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From: "pfoley" <pfol...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:54:14 -0400
Subject: Re: won a battle, losing the war
"Interlocutor" <NotTh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> I don't begrudge your killing a fox to defend your poultry,
>> and I'm glad your dog is OK, but ...
>> Over the years I've grown tremendously fond of the furry
>> critters outside as well as inside) my home.
>> If you're armed-to-the-teeth most of the day and night, and
>> particularly considering the dead-duck etc count, I'd say
>> *something* is wrong.
> You have a fence, but there are "holes" in your security system?
> What would it take to secure -all- your critters, so your shotgun
> could maybe collect a little dust? So the foxes, etc would learn to
> look elsewhere for food?
My sentiments entirely. I like ducks, geese and chickens
and would not want any one of them to be injured or killed,
but I also like foxes and other wild life, and feel that after
the first poultry killings, Diddy should have found a better
solution to protecting them, other than running around with
a shotgun.
Had she found a better solution in fencing then maybe, all her
poultry and the fox would still be alive today and Tuck wouldn't
have caught his foot in a trap with the risk of possibly amputating
it while trying to find the chickens.
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diddler, the ****-stain, scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
"Cappy the beagle killed one of my ducklings today.
Tuck grabbed a leg, and swallowed a leg and thigh
before I could get him.
a month ago, he almost died from swallowing a
chicken wing. Now I'm sweating all over again.
I think he's never going to be allowed out ever
again without a muzzle! (he seems alright thus far.
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
Subject: Re: Tuck's SAR experience
"diddy" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I just came in from putting chickens to bed, and Tuck
had my computer keyboard on the floor, and there are
now two keys missing.
Ornery git
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
> "diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Taya had eaten over 5 POUNDS of summer sausage!
>> I just had to laugh, because otherwise, I'd have cried.
>
> is taya an elkie? no point in crying over ingested summer sausage
> is what my mom used to say. did she get the runs?
Taya IS a 1/2 a cup a day for food elkie. When i told mom and dad
that she ate 5 POUNDS, we all marveled, my goodness! Where did she
put it all!
She went to the emergency vet clinic last night in a snowstorm
along 60 miles of ice slick roads, & blowing snow. The price
wasn't bad $120 but she had pancreatitis.
Crap, I should have induced vomiting when I realized it had happened.
Going from a regular diet of ounces in a day to 5 pounds
was bound to cause problems!
She seemed fine at the time, and I didn't think about it.
It could have been worse. There was NO fat in those summer sausages,
because they were homemade. No greasy texture, and much better than
any you buy. Because there was no fat, I had figured pancreatits
wasn't going to be a factor.
Wrong again.
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
Re: Just scheduled blood test--Zipper too
"diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> whittled the following words:
> Seems to me, that should be a standard question for
> any pet having any problems at this time.
I took Tuck in last Wednesday to the vets because two weeks
before, he had chewed some old treated lumber. Knowing that
treated lumber used to be treated with Arsenic, and he ate a
substantial amount, I took him into the emergency clinic and
they treated him for arsenic poisoning.
A week later, he still had a raw stomach, esophagus and stomach
(revealed by endoscopy). He was treated with buffers, and antibiotics
to prevent infection of the inflamed tissues. Wednesday, still not
right, but improving, I took him back in for a recheck.
The first thing the vet did, was ask what foods I was feeding.
Which I understood why, but felt considering his current history,
was rather a unnecessary question. I felt we pretty much knew
what was going on with him.
Since he was greatly improved, we decided not to do another
endoscopy and just watch him. He's 100% back to normal.
Hope Cali is too.
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
diddy (d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Oh My God
Date: 2002-01-16 13:39:59 PST
Two nights ago, Reka started acting frantic about 11pm.
I let her out. It's coyote breeding season, and she is
fascinated by them. I assumed she wanted to go out and
listen to them howling. I brought her in, and she spent
the night franticly and desperately demanding to go out.
After about 4am, I finally put her in the barn, locked
securely in a horse stall for the night.
She came in by morning, and had a normal active, playful
day. Last night, at 11pm, She franticly DEMANDED to go
out. I let her out, and brought her in. At midnight, she
DEMANDED to be let out. I let her out, but I went out
to the barn and got a crate, and decided she could
spend the rest of the night in the crate. We were NOT
going to do a repeat of the previous night AGAIN.
At 3am, she whined so loudly, I then decided not to
allow her to set a precedence of this type of behavior.
So I took her crate out to the heated gun shop and
decided to let her act out her bad behavior in peace,
and send a message that her obnoxious behavior
was not going to be tolerated.
This morning at 6am, I went out, and she had vomited
(normal looking dog food) and defecated in her crate
(not normal for Reka, but then, She normally didn't
sleep in a crate, NEVER gets corrected (she never does
anything to GET corrected for) and was probably nerves
from the outside experience, plus reprimand and solitary
confinement.
