HOWEDY Beth,
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> Hi- we have had our dog (23 lb terrier mix) for 2.5 years,
> adopted at 1.5 years old. She has been a perfect dog,
> sweet and lovable and very friendly. She is in good
> health, great appetite, playful, etc. No pee/poo problems.
> For the last 2 weeks, she will bark and whine at night
> (midnight, 3 AM, etc).
Barkin is a SYMPTOM of SUMPTHIN WRONG <{}: ~ ( >
> She has free run of the house and may sleep in our bed or
> our son's bed. When I check on her, she is usually in the
> kitchen. I usually take her out for a quick pee, but then
> she continues to bark.
If there's NUTHIN WRONG then you can EXXXTINGUISH
her barkin NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by PRAISING her
IN ADVANCE and briefly, variably, alternately, NON physically
distracting and INSTANTLY PRAISING her for five to fifteen
seconds after she barks <{}: ~ ) >
> I have tried putting her in our bed and petting her,
That will REWARD and REINFORCE her barkin <{}: ~ ( >
> but she keeps whining and sometimes shaking.
Dogs can DIE from barkin like that <{}: ~ ( >
BINACA bethFIST'S DEAD DOG Kavik DROPPED
DEAD from BARKIN while IT was bein boarded for
a couple days JUST LIKE HOWE lyin lois edward's
DEAD DOG Duke DROPPED DEAD from BARKIN
while bein boarded overnight at the vets <{}: ~ ) >
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LIKE THIS:
Dave Cohen <coh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
Hi.
Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have
spoken with him briefly once by email.
I have no stake or interest in the success of his business.
I simply want to thank him publicly for one of his tips, with
regards to separation anxiety.
I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed animal
and then say good bye to my own dog, but I am usually a
very open minded person, so I tried it. Well, lo and behold-
the damn trick worked!
I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic.
Thank you Jerry!
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AND LIKE THIS:
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Professional
Trainer, 33 Years Experience.
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AND LIKE THIS:
Date: 2001-11-14 09:13:21 PST
"Yves Dussault" <ydussa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Hi!
> I have downloaded Wit's End Dog Training Method...
> In there there is that trick with a toy about
> "Separation anxiety surrogate toy technique."
> Anybody has tried that... I would like to give it
> a try with my GSP (German shorthair.....pointer)
> Comments? Yves Dussault
Yves,
I for one have tried it... in fact I use this all the time.
I just used it last evening while my husband and I went out
to see "The Mummy Returns" (a horrible turkey of a movie,
but at least the house wasn't chewed from end to end in the
meantime).
Yes, it really works. :-) So do the other
distraction/praise techniques described therein.
If you are interested in the manual, you will
probably want to begin the exercises as well.
Regards,
Lisa
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AND LIKE THIS:
From: "nicole" <>
To: "Jerald D. Howe"
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:46 AM
Subject: Off to a good start!
Hi Jerald,
Just wanted to tell you we read your manual and have
started working with the dogs...
"Chloe" (the one we adopted--a.k.a. "The Destroyer")
has already shown great improvement! (In Just 1 DAY!)
She responds even better than our other (better-behaved)
dog "Poe".
We tried out the surrogate toy technique, and not a thing
was touched when we got back! We were both surpised
because Chloe isn't that interested in toys and was still very
uptight about us reaching for the door...anyway, it seemed
to work. We both work all day today so we'll see how that
goes...
Regardless, we will be cool as cukes when we get home! ;)
I'm just so thankful we might have a chance to get
through to her! We're very excited about her progress
thus far...
Thank You!
Nicole, Michael, Poe and especially Chloe!
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> I need to be at work early, so I have resorted to putting
> her in our (nice finished) basement (with dog bed and
> comfy couches) and closing the door. After 5 min or so,
> she is quiet. Acts perfectly normal in the morning.
All you gotta do is PRAISE her and she'll be QUIET.
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"Estel J. Hines" <ejhi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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i read the Jerry method of Bark reductioon,
it went something like this with our 11
month old puppy "Yo****"
Yo****: Bark, bark,
us: HUSH You****
Yo****: Bark, bark......................
us: Hush You****
Yo**** BARK, BARK, BARK, ...........
it stopped when Yo**** got tired barking
We decided to try the Jerry method:
Yo****: BARK, BARK
US: GOOD Yo****, Good Boy, who is it?
Yo****: Bark, Bark
US: It's ok, good boy Yo****, We know them
Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that.
I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
can praise him, to deal with things like this
Thanks Jerry
ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
Papers, and learn how to live with our son
"Yo****", whom we love very much.
--
Best Regards,
Estel J. Hines
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"Brandy Kurtz" <KraftyKur...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello everyone! We have a 2 1/2 year old male
Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy
Wizard info, so I haven't actually started
to train yet.
Today a salesman knocked on the door, and Pokey
was going balisstic. I calmly go to the window
to see who it is, and off-handly say Good Boy,
It's a stranger, Good Boy.
Pokey shut right up, gave me a quizical look,
and came and sat beside my feet!
OMG, I could not believe it!
I was totally floored, as this has been his
behavior since a pup. Just wanted to update,
and Pokey and I are hitting the sack...;)
Brandy
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AND LIKE THIS:
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
Hello.
I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
I never trained or owned a dog before this
year.
I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.
Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.
I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.
I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.
A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.
We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he is very eager to accept our love.
So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.
His method worked for us.
I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.
Florence
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AND LIKE THIS:
From: "Marisa" <mari...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002
Subject: one day
I started some of the simple techniques in
Jerrys manual today.
The family pack exercise.... come command.....
that's all so far though.
I did get the proper equipment as well.
20 foot leash, cans with pennies partially
crushed, flat collar, etc.
I have also stopped any negative reinforcment
such as loud "No" and "Bad girl Sonique!"
(Sonique is my Jack russell) and holding her
back, which I normally MUST do or she'll jump
and nip sometimes, but always jumping and barking.
