HOWEDY sharon aka sharon too veterinary malpractice office
manager, mrs. veterinary malpracticioner, animal murderin liar,
dog abusing punk thug coward and active acute chronic life long
incurable maliciHOWES malignant mental case and professional
veterinary client obs****ationist, anonymHOWES SPAMMER,
"Sharon Too" <askformyaddy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:PcOdnTkaFPDqYvvVnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Re: Reply to the Puppy Wizzard:
>
>> Great post, bears repeating. Good advice on finding a good vet!
>> Thanks.
>
> Bull****.
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual Forums
And Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research
Laboratories are FAMILY news groups, sharon too, you pathetic
miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin veterinary malpractice
office manager and FRAUD / SCAM ARTIST <{}: ~ ) >
> You're either a sub-standard sock puppet,
HOWE COME The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child,
*****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey
Wizard's fans are called sock puppets, liars, and forgeries,
sharon too, you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal
murderin veterinary malpractice office manager and FRAUD /
SCAM ARTIST <{}: ~ ) >
> or a learning disabled adult on weekend release from the assisted living
> facility.
So, NHOWE you're takin shots at the MENTALLY DISABLED?
> If the latter is true, I've got a multi-billionaire tribal chief uncle
in
> the Ivory Coast who wants to give you 50 billion dollars in exchange
> for your social security number and bank account information.
Well, that's the first honest statement you've ever made here.
> Don't forget your pass codes.
OtherWIZE your tribal chieftan uncle won't be able to get his money.
HOWEDY sharon aka sharon too veterinary malpractice office
manager, mrs. veterinary malpracticioner, animal murderin liar,
dog abusing punk thug coward and active acute chronic life long
incurable maliciHOWES malignant mental case and professional
veterinary client obs****ationist, anonymHOWES SPAMMER,
"Sharon Too" <askformyaddy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:cPWdnQ5HPpMIPczVnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> STOP REPLYING TO THIS NUTCASE, ESPECIALLY WITHOUT DELETING HIS SPEW.
>
> AND STOP CROSS POSTING.
>
> (YES, I'M SHOUTING)
"Sharon Too" <askformyaddy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:zb2dneeZ3pGPYtzVnZ2dnUVZ_v_inZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Forget it, pal, whoever you are. If you've got something
>> to say, say it in the usual way without all the bull**** that
>> goes with it. To be honest, I don't even bother reading
>> it, so I don't know why you're wasting your time sending
>> it.
>
> Why do you keep feeding this idiot?? Killfile him like everyone else
You mean the other malignant maliciHOWES incurable
lyin dog abusin mental cases, sharon too?
> so we don't have to see his spew.
You mean, the stuff that IDENTIFIES EXXXPOSES and
DISCREDITS you as a lyin animal murderin FRAUD an
SCAM ARTIST?
LIKE THIS:
HOWEDY sharon aka sharon too veterinary malpractice office
manager, mrs. veterinary malpracticioner, animal murderin liar,
dog abusing punk thug coward and active acute chronic life long
incurable maliciHOWES malignant mental case and professional
veterinary client obs****ationist, anonymHOWES SPAMMER,
"Sharon Too" <askformyaddy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:y4mdnXsCE4S7tm_anZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Well I do have to apologizes to you all then. I have talked with other
>>> members and was told that they truly did appreciate me posting a
>>> message like this.
INDEEDY~!
Natural heelth food products will put a huge dent into the
PROFITS of veterinary malpracticioner's prescription diet
GARBAGE dog food sales and will increase the longevity
and improve the heelth of veterinary CASH CUSTOMER'S
dogs and will further CRIPPLE the veterinary malpracticioner
PROFITEER <{}: ~ ( >
>> This is Usenet (Google for Usenet to find out what that means).
>> This is not a mailing list, and there are no members.
It means these are PUBIC UNMODERATED forums.
> And unless the other "members" are all on my blocked
> list or she/he talked to them all in person, I wasn't privy.
You're a pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin FRAUD.
> I'm offended...... (sniff)
Well just wipe your nose on your sleeve and read THIS:
Hey sharon? You remember Fred writin in askin for
ADVICE for that possum baby his kitty kat brang in?
You told him to put it HOWET in the woods where his
mommy could find IT. LikeWIZE you told his his mommy
might not accept IT back on accOHOWENTof he got
human scent on IT.
Then you told him to 'F-OFF' when he told you your
ADVICE was a DEADLY MYTH and DEAD WRONG.
LIKE THIS:
From: Jack Crenshaw
Date: Thurs, Jun 1 2006
Jack Crenshaw jcr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
alt.med.veterinary, rec.animals.wildlife, rec.pets
Sharon wrote:
>> What you just said is such a fountain of misinformation
>> I hardly know where to begin. First, the scent thing: It's
>> an old wives' tale, and totally false. Second, releasing a
>> juvenile back to the wild is as good as a death sentence.
>
>> The animal will not, repeat _WILL_ _NOT_ survive.
>
>> If you just want to kill the juvie, it would be
>> more humane to flush it down the toilet.
> We'll have to disagree on most levels.
> As for surviving alone in the wild, it's no more likely to
> sirvive *in most cases* domestically. Most people
> don't know the first thing about raising wildlife, thus my
> recommendation to contact a wildlife rehabilitator.
Your advice to contact a wildlife rehabber was a good one.
Your advice to release a juvenile back to the wild sucked rocks.
Your assertion that the mother would smell the human
scent on the baby and reject it was ridiculously wrong.
>> Finally, the bit about parasites and organisms. While it's
>> true that wild animals carry both, so do you. Unless one
>> plans to eat the dropping or some such, it is not an issue.
>
>> Most likely, the worst parasite problem you're likely
>> to get is a flea bite.
> There are plenty of parasites that are zoonotic diseases that
> cross species into humans. Hookworms and whipworms
> which are hard to get rid of to name two.
>
> Leptospirosis is on the rise and since it is contracted through
> contact with urine, more and more cases are seen in facilities
> that care for stray animals.
>
> Not at any time did I demean the OP by assuming that they
> would be eating feces. But we have to remember that some
> homes have children and toddlers in them. There was a case
> of a child dying from parasites licked from firewood brought
> in by the parents. And one does not have to ingest all parasites
> to be affected. How do we know that the OP's home does not
> have an ill person in it - one whose immune system is not
> compromised thus being more prone to some parasites?
>
> Advising someone who is NOT trained in wildlife rehabilitation
> to take a wild creature into their homes (taking care of them might
> as well be permission to take them into the home - because it is
> inevitable that they will) could be detrimental.
Oh, please. How far do you intend to reach to make a case for catching
hookworms from an opossum? It's true, it _COULD_ happen, esp. if
there's a child in the home who likes to lick things, and whose immune
system is compromised by radiation therapy. There's also a finite
probability that there's an inbound asteroid that has the opossum's
name on it.
Or a Bigfoot who got bitten by the opossum's mom, and is out to
get even. Stick with the higher probabilities. It does no good to
give advice based on 1000-year possibilities.
> Even the National Spossum Society recommends
> leacing the critters alone:
> "What to do if you encounter an opossum.... NOTHING.
> http://www.opossum.org/#Member****p
Let's be clear: In my post, you will not find _ANY_ suggestion that
the OP take the opossum into his home and keep it as a pet. And,
indeed, the best thing one can do for an opossum is to leave it alone,
just as the NOS says.
_HOWEVER_ -- you seem to have missed the part where
something has already been done. The baby is _ALREADY_
in his house. His cat brought it there. The issue, now, is how
to keep it alive until help arrives.
Seems to me the OP only has two choices: Either keep it
warm and feed it decent food, until he can get it to a rehabber,
or take your advice and relegate it to certain death.
Jack
From: Sharon
Date: Thurs, Jun 1 2006 10:36 am
Email: "Sharon" <askformya...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Groups: alt.med.veterinary, rec.animals.wildlife, rec.pets
Your reading comprehension was compromised somewhere
along the way. I'm not pulling this info out of my butt.
FYI - a child's immune system doesn't have to be suppressed by
radiation to act as a host for a parasite. It is immature and
developing.
Continue giving dangerous advice. I prefer to dump your a**.
--
*There are no accidents in life*
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Subject: Metacam WARNING
HOWEDY MJS,
I'm posting my reply to sharon a.k.a. sharon too directly to
you so's there'll be NO WAY you can miss it. I think that'll
greatly enhance the EMBARRASSMENT factor, kinda like
HOWE the cross postin does <{}: ~ ) >
Wouldn't you agree?
"Sharon Too" <askformyaddy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:13s1gtvm9e9lj90@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Several years ago my now 9 year old cocker spaniel was
>> prescribed Metacam for minor arthritis . Metacam is
>> apparently the drug of choice by vets for this condition.