I let her in the house while I cleaned the cage. Hoping
I had made my point. She acted healthy and normal, and
playful and chipper. But then I noticed a spot of blood on
the bathroom linoleum and in the bathtub. I was the last to
take a bath, so I knew REKA was the last in the tub.
That blood didnt come from me, so it HAD to come from
Reka. Thinking about her nearing the end of her heat cycle,
I still didnt think a lot about it. I thought her obnoxious
behavior the past couple nights WAS her heat cycle..
and corresponding coyote breeding season.
Then while feeding her breakfast, I saw the whole story.
She had blood (fresh) streaming from her RECTUM. UhOh.
I had her at the vets office this morning before he
opened. He just said her intestines were all bunched
up with huge air pockets.
Was there any chance that she ate strings of carpets? I
said, last Thursday we took a plastic tarp out of the yard
that we had over the grill to protect it from the weather
because she was chewing it. That would explain
EVERYTHING.
The strings are binding and bunching up her intestines,
cutting her internally and tying her intestines in knots as
it works its way through.
Reka is in a very critical situation. She is going to
require extensive and expensive surgery that I cant
afford. I will manage.
Even with the surgery, her condition will be critical
for awhile. Scary thoughts. I would never have
treated her the way I did last night, if I had even a
clue that she was sick. I feel so badly.
--
diddy
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
> and/or have a lot of training experience.
Your newfHOWEND pal diddler is a EXXXPERT
PROFESSIONAL trainer and owner of several highly
acclaimed TRACKIN dogs <{}: ~ ) >
"diddy" <none> wrote in message
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dog trainer must succeed. By nature, "Command" mentality
makes dog trainers a curmudgeonly lot. The deeper a dog
behavior digs in, the more willing a good trainer is to do
what it takes to uproot the undesired behavior.
This willingness to tackle what results in a battle of wills
is well pronounced in dog trainers. And if you think that's
something, try horse trainer lists, where the ante is upped X
1000 pounds and poor results can KILL you!
However, "nice little horsey " types are rarely successful
in horse training and rather self extingui****ng bringing
about more moderation in established techniques.
BWEEEAAAAHAHAAA~!
diddler, the ****-stain, scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated cir***stances.
A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.
I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"
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Here's your newfHOWEND pal diddler teachin her retarded
kids' imbecile skool klass to pupperly handle innocent
defenseless kats:
From: diddy
(di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: What would you do in this situation?
Date: 2002-05-31 14:49:22 PST
Actually, I borrowed the vets office kitten once for a
couple days for school education on pet care and safe
handling as well as responsible pet owner****p.
I kept the kitten over night in a crate within a crate
and yet my dog (yes, Angelic Danny, as well as Taya
and Toby tore that kittne to threads from between the
crate bars. (apparently he stuck his paws through the
crate to bat at the dogs. I was out doing yard work
and rushed in to find the little kittens pieces and
parts being torn through by ALL the dogs.
I called my girl friend to come get my dogs. I screamed
displeasure, and stalked out with the kitten. Danny, et
al spent 3 days in a kennel until I finally felt like I
could interact with them without doing bodily harm. All
three dogs were never touched, but knew they had done
something so unspeakable that I wouldn't associate with
them and they got banished.
To this day, Taya (mom and Dad's dog) and Danny will
not look at a cat. When confronted with one, Danny wees
himself and cowers hiding behind me for help.
I'm not saying this would work this way with all dogs,
But mom and dad now have a house cat, and she has
never been harmed by any of the dogs. Danny is there
all the time, unsupervised, and has no interest in harming
the cat.
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
Here's diddler teachin her dogs her "LEAVE IT" command:
"diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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dogs aren't into beer that much. But they sure love Horse poop!
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From: diddy <none>
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:00:29 -0600
Local: Sun, Nov 11 2007 1:00 pm
Subject: And then there were......
I was prepared a few hours ago to post there were now
only two dogs. But after a trip to the Dayton Emergency
clinic, we are now only $200 poorer and brought home a
very torb'ed up beagle.
We estimate the beagle to be about 14.
This morning she had severe abdominal distress. Pacing,
whining, and crippling spasm, accompanied with the most
pitiful moans and groans you ever heard.
My husband said, if it's serious (LOOK HERE.. ANY PAIN OF
THAT MAGNITUDE IS SERIOUS!) we weren't going to fix it,
we would simply put her down. But she got out yesterday, and
indulged in a buffet of horse meadow muffins.
She may be impacted, and it might pass.
I told him she's in pain, and transient or not, we
have to do something about the pain while we
wait to see if the issue resolves or not.
So the vet said, if you aren't fixing it. Let's juice her
up on Torbugesic, healthy doses of antibiotics, with reglan
to move things along. We just treated everything. So if
there is improvement, we will assume fixable. If not.. I
will write that "And then there were two" post.
to be continued.....
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
> Toby, a stray mentioned below
Here's your newfHOWEND EXXXPERT PROFESSIONAL
OBEDIENCE TRAINER / subsistence HUNTER / FARMER
pal diddler RESCUEIN a couple STRAY dogs in need:
diddler wrote:
"I released a dog from the pound. She was dumped for biting.
