> relation****p with him.
>
> "Good dog" means "I love you, dog".
>
> If the dog is anxious, then you make certain that he
> knows that he is in a safe and trusting environment.
> You praise and admire him.
>
> Correction is the opposite signal, you are my enemy,
> and this results, quite naturally, in the dog behaving
> aggresively - why not, you've declared that you are his
> enemy.
>
> Why does paradoxical reward work?
>
> The dog defecates on the floor. You come up and say
> "Good Dog" you love and praise him.
>
> THE DOG KNOWS YOU LOVE HIM.
>
> The dog defecates on the floor because he is anxious.
> No wild wolf, jackal, or coyote defecates in his den.
> If he defecates in his den its because a bear is outside
> trying to get in and eat him.
>
> The dog knows that it is stupid to
> defecate where he eats or sleeps.
>
> Don't you?
>
> If the dog feels safe he'll behave as if he
> is safe, no pooping on the living room floor.
>
> Almost all maladaptive behavior is due to fear, anxiety,
> expectation of disaster. Correct the situation, and the
> dog behaves fluently like a ..... Dog!
>
> Punishment deranges behavior, it is never never never appropriate.
>
> Love the dog.
>
> Praise is never punishment, praise is like giving a
> piece of steak. If you give a piece of steak to a dog
> after he defecates on the floor he'll stop defecating
> on the floor.
>
> Fondly, Dr. Von
>
> ----------------
>
>>> Perhaps she shouldn't name it NUTHIN?
>
> Seems you ain't had such good LUCK with the
> DEAD critters you've named, eh, paulie??
>
>> Again, JH the PW tries to be hurtful in a vain and hypocritical attempt
>
> NOT TRUE, paulie. I don't TRY to be HURTFUL to you
> PATHETIC MISERABLE STINKIN ROTTEN LYIN
> ANIMAL MURDERIN MENTAL CASES, I HURT
> you COWARDS BIG TIME, EVERY TIME <{}: ~ ( >
>
>> to reach out to those he wants to convert to his
>> "gentle" methods of "unconditional praise".
>
> WRONG AGAIN, paulie. I AIN'T INTERESTED in teachin
> LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN MENTAL CASES HOWE to
> BE NICE to their DEAD critters. My INTENT is to IDENTIFY
> EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT you dog abusin cowards as the
> pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin MENTAL CASE that you are.
>
> LIKE THIS:
>
> Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
> "Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>
> <snip>
>
> If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
> probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
> any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
> not have taken him to obedience cl***** at this time
> if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
> here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
>
> Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
> his own, but he would not have been identified as
> dangerous.
>
> --------------------------
>
> BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
>
> Here's HOWE COME Muttley WENT INSANE and ATTACKED
> an innocent defenseless PUPPY and your DEAD KAT Photon
> RAN HOWET on you an GOT DEAD:
>
> "Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
> choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
> stern correction" --Janet Boss
>
> Here's janet's CUSTOME MADE pronged spiked pinch choke collar:
> http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt
>
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss
>
> "sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> "J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > I can't imagine needing anything higher
>> > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
>> > dog like a Lab.
>
> An INSENSITIVE DOG???
>
>> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
>> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
>
> Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
> cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
> been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
> know HOWE COME IT was MACED?
>
> janet CONtinues:
>> > My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are DOGS.
>> > I don't have anything against electronic bark collars, but they
>> > should be used in conjunction with actually working at training
>> > your dog(s).
>
> They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
> DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.
>
> -------------------
>
> LIKE THIS:
>
> Here's janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON "student" paul:
>
> #2 - 6/05/07
>>> When I was training him under Janet's supervision
>>> I was instructed to give it a ? firm yank as a correction.
>>
>> I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm
>> yanks on a chain choke collar. I hate the things.
>>
>>> She was able to get his attention with
>>> just a quick tug, but I had to yank on it
>>> hard enough to lift him off his feet to get
>>> him to respond. Looking back now, I think
>>> it was based on his fear, which he had for
>>> her (as an unknown), but not for me
>>> (whom he had learned to trust).
>
>> He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a
>> confident trainer. Fear has no place in dog
>> training, as I told you THEN.
>> Janet
>
> It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
> popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
> is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
> of further punishment.