>
> Be careful about speaking for the whole profession.
INDEEDY. NOT ALL veterinarians are lyin animal
murderin frauds an s***bags like yourself, sharon.
It's kindly of you to defend them~!
> Metacam is NOT the drug of choice for all vets.
RIGHT. Of curse not.
You make more money and other perks off of Rimadyl:
From: Pluffmud97 -
Date: Sat, Apr 4 1998 12:00 am
Email: pluffmu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Pluffmud97)
I sincerely hope your dog will survive. This drug
has been on the market for over a year now - the
Pfizer Co. that makes this drug has been allowing the
deaths of hundreds of dogs to occur because they will
not make public the many serious and deadly side effects.
The drug was never tested properly - it was not tested
long enough - the dosage prescribed in the U.S. is higher
than that prescribed in England where Rimadyl has been
used for a much longer time.
There are many people who have owned older dogs and put
them on Rimadyl as a last resort to help ease the pain
of arthritis. When the poor dog dies, does the owner
question the use of Rimadyl?
Probably not. They just think their dog died of old age.
Pfizer does not care - they care about the money they make
from the drug! Vets don't care - they care about keeping
the drug manufacturers happy and looking out for each other.
The drug reps don't care - they tell the vets what the
vets want to hear so the vets will buy the drugs that
they sell at an incredible markup
Only the dogs suffer - if your dog is on Rimadyl you had
better make your vet do blood workups, etc. - or your dog
may join the other poor animals who have suffered liver
problems, severe hemorrhaging, perforate ulcers and god
knows what other effects from this drug.
========
>>Bigger profit margin than on aspirin!!!.
>
> I'm sorry about your situation, but please don't jump into the
> "vets-are-in-it-for-the-money" bandwagon.
RIGHT~!
Subject: torn ACL
HOWEDY sharon aka sharon too veterinary malpractice office
manager, mrs. veterinary malpracticioner, liar, dog abusing
punk thug coward and active acute chronic long term incurable
mental case and professional veterinary client obs****ationist,
Sharon wrote:
> > AH! My 2 year old pit tore his ACL yesterday. my vet said i should
visit
> > an orthopedic specialist for surgery,
Yeah. They're as thick as thieves, eh sharon aka sharon too,
veterinary malpractice office manager and mrs. veterinary
malpracticioner and veterinary malpractice apologist /
obs****ationist <{) ; ~ ) >
> > and i have been researching, and there are some other options. the vet
> > also gave me Rimadyl for anitinflamatory and pain.. but have been
> > reading about the bad side effects of this drug and am considering
> > taking him off of it. any help or advice??
BWEEEAHAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!!
> > has anyone else experienced a dog with a torn ACL before?
Yeah. Many of the dog lovers here abHOWETS got the same problem.
> > please let me know, thank you, Kelly.. and Jake.
Torn ACLs are CAUSED BY STRESS from MISHANDLING.
> Torn ACLs don't heal on their own
Sez YOU. Below you'll find five CASE HISTORIES stating
EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of what you sez.
You're in the BUSINESS of misleadin veterinary clients to
increase profits through unnecessary inapupriate dangerHOWES
surgical mutilations and pharmacutical company scam drugs
which comprise 50% of your unethickal profits.
You sound sincere and caring but you AIN'T NUTHIN but a
goddamened liar, fraud, thief, animal abuser and murderer
and professional apologist. THAT'S HOWE COME you manage
your veterinry malpracticioner husband's veterinary malpractice.
> and the longer you wait, the more the dog will start over relying on the
> other leg and put it at risk for joint disease
That's sheer idiocy. HOWE COME we don't see the same
"phenomenon" in three legged dogs, sharon aka sharon
too, veterinary malpractice apologist / obs****ationinst?
YOU'RE A LIAR.
ACL DIS-EASE is the #1 surgical mutilation in the USA after
unnecessary inapupriate surgical ***ual mutilations. The ACL
tear / rupture is an EMOTIONAL STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASE CAUSED BY your veterinary malpractice
and "traditional" training and handling as recommended by your
veterinary malpractice.
> and possibly another torn ACL.
IN MOST CASES the other leg FAILS for the SAME REASON
the first leg failed. Dogs are NATURAL ATHLETES sharon
too, veterinary malpractice office manager and veterinary
malpractice apologist and mrs. veterinary malpracticioner.
THERE AIN'T NO REASON HOWE COME a dog engaging in normal
activities should become CRIPPLED OTHER THAN IATROGENIC
ASSAULT including garbage commercial diets recommended
by the client's veterinary malpracticioner.
> As for the Rimadyl,
"Also, these Vets receive perks from the drug manufacturer
Pfizer when they buy Rimadyl to sell to animal owners. Vets
could get points from Pfizer for each Rimadyl purchase they
made; points were redeemable for PalmPilots, Zip Drives, and
other equiptment!"
Date: Mar 14 2000
Since Rimadyl's 1997 launch, the FDA has received re****ts of
about 1,000 dogs that died or were put to sleep and 7,000 more
that had bad reactions after taking the drug, records and official
estimates indicate.
The FDA says such events are significantly underre****ted.
-----------
From: The Annals Of Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory
Subject: Rimadyl poisoning--again
From: Jaimie
Date: Wed, Apr 1 1998 12:00 am
Email: c...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Jaimie)
My 9 year old female Samoyed was put on the poison
Rimadyl for about 2 weeks for arthritic knee. I read
posts to this group discussing the horrors of the drug.
She was in such pain, I decided to give her a few more
dosages. I should have listened to you wise posters.
For three days my dog had weird yellow urine and yesterday
and today wouldn't eat. I took her to the vet and found out
she now has liver damage and will be in the hospital for as
long as it takes to reverse the damage--IF they are able to.
Cady, our Sammy, was a pretty healthy dog until the Rimadyl.
Now she's on the critical list. The makers of Rimadyl should
be put out of business. They are marketing poison and should
be forced to take it themselves.
Jaimie
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From: LuSwinton
Date: Wed, Apr 1 1998 12:00 am
Email: luswin...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(LuSwinton)
Jamie: I know what you are going through - I have been there!
His name was George - he was on Rimadyl less than
30 days before his collapse and subsequent death.
Make up your own minds about this drug. I would
never use it for any of my animals again, ever!
Please let me know how you dog is doing ! I pray he does
not die like my dog (a chocolate lab, named George) did.
I am praying for the safe recovery of your dog.
Most Sincerely,
Jean Townsend
Johns Island, SC
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From: coloredhead
Date: Sun, Apr 5 1998
There are too many people who have lost pets to Rimadyl,
myself included, for you to defend in ANY way the drug
company who produces it!
I challenge you to have the same feelings about
Rimadyl once you have suffered a loss because of it.
Our dog died an agonizing death, and I wouldn't
wish it on _any_ other dog.
One more condescending reply to this newsgroup from
you and I will puke all over my keyboard!!!!!
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From: Bados
Date: Wed, Apr 8 1998
I wasn't able to save my labrador, Bados, who
died BEFORE Pfizer publicly acknowledged the
serious side effects.
Perhaps I can save someone elses.
Nancy Carr
New Jersey
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From: Mishelle Fresener
Date: Tues, Apr 7 1998 12:00 am
Email: Mishelle Fresener <mishf...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
My dog died due to Rimadyl (at least I believe she did)
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> As Buglady said,
BugF'nNUTS is a lyin animal murderin coward like yourself
who works for a veterinary malpracticioner like your husband
who's office you run.
> baseline chem panels are standard protocol with NSAIDs as well as
> follow-ups.
Are those given complimentary, courteHOWESY of
the veterinary malpracticioner PROFITTING from the
drugs they sell?
> That's what people whould be warned about.
INDEED?
Hey sharon? Don't you think that by the time the tests
reveal the dog is goin into kidney / liver failure, that
the DAMAGE is already DONE, kinda like HOWE
it might happen if WON was to accidentally take a
baby critter HOWETA their kitty kat's MHOWETH
an find that it's a orphaned opossum?
> It certainly doesn't kill all of the life cycle of the flea.
That's curiHOWES. It AIN'T suppHOWESED to KILL them,
sharon. It's a REPELLENT. You put it ON the dog's FUR. Of
curse, there IS a strong probability that occasionally giving
garlic internally MAY kill a variety of parasites, includin and
PARTICULARLY, HW.
HOWEver, the veterinary malpractice and pharmacutical industries
DON'T WANT to test the efficacy of NATURAL CURES for DIS-
EASES as it would PUT YOU HOWETA BUSINESS.