Knowing that most of the time, a dog that bites is the child's
fault, I brought her home to see if she was salvageable in a
childless home.
She at least deserved an evaluation. She seemed fine,
then the following day, with no provocation, she lunged
for my throat. This was an unprovoked attack, and I knew
there was probably something physically wrong with the
dog (perhaps a brain tumor?) and regardless, she was a
HUGE liability risk, and I could never place her.
So I took her to the vet for euthanasia.
The vet kept sticking her for 15 minutes, and it was the
ugliest screaming death I ever witnessed.... until I had
my old 18 year old companion diagnosed with systemic
organ failure. Her old body wore out. I took her to the vet.
Apparently poor circulation caused her not to use the
euthanasia shot properly. The vet kept giving her one
shot after another, and she dies a slow agonizing death,
screaming, and looking at me in betrayal and dismay.
I wanted to grab her from the vet, and take her home,
and shoot her. It would have been over faster," DIDDLER,
lyin animal murderin COWARD and MENTAL CASE.
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IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
HOWEDY diddler,
"diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Marshall
> Dermer) whittled the following words:
> > Sad. Why do we love them so?
> Because you will never again in your life
> experience so much honor, nobility, honesty,
> loyalty, and altruistic caring.and true love.
diddy wrote:
I certainly was NOT going to keep him, Nor was
I going to throw him away. I was going to go the
distance and get him back home (we fixed some
other problems while he was here) He's now a
happy and great dog, although I wasn't so fond
of him when he first came, and although we grew
close, the whole experience was not among my
fondest memories, until the end.
I needed to redirect his energies. He used escape for
entertainment. Once I gave him very many jobs to do,
and taught him LOTS of positive job skills to redirect
his energies. Once he found positive alternatives, he
finally forgot his negative behaviors which were severely
entrenched by the time I got him.
The first 6 months were awful for both of us.
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All the "awful"-ness was caused by diddy. Just as all
the awfulness of the blood coming out of Reka's rectum
was caused by diddy and her INSANE need to prevent
her dog with "getting away" with anything (such as telling
diddy she was deathly ill).
Only she led you to believe that she was the hero.
Kind2dogs wrote:
> That's fine. I like to hear all different opinions.
> Now about that rescues dog doing such, how
> long was he alone for,to do such destruction?
diddy wrote:
I think 4 hours or so, I had put him in a supposedly
"Secure" place, while I had to leave. When I got
home, he had trashed my house. From then on,
when I left, he got put in the horse stall.
He trashed my horse stall.
He then got a new horse stall, wore a E-collar,
I electrified the perimeter of the stall and we
were finally able to contain him while we worked
on his escape problems.
Once he learned that I was more determined to
defeat him, he finally subdued. But escaping, to
him was a game.
Both of us had a throughly miserable time during
the stand off. The dog is actually now a very good
citizen. He just had to meet someone more determined,
and stubborn and willing to go the distance to do what it
took, before he would stop.
Like I said, I thought he and I were going
to grow old together.
I am not going to go into exactly where we
went before we got that accomplished.
Let's just say it was "ugly"
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Subject: Re: untrainable beagle! NEED HELP
"diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"graham
fandango!"
> <gmey...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled the following words: i have
> a ten year old beagle who i got from the animal shelter 5 years
> ago. its pretty clear he was abused in some form before he ended
> up in the shelter; when ever i reach for something, like the tv
> remote, too quickly he flinches. he gets scared when i sweep the
> kitchen floor and hides under the bed.
I have one too. I don't know her past history, or her age.
I use an antibark collar on her for my sanity. She's very
quiet, until I take it off. It doesn't train her not to bark,
because she barks when the collar is off. (beagles "Do
that")
There may not even be batteries in it, but she doesn't
bark... just in case.I'd supervise the first time you try
it, because I've heard of some dogs barking, and going
so spazzy over them that they died.
I really don't think you are going to train a dog that
age, especially a beagle, NOT to bark. I see your
options as being:
1) anti-bark collar
a)citronella
b)electronic
c)bark buster (your neighbors will
probably complain asmuch about
that as the howlng)
2) surgical debarking
3) placing the dog and accepting the consequences
4) moving
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"diddy" <none> wrote in message
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> spoke these words of wisdom
in news:
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> The shock is minimal and nothing to worry about. There are 2 different
> types that frequent this group: the high falutin city folk that believe
> dogs should be treated like children, and the answer for any problem is
> "enroll them in class and spend $300 to teach them not to do it, and put
> them in time-out, but be sure their paw socks are on before stepping
> outside if under 50 degrees, etc."
First, I know of a dog with an antibark collar, who
protested so violently, he spazzed out and killed himself.
He was found dead in his kennel the next morning.
What dog training schools charge $300?
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diddler wrote:
I think paper training is ALWAYS a bad idea if you ever plan
on expecting them to potty outside. It makes the process harder.