Already tonight some has started working.
When someone came to the door, Sonique
went nuts as usual.
I said "Thank you Sonique!"
"It's o.k. girl, thank you!"
And we got a total of about 6 barks and then
no jumping on guests, no biting, growling
or the worst, the continued barking she
normally does.
She accepted my praise, and trooted around,
still excited over guests, but she was WAY
more under control.
Even my roomates noticed this.
She repeated this same thing
without all her normal fuss later
when another two friends came over.
So I do need more time, going to keep with it
another day, another month whatever until I
know I am getting results, although I must say,
so far I am impressed with my dog.
She really responds to praise better than
she ever has responded to treats as distraction
from the guests and doorbell, or me yelling
"bad girl! go away now! shoosh up!" all the time.
I am also verbally praising her everytime
she makes eye contact with me. so hopefully
things will continue going well!-
- Marisa
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> I am wondering if I should just put her to bed in the
> basement after her last walk or is there something
> else I should be doing ?
You mean sumpthin else other than comfortin an
makin your dog FEEL happy, safe, and secure?
You MIGHT wanna try sprayin some BINACA in her
eyes or jerkin chokin an shockin her to keep her quite.
LIKE THIS:
Subject: Re: untrainable beagle! NEED HELP
"diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> in thread news:BO2Lg.4755$xV.1684@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"graham
> fandango!" <gmey...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled the following words:
> i have a ten year old beagle who i got from the animal
> shelter 5 years ago. its pretty clear he was abused in
> some form before he ended up in the shelter; when ever
> i reach for something, like the tv remote, too quickly he
> flinches. he gets scared when i sweep the kitchen floor
> and hides under the bed.
I have one too. I don't know her past history,or her age.
I use an antibark collar on her for my sanity. She's very
quiet, until I take it off. It doesn't train her not to bark,
because she barks when the collar is off. (beagles "Do
that")
There may not even be batteries in it, but she doesn't
bark... just in case.I'd supervise the first time you try
it, because I've heard of some dogs barking, and going
so spazzy over them that they died.
I really don't think you are going to train a dog that
age, especially a beagle, NOT to bark. I see your
options as being:
1) anti-bark collar
a)citronella
b)electronic
c)bark buster (your neighbors will
probably complain asmuch about
that as the howlng)
2) surgical debarking
3) placing the dog and accepting the consequences
4) moving
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"diddy" <none> wrote in message
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<barneytoe@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spoke these words of wisdom in news:
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> The shock is minimal and nothing to worry about.
>
> There are 2 different types that frequent this group:
> the high falutin city folk that believe dogs should be
> treated like children, and the answer for any problem
> is "enroll them in class and spend $300 to teach them
> not to do it, and put them in time-out, but be sure
> their paw socks are on before stepping outside if under
> 50 degrees, etc."
First, I know of a dog with an antibark collar, who
protested so violently, he spazzed out and killed himself.
He was found dead in his kennel the next morning.
What dog training schools charge $300?
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Your fellHOWE dog lover pals LOVE to HURT an
INTIMIDATE innocent defenseless dumb critters for
bein AFRAID.
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"J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
On 6 Feb 2006 17:41:08 GMT, Mary Healey
<mhhea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
clicked their heels and said:
> Does that include tone of voice?
> Some tools are easier to ban than others.
yes - screaming banshees are told to shut up! And I
always have to remind spouses that they may NOT do the
"honey - you're supposed to be doing it like THIS"......
--
Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
AND LIKE THIS:
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt
From: Rocky (2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: How to handle aggressive situations
Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST
Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> I try really hard not to yell. The times that I have,
> Solo joined in and then lunged to the end of the
> leash.
Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
others' dogs at agility trials or training.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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Sometimes my "voice of god" startles human
and dog, especially when the human didn't
see the inappropriate behaviour. --Matt.
Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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Rosa Palmén wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> Anybody else got bilingual dogs?
Long ago my Hebrew was pretty good - but now I
only use "Chutza"(throat clearing 'ch') - "Out" when
it's reallyreally im****tant that my dogs get away from
something.
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp
Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't
Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't Take It. I Still
Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My
Cat," Melanie Lee Chang * mch...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Canine Behavioral Genetics Project
University of California, San Francisco
http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 10 Jun 2003 18:00:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Absolutely abysmal agility day
Robin Nuttall said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> One of the things that frustrates me the most about
> agility is that people seem to think that ALL dogs
> are fragile, shrinking flowers who cannot be
> corrected in any way.
Well, maybe one day -- when Friday doesn't take
correction so much to heart -- I'll try something
different. Right now, he's just getting the confidence
to work a few jumps ahead of me.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Or you could just SHOCK them.
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"J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher than a 5
> > > with it, even with an insensitive dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
know HOWE COME IT was MACED?
janet CONtinues:
> > My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are
> > DOGS. I don't have anything against electronic bark
> > collars, but they should be used in conjunction with
> > actually working at training your dog(s).
They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.
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"Beth F" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
"Hold Back The Dobie Girl So That
Izzy Can Put Simon In His Place."
"Well, actually the binaca worked but after i
got him in the eye it was not a possibility to
be using that."
"Actually, the most common use of this technique
(and it is quite common) is with TABASCO sauce
either mixed with water in a spray bottle or on a rag
that you can stick in the dogs mouth instead of spraying
(after our experience I would suggest this method if I
was going to use this technique again). My dog likes
tabasco so that didnt' work for us.
Binaca was suggested as an alternative from a very
well respected dog trainer from the lower 48, however
I don't think she counted on his flailing his head in a
desperate attempt to get away from the sprayer causing
me to miss."
"Whatever motivates the dog, but I daresay most
of the dogs I have in cl***** just aren't that interested
in praise."
"I dont' jerk or choke my dog (the little one is
too little yet for a pinch collar). They simply
wear pinch collars. It prevents any jerking or
choking on their part."