IN FACT, 90% of your practice goes RIGHT DHOWEN the crapper
as soon as folks wize up and follow the MONEY trail to your practice
and see the EFFECTIVE CURES you and your industry repress in favor
of SELLIN TOXIC treatments which CAUSE DIS-EASE, just like your
surgical ***ual mutilations.
From: showdogbark
Date: Sun, Apr 30 2006 6:09 pm
Email: "showdogbark" <jotnarin...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
I have used half Engevita Yeast and half Flake yeast
with Garlic Powder, not tablets along with Dulce or
Kelp powder for fleas for years on my dogs and cats
in their diet daily, and along with absolutelty no
fleas, they love the taste.
Often if a dog comes to visit and they are not hungry
due to being left without their owner and are avoiding
their food, just putting the mix on their food makes
them very interested in eating. My friends have used
this mixture for years and also no fleas.
I certainly agree with Jerry that chemical so called
solutions to fleas are only of help to the chemical
companies and the pockets of vets to be fattened.
Also Dr. Pitcairn is a fabulous source of info. But
when it comes to fleas it is the above mixture I
mentioned that for 20 years has been my solution
and my friends solutions also.
Remember it must be powder and organic garlic not
just any powder on a shelf with additives.
Stay away from drugs for yourselves and for dogs and cats.
Be Well, and love your animals by being nonviolent with them
and that means using methods of training like Jerry's and the
First Nations along with no chemical garbage as so called
nutrition or help with medical problems like fleas.
Do Good, Be Good, Be One.
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> And it can also be toxic.
That so? Oh, you mean like your PROFESSIONAL advice, sharon?:
From: Sharon
Date: Sun, Apr 30 2006 11:03 pm
Email: "Sharon" <askformya...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
I think it's best to think of garlic as it relates to fleas
like sprinkling sage around the edges of a kitchen to keep
ants out. The ants are still there - alive - procreating,
just like the fleas will be. Further, fleas can cause issues
with the humans in the house. It's better to ask your vet
about a product that will kill all stages of the fleas' life
cycle.
-Sharon
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INDEED? THAT'S WHAT KILLED Sage...
LIKE THIS:
Subject: Warning Revolution Heartworm Med
From: LUVAPOOCH
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2000 3:00 am
Email: luvapo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(LUVAPOOCH)
Kelly Cruzan On 3/15/00 wrote:
I asked my Vet for a Heartworm preventive for my 2 year
old Australian Shepherd, Sage. They recommended Revolution.
It was applied on 3/15/00. On 3/20/00 Sage developed a cough,
but she was otherwise fine.
She had had a bath at the Vet on 3/15/00 also, so I decided
to watch her for further symptoms. On 3/23/00 she was fine
until late afternoon when she became quiet and didn't want
to play.
By 7pm that night, she had trouble opening her left eye and
whimpered when she jumped down from the couch or bed. In
the past, Sage always had a tendency to bruise easily.
She had sensitive skin and worry an area until it bruised.
She had no trouble with her blood clotting and had been
previously spayed.
She now had bruising on her body. When I took her to the
Vet, he asked if she had been in rat poison. I informed
him that she was an inside dog and only went out to play
with the kids and to use the bathroom. My neighbors have
pets and do not put out poisons. They also asked if she
had had a blow to the head because there was blood in the
whites of her eyes that was not there yesterday.
I stated that she was not hit in the head. I asked if it
could be the Revolution and was informed that it could not
be. I told my vet that was the only thing that Sage had
been exposed to.
He did a CBC and her platelets were 87 and WBC count was
27,000. her Hct was 37. He treated her for infection and
rat poisoning and sent us home.
Within 3 hours she was falling over. I rushed her back
to the Vet and he kept her until 5pm that afternoon. I
brought her home after they said she was doing better.
At 6pm she was again falling over and I called my Vet back
and was informed to bring her back the next day. By 11pm,
she was bleeding from her nose and had vomited with streaks
of bright red blood. My husband and I drove her to an ER
clinic in Savannah, GA and was told that it was either a tick
born disease or rat poisoning or a blow to the head.
I again asked if could be the Revolution and was informed no.
They kept her and treated her as my vet. When I called at
6am, I was informed that she was having seizures but she was
otherwise stable. I was worried about a subdural hematoma
and talked with my Vet.
He suggested I take Sage to Charleston, SC to see a Specialist.
She arrived there at 4:30pm. When I gave her history, I again
asked if it could be the Revolution and was informed no. Later
that night Sage continued to have seizures and she bled into the
orbits of her eyes, but they said their was still hope.
At 6:45am they called and said Sage had arrested and
was on a ventilator. We asked that they let her go.
This has been devastating to my family.
We loved that dog. She was a family member. At 10am, the
clinic called and asked for an autopsy. They informed me
that another dog had died last month there, with symptoms
the same as Sage. The dog was an inside dog and the only
thing different was that the owner had started Revolution.
The dog died of low platelets and intracrannial
hemorrhage just like Sage.
The vet in Charleston called the Revolution people and
they are paying for Sages autopsy. They also paid for
the other dogs autopsy. That autopsy showed low platelets
and intracrannial hemorrhage from a toxin. (? Revolution
was the only toxin the owners had given).
I will not know the results of the autopsy for a month,
but I believe it was the Revolution. If 2 dogs have died
in the Savannah-Charleston area in the last month, how
many nation wide.
Please spread the word for owners to be careful about
using this drug on their dogs. No dog should suffer
like my Sage suffered.
Thanks for Listening,
Terri Eddy
Rincon, GA
HOWEDY jst,
jst wrote:
> Sharon wrote:
> > What are you doing for flea prevention?
Allergies are a result of compromised auto-immune
system. Auto-immune systems are COMPROMISED
by STRESS, insufficient diet, and TOXINS.
ALL commercial dog food is GARBAGE.
sharon is a veterinary malpractice office manager and
mrs. veterinary malpracticioner and proven lyin dog
abusing punk thug coward active acute chronic long
term incurable mental case.
She SELLS toxins and prescription garbage diets for her
livin when she ain't SELLIN MUTILATIONS and MURDERIN
dogs and comfortin their owners while acceptin their payments.
Shell fleece you as fast as her own veterinary malpractice
customers..
> Frontline,
HOWEDY Nell71,
Nell71 wrote:
Subject: Re: Broken Heart Needs Answers/Help My dog has died
From: Nell71
Date: Sat, Mar 4 2006 10:03 pm
Email: Nell71 <Nell71.246...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
My dog has died and I was hoping if I give you the details that you
could shed some light on what could have happened to her. The vet
didn't know and we couldn't face an autopsy. We have talk to a few
professionals who deny Frontline could have been the prbolem.
At 5pm on Monday night, Frontline Plus was applied as per instructions.
By about 6.30-7pm she was showing signs of disorientation, looking
vague (I would call her and she stared blankly at me), fatigue, panting
heavily, a little drool, excessive thirst. No vomiting but a 'hack' a
couple of times. No diarrheoa. No bleeding that we could see.
We phoned 24 hour local vet who said it couldn't be the Frontline so
she would be ok.
We watched her over night, but by morning still very thirsty, fatigued,
vague. Called our vet who said if she was still the same later that day
to bring her in.
My partner was finally able to get off work to check on her at 4pm that
day on the Tuesday.
Temperatures outside were 38c and he found her sitting by the pool gate
(we always left the doors open so she could have stayed inside in the
cool), panting heavily, glassy eyed, drooling, a little foamy in
corners of mouth, tongue blueish under and white on top, gums whiteish.
He got her into the car, by the time he reached the vet 5 minutes away
she was limp. The vet gave her 2 adrenalin shots and got her heart
going again but she died.
If it is any help with diagnosing, she has always been a little
'simple'. We lovingly said she was our down syndrome dog as she hung
her head to the left from birth with her tongue hanging out the left
side of her mouth. She was always a little left sided when walking etc.
She would run and get the ball and drop it straight away then run to
you with nothing.
She would growl when you hugged her and we have never
hurt her for her to be aggressive. We have been told maybe
she had a neurological disorder, does it sound like it to you?
We have Rhubarb in our pool area but don't think she ate any
although this is toxic.
We get poisoned dead rats in the pool area (from other people, we don't
use snail pellets or rat poison ourselves) and found one there the day
after but it wasn't undisturbed, could a 'lick' have killed her?)
Frankly we blame ourselves as it seems too coincidental for it to be
anything but the Frontline Plus.
What do you think the symptoms show?
Any past experiences, thoughts are appreciated,
Thanks in advance
--
Nell71
That's too bad Nell71. The Freakin Simply Amazing
Puppy Wizard will PREY for him <{): ~ ( >
> and I was hoping if I give you the details that you could shed some
light
> on what could have happened to her.