I suggest crate training her, so she can be managed in between
potty periods. After she goes outside successfully, she can then
have supervised free time until she's due for another potty interval.
Take her out if she doesn't go, crate her, and offer her frequent
trips outside until she's successful. No bedding in the crate.
When she nips, don't play any more.I'd crate her for rough play.
I also press athumb intheir soft palate, and let them" TRY" to
spit me out. They soon enough learn that I am something they
do NOT want in their mouths
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Subject: Re: hyper puppy - normal?
"diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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t...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Todd H.)
whittled
> the following words: "brittany" janha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
>> Thanks. She is a Brittany Spaniel. I yelp like a puppy when she
>> does it and sometimes that works - sometimes she keeps after it
>> though. A swat on the nose or holding her snout closed as I say
>> "no bite" - will either of those be okay to do if she keeps at it?
>
> There are schools that say a 9wk old puppy is too young to be held
> accountable for their actions, so I'm not sure I'd crank up harsh
> corrections on them. A swat on the nose may be in that realm at this
> point. Holding the snout closed is more appropriate with the "no"
> correction at this point if you ask me.
Puppys ARE accountable for their actions, and if
you don't start teaching them, when WILL they be
accountable?
Tuck was housebroken at 6 weeks old. And he had
already learned not to mouth people. WHY? Because
I taught him. (In the very same Method Jack Morrison
had already prescribed. It works) I do agree the poor
pup should not be face swatted.
In the same vein, I'm going to steal Jack's comments
about the Bigotry of low expectations. If you don't
believe a dog can do something, they surely can't.
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And here's the PREDICTABLE results:
Subject: Re: The kind of mess uneducated breeders are making
No idea what he is. He's supposed to be part chow, but he
looks more aussie/duck tolling retriever to me than anything
with a pomeranian tail.
His facial animations are hilarious, you can see the wheels
turning, and he's very engaging. The down side is, a kid from
next door came over and pulled his ears, and he bit the kid on
the face resulting in a $300,000 plastic surgery.
I have a zero tolerance for dog bites, and would normally
put a dog that did that down, but this dog was the victim
here.
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SEE?
Here's your newfHOWEND pal diddler trainin her
neighbors' stray dog to stay HOWETA her trash:
From: diddy (di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Dog Shot, Neighbor Charged, Anchorage AK
I guess if I felt Danny was threatened, it's the way I would react.
There would be none left standing to deal with the threat just in
case.
If someone hurt him, I would not let borders or
continents stop me from pursuing justice.
Then again, I always feed Danny INSIDE. If someone is feeding
his dog outside, his own dog might not mean THAT much to him.
If he was feeding his dog outside though, many dogs are food
aggressive, and that could most certainly spark a dog aggression
thing. (and if the dog was penned quietly outside, what was it
doing in his yard?)
I shot a neighbors dog one night for chasing my horses and called
him to help me find it. I would do the same for threatening my dog.
My husband shot a dog that had been tearing up trash up and down
our road for years making an unbelievable mess. When we finally
killed the culprit, the whole road cheered. Animal control had never
been able in years to catch this critter. (we think it was feral it was
certainly unkempt enough to have been....and it had been shot at by
MANY of the neighbors, but it never frightened it off enough to
keep it from NOT tearing up the road the next trash day)
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
> in my question on calming games,
Yeah. You got a lotta ADVICE from PROFESSIONAL
OBEDIENCE trainer diddler. Unfortunately, HOWEver,
most of those "calming games" OVEREXXXCITES dogs
and INCREASES anXXXIHOWESNESS and CAUSES
hyperactivity and HOWETA CON-TROLL behaviors and
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES a.k.a.
The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ( >
diddler, the ****-stain, scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated cir***stances.
A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.
I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"
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"diddy" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> in thread news:m1s5g2lsio01rsk9iisfcjotfqigmljjnp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Janet B <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled
the following words:
> Curious how many choose to crate a dog forever,
> whenever they leave the house and/or overnight,
> or how many choose to wean from household
> crate usage (usage being shutting the dog in the
> crate, not the dog choosing to hang out there) at
> some specific ages or maturity levels.
> Not for how long during a workday, but how
> long for a dog's lifespan?
I plan on crating Tuck whenever NOT supervised
(which isn't often.. he usually is with me) Until the
day that he quits tearing apart everything in sight
when I leave the room.
A dog proof room doesn't work.
He's figured out door knobs. He's figured out cupboards,
and he loves to tug open dresser drawers. He's not
interested in anything left out in the open.
He's into treasure hunting, figuring anything worth
secreting away is worth his effort discovering. He's
discovered the sock stash is in drawers.
Trash cans? --not interested.
Counter tops? --not interested
Counter tops -with food? --not interested
Dog food sitting on the floorin open bags? --not interested
razor blades from bathroom drawers? ... Very cool stuff!
Mom really gets bent too!
nope.. His crate is going to be occupied for
some time to come.
As for the beagle.. She's never been trustworthy.