>
> Sure, if it is administered very consistently
> by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
> to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
> so what remains is negative.
>
> Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
> how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
> from me without lunging for it. When you offered
> it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
> a fear behavior.
>
> Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
> learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
> a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
> to think on his own, but that's just my way of
> doing things, and that's probably not going to
> change much. He may never win an obedience
> medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
> of control, either.
>
> Paul and Muttley
>
> "I thought I was told that the way to get the dog to go
> down was to make him sit and then step onthe leash.
> That was awkward and didn't seem to work.
>
> I will confess that I only tried the "down" position
> once or twice at home, and I also often used it
> instead of "Off" when I wanted him to stop
> jumping on me or elsewhere I didn't want him to be.
>
> I had to give him corrections every few seconds,
> and also just about kick him, to keep him at my
> left side.
>
> Muttley is really a very sweet and loving dog, but
> he needs more socialization with other dogs. However,
> it is very likely that I will have him put down in a week."
>
> Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
> "Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>
> It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
> down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
>
> -----------------------
>
> HERE'S HOWE COME:
>
> Subject: Re: redirected aggression
> Date: 4/11/07
>
> "Janet Boss" <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:janet-730AB8.17321511042007@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> It seems I have been dealing with this a bit lately.
> Dog to dog and dog to person,, with dogs who are
> obviously overstimulated by what's in front of them.
>
> What's in front of them varies from people at the door
> to dogs in their path or directly in their face. The dogs
> in question all have very poor self control.
>
> I have dog(s) with not-so-great-natural self control,
> so it's something we constantly work on. We don't
> have redirected stuff going on, because we have enough
> obedience to avoid it.
>
> While I know that's the big answer for the dogs in
> question as well, I'm curious what things people have
> found useful to redirect/focus/gain attention from
> drivey dogs or just very distracted of over-the-top dogs.
>
> We're having success with my recommendations, but I'm
> always open to something novel that may be the hot ticket.
> --
> Janet Boss
> www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
>
> BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
>
>> Not that anyone except the morbidly curious or
>> a few newbies ever reads his posts.
>
> Oh, you mean, posts LIKE THIS?:
>
> Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
>
> "Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>
> Hello everyone:
>
> If you have followed some of my posts, you know
> something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
> large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
> or place in a better home.
>
> I will add a bit more history later in this post.
>
> Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
> class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
> performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
> sitting by my side.
>
> The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
> has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
> had the time to work with him much on that.
>
> I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
> while pu****ng his front legs down to the position,
> while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
> me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
> leash as I reflexively broke my fall.
>
> Muttley took the op****tunity to attack a young black
> male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
> Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
> soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
> pulled him off.
>
> That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
> Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.
>
> When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
> what should be done about Muttley.
>
> She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
> and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
> training would have any chance at working, and
> in any case, he was not suited to group training.
>
> She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
> and she recommended that he be euthanized.
>
> "They can't all be saved".
>
> <snip>
>
> --------------
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
>> I think JH is getting old
>
> Every day, paulie, another day older.
>
>> and tired.
>
> I'm gettin tired of you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
> animal murderin MENTAL CASES postin your ABUSE an
> self serving LIES IDIOCY and INSANITY here on my forums.
>
>> He rarely posts his marathon 100k to 200k rantings.
>
> Perhaps this post will measure up, eh, paulie?
>
>> But who knows what he says?
>
> Certainly you wouldn't. You couldn't even read my FREE
> manual past the part where you actually LEARN HOWE
> to TRAIN your "RESCUE" dog Muttley not to ATTACK
> innocent defenseless dumb critters simply by PRAISING
> them on accHOWENTA you COULDN'T STOP JERKIN
> and CHOKIN him <{}: ~ ) >
>
>> I just MAR,
>
> Of curse you do~!
>
>> while most just use filters.
>
> That so? Then who's doin all the COMPLAININ??
>
>> He's pissin' in the bitbucket!
>
> No paulie, I'm pissin up your filthy arses <{}: ~ ) >
>
> That's CLEAN ENGINEERING at its BEAST.
>
>> Paul and Muttley
>
> Charley Sante,
> Charley @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "Sante Means Health"
>
> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>
>
>
>
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