Could be. The DOG LOVERS you're askin here abHOWETS got
very long posted case histories of hurtin intimidatin an
murderin innocent defenseless dumb critters through
TRADITIONAL abuse mishandling and veterinary care and
malpractice <{): ~ ( >
DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS <{) : ~ ( >
---------
From: showdogbark -
Date: Sun, Apr 30 2006
Garlic is not to be used in large does in the mixture I mentioned,
the other things that are offensive to fleas is the Engevta Yeast
and the Flake yeast, some people find just using the two yeasts
enough of a flea deterrent.
Powdered garlic is much easier to use in about one teaspoon to
two cups of the yeast mixture. It does not take much and that is
not logical that there is a temptation to use more as it is not
addicting, and as I mentioned it is not the garlic alone that works
it is the mixture of the yeasts along with it.
The smell of the yeasts is not appealing to fleas. Another
method that works for many people is to take a teaspoon of
the mixture for a severe case and rub it into the dog's fur,
for as I said the fleas do not like the smell, and then after
that feed it to the dog sprinkled on it's food twice a day.
What would a vet know except something that would be
self serving to sell, yeast and garlic do not line
their pockets.
Show Dog
Subject: Re: Fleas, Brewers Yeast, Garlic
Date: 30 Apr 2006 14:42:18 -0700
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Joe Johnston wrote:
> Who has had first hand experience with tablets containing
> brewers yeast and garlic ?
It may or may not be effective for flea CON-TROLL. Yeast and garlic
are GOOD but garlic should be given in small quantities or s****adically
otherWIZE it can be poisonHOWES.
> Did the tablets help reduce your dog's flea problem ?
The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard lives in central
Florida and AIN'T seen a flea in years <{) : ~ ) >
90% of ALL DIS-EASE are IDIOPATHIC / IATROGENIC e.g.
CAUSED BY a compromised auto immune system CAUSED BY commercial garbage
diets and toxins SOLD to you through your
veterinary malpracticioner, therefore PREVENTABLE, using
apupriate care and handling <{); ~ ) >
> Joe
Here's HOWE to prevent fleas witHOWET using the dangerHOWES
toxins your veterinary malpracticioner sells to gouge you at the EXXXPENSE
of your dog's heelth and maybe even his life:
From: The Annals Of Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences
Research Laboratory
Subject: Lyme Disease?
HOWEDY ryan.begin,
ryan.be...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> I have a two year old English Springer Spaniel.
A DOG Is A Dog;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES
As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.
ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Cir***stances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
Any Three Week Old Puppy Got
All The BRAINS HE NEEDS
To HOWEtwit The Cunning
Of ANY
Professional Domestic Puppy Dog Trainer
OR
University Trained Behaviorist
JUST LIKE HOWE
ANY
UbiquitHOWES Pathogen
CAN HOWEtwit
The Cunning of Any
Veterinary Malpracticioner
Or
Pharmacutical Company
> We live in MD and he loves the outdoors. Today was his annual checkup.
90% of ALL DIS-EASE are IDIOPATHIC / IATROGENIC e.g. CAUSED
BY a compromised auto immune system CAUSED BY commercial
garbage diets and toxins SOLD to you though your veterinary
malpracticioner, therefore PREVENTABLE using apupriate care
and handling <{); ~ ) >
> After running some blood tests, it was concluded that Polo
> (springer) has Lyme disease, or some sort of dormant Lyme
> disease in his bloodstream.
HEELTHY CRITTERS DO NOT GET DIS-EASES <{); ~ ) >
> The nurse mentioned 30-40% of the dogs in our area have
> it, and with some antibiotics he should be fine.
UNLESS the antibiotics KILL him.
> My questions are this:
You AIN'T gonna get a straigh answer from these lyin
dog abusing punk thug coward active acute chronic long
term incurable mental cases who jerk choke shock crate
bribe intimidate mutilate and murder innocent defenseless
dumb critters an LIE abHOWET it to defend themselves <{): ~ ( >
> 1. Polo has already gotten his Lyme disease vaccination,
> shouldn't this have protected him?
You mean LIKE THIS?:
From: Sue and Angel Jadee
Date: Thurs, May 31 2001 4:12 pm
Jadee had the lyme vaccine series at about 4 mo. and they
yearly booster the next summer. That summer we diagnosed
her with kidney problems. I have now read that kidney
damage might occur. I can't guarantee that it was the
lyme vaccine, but I do know that this new pup will NOT get
the vaccine.
As far as we know, Jadee's kidney disease was a result of
genetics. We never had anything more than sonograms done.
We didn't feel further extensive testing would change the
outcome, and at that point, it didn't matter. Her one
kidney was architecturally not right, the other was small,
but functioning.
------------
AND SHE DIED hence the "Angel" Jadee <{): ~ ( >
> 2. I noticed a correlation between a deer tick he got
> on his nose and an ear infection/ swollen glands under
> his ear a couple months ago.
You'll have to look it up an see if that can be a SYMPTOM
of the Lyme bacteria <{): ~ ) >
The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ "if
it can't be PREVENTED with gentle tender loving CARE
and apupriate nutrition then it can be FIXED with Crazy
Glue. If it can't be fixed with Crazy Glue IT CAN'T BE
FIXED" <{): ~ ( >
> The vet treated it as an ear infection since springers
> are so prone to them.
THAT'S INSANE. Ear infections are CAUSED BY STRESS:
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving
Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of
Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
To IGNORE THIS is CRIMINAL:
"Every stress leaves an indelible scar, and the
organism pays for its survival after a stressful
situation by becoming a little older," Hans Selye.
Hans Selye
Hans Selye was born in Vienna in 1907. As early as his second
year of medical school (1926), he began developing his now-
famous theory of the influence of stress on people's ability
to cope with and adapt to the pressures of injury and disease.
He discovered that patients with a variety of ailments manifested
many similar symptoms, which he ultimately attributed to their
bodies' efforts to respond to the stresses of being ill.
He called this collection of symptoms--this separate stress
disease--stress syndrome, or the general adaptation syndrome (GAS).
He spent a lifetime in continuing research on GAS and wrote some
30 books and more than 1,500 articles on stress and related problems,
including Stress without Distress (1974) and The Stress of Life (1956).
So impressive have his findings and theories been that
some authorities refer to him as "the Einstein of medicine."
A physician and endocrinologist with many honorary degrees for his
pioneering contributions to science, Selye also served as a professor
and director of the Institute of Experimental Medicine and Surgery at
the University of Montreal.
More than anyone else, Selye has demonstrated the role of emotional
responses in causing or combating much of the wear and tear experienced
by human beings throughout their lives. He died in 1982 in Montreal,
where he had spent 50 years studying the causes and consequences of
stress.
> Could this have been a symptom?
The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard ain't fixin to look it up.
> 3. We have been very good at putting Frontline Plus on our dog.
> We usually put it on the back of his neck. Why didn't this stop
> him from contracting disease?
You mean LIKE THIS?:
HOWEDY Nell71,
Nell71 wrote:
> Re: Broken Heart Needs Answers/Help
> My dog has died
That's too bad Nell71. The Freakin Simply Amazing
Puppy Wizard will PREY for him <{): ~ ( >
> and I was hoping if I give you the details that you could
> shed some light on what could have happened to her.
Could be. The DOG LOVERS you're askin here abHOWETS got
very long posted case histories of hurtin intimidatin an murderin
innocent defenseless dumb critters through TRADITIONAL abuse
mishandling and veterinary care and malpractice <{): ~ ( >
DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS <{) : ~ ( >
> The vet didn't know
Of curse not. LikeWIZE you'll NOTICE the veterinary EXXXPERTS
here abHOWETS didn't respond to your post. PERHAPS they're
TOO BUSY tendin to their own DEATHLY ILL dogs?
> and we couldn't face an autopsy.
Your vet probably "couldn't find" anything anyHOWE.
> We have talk to a few professionals who deny
> Frontlinecould have been the prbolem.
Naaaah? DO TELL???
> At 5pm on Monday night, Frontline Plus
> was applied as per instructions.
The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard don't approve
of using toxic substances on livin critters UNLESS we
want to MURDER them. There's PLENTY of NON TOXIC ways
to CON-TROLL fleas and DIS-EASES. Fully 90% of ALL DIS-
EASE are idiopathic / iatrogenic in nature IOW CAUSED
BY traditional abuse and veterinary malpractice <{) : ~ ( >
You'll find PLENTY of alternatives to TOXINS in Dr. Pitcairn's
books on Natural Pet Care. HOWEver, HOWER DOG LOVERS
PREFER to buy toxins from their TRUSTED veterinary malpracticioners
like we got RIGHT HERE whom The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy
Wizard has IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and DISCREDITED as bein LIARS DOG ABUSERS
FRAUDS and MALPRACTICIONERS <{): ~ ( >
> By about 6.30-7pm she was showing signs of disorientation,
> looking vague (I would call her and she stared blankly at
> me), fatigue, panting heavily, a little drool, excessive
> thirst. No vomiting but a 'hack' a couple of times. No
> diarrheoa. No bleeding that we could see. We phoned 24 hour
> local vet who said it couldn't be the Frontline she would
> be ok.