She's getting senile and never will be trustworthy,
so a crate is in her future until she crosses the bridge.
Reka, no crate at no time, She lost her crate when she was
5 months old. Both Tuck, and reka hangout in crates by choice.
Reka dens in the bathtub usually. (kind of a crate) But she
likes the beagles vantage point, because the beagles crate
is on top of Tuck's. Right next to the window so she can see
out. Tuck prefers the compartment with a view as well.
I always have to vacate him (even though the crate on top is
too small for both elkhounds, it's their preferred lookout)
when I wantto stick in the beagle.
Reka sleeps under the bed at night or in the bathtub at night
if it's really hot. She sleeps in the bathtub by day when not
watching from the penthouse suite.
Tuck is not crated at night, and has chosen to sleep in
the closet. The beagle holds down the couch, night and day.
--------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
> needs off-leash reliability in the presence
> of cats, chickens, sheep, motorcycles, etc.
INDEED?
Perhaps diddler can give you some additional advice?
> He is skinny enough to get through sheep wire, so has to be trustworthy.
You mean, LIKE THIS?:
diddler, the ****-stain, scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
Subject: Re: teaching dogs "jobs"
(They were taught NEVER EVER to step on a road.... No
foot EVER touches the road!) Danny lost a tracking test once,
because the test crossed a seldom used gravel road. When he
reached the road, a car just happened to go by. He refused to
cross the road, and when I took him by the collar and ****ged
him, I was Disqualified for aiding the dog.
Danny simply will NOT cross a road..
when he was intact, not EVEN for a ***** in season.
Now you have a dog that...
WHOOOOPS!
Whoops, Danny And Taya run away from
unsecured yard and imbecile owner BUT
CAREFULLY AVOID CROSSIN A ROAD.
Will they survive life out in the wilderness
out amongst diddler's coyote traps?
Will they get mistaken for coyotes and sold
to the highest bidder at the fur auction?
Or will they live again to do a help dummy diddy
do a demonstration on safe and responsible pet
owner****p in the kitchen with the vet's office kitten?
Stay tuned, fans...
From: diddy <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 11:27:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Dog Shot, Neighbor Charged, Anchorage AK
Cate wrote:
> "Jeff Harper" <dummyaddr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:aqgn8c$9ss69$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > | My husband shot a dog that had been tearing up
> > | trash up and down our road for years making an
> > | unbelievable mess. When we finally killed the
> > | culprit, the whole road cheered. Animal control
> > | had never been able in years to catch this critter.
> > | (we think it was feral it was certainly unkempt
> > | enough to have been....and it had been shot at by
> > | MANY of the neighbors, but it never frightened
> > | it off enough to keep it from NOT tearing up the
> > | road the next trash day)
>
> > Y'all take killing dogs pretty lightly. I'd have tolerated
> > the trash problem before I would have killed the dog.
>
> No kidding.
>
> > But putting up with it wouldn't have been necessary.
> > The trash could have been better secured and the
> > problem would have been resolved.
>
> Yep. Where's the condemnation of the people not
> securing their trash. Especially since, IIRC, this is
> the country we're talking about.
> Cate
They were in the standard Rumpke plastic
waste containers they MUST be in.
If you are upset I advise you to keep your dogs at home.
As i repeated before, the time Danny and Taya got loose,
for all the dangers they faced out there, cars, disease,
coyotes, etc, the most immediate danger they were in,
was being shot.
This is why I immediately started canvassing the area
with full color door to door handouts emblazoned with
REWARD. DO NOT SHOOT these dogs across the top.
I knew every second they were loose, they were in grave
danger of being shot. At that time, Our dog pound was
on 20/20 for being one of the worst in the country (it's
not now, it's a modern model facility) i WANTED my
dogs there.
It meant they weren't out there being shot.
They would throw dogs in pens of 10-20 dogs, In spite
of the dirt and filth, if they got there, I had a chance of
recovery.
Roaming in this area is a very bad thing,
and people WILL shoot dogs.
Happens all the time.
If you like your dog, you keep it home.
A persons personal animals are more valueable to
them than your animal you don't think enough of to
keep at home.
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
diddler the **** stain scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
"I was in that position once when Becky was hit
by a car when my son left the yard gate open.
Every Rescue Elkhound that I have ever had Cruciate ligament
surgery done on had straight stifles. I've never had one that
was properly angulated tear. It would make sense that a dog
with greater angulation would put more stress on the tendons,
yet the straight angulation dogs in my experience, have been
the ones with cruciate ligament tears. When you mentioned that
was her only conformational fault.. I'm thinking..
kachink! Another one!
------------------
Naaaah? Cruciate ligament failure is a EMOTIONALLY
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE a.k.a.
The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ( >
> It's not a question of life or death, because
> I could give him away easily.
You mean, LIKE THIS?:
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
<snip>
If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience cl***** at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.
--------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
Here's janet boss and her REAL LIFE IN PERSON
"students" paul and his RESCUE dog Muttley whom
she wanted to MURDER:
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
Hello everyone:
If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.