"My dog in particular will ignore the citronella if he
feels making noise is VERY im****tant (for example
this week walking through the state fair he kept barking
away, and didn't even seem to notice) but was WAY
freaked out by the low setting on the shock collar."
"i didn't EVER shock kavik. i myself have never
touched a shock collar."
"Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away
is to step on him once. Seriously."
"BethF" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "Chris Mortimer" <chr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:3dc0e5bb$0$18849@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> snip
Chris, why dont' you give one example where one
of the regulars here has suggested someone hit,
alpha-roll, choke-chain a dog?
"BethF" b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
and i often call my little dog the turd, because
he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
would insult my dog like that so i guess its just
a matter of personality.
Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away
is to step on him once. Seriously.
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From: "The Puppy Wizard"
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003
Subject: Treats
From: BethF (d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: For Michael
Date: 2002-07-07 02:08:12 PST
>> I know of three dogs we tried electric shock collars
>> on and both were VERY sensitive and freaked out
>> about the shocks. None of those dogs were phased
>> by the citronella collar, particularly. It was clearly a
>> deterrent but no one behaved as if it was particularly
>> distressing.
>> My dog in particular will ignore the citronella if he
>> feels making noise is VERY im****tant (for example
>> this week walking through the state fair he kept barking
>> away, and didn't even seem to notice) but was WAY
>> freaked out by the low setting on the shock collar.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Whoops, there is more to this post - ok
>
> Here's what's accurate. You shocked, you sprayed
> binaca at your dog's face and were stupid enough
> to be "surprised" that he would desperately try to
> avoid the stinging.
>
> You citronella'd, you undoubtedly choked, at
> some point (denials notwithstanding) and I'm
> sure it got "ugly" many times in six months,
> like like it got ugly for Diddy in the six months
> before she decided to lock a "rescue" dog in
> an electrified horse stall to keep him from
> running away.
actually binaca in your mouth doesnt' sting.
it just doesnt' taste like something kavik likes.
binaca in the eyes is another story.
i didn't EVER shock kavik. i myself have never
touched a shock collar.
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
> FurtherMOORE, you went to GREAT GREAT
> GREAT lengths to blame your folly and ineptitude
> on the fact that your dog was "insensitive" and you
> went to even greater lengths to blame your folly
> and ineptitude on his "breed."
He is insensitive and he is bred to bark. I don't
BLAME any of this on him, i picked out his breed.
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
> The people who are your "mentors" and "gurus"
> are big fat brainless Alaskan sized heifers who
> will try any amount of pain or force to stop a
> behavior because they aren't smart enough to
> accomplish the task in another way.
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
> They taught you well.
Some of the folks at the club do use pain to
train their dogs, but i avoid them.
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
> > so you aren't human!! do tell Michael!
> I believe the technical term is superhuman.
> have a nice day...
I see. Are you like the bionic man?
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From: BethF (d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: to treat or not to treat
Date: 2002-01-14 12:50:27 PST
> "Jerry Howe" <jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>...
> > And you jerk and choke your dogs on pronged
> > spiked pinch choke collars lock them in boxes
> > and call that training and spray Binaca in their eyes
> > to quite their crate anxiety barking...
I dont' jerk or choke my dog (the little one is
too little yet for a pinch collar). They simply
wear pinch collars.
It prevents any jerking or choking on their part.
I do crate my dogs - the big one only at the dog
club and to travel, and the little one so he can
become accustomed to being in a crate.
He is learning to enjoy it and to use it as a place
to rest from the playing that he and Kavik do
..
I used binaca to quiet Kavik's in class whining
that disturbed the class. It would be quite difficult
to binaca a dog that is in a crate.
I did hit him in the eye accidentally, and stopped
using it at that time. Jerry, have you NEVER made
an error in training the dogs you have trained?
How many dogs have you trained exactly?
Can you list some references here - I
would like to contact some of your former
clients to get a reference or two?
> > > "Andy" <behm_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > > news:40a09641.0201091948.784898cb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > I am just trying to see everyone stands
> > > > on treats or rewards for obedience?
> > > > Andy
> > "BethF" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > news:u3uajqi2ncoc48@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > I treat.
> > > --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop
> > > Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss,
> > > Trek R200, Kickbike
> > > Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy)
> > > Anchorage, Alaska
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
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From: BethF (d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
Date: 2001-09-04 13:09:25 PST
Actually, the most common use of this technique
(and it is quite common) is with TABASCO sauce
either mixed with water in a spray bottle or on a rag
that you can stick in the dogs mouth instead of spraying
(after our experience I would suggest this method if I
was going to use this technique again). My dog likes t
tabasco so that didnt' work for us.
Binaca was suggested as an alternative from a very
well respected dog trainer from the lower 48, however
I don't think she counted on his flailing his head in a
desperate attempt to get away from the sprayer causing
me to miss.
His vet reassured me that the binaca could do no
serious damage, nor did it seem to hurt him badly -
he just wiped his eye for a minute or so until I rinsed
it out (which he seemed more pissed about than the
actual spray).
We went to the vet immediately who called me a
jewish mother and sent us home.
but I think that your *****sment of to handle barking
is based on your non-barking breeds - in some dogs
the drive to bark is REALLY big, and it takes some
big time discouragement to get rid of it.
To be quite frank after trying months and months
of different techniques the binaca was the only
thing that worked.
I wouldn't discredit the concept (although I do
most certainly discredit the binaca sprayer as
a good idea in case of issues like mine)
--
-Beth, Pseudo usenet cop
------------------
AND LIKE THIS:
From: "0513chgo" <0513c...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002
Subject: Re: Jerry Howe
Marshall Dermer wrote in message ...
> In articleSsyE8.20247$t8_.12...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "Marisa" <mari...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
>
>> So I downloaded your Wits End today,
>> and I have started reading, and I am
>> planning on using it from now on and
>> see what results I get.