INDEED?
> We watched her over night, but by morning still very
> thirsty, fatigued, vague. Called our vet who said if
> she was still the same later that day to bring her in.
> My partner was finally able to get off work to check
> on her at 4pm that day on the Tuesday. Temperatures
> outside were 38c and he found her sitting by the pool
> gate (we always left the doors open so she could have
> stayed inside in the cool), panting heavily, glassy
> eyed, drooling, a little foamy in corners of mouth,
> tongue blueish under and white on top, gums whiteish.
S-HOWENDS like POISONING.
> He got her into the car, by the time he reached the
> vet 5 minutes away she was limp. The vet gave her 2
> adrenalin shots and got her heart going again but
> she died. If it is any help with diagnosing, she has
> always been a little 'simple'. We lovingly said she
> was our down syndrome dog as she hung her head to the
> left from birth with her tongue hanging out the left
> side of her mouth. She was always a little left sided
> when walking etc.
Perhaps the Frontline neuro toxins had a more
severe effect on her due to some birth defect.
> She would run and get the ball and drop it
> straight away then run to you with nothing.
That's pretty normal. Could be she was tryin to
get YOU to retrieve her ball an throw it again.
> She would growl when you hugged her and we
> have never hurt her for her to be aggressive.
Could be she was just TALKIN affectionately.
> We have been told maybe she had a neurological disorder,
Yeah. PROBABLY from the Frontline NEURO TOXIN.
> does it sound like it to you?
Yeah...
> We have Rhubarb in our pool area but don't
> think she ate any although this is toxic.
Dogs don't ordinarily eat it.
> We get poisoned dead rats in the pool area (from other people,
Unless she's VERY small eatin a poisoned rat
probably wouldn't kill her. Rat poison usually
takes a few days to work usually requiring more
than WON feedin on the poison.
> we don't use snail pellets or rat poison ourselves)
> and found one there the day after
A rat coulda carried it in.
> but it wasn't undisturbed, could a 'lick' have killed her?)
Probably not.
> Frankly we blame ourselves as it seems too coincidental
> for it to be anything but the Frontline Plus.
Well WHO TOLD YOU to use Frontline?
> What do you think the symptoms show?
Sounds like she died from NEUROTOXINS.
> Any past experiences, thoughts are appreciated,
You're askin LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS and ACTIVE
ACUTE CHRONIC LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES who'll
DO an SAY ANY THING to DEFEND their alleged RIGTH to
HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER innocent defenseless dumb
critters <{); ~ ) >
> Thanks in advance
BugF'nNUTS aka "buglady" works for a VETERINARIAN.
Her own DEATHLY ILL DOGS are DYIN from STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome
suggested you "HONOR YOUR DOG" by FORGETTIN abHOWET IT.
> --
> Nell71
The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard recommends
you HONOR YOUR DEAD DOG by WARNIN folks abHOWET it.
> 4. The doctor indicated that by treating him with
> anitbiotics he should be fine. Is this accurate?
Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory
Risks Associated With Synthetic Thyroid / Prescription Medications
Researchers at Pennington Biomedical Research
Center published a study in the journal Thyroid
proving synthetic thyroid hormone depletes
calcium weakening the skeleton, increaing risk
of osteo****osis and bone loss.
Synthetic thyroid binds with iron, causing anemia
and fatigue, hair loss, brittle nails and general
susceptibility to DIS-EASE. The Freaking Simply
Amazing Puppy Wizard's friend Dr. VonHilseimer
recommends eating chicken necks as a natural
source of thyroid (see Pottinger Price Foundation
for more information).
Other researchers re****t many prescription drugs
like antibiotics may deprive the body of folic acid
which can increase homocysteine, an amino acid
linked to heart disease, anemia, fatigue, depression,
insomnia, nerve inflamation and increased risk of
cancers.
Depletion of magnesium can lead to formation
of kidney stones, clotting problems, muscle
spasams, generalized PAIN, constipation,
fatigue, high blood pressure.
Amoxycillin, ciprofloxacin, lansoprazole, cipro,
amoxil, augmentin, flonase, fosamax, zocor, liptor,
glucophage, tri-cyclen, prevacid, prilosec, prozac,
levothyroxine, azithromycin, simvastatin, omeprazole,
pantoprazole may drain the body of specific nutrients
e=2Eg. statin drugs can deplete CoQ10, resulting in
fatigue, weight gain, high blood pressure, reduced
muscle performance and congestive heart failure.
Omega-3 fatty acids are im****tant in the production
of hormones that act in nearly every body system
including the eyes, digestion, liver, stomach, large
intestine, urinary tract, kidney, skin and respiratory
systems. Without fatty acids skin would be dry, flaky,
wounds wouldn't heel pupperly, plaque would form on
arteries, and cause low blood pressure and arythmias.
---------
> My wife is pretty upset about this, and I'm
> looking for some guidance.
TRY THIS:
HOWEDY dra. carla, dvm, you miserable lyin animal murderin
veterinary malpracticioner, fraud, coward, and active acute
chronic long term incurable mental case,
Dr.Carla,DVM wrote:
> 1. Has your vet suggested a susceptibility test?
> It would help to determine which antibiotics this
> strain of pseudomonas is susceptible to and will
> help cure the infection.
SHAAAZZZAAAMMM???
> 2. Also, have you ever heard the saying "its
> going to get worse before it gets better"?
You mean like HOWE The Freakin Simply Amazing
Puppy Wizard BEEN TELLIN you bums <{): ~ ) >
> Well sometimes when animals are getting better they may
> actually seem like they are a little worse. This can
> be due to the fact that, like you said, she is just sick
> of being sick and now she is relaxing while the drugs
> finally are starting to kick some bacterial booty.
You mean the kat might PROBABLY be havin a REACTION
to the antibiotics dra. carla, dvm., IOW a IATROGENIC
DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{): ~ ( >
> Animals in the wild must always look and act like
> they are at the peak of health in order to avoid
> getting picked off by predators. This instinct
> can even be seen in domesticated carnivores like
> our cats.
ONLY in ABUSED, REPRESSED and INTIMIDATED
critters like your own deathly ill kat and your customer's
critters, dra. carla, dvm.
> This is one possible reason your cat may actually
> seem worse when she might be getting better.
Isn't THAT a CONtradiction of what you just sez?
> 3. Sometimes we need to continue treating even after
> the signs have cleared up. For example if you have
> ever had strep throat and your Doctor gave you 10
> days of antibiotics and insisted you take all 10
> days, even though you will feel a lot better in 3
> days.
HEELTHY CRITTERS DO NOT GET SICK dra. carla, dvm.
The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ "if
it can't be PREVENTED with gentle tender loving CARE
and apupriate nutrition then it can be FIXED with Crazy
Glue. If it can't be fixed with Crazy Glue IT CAN'T BE
FIXED" <{): ~ ( >
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving
Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of
Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
To IGNORE THIS is CRIMINAL:
"Every stress leaves an indelible scar, and the
organism pays for its survival after a stressful
situation by becoming a little older," Hans Selye.
Hans Selye
Hans Selye was born in Vienna in 1907. As early as his second
year of medical school (1926), he began developing his now-
famous theory of the influence of stress on people's ability
to cope with and adapt to the pressures of injury and disease.
He discovered that patients with a variety of ailments manifested
many similar symptoms, which he ultimately attributed to their
bodies' efforts to respond to the stresses of being ill.
He called this collection of symptoms--this separate stress
disease--stress syndrome, or the general adaptation syndrome (GAS).
He spent a lifetime in continuing research on GAS and wrote some
30 books and more than 1,500 articles on stress and related problems,
including Stress without Distress (1974) and The Stress of Life (1956).
So impressive have his findings and theories been that
some authorities refer to him as "the Einstein of medicine."
A physician and endocrinologist with many honorary degrees for his
pioneering contributions to science, Selye also served as a professor
and director of the Institute of Experimental Medicine and Surgery at
the University of Montreal.
More than anyone else, Selye has demonstrated the role of emotional
responses in causing or combating much of the wear and tear experienced
by human beings throughout their lives. He died in 1982 in Montreal,
where he had spent 50 years studying the causes and consequences of
stress.