I will add a bit more history later in this post.
Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.
The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
had the time to work with him much on that.
I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pu****ng his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.
Muttley took the op****tunity to attack a young black
male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.
That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.
When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
what should be done about Muttley.
She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.
She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.
"They can't all be saved".
<snip>
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Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
<snip>
If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience cl***** at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.
--------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
Here's janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON "student" paul:
#2 - 6/05/07
>> When I was training him under Janet's supervision I
>> was instructed to give it a ? firm yank as a correction.
> I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm yanks
> on a chain choke collar. I hate the things.
>> She was able to get his attention with just a quick tug, but I
>> had to yank on it hard enough to lift him off his feet to get him
>> to respond.
>
>> Looking back now, I think it was based on his fear, which he
>> had for her (as an unknown), but not for me (whom he had
>> learned to trust).
> He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a confident trainer.
> Fear has no place in dog training, as I told you THEN.
> Janet.
It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
of further punishment.
Sure, if it is administered very consistently
by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
so what remains is negative.
Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
from me without lunging for it. When you offered
it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
a fear behavior.
Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
to think on his own, but that's just my way of
doing things, and that's probably not going to
change much. He may never win an obedience
medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
of control, either.
Paul and Muttley
"I thought I was told that the way to get the dog to go
down was to make him sit and then step on the leash.
That was awkward and didn't seem to work.
I will confess that I only tried the "down" position
once or twice at home, and I also often used it
instead of "Off" when I wanted him to stop
jumping on me or elsewhere I didn't want him to be.
I had to give him corrections every few seconds,
and also just about kick him, to keep him at my
left side.
Muttley is really a very sweet and loving dog, but
he needs more socialization with other dogs. However,
it is very likely that I will have him put down in a week."
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
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THAT'S quite a SUCCESS STORY, ain't it <{}: ~ ( >
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Subject: Re: redirected aggression
Date: 4/11/07
"Janet Boss" <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:janet-730AB8.17321511042007@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
seems I have been dealing with this a bit lately.
Dog to dog and dog to person,, with dogs who are
obviously overstimulated by what's in front of them.
What's in front of them varies from people at the door
to dogs in their path or directly in their face. The dogs
in question all have very poor self control.
I have dog(s) with not-so-great-natural self control,
so it's something we constantly work on. We don't
have redirected stuff going on, because we have enough
obedience to avoid it.
While I know that's the big answer for the dogs in
question as well, I'm curious what things people have
found useful to redirect/focus/gain attention from
drivey dogs or just very distracted of over-the-top dogs.
We're having success with my recommendations, but I'm
always open to something novel that may be the hot ticket.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
LIKE THIS:
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt
Or you could just SHOCK them.
LIKE THIS:
"J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher than a 5
> > > with it, even with an insensitive dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
know HOWE COME IT was MACED?
janet CONtinues:
> > My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are
> > DOGS. I don't have anything against electronic bark
> > collars, but they should be used in conjunction with
> > actually working at training your dog(s).
They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.
-------------------
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
"CourteHOWES Canine."
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?
When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"CourteHOWES Canines"
Janet B wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:44:14 -0500, Janet B
> <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, clicked their
> heels and said:
> Since you quoted me repeatedly, where does it say
> I beat dogs, choke dogs, scream at dogs, etc? Thanks
> for your clarification.
responding to my own post, I had to go back and look
at the original post, to remind myself what "we" are all
accused of doing:
"screaming, choking,
shocking, pinching, beating
the living crap out of your dogs"
Scream? no
Choke? no
Shock? e-collars are a lot more sophisticated than that
Pinch? if you want to classify a momentary discomfort
by a prong collar, go ahead, but unless you have first
hand experience with one, your opinion means nothing
Beat the living crap out of? hardly - no hitting exists
Janet.
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lying frosty dahl writes:
"Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less
tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking
them more sharply.
With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.'
Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the
stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to
the dummy.
Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog,
Now you are ready to progress to what most
people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch.
Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent
that resisting your will fades in im****tance.
but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
instead of your thumb;
even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that
Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy
against its lips and pinching its ear.
if the dog still does not open its mouth,
get out the shotshell.
Try pinching the ear between the metal casing
and the collar, even the buckle on the collar.
Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in"
--------------------
"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack
Wouldn't Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't
Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear
He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.
captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK" Makes A
ResoundingSound Distraction: "When You Chuck The Dog
The Sound Will Travel Up The Mandible To The Ears And
Give A Popping Sound To The Dog."
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
"Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain
And Punishment, High Tolerance For Correction, Escalation
Of Correction To A Level Where The Dog Yelps When You
Punish Him, Thus Making The Experience One Which The
Dog Will Want To Avoid In The Future," grant teeboon, RAAF.
On 26 Jun 2005 10:52:42 -0700, lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> What does the "choke" in the "choke chain" stand for, then?
> Lucy
one reason I call them slip collars. Their is a correction involved,
and while it causes momentary discomfort, does not choke the dog.