>
> Marisa you have much hard reading
> ahead of you because Jerry's manual
> is verbose and spends about as many
> lines condeming other approaches as
> describing what to do.
Please leave Marisa be and let her be happy
with training her dog the way she wants to!
From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject: Re: Jerry Howe
He CAN'T.
He's fighting for his career and reputation...he's F'd.
Jerry.
--------------------
Here's professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM NO! into ITS
face for five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation"
dermer of the Department of ANAL-ytic Behavior at UofWI, pryor:
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),
--Marshall
Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
"Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"
Subject changed: JUMPING / MOUTHING On PEOPLE (Ninnyboy)
26 From: Marshall Dermer -
Date: Tues, Aug 14 2001 8:15 pm
Email: der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Marshall Dermer)
In article <2e501ccd.0108141341.7f18d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
mattburns...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Matthew Burnside) writes:
Dear Matt:
Many have offered Jerry constructive advice but
Jerry has failed to profit from it.
My sincere advice is to filter out Jerry's posts.
--Marshall
PS: I have put "Ninnyboy" in the header for many of us filter
posts with this term. The term indicates that the post
is about Jerry.
I have read rpdb for about five years. Consequently, I urge
newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb
regulars from whom I have learned much. They include:
Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane Blackman,
jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy
Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth
Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace,
John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane
Webb, and Terri Willis.
*(EVERY WON of them got VERY LONG POSTED CASE}
HISTORIES of INCURABLE MENTAL ILLNESS an HURTIN
INTIMIDATIN an MURDERIN INNOCENT DEFENSELESS
DUMB CRITTERS an LYIN abHOWET IT.)
"If I am not for myself, who will be for me. But if I am only for
myself, what am I?" _The Talmud_
Marshall Lev Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis
Specialty/ Department of Psychology/University of
Wisconsin--Milwaukee/Milwaukee, WI 53201
der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!
Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS.
From: der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Marshall Dermer) -
Date: 1998/08/28
Subject: Re: Puppy growls and snaps
In article <6s6ea0$8c...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Marshall Dermer) writes: In article <35E60819.65178...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>tami sutherland <suthe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
>> However, there have been incidences where she has
>> growled and snapped at us...for instance, when we
>> were trying to dry her off after bathtime.
> When your three-month old pooch growls or snaps, IMMEDIATELY
> pick her up ONLY by the skin at the back of her neck, for 5
> sec, and loudly say, "NO!" Alternatively, say "NO!" and hold
> her mouth shut for say 15 sec.
>
> If she so snaps that you can't do the above then you
> will have to find another way to administer a prompt
> correction, for example, throwing a can filled with
> pennies, or a tug on the collar. --Marshall
"Oops! I would start by only holding her mouth
shut for say 5 sec.
At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
P.S. Contacting Dr. P:
Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.
In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length.
That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.
Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.
If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavioral Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.
P.P.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!
YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!
Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS.
"I Am Willing To Take Jerry's Theory On
How Dogs Think As A Likely One, Simply
Because The Dog Training Methodology
He Describes (Based On His Suppositions)
Works So Well," Lisa B.
Jerry's Dog Training Manual
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-10 13:34:38 PST
In article HRI27.3908$187.184...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Jenn" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
> Hi Lynn,
> I used to have a barking problem with my
> German Shepherd Dog a couple of years ago.
> I tried several things recommended to me by
> different trainers, and nothing was working.
> When I read that section of Jerry's Manual,
> I thought the same way you did.
> "What???? PRAISE her for barking?" It sounded
> counterproductive, but I had tried everything else
> I'd heard so I thought I'd try it too.
> Next time she went nuts at a person walking by
> outside, I told her, "Good job! Good girl! You are
> such a good protector!" And instead of continuing
> the barking, she came to me for a belly rub! She
> will still bark (she's a guard dog, that's her job),
> but after one bark, she knows she's done her job
> to warn me by my praise, and she stops.
> Jenn,
Could you be so kind as to post here the
section from Jerry's manual where he
writes that you should JUST praise the
dog when it barks?????????
As I recall, I thought he first advocates
distracting the dog from barking, with
keys or the soft sound of pennies in a
can, before praising.
Perhaps you can tutor me regarding
Jerry's system.
Thanks in advance!
--Marshall Dermer
PS: I don't read Jerry's posts but I look
forward to your post.
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Clicker training "stay"
Date: 2001-06-21 20:25:38 PST
In article iqtY6.5456$rA2.1119...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Jenn" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
> Hi, DogStar716, sorry you feel this way about
> me. I hope I can change your mind in the future,
> as I love reading your posts, and value (and
> have used) some of your advice.
BWWWWWEEEJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!!
> As for my post to Jer, I am just attempting
> to get a plain answer about something instead
> of a trash- fest. I just want to know if it can be
> done.
> Jenn Standring
I'm not Jerry but sure you could use a clicker to
distract a dog but that is not the purpose of a clicker.
You can also use a teaspoon to cut steak but that
is not the purpose of teaspoon!
--Marshall
Hi Marshall,
I'll do my best to answer you... please bear with me, ok? :-)
Marshall Dermer wrote:
> In article <3B4B013F.914E0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> 2tails <wagginta...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
> <snip Dave's response>
> > Not to mention, the manual has a lot regarding how dogs
> > think, which can't be explained just by a short description
> > of "what to do." The psychology behind the method is
> > needed so that the person reading it will be able to figure
> > out their dogs' problems by themselves.
> > Problems, as in "why is my dog doing 'X,'" and figuring
> > out ways to address it, if necessary.
> >regards,
> >Lisa
> Dear Lisa,
> How would you know if Jerry's analysis
> of "how dog's think"
> is correct?
> That is, if thinking is some invisible process inside of a
> dog's head how would we know if Jerry or anyone is correct?
Of course, it isn't necessary at all to know how dogs think,
or even if they *do* think. I believe that they do, but of
course I can't prove it, and neither can Jerry.