> Its because you may have killed off some of the
> bacteria causing the disease in the first few
> days,
This DIS-EASE is CAUSED by a compromised auto-immune
system, dra. carla, dvm. The bacteria exists EVERYWHERE.
Was it not for a compromised auto-immune system the kat
wouldn't even notice the ubiquitHOWES pathogen <{); ~ ) >
> enough to make you feel a lot better but, the
> more resistant stuff is still hanging around.
Perhaps THAT'S on accHOWENT of the CAUSE of the
compromised auto-immune system is still arHOWEND.
> For this reason many drug protocols advise treating
> for longer periods of time than we might think they
> need to.
Right. Which in and of itself CAUSE other IATOROGENIC DIS-EASES.
> Just some thoughts
Let's talk abHOWET your own kat DYIN of STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE / IATROGENIC DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's
Syndrome, dra. carla, dvm <{); ~ ) >
> And about the pill stuffing; I've been having to give
> my cat medications since he was diagnosed HCM over a
> year ago.
INDEED? Here's a few THOWESAND links suggesting your
kat's HCM is CAUSED BY STRESS from abusive mishandling:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q25462AEC
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J53415AEC
> Some cats will just never get used to it.
INDEED? The kat is AFRAID of his handler and THAT'S
the ONLY difficulty he's got for acceptin his pills
to CURE his STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka
The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{); ~ ) >
JUST LIKE YOUR OWN DEATHLY ILL KAT. The PROOF is IN
your own posted case history and professional practices
of abusing innocent defenseless dumb critters an lyin
abHOWET it <{): ~ ) >
> Sorry. I give my cat his pills first thing in
> the morning before he gets his morning meal.
You mean his medication for his BROKEN HEART dra. carla, dvm.
> This way its kind my way of letting him know that when
> it comes to getting his medication, I'll always win,
INDEEDY. And THAT'S HOWE COME your kat is DYIN of
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy
Wizard's Syndrome <{); ~ ) >
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have re****ted ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents tem****arily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
> and then he gets his treat (breakfast).
SHAAAZZZAAAMMM???
"Postitive emotions arising in connection with
the perfection of a skill, irrespective of its
pragmatic significance at a given moment, serve
as the reinforcement. IOW, emotions, not outside
rewards, are what reinforces any behavior," Pavlov.
> We're going to the vet's again tomorrow to get his
> medicine, but any outside data would be appreciated.
HOWEDY sharon aka sharon too veterinary malpractice office
manager and mrs. veterinary malpracticioner,
Sharon wrote:
> >Advantix is good, but it is HIGHLY toxic to cats! Even if you dog lays
> down and leaves a small amount (if its still wet) and the cat licks
> it,it can kill the cat.If the cat grooms the dog even after if dry it
> will kill the cat.
> That's not completely true.
Sez you sharon too? You've got a very long posted
case history of hurtin intimdiatin mutilatin and
murderin innocent defenseless dumb critters an lyin
abHOWET it <{): ~ ( >
> Should it be applied to the cat? No.
Perhaps is shouldn't be applied to dogs either?
> It takes no more than 12 hours to absorb into the skin.
> Separate the pets if it concerns you. But I can tell you
> that we've had no issues at our practice and the folks at
> both Merial (Frontline) and Bayer (Advantix) repeatedly
> mention that if it were the case, these preventives would
> never be on the market.
You think the SALES REP is gonna tell you the truth?
Perhaps you just fell HOWETA a cabbage truck an landed
on your head?
> As with any product or medication, directions must be
> followed and application to 4 spots is a must. It absorbs
> quickly this way.
Here's a couple interestin CASE HISTORIES and some non toxic advice:
Subject: Advantix and Mood Change
From: Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory
HOWEDY brian.lange,
brian.la...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> We have a 7 month old golden retreiver pup and when we give him his
> monthly Advantix for flea and tick, for a good 24 hours, his mood
> completely changes ... wants to be by himself, hides under tables,
> chairs, etc.
WELCOME to the world of veterinary approved poisons.
> Basically, he becomes a completely different "person."
Naaah? The EXXXPERTS tell us that's GOOD for dogs.
> Has anyone else had similar experiences?
Yeah. Most of the DOG LOVERS here got DEATHLY ILL and DEAD
DOGS on accHOWENT of their mishandling and inapupriate veterinary
malpractices.
Have you had your dog surgically ***ually mutilated yet?
Better hurry. Oh, bye the bye, ONLY LIARS DOG ABUSERS
COWARDS and ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC LONG TERM
INCURABLE MENTAL CASES post here abHOWETS.
> Thanks.
You're welcome!
Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory
Subject: Re: Canadavets.com
HOWEDY tom,
Tom wrote:
> Is anyone familiar with this site? I just ordered Frontline plus from
> there. Prices are good, and I do realize the product is manufactured
for
> Australia, but I presume that it's the same medicine (different label)
as=
I
> would pay twice as much for here.
Do you BELIEVE frontline or ANY systemic POISON is SAFE?
WOULD YOU BET YOUR OWN LIFE ON IT?
Subject: Re: My dog has flees
HOWEDY Prophet,
Prophet wrote:
> What should i do?
1st, You should go to The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives
on Google and other fine pubicly archived news group
search engines and type in the correct SPELLIN and
see what The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ HE DOES to live
in a flea and other parasite free environment.
2nd, DO NOT believe the professional lying dog abusing
punk thug coward mental cases who SELL training lessons
and promote unethickal veterinary practices like toxic
substances and surgical ***ual mutilation which may harm
your dogs and family.
3rd, if you DON'T FIND a definive authentic Amazing
Puppy Wizard's Post then ASK HIM HOWE to accomplish
whatever your needs are.
4th, DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE so if you see
someWON giving you contradictory information, KNOW
that they're a miserable lying dog abusing punk thug
coward and DISREGARD them. Better yet, tell them to
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Subject: Re: Excerpt: Dr. Pitcairn's Complete Guide
to Natural Health
for Dogs & Cats
HOWEDY Jane,
Thank you for the valuable information. Dr.Pitcairn's
works are EXXXCELLENT, to say the least. In addition
to Pitcairn's fleating (Ouch!) tips, I recommend insect
growth regulators (IGR's) and beneficial nematodes.
For daily grooming / inspection I always have a "Q-Tip"
soaked in alcohol to quickly swab them up off the dog
and dunk it back into a small bottle of alocohol to
dispatch them.
Of curse, cleanlieness is next to G-dlieness!
Thank you again,
Yours,
The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >
Jane Smith wrote:
> The following is an excerpt from the book Dr. Pitcairn's Complete
> Guide to Natural Health for Dogs & Cats
> by Richard H. Pitcairn, DVM, PhD, and Susan Hubble Pitcairn
> Published by Rodale; September 2005;$18.95US/$25.95CAN; 1-57954-973-X
> Copyright =A9 2005 Richard H. Pitcairn, DVM, PhD, and Susan Hubble
> Pitcairn Safe, Effective Flea Control
> The best approach to controlling fleas is to start with the least
> toxic and most natural choices, resorting to stronger measures only
> if reasonable control is not achieved. As a prerequisite to any flea-
> control program, I recommend building up your animal's health and
> resistance as much as possible through a healthy diet and lifestyle.
> Along with that, it's im****tant to practice thorough sanitation and
> cleaning. Understanding the life cycle of the flea makes it clear why
> cleaning is so im****tant. Adult fleas live about three to four months.
> During that time they are steadily laying tiny white eggs on your pet
> that look like dandruff or salt crystals. Flea eggs hatch out into
> larvae that live in the cracks and crevices of rugs, upholstery,
> blankets, floors, sand, earth, and the like.
> Because these tiny larvae cannot jump or travel very far (less than
> an inch), they feed on the black specks of dried blood ("flea dirt")
> that fall off along with the eggs during grooming and scratching.
> After one to two weeks, the larvae go through a cocoon stage (pupa).
> A week or two later, they hatch out as small fleas that hop onto the
> nearest warm body passing by (usually your pet -- sometimes you!),
> bite it for a meal of blood, and then start the whole process all
> over again. This cycle takes anywhere from 2 to 20 weeks, depending
> on the temperature of the house or environment.
> During summer -- flea season -- the entire cycle is usually just 2
> weeks long. That's why fleas increase so rapidly at that time. The
> bad news is that, no matter how many adult fleas you manage to kill,
> numerous future fleas are developing in the environment simultaneously.
> The good news is that these eggs, larvae, pupa, and the flea dirt they
> feed upon can be sucked up by a vacuum cleaner or washed away in the
> laundry. And because the developing fleas are so immobile, they are
> most concentrated wherever your pet sleeps, so you know where to focus
> your efforts.