OTOH, it is CAPABLE fo being used to do that, should a situation
warrant it.
--
Janet B
--------------------
From: "Deltones" <vibrov...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2 Dec 2005 10:55:41 -0800
Subject: Re: In defense of Jerry Howe's methods
Mary Healey wrote:
> I'm still asking for 5 original posts from people here at least
> 5 years to sup****t your initial contention (NOT HURTING
> DOGS TO TRAIN THEM).
You're 0 for 2, so far.
That's 2 in 2 as far as I'm concerned but hey, if you insist. I'm
really curious to see what will be the justification this time. So
far we have:
Limited choking? Hey, it's limited, As
Neo would say: Woah, there is no choke.
Dogs pumped full of prozac? Hey, they're trippin
man. Remember Woodstock. Euh.... Woodwhat?
E-Collar? I'm sure some of you will come up with: But my
dog look so pretty with an electrified perm. Swoooon.
So on with the fun. Taken from the "Collars" thread,
started by Perry Templeton June 20 2005
Denis
------------
And here's another one from the same author, taken from the same thread:
167. Janet B
Jun 21, 12:03 pm show options
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005
<Ali...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, wrote:
> I'm just wondering why you had to use choke chains to
> "train"your dogs especially as they are so small.
Oh geez - let's see - how many JRTs act like alligators
at the end of a leash? I personally prefer prong collars.
----------------
Let's go for the hat trick with the same author, taken from the same
thread:
141. Janet B
Jun 27, 10:01 pm
I don't use choke chains. Not quite true - I use a jeweler's hex link
on Franklin at times - it's puuuuuurty. I know the "sound" thing
and all, and when training a dog in a non-group setting, that sound
may be a factor, but I think it fails in the context of a group class.
So, I prefer the better fitting nylon slip collars, and very often,
pinch collars (small link unless it's a freaky dog, then they need
the milder medium link).
But I use e-collars too. With one of my dogs and with some clients.
For cir***stances where a physical collar and leash is not the right
answer. I'm sure Lucy has no clue what THAT means!
--
Janet B
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Here's janet's PARTNER who heelped nessa "train" her
fear aggressive hyperactive HOWETA CON-TROLL
PROBABLY DEAD dogs to DESTROY her HOWES
an TURN ON HER:
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
sinofa***** writes:
> > What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took
> > posts from two different people,
Of curse THAT'S a lie.
> > took pieces of them out of context,
Of curse. QUOTED. You wanna see it in context?
> > cobbled them together,
No. There was WON DIRECT QUOTE.
> > then added his own words:
"Neatly," and "Smartly."
> > and a fake signature.
"sinofa*****" instead of sionnach.
> > Which is exactly what he did.
INDEEDY. That's HOWE COME you deny it.
> > The actual quote is misleading
That so?
> > when taken out of context,
We'd been talkin abHOWET beatin the dog with a shoe...
> > and Jerry's faked "quote"
The WON sinofa***** totally DENIES.
> > is downright meaningless.
Only if you're a MENTAL CASE.
> Here's Jerry's version
> "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
> Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
> Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
> Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
> Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
> Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
> Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofa*****.
>
> Here's yours;
>
> "I dropped the leash, threw my
> right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
> grabbed her opposite foot with my
> left hand, rolled her on her side,
> leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
> nipped her ear.
> --Sara Sionnach
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
See?
> There are plenty of stockyards where he could be confined
> to catch vermin. Just that would be a pretty boring life,
> because stockyard dogs tend not to be walked, and are often
> chained 24/7. Often the only human input they get is a bowl
> of kibble every day. (This is central Spain)
Yeah. We wouldn't wanna see sumpthin like THAT happen <{}: ~ ) >
> Toby needs to be reliable if he is to have an interesting life.
INDEEDY~!:
diddler, the ****-stain, scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated cir***stances.
A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.
I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"
--------------------
> He spent at least two weeks wandering around a village and
> surroundings and is still alive, with no re****ts of misbehavior,
> so he starts from a strong position.
Oh, you mean LIKE THIS:
diddler, the ****-stain, scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> We have a beagle. Before we got our last one,
> we knew what to expect and spent a year re-enforcing
> the fence.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> What we did.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> Double fencing, hardware cloth lined on the inside.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> Wood ties under gates.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> A chicken wire apron extending out into the yard
> 12 inches.(hog ringed to the upright fencing).
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> We chose chicken wire because it was flexible
> and ground conforming. grass grows right over
> it, making it invisible and easy to mow over.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> It's tacked down by tent stakes every 10 inches.