The heart of the matter is, the discussion in the manual
regarding "how dogs think" is part of a wholistic approach to
dog training.
It helps to comprehend the reasoning behind the
methodology. The methodology works quickly
and easily, therefore lending credence (as far as
I'm concerned) to his theory of how dogs think.
It's the same sort of thing regarding theories of whether the
earth revolves around the sun, or contrariwise. Is it possible
to send a rocket to the moon, based on the assumption
that the sun revolves around the earth?
The answer is, of course, yes, though it would most likely
be enormously complicated. The better solution is to begin
with the theory that the earth revolves around the sun.
In other words, the simplest answer or description is the
best, even though it may not be empirically provable.
And so, I am willing to take Jerry's theory on how dogs
think as a likely one, simply because the dog training
methodology he describes (based on his suppositions)
works so well.
I hope this helps you to understand from which perspective
I say the things that I do about Jerry's method and manual.
regards,
Lisa
-----------------
"If I Knew It Would Be That Easy, I Would Have
Done This A Long Time Ago Saving Myself 5 Years
Of Dealing With A Bouncy, Over Excited Dog!" Jenn.
Hello Jenn,
"brijen" <bri...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:397cfaa3_1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Hello Jerry,
> I just wanted to let you know that I am
> trying this right now.
Good.
> I am the woman who wrote to you a while
> ago about trying to walk my dog without the
> pinch collar.
I recall.
> She also goes APE when I grab the leash.
> We have been doing this technique you
> recommend for about a half an hour now
> and the results are already fantastic, as
> well as amusing!
Yeah, dog training should always be more
fun than work.
> At first, we went out and I stood there,
> and Anya kept trying to head out to the
> sidewalk. When I didn't follow, she came
> and sat beside me at heel! (Thanks to
> your help!) She'd NEVER done that before.
It's the same principle as in the Hot And
Cold Exercise.
> I rewarded that with a few steps of a walk,
> but we came in after about 30 seconds. She
> stopped and looked at me as if she were
> thinking, "What? But we just got out here!"
> The second and third times, she was even
> MORE eager when she saw the leash, and
> I got the same look when I turned around
> to go back in. The fourth time, she just
> bounced a bit as she walked to the door
> with me, and sat nicely to wait until I hooked
> up the leash, and this last time, I HAD
> TO CALL HER TO ME!!!!!!!!!!
Fine. That's because dogs learn on the basis of
four repetitions. That's not to say they can't learn
some things faster, but for breaking habits, it
usually happens the fourth time we repeat a lesson.
Then we need to repeat the lesson at three more
locations our time in each to generalize the idea.
Let's say your dog gets excited when you take her
lead and go to the front door. She would probably
do the same at the back door, but to not such a degree.
Likewise for any other door.
It would behoove you to repeat the exercise with
several other doors and it would be easiest to
start with a door that had less excitement involved
with it.
> If I knew it would be that easy, I would have
> done this a long time ago saving myself 5
> years of dealing with a bouncy, over excited dog!
The non force methods work fast and easy
because we are not challenging the dog or
calling our attention to their behavior problems.
> I have to tell you how the walk is going though.
> I have a lot of problems there, but it is all ME.
> I have been so conditioned to "correct" her,
> that I still find myself yanking on her collar.
Yes, those habits are hard to break. It's easier for
me to train a person who has no experience at all
because they have no bad habits of pulling and
forcing control.
> I feel so awful! We have only been working
> in the yard without distractions, because I
> honestly don't know what will happen if she
> sees another dog and I won't have the pinch
> collar to keep her from dragging me over for
> a fight.
You know that working the dog in the back
yard is not preferable, because that causes
them some anxiety because it's their free area.
But with your dog and with the difficulty he is
to handle, I don't see any reason you shouldn't
do the Family Leader****p Exercise and the come
command several times out there, and then you'll
have the control to do it in a more neutral area.
> The upside is, when I take the leash off it's
> hook and don't take the pinch collar, her
> excitement to go for a walk is NO LONGER
> combined with the intense fear I used to see
> in her eyes at the sight of the pinch!
Our group likes to think that is EXCITEMENT and
eagerness to work. It is sheer terror. The pinch
collar works by overriding the opposition reflex
through fear and that cause tremendous stress
and anxiety that must be released through anxiety
relief mechanisms like barking, digging, whining,
chewing, self mutilation and aggression.
> That does it for me. I can't believe I instilled
> fear in my beautiful dog just for the sake that
> I didn't know how to train. Well, I still don't
> know how, but I'm learning!
That's where I was three dozen years ago. I was
ready to just quit. I wasn't going to sour any more
dogs to make them work.
> Thanks for your help. Please send more
> suggestions if you saw something I could
> be doing differently!
> Jenn & Anya
I was thinking about your difficulties with
your dog. Just getting the Hot And Cold
Exercise and the Family Leader****p Exercise
and the come command installed will solve
most of your difficulty with him.
I presume you've got msn messenger. We
can speak over that if you are set up for it,
and I can demonstrate the timing and tone
and tempo for using sound distractions
and praise, or we could speak on the phone.
The most im****tant thing to remember is to
pick up and handle the lead in a relaxed manner,
no white knuckles, keep your elbow relaxed and
your arm down at your side with the length of the
lead breaking just below the knee.
Let me know if you need further help.
Jerry.
>> > "James Roberts" <m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> > news:3C637444.20DD6735@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > I have downloaded and have read Jerry's Wit's End
>> > > do***ent.
>
>> > > Ignoring what you think of his participation, what
>> > > is your *****sment of the merits of his techniques?
>> Paul B <pand...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:3c638e36@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Hello James,
>> > I have used his recommended techniques and
>> > ideas with great success, and over the period
>> > I've used these methods the more I've become
>> > to understand and appreciate how his methods
>> > work and how effective they can be if carried out
>> > correctly.