> Your im****tant ally in the battle against fleas is cleanliness, both
> for your pet and your home, particularly in your pet's sleeping areas.
> Regular cleaning interrupts the life cycles of the fleas and greatly
> cuts down on the number of adult fleas that end up on your pet,
> especially if you act before flea season begins. So start your program
> with these nontoxic steps.
> Steam clean your carpets at the onset of flea season (or whenever you
> begin your flea-control program). Though it is somewhat expensive, steam
> cleaning is effective in killing flea eggs.
> Thoroughly vacuum and clean floors and furniture at least once a week
> to pick up flea eggs, larvae, and pupae. Concentrate on areas where
> your pet sleeps and use an attachment to reach into crevices and corners
> and under heavy furniture. If there is a heavy infestation, you may want
> to put a flea collar (or part of a flea collar) in the vacuum bag to
kill
> any adult fleas that get sucked up and might crawl away. Or else
> immediately dispose of the bag or its contents because it can provide a
> warm, moist, food-filled environment for developing eggs and larvae.
> Mop vinyl floors. Launder your pet's bedding in hot, soapy water at
least
> once a week. Dry on maximum heat. Heat will kill all stages of flea
life,
> including the eggs.
> Remember that flea eggs are very slippery and easily fall off bedding
> or blankets. So carefully roll bedclothes up to keep all the flea eggs
> contained on the way to the wa****ng machine. Bathe the animal with a
> natural flea-control shampoo. Use a nontoxic shampoo as recommended
> above, such as one containing d-limonene (dogs only). Use a flea comb
> to trap and kill fleas that are on your pet. Most pet stores carry
> special fine-toothed combs that trap fleas for easy disposal. Make a
> regular habit of flea-combing your pet while you watch TV or talk on
> the phone. Depending on the degree of infestation and the time of year,
> this might be daily (at the onset of the flea season), weekly, or
monthly.
> Gently but thoroughly comb as many areas as your pet will allow,
> especially around the head, neck, back, and hindquarters. As you
> trap the little buggers, pull them off the comb and plunge them
> into a container of hot, soapy water (or dip the comb and pull
> the flea off underwater). Cover your lap with an old towel to
> catch extra clumps of hair and flea dirt and to wipe the comb
> off as you work.
> When you're finished, flush the soapy water and fleas down the
> toilet. If your pet goes outdoors, follow these steps as well.
> Mow and water your lawn regularly. Short grass allows sunlight
> to penetrate and warm the soil, which kills larvae. Watering
> drowns the developing fleas.
> Encourage ants. Perhaps I should say "do not discourage ants."
> They love to eat flea eggs and larvae. This is another reason
> not to use pesticides that kill all the insects in your yard.
> "Sterilize" bare-earth sleeping spots.
> If your pet likes to sleep or hang out in a certain bare or sandy
> area, occasionally cover the spot with a heavy black plastic sheet
> on a hot, sunny day. Rake up any dead leaves and other debris first.
> The heat that builds up under the plastic does an excellent job of
> killing fleas and larvae. Of course, this is not appropriate to use
> where you want to preserve live grass or plants.
> Apply agricultural lime on grassy or moist areas. This helps to
> dry out the fleas. Rake up any dead leaves and grassy debris first.
> Along with the above steps, you might try these methods to repel
> fleas that may try to jump back on your pet, especially those harder-
> to-kill ones hanging out in the backyard.
> Use an herbal flea powder. You'll find them in pet stores and natural
> food stores, or you can make your own. Combine one part each of as many
> of these powdered herbs as you can find: eucalyptus, rosemary, fennel,
> yellow dock, wormwood, and rue. Put this mixture in a shaker-top jar,
> such as a jar for parsley flakes.
> Apply the flea powder sparingly to your pet's coat by bru****ng backward
> with your hand or the comb and sprinkling it into the base of the hairs,
> especially on the neck, back, and belly. To combat severe infestations,
> use several times a week. Afterward, put your animal friend outside for
> awhile so the disgruntled tenants vacate in the yard and not in your
> house. Some herbal flea powders also contain natural pyrethrins, which
> are not strong flea-killers but do seem to greatly discourage them.
> Use an herbal flea collar. These are impregnated with insect-repellent
> herbal oils. Some are made to be "recharged" with the oils and used
again.
> Buy them at natural food stores.
> Try a natural skin tonic. The animal herbalist Juliette de Bairacli-Levy
> recommends this lemon skin tonic, which many of my clients successfully
> use on their pets for a general skin toner, parasite repellent, and
> treatment for mange.
> Thinly slice a whole lemon, including the peel. Add it to 1 pint of
> near-boiling water and let it steep overnight. The next day, sponge
> the solution onto the animal's skin and let it dry. You can use this
> daily for severe skin problems involving fleas. It is a source of
> natural flea-killing substances such as d-limonene and other healing
> ingredients found in the whole lemon.
> Add ample nutritional or brewer's yeast and garlic to the diet. Some
> studies show yeast supplementation significantly reduces flea numbers,
> though others indicate no effect. My experience with using yeast is
> that it has some favorable effect, particularly if the animal's health
> is good. You can also rub it directly into the animal's hair. Many
people
> also praise the value of garlic as a flea repellent, though so far
studies
> do not sup****t this.
> If these methods do not control the fleas sufficiently, take the
following
> steps. Get your carpets treated with a special anti-flea mineral salt.
> There have been some developments in safe flea control. My clients
re****t
> success with a service that applies or sells relatively nontoxic mineral
> salts for treating carpets. (Fleabusters is the company recommended.)
> Effective for up to a year, the products safely kill fleas and their
> developing forms over a few week's time.
> Once or twice a year, sprinkle natural, unrefined diatomaceous earth
> along walls, under furniture, and in cracks and crevices that you cannot
> access with a vacuum. This product, which resembles chalky rock, is
really
> the fossilized remains of one-celled algae. Though direct skin contact
is
> harmless to pets and people, it is bad news for many insects and their
> larvae, including fleas.
> The fine particles in the earth kill insects by attacking the waxy
> coating that covers their external skeletons. The insects then dry
> out and die.
> I do not recommend using diatomaceous earth frequently or directly on
> your animal -- mostly because of the irritating dust that can be
breathed
> in by both of you. It is also messy. Be careful about breathing it in.
> Wear a dust mask when applying. It is not toxic, but inhaling even the
> natural, unrefined form of this dust can irritate the nasal passages.
> Im****tant: Do not use the type of diatomaceous earth that is sold for
> swimming pool filters. It has been very finely ground, and the tiny
> particles can be breathed into the lungs and cause chronic inflammation.
> Use a spray or powder containing pyrethrins or natural pyrethrum. These
> are the least toxic of all the insecticides used on pets, and they are
> found in both conventional and natural flea-control products. For a more
> lasting effect, use a microencapsulated product, which is perhaps
labeled
> "slow release." Repeat the applications as you simultaneously use the
> carpet treatment system or diatomaceous earth. This will help kill both
> adult fleas and developing fleas at the same time.
> Reprinted from: Dr. Pitcairn's Complete Guide to Natural Health for
> Dogs & Cats by Richard H. Pitcairn, DVM, PhD, and Susan Hubble Pitcairn
> =A9 2005. Richard H. Pitcairn, DVM, PhD, and Susan Hubble Pitcairn
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> Authors
> Richard H. Pitcairn, DVM, PhD, opened the Animal Natural Health Center,
a
> clinic offering only holistic animal care, in 1985. Recently retired
from
> practice, he teaches post-graduate courses in homeopathic medicine to
> veterinarians.
> Susan Hubble Pitcairn was a major contributor to the first two editions
of
> this book. As the third edition goes to press, she is splitting her time
> between artistic pursuits and the sup****t of positive social change.
> For more information, please visit www.drpitcairn.com
Death Producing Ulcers:
"Emotional Influences On Health & Behavior"
Dr. George Von Hilsheimer
Emotional Influences On Behavior
Illness is directly related to depression and lack of
adjustment, particularly to a new environment (Parens,
McConville & Kaplan, 1966).
A WIDE RANGE of PSYCHOSOMATIC or
CORTICOVISCERAL DIS-EASES was surveyed
by Wittkower (1965) to demonstrate the enormous
im****tance of emotional factors in general health.
Interview findings of emotional material (recently
experienced hopelessness) pryor to biological
examinations correctly identified 11 out of 19 with
cervical cancer, and 25 of 32 who were cancer free
even though psychological tests failed to discriminate
these groups (Schmale & Iker, 1966)
150 lung cancer patients showed significantly
constricted expression of emotions. The had fewer
childhood behavior problems, and lower neuroticism
score than their cancer free controls. Heavy cigarette
smokers who DO NOT INHALE are more apt to have LUNG
CANCER. They, too, show LOWER neuroticism scores.