>
>> > His manual isn't conventional and as such gets
>> > critisized and misunderstood. The basic concept
>> > is to allow the dog to choose whatever behaviour
>> > it wants for any situation but to distract (and
>> > immediately praise ) it from behaviours we deem
>> > undesirable, because of the correctly timed
>> > distractions repeated usually about 4 times (in
>> > each location) the dog decides of it own accord
>> > that this behaviour is undesriable and therefore
>> > pursues something else, if that behaviour is also
>> > inappropriate to us then we carry on distracting,
>> > very soon the dog finds a behaviour that is mutually
>> > acceptable. The benefits of this type of approach
>> > are numerous, firstly we aren't challenging the dog
>> > so there is no conflict so the dog does't develop any
>> > possible negativity to us, the dog decides of it own
>> > free will that a behaviour is unsatisfying so chooses
>> > to cease it (in other words even if we are gone the
>> > dog won't have any desire to pursue that behaviour
>> > i.e. bin raiding etc).
>
>> > I would recommend his manual.
>> > Paul
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
>Paul B wrote:
>> While the concept of shake cans is not new,
>> I haven't read any other advice that says to
>> praise immediately regardless of what the dog
>> does next (the common advice is to praise once
>> the dog is doing a desired behaviour or at least
>> stopped the unwanted behaviour), this is unique
>> to Jerry (and Marilyn) and from my own
>> experiences is an im****tant part of the process.
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
--Marshall
=================
"Marshall Dermer" <der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message news:9ihtee$7ib$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Paul B (NOSPAMpand...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST
Hello Marshall,
The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.
The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.
A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.
One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.
While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an im****tant
part of the process.
> Thanks Paul! He does recommend praising
> a dog for barking, but he appears to recognize
> that this may not work and so distraction
> is recommended as a back up procedure:
"Estel J. Hines" <ejhi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:w86dna9lBfNZgbTdRVn-hA@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Until i read the Jerry method of Bark
>> reduction, it went something like this
>> with our 11 month old puppy "Yo****"
>> Yo****: Bark, bark,
>> us: HUSH You****
>> Yo**** Bark, bark......................
>> us: Hush You****
>> Yo**** BARK, BARK, BARK, ................................. >
>> it stopped when Yo**** got tired barking
>> We decided to try the Jerry method:
>> Yo****: BARK, BARK
>> US: GOOD Yo****, Good Boy, who is it?
>> Yo**** Bark, Bark
>> US: It's ok, good boy Yo****, We know them.
>> Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that.
>> I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
>> can praise him, to deal with things like this.
>> Thanks Jerry
>> ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
>> Papers, and learn how to live with our son
>> "Yo****", whom we love very much. --
>> Best Regards,
>> Estel J. Hines
==============
> There really is NOTHING new about
> the advice above!
Nuthin EXXXCEPT HOWE IT'S DONE, professor <{}'; ~ ) >
Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Sup****t Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and sup****t your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establi****ng a nonprofit
charity to fund your im****tant work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
> Thanks
You're welcome <{}: ~ ) >
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.
\
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
>> I do know that hitting, hurting your dog
>> will often make the dog either aggressive
>> or a fear biter, neither of which we want
>> to do.
>
> And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
> No matter what Jerry Howe states.
>
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> doubt, please provide a quote (an
> original quote, not from one of Jerry
> Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> shows a regular poster promoting or
> using an abusive form of training.
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> What's the point, but: Refer me to those posts of
> which you have read so many. While you're going
> through them, point out those which recommend
> shocking, and pinching, and beating. Thank you.
> --
> -Matt. Rocky's a Dog
> Rocky wrote:
> "Deltones" <vibrov...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > After your defense of "Limited" choking, what
> > would be the point? Where I come from, choking
> > is choking. It's never limited.
>
> So, you can't point out abuse where none occurs.
> Thank you for your contribution.
>-
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky <2dogsREM...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 24 Jul 2004 04:00:53 GMT
Local: Fri, Jul 23 2004 11:00 pm
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Cam said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> Everything he preaches is very positive, no
> correction, no punishment, all praise and love.
You are very wrong.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky <2d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 23 Nov 2003 02:40:42 GMT
Subject: Re: house training
steve braun said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> I dont like the insinuations that i am abusing
> my dog when i am NOT.
Then you may want to ignore the Puppy Wizard/Jerry Howe.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky <3da...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 16 Aug 2002 18:40:54 GMT
Subject: Re: training a dog...
nancyj wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> The pressure meant a GOOD possibility if she could
> just push up hard enough, I'd understand. I did
> eventually <G>. I switched to a light tap!
Yup, once a dog learns to sit, a light tap
works as a reminder when they "forget".
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
But "NEVER HIT your dog", eh, matty?
From: "Nevyn" <greatd...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:05:45 +0800
Subject: Re: puppy wizzards training manual.
G'DAY STEVE.
I used to be like you.
Then I found a book...it was called... the
wits end dog training manual.... and then
there was light..and perfectly trained dogs.
--
Thankyou,
Nevyn
Nevyn E.D.
Veterinary Nurse & Animal Trainer
greatd...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Yu agonna get whats comin' to you...for
all the bad bad things you to do your...dog"
________________________
"steve braun" <twopointerp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> twopointerp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(steve braun) wrote in message
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>...
> > Hello, Mr. puppy wizzard, how do i find a copy of
> > your manual. Do you have a link that takes me to it?
>
> > I think i would like to read it.
>
> > Now i have another question for you in regards to
> > walking your dog. How do you feel about the gentle
> > leader? I bought one for each of my pups and the
> > difference in walking them is unbelievable. If you are
> > not sure what the gentle leader is check out their web
> > site at www.premier.com. If you are as good as you say
> > you are i want to read your manual.
> > thanks,
> > Steve
> > P.s. by the way my pup doesnt pee as soon as i put
> > him in his crate its after he's been in for a while
> > and cant hold it anymore that he pee's
> Howdy, jerry,
> well i started reading your manual, Im going to
> perfectly honest with you I thought last night when
> i started reading your posts you were full of crap
> but the more i read the more i could tell that you
> really do care about dogs. That is why asked for
> a copy of your manual.