Among heavy cigarette smokers poor emotional
expression is as highly related to cancer as urban
residence and is more im****tant than a chronic cough
or an air polluted environment (Kissen, 1966).
A ten year observation of all the women who developed
cancer in an isolated pupulation of 2,550 showed that
they tended to be unstable or sub stable personalities
characterized by melancholy and extraversion,
especially marked with those of an undecided body
build (Hagll, 1966). Personality dynamics effect both
the development of cancer and it's SITE. Cancer
may result from what appears to be a failure to grow--
somatically, behaviorally and psychologically
(Grinker, 1966).
In 109 cases leukemia and lymphoma were associated
with a number of losses or separations and with
feelings of sadness, anxiety, anger or hopelessness.
The PRIMARY FACTOR seems to be the shame and
hopelessness of running out of psychological resources
(Green, 1966). Cervical cancer patients are less
emotionally responsive, more isolative, and less
frequently diagnosed as having clinical neuroses than
cancer free patients. There is NO CLEAR DIFFERENCE in
their FEELINGS and ATTITUDES toward coitus (Rotkin,
Qunk, & Couchman, 1965).
Schmidt (1966) surveyed nearly 100 studies of
behaviorally induced DIS-EASE in animals CONFIRMING
and EXTENDING the DATA on PEOPLE. Behaviorally
induced DIS-EASES tend to fall into two groups;
(1) Hysteriform problems, which INCLUDE HYSTERICAL
SEIZURES and FORMS of AGGRESSION as well as
collective panic and epilepsies;
(2) organic modifications, including functional difficulties
and lesions affecting gastro intestinal, cardio vascular,
respiratory, ***ual, endocrine, skin, urinary, and neuro
muscular systems.
It is INTERESTING, and SLIGHTLY HORRIFYING,
to note that the ONLY SCIENTIFIC RELEVANCE of
the standard six hour school day that I have been able
to detect in research is that Sawrey and Weisz quite
by accident found that six hours on and six hour off of
"EXECUTIVE BEHAVIOR" in monkeys was the ONLY
TIME STRUCTURE that INDUCED DEATH PRODUCING
ULCERS.
From: "Dr. Von" <drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 12 Sep 2005 10:52:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Clicker Training for Dogs Newsgroups?
Jen, your request for a positive only dog training list,
needs the same answer as I give the folk who ask why I
don't have a list for what I do with biofeedback.
The method is so simple, and if you adopt it and relate
to your dog in such a positive manner you won't have any
more problems and there is no need for any more technique.
With Puppies we Ph.D. psychologists have been outflanked
by the entirely practical and effective methods described
in http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u.
Free download, nothing
sold, no mailing list, no distribution of your name. Free
sup****t if needed.
With ADHD kids I provide similar information at
www.drbiofeedback.com and there is no need for
a list dealing with problems with kids. Apply
as directed and have happy healthy doggies or
kiddies.
Not difficult.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
P=2ES. jerk and choke, spanking, shocking, scruff shake,
choke, chin chucks, all those negatives, denial of
affection etc. are harmful, dranging, obscenities.
You might want to consider Pavlov's typology to
understand "hard and soft dogs" - essentially he
taught that there are outward and inward responding
organisms in weak and strong nervous systems and if
you grasp this firmly you'll shape your training
methods effectively.
Punishment ALWAYS deranges behavior, and so is
recommended and given only by deranged humans.
Of course, it doesn't matter if we are talking
dogs, cats, people, sheep, even husbands.
Dr. Von
From: Mike (m.bidd...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
> > Mike
> Ok Mike which part worked for you?
It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works like a charm.
My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.
Sorry that slipped my mind.
I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.
Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.
Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.
Seemed he learned through osmosis.
Nice side benefit there.
It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.
I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.
I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.
I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.
Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.
Mike
"Ama...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" wrote:
No, the dog learned that I would hold still
the second she began to pull. She would pull
to go where *she* wanted.
Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..
she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.
Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl
heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i
looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
to go again.
I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.
I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..
we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
better than what she wanted.. which was not often.
She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry...
he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
at 10pm on a sunday night.
One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
never had tension.
two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.
And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..
actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.
She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.
She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400
You might improve the learning of folk who actually
live with and train dogs to do useful things if you
excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.
I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor
of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR
OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.
This married pair of psychologists began the long trail
of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu
eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating
the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size
of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum!
The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's
summing up book, ***ULATIVE RECORD. They include a
sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand
the personal history of the particular animal, and the
history of this animal's species and group, the developmental
history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.
Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without
scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking,
you aren't going to have much success.
A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original
primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the
animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond,
say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright
light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex
of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.
Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training
and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross
motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the
animal takes action and uses an instrument.
The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other
contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator,
Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology
went haring after phantasmagora.
The major theorists for the development of the language of
operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and
B=2E F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major
role in the development of American psychology.
They proposed that learning is the result of the application
of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain
responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the
probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)
Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using
consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g.,
an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant"
because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is
influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning
illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often
viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that
follows the response that influences whether the response
is likely or unlikely to occur again.
It is through operant conditioning that
voluntary responses are learned.
One should note that Russian Psychology did very well
without the operant language, and only pettifogging
university professors ought to worry about what kind
of label we attach to the learning. Pfui!
Even Skinner understood this!
And please note if you saw the original movie, THE
MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist
who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX
THERAPY.
Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued
us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy
to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite
Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as
it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a
continual change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
What's im****tant is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:
whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine
"Linda" <llindaleedan...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in message
news:
I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.
At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.
I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.
I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.
At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"
I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."
*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sun****ne
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)
As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!
Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.
When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"
The results can make a believer!!!
Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
He just seemed to not notice any one.
When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.
If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
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From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sun****ne but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.
We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.
He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
I can never thank you enough for giving Sun****ne back!!!!!
I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.
I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-
- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.
They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
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Here's HOWE The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard feeds his dogs:
Breakfast At The Puppy Wizard's -
Chez du Chien -
Gourmet Recipies
HOWEDY People,
Unbeknownst to yourselves, this has been a difficult
couple weeks for Your Puppy Wizard. Not to complain,
but he's been necessarily tem****arily abandoned by
his Mrs.Puppy Wizard who had to attend to affairs out
of town for nine days.
Left alone, helpless and hapless to cope with domestic
and personal needs, to fend for HISSELF and his pups by
his own devices, his Mrs. Puppy Wizard HOWEver, is
considerate and foresighted enough to prepare His table
before him, in advance, and even calls to remind him to
breath, when necessary.
Your Puppy Wizard requires little from the physical realm,
existing primarily on prahana and nirvana as his staple diet.
HOWEver, his puppies unfortunately cannot thrive in the
physical world without the grounding effects of the evils
of wholesome food.
Mrs. Puppy Wizard prepares daily, fresh, well balanced
HOWES cooked meals. When Mrs. Puppy Wizard travels
occasionally, she prepares for the days of lean in advance,
by freezing two weeks worth of puppy chow and posting the
culinary instructions on the Puppy Wizard's coffee can, the
only physical need The Puppy Wizard requires, beyond his
internet connection and of course, his Mrs. Puppy Wizard
and puppies. But those are givens, naturally.
Mrs. Puppy Wizard prepares 2 meals a day. The
following recipe is for about a 100 pound dog:
Breakfast is half pound raw ground turkey, green
Source, and 1gram vitamin C, 200mg Omega 3 fish
oil and a *Iams cookie *(cause she LIKES to).
Dinner is 2 cups cooked rice, a tablespoon of rolled
oats and an ounce of hamburg. When the rice and oats
cool, add half cup pinto or similar beans, ground fine
in the food processor with equal amounts raw collard or
similar greens or your dog's favorite vegetable or cabbage,
a tablespoon or two Olive or Cannola oil, half clove garlic,
mixed with 1/2 pound raw ground turkey, a good vitamin /
mineral supplement (Green Source for People), calcium and
magnesium, 1 gram vitamin C, 200mg Omega 3 fish oil.
Addition of table scraps is encouraged, bear in mind
salt can be dangerous. The Puppy Wizard's diet is
environmentally friendly and will not produce noxiHOWES
g***** provided the vegetable and beans are ground
finely and because the Green Source contains digestive
enzmyes.
Of curse, that's just a BASIC guide. You may add fish
(canned mackrel is cheap and EXXXCELLENT) or chitlins,
liver or anything not too high in salt or preservatives.
BHOWEN APETITE!
> Thanks,
You're welcome!
> Ryan Begin
The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >
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