>
> I really like your analogy on barking that was very
> interesting and gave it a perspective i never even thought
> of. As far as your praising the dogs when they are
> misbehaving i still dont understand how that works (i
> didnt get all that far in the manual yet.
>
> But i must say my female was clawing at the couch so i
> praised her like you say to do, i praised her twice for
> it and she stopped and came over to me.
>
> So i think what you have to say has merit, And for one
> am anxious to finish the book and get started because
> i love my dogs and really am looking forward to interacting
> with them on a positive note all of the time.
>
> This may be a little premature jerry, but
> Thank you
> Steve
"I crate Rocky, even though he's 8.5 years old, but
only when I'm gone during summertime days - maybe
an hour at the most.
(Other than hot days, my dogs are always with me.)
While Friday has been totally reliable unsupervised
from the day I got him from a rescue, Rocky has not.
Rocky will go looking for food even in areas where
there's no possibility of food.
The good thing is that he likes his crate, runs for
it when I ask, and gets food when he's in it.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Subject: "Read any good books, lately?"
From: Rocky
Date: Tues, Apr 4 2000 12:00 am
Interesting. In the past, Rocky has enjoyed the
classics, most notably a 150 year old leather-bound
edition of the "Count of Monte Cristo".
It was slow going at first, but once he
got into it he couldn't put it down.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!
Re: Crate training questions...
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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Nuttall <robi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> One day you may do better than your poor three week
>> benchbark. Keep at it, keep learning, and keep an open
>> mind.
> It really does depend on the dog. I've housebroken dogs in
> 1-2 weeks; Zipper took 4 months of hard slog. A lot of it
> is being organized and hyper aware of the dog at all times.
I agree. I thought that the post I was responding to was
somewhat condescending, so I did the same. I should have
stopped my reply after the first paragraph.
Still, I think that Antares should keep an open mind
towards crates. Heck, we still haven't gotten into all
their other wonderful uses.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
LIKE THIS:
Re: New to us Pup, Tomorrow!
"cshenk" <cshe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> "montana wildhack" wrote
>> You may want to move the crate into your bedroom.
>> Being "near" and "next to" are very different things.
> Actually I would if I could, but there isnt room.
Make room, even if the dresser or a side table has to go
away for a while. This is an im****tant bonding time.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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Re: Crate training questions...
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Janet B <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>>Given the total freedom of the house and total access to
>>me, my dogs slept all day, sometimes in their crates. Oh
>>yeah, crating them during the day is so cruel! Why, it
>>forces them to, um, do what they were doing anyway?
> And they got up and stretched, looked out the window,
> etc, and then went back to sleeping, right?
Uncrated, my crated dog may have done all those things.
Balance missing those activities vs. the resulting lack of
distruction (and potential danger) and all of the activities
we did outside of Monday to Friday 8 to 5.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Re: Question from Newbie re toilet training
From: Rocky (mbon...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Leg Humper
Date: 1999/09/14
Bioso...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Jerry Howe) wrote in
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>:
> By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume that
> you are suggesting that the people knee the dog in
> the chest. If that's what you meant, just say it,
> instead of beating around the bush to avoid criticism
> from people like me. That kind of crap has got to
> stop, and that's why I'm here, to help wean you guys
> off of the abuse and into the proper methods of
> dealing with behavior problems.
Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation
up until this last paragraph.
Why did you blow it?
--Matt
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 16 Sep 2003 03:47:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Dominant Agressive Puppy????
Nessa said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> the only thing I remember learning from a spanking
> was to run faster than my dad and NOT GET
> CAUGHT. so what does that say?
I learned to put a comic book down the back of my
pants. And sometimes my parents pretended not to
notice. In retrospect, that's pretty cool.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
message
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> Melinda Shore wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > But he's the one producing the training
> > MATTerial.
>
> Ack. You just gave him some moore ammunition.
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Oh? You mean LIKE THIS, matty?:
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 15 May 2005 16:03:05 GMT
Subject: Re: What does "bupkis" really mean
shelly said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> you've just described elliott. i don't think Lucy would
> have had a clue what to do with him, though. while he's
> easy and forgiving in terms of handling, i think his prey
> drive and dog aggression would've had her in tears.
Hmm. You've got a point. Rocky is dog-dominant, a
surprise to almost everyone - some of whom know him
very well. I wonder how well Lucy reads dog? If she
can't, she'd get some ugly surprises.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!!
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 24 Mar 2005 17:16:47
Subject: Re: help with identifing a dog breed
A mature dog comfortable in its surroundings often
won't need to physically assert its dominance.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 22 Dec 2004 16:58:38 GMT
A Useful Dog
... Rocky, OTOH, I crate when a new dog is introduced -
while he's quick to back off in times of trouble, he's
fairly dominant. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"I wouldn't do anything because Friday would correct
him more appropriately than I ever could. I'd separate
them or watch them closely. If I can catch them at it
before the behaviour itself becomes rewarding, I use
my marker word. If I can catch them even earlier (when
the intent to commit misbehaviour is forming in their
evil minds), distraction works.
The latter works better than the former when it comes
to their protecting me from the mailman. Management,
redirection, distraction, aversives, Paula's socks,
combinations thereof - it's all good," matt, Rocky's my
epileptic dog.
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAHAAAA!!!
"dallygirl" <kwickw...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> choke chains are outdated and barbaric in many
>cases causing more harm than good.
Back at you with flat buckle collars. These are an
incredibly abused training tool, what with the number
of handlers I see pulling back and jerking on the leash
with both hands.
It's a good thing that most of us are here because of
dogs' well-being and not an agenda.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds
To Pain And Punishment, High Tolerance For
Correction, Escalation Of Correction To A Level
Where The Dog Yelps When You Punish Him,
Thus Making The Experience One Which The Dog
Will Want To Avoid In The Future," grant teeboon,
RAAF.
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack
Wouldn't Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't
Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear
He Might Eat My Cat,"Melanie Lee Chang *
mch...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Canine Behavioral Genetics
Project University of California, San
Francisco http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/
captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK"
Makes A ResoundingSound Distraction: "When
You Chuck The Dog The Sound Will Travel Up
The Mandible To The Ears And Give A Popping
Sound To The Dog."
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.
- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.
"After Numerous Training Cl*****, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
Subject: Re: shock collars
Sally Hennessey <greyho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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from being incredibly offensive and self-
righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge
in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps
a lack of ability to perceive same.
The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to
whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were
unim****tant does not mean that such dogs do not exist.
What it means is that you don't know as much about
dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know
a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.
I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with
one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or
anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant
nothing to her.
I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories. The fact that
you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as
what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to
suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by
"you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's
English you guys talk about over there) means that
you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person
who is not worth further notice.
Sally Hennessey
"Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.
I'm starting to see some similarities here.
Sally Hennessey
Now these two are spouting off about what kind of e-collars
they like to use on their dogs. Well, I've got an AC Delco
model that would be just right for Janet or Kate. BZZZZzzt!
I'd have to find it though, and I can't remember if I left
it in my underground bunker or the crawlspace under my
house," Charlie.
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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Boss <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> I think a lot of dogs, particularly terrier breeds, don't
> belong in large group play environments. Actually, the
> more I think about dog parks and open day cares (not
> home situations and well organized care such as Matt
> provides),
I seem to get a lot of terriers here. Me and mine are great
with them - I set limits, Friday is the bad cop, Rocky is the
good cop.
> the less I like them and think they are recipes for
> disaster.
I've lost a couple of clients because my rules and
people skills are direct. I can envision disaster
and I'd rather not deal with it.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Re: "****-Head" strikes again
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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"MauiJNP"
<jmh1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> I actually broke Kanyak, our GSD-Dobe mix, of
>> that habit. The second time he did it (it was the
>> buried guts of a slaughtered sheep) I grabbed him
>> by the collar and tossed him into the shower stall
>> yelling "banyo!" (the Turkish word for "bath!")
>> repeatedly as I washed him. Kanyak HATED baths.
>> Not too long afterwards he came across another
>> op****tunity to roll in something vile and when I saw
>> him move towards it I shouted "banyo!" and that
>> stopped him cold. There were a few more chances to
>> reinforce the "conditioning" but never again did he
>> take a roll in the muck.
>
> that sounds like a great idea.
It works with the right conditioning, timing, and appropriate
correction. The right timing requires that you spend time
waiting for the action to occur naturally and then apply the
appropriate correction if your dog has already received
proper conditioning.
In OTW, do that kind of stuff only if you're extremely
confortable with your dog and he's extremely comfortable
with you.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
author: "CourteHOWES Canine."
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?
When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first
time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth
and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with
this but just ignore him and continue your normal
behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"CourteHOWES Canines"
Borrowed from: "Puppy Raising Tips" from
professional trainers, John and Amy Dahl.
"Around four months many puppies can withstand a
correction. Unfortunately this is the time they start
teething and if their mouth hurts, they may act
generally sensitive. If this is the case, be patient and
wait for all those baby teeth to fall out.
In training, retrievers often respond to physical correction
better than verbal correction. While "NO!" is extremely
useful if puppy is about to bite an electrical cord or steal
food off the table, when you are teaching them something
(like obedience) a sharp jerk on their lead or swat with a
stick gets the message across with less emotion and less
effect on their confidence.
If they drop the dummy and act like their mouth hurts
when they are teething, stop all retrieving and wait for
their mouth to feel better. A correction should be just
severe enough to get the dog to respond.
Repeated weak corrections are very stressful to the dog."
================
"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog
I Do Not Believe There Is A Single Cir***stance
Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything But
Destructive," "I don't see why anyone would want
to choke or beat a dog, or how any trainer could
possibly get a good working dog by making them
unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying
frosty dahl.
lying frosty dahl sez she doesn't twist:
"None of my posts, prior to or subsequent to
Jerry Howe's attacks, encourage anyone to
twist ears, beat dogs, confront, intimidate,
frighten, or any of the crap he constantly
attributes to me," lying frosty dahl.
lying frosty dahl, oakhill kennels wrote:
Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield
the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable
dogs may require you to progress to striking them
more sharply
Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and
the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist!
Eventually, the dog will give in
but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
instead of your thumb even get a studded collar
and pinch the ear against that
Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so
urgent that resisting your will fades in im****tance.
CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready
Right Hand, As it catches on, try using the stick
and no ear pinch.
When the dog is digging out to beat the stick
and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch,
you are finished
If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin,
say "No! Hold!"
(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because
the ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided
it isn't worth it)" lying frosty dahl.
"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."
"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.
HOWEDY matty, you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal abusin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life long incurable mental case
and professional illegal doggy day care FRAUD
an SCAM ARTIST,
You an your MENTALLY ILL pals are the single
greatest threat to dogs and society in general <{}: ~ ( >
Perhaps you should take your idiocy to alt.religion.kibology
where your LIES ABUSE and INSANITY won't be SEEN
by dog lovers here on The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy,
Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES,
And Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End
Training Method Manual Forums And Human And Animal
Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory <{}: ~ ( >
HOWE COME do you set your INFORMATIVE
posts to EXXXPIRE in 6 days, matty? Are you
EMBARRASSED by your own words, you lyin
animal abusin punk thug coward mental case
fraud an SCAM ARTIST?
matty aka Rocky EXXXPLAINS HOWE COME:
"Rocky" <2d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no
archive, and it's a shame. Once in a while, while
looking for something else, I'll run into an old post
of mine.
What an idiotic response!
Whoops.
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!
SEE??
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