> (this is our most considerable investment)
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> The problems with it is that it eventually disintegrates,
> rusts, pulls apart and need repair a lot.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> We placed tile blocks over the top, because
> the tent stakes stick up, and sometimes get
> hit by the lawnmower.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> Overall, it's a pretty decent system and works
> MOST of the time.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> The beagle is persistent, and tends to work the inner
> fencing, that's flimsy down, or tear it, making exit holes.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> We recently cut down a couple yard trees that broke
> down sections of the fence and they need re-enforcement.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> When the weather breaks, a whole new fence is
> in order, but the system works MOST of the time.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> We did install an underground perimeter E-fence
> at the fence line, and found a single strand 12 inch
> high electric cattle fence around the perimeter was
> just as effective, cheaper, less bothersome (no need
> to wear heavy e-collars.. especially that mess up coats),
> but both needed occassional maintenence.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> What we did.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> I admit our system fails occassionally, especially
> when snow drifts are over the top of the fences
> and erase any identifiable fenceline.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> We installed (BEFORE getting the beagle) a 100
> foot trolly line that crosses the yard.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> This is a safe, effective restraint system that has
> always worked when immediate repairs or extra
> security is desired.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> If I go away and leave the beagle outside. He goes
> to the trolly line, whether the containment system
> is currently working or not.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> It's great for emergency situations, and the $17 last
> resort system gets used for the beagle far more than
> I ever expected. It still allows reasonable exercise
> range of area and mobility. The elkhounds and the
> beagle still play avidly, and it's the cheapest piece of
> mind security ever.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> A trolly tether system is the best for tem****ary
> containment while discovering where the leak is.
> In the snow, it's easy to discover the
> leak. In the summer, it's more difficult.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> I do not like, or use our current underground collar system
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
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Here's diddler RESCUEIN a stray kitty kat:
From: diddy (di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: cats : Crating/Caging: What constitutes abuse?
Date: 2002-08-23 09:18:08 PST
Lyn wrote:
> > You know I'm a cat abuser because I let my cat out.
> > Alison
>
> Well, it totally depends upon where you live, as to whether
> or not doing so is in the best interest of your animal.
> Abuser isn't a term I would use, and I am a "cat group"
> regular.
Here it would be abuse. If you like your cat you keep it
home. I run a state authorized and monitored nuisance
animal trapline.
This morning there was a cat in a snare. Ordinarily,
an animal caught in a snare can be released unharmed.
One of the animals I am targeting is coyotes (and the
complaint was that coyotes were killing area cats)
Duh.. If your cats are becoming lunch for wild animals,
to me .. It makes sense to keep your cats in where they
can't become lunch.. whatever.
Regarding this cat in the snare. It went nuts. It leaped,
and tangled itself, and most certainly strangulated it's
intestines. It had the snare pulled tight down to the
diameter of a dime (just large enough to encircle the
spine) around the waist area.
This cats snarled, and attacked. Trying to extricate this cat
was exceedingly difficult, not to mention dangerous. Because
I feared damage to the intestines and death of the gut, I
imagined this cat was not likely to survive.
It would have been much simpler to dispatch the unfortunate
cat and take out the dead body. Instead, this cat wore a
collar. it deserved a chance, and the owner deserved closure.
(no id on the collar).
It escaped, just as I released it and it couldn't be taken to
the vet for examination. I will probably never know if this
particular cat survives the experience or not.
People in the area were aware that trapping was being done and
apparently still let their cats run free, b oth endangered by
the traps and by the coyotes being targeted that are causing a
problem with their cat population.
Had that cat not been wearing a collar, I would not have tried
to release this hostile cat. Releasing it may not have been a
kindness, but then... cats weren't supposed to be attracted to
this type of trap, in this position, and then they weren't
supposed to go ape, to get themselves in this situation.
If you like your pet, you keep them home.
----------------------
> Are there any games or activities that you
> would not play with this dog?
You mean, like eating chickens an ducks an keyboards
an horse poop an the veterinarians' office kat an the carpet
coverin the BBQ or chewing toxic wood an gettin ITS foot
caught in a coyote trap?
> I have cut out ball games in case they
> encourage him to chase anything that moves.
That's ABSURD. Dogs is PRAY critters. PRAY DRIVE
is used by ALL competent trainers to TRAIN their dogs
to NATURALLY WANT to DO ANY THING they're asked.
LIKE THIS:
Subject: A Completely New Model Of Learning
From: The Puppy Faerie
Date: Thurs, Nov 24 2005 8:27 pm
LeeCharlesKelley Wrote:
From what I've read of Jerry's method it incor****ates
a completely new model of learning, which is based (in
simplest terms) on the idea that all behavior is the
result of finding a way to relieve emotional tension.
This is true not just for dogs but all animals.
You don't believe in the validity of this
particular model of learning? You don't
think it makes sense?
Fine, I guess.
But it makes total sense to me.
And it made sense to Pavlov, too,
though not many people know this.
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement."
IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are
what reinforces any behavior.
Finn once saw a small mouse come out of a hole
atthe base of a tree. Needless to say his prey
instinct kicked in BIG TIME and he chased it
back into the hole. This was 7 years before
he died. Up until the very last time he walked
through that section of the park (an hour before
he went) he checked the base of that tree.
He saw that mouse exactly *once*....he never
saw it again. Don't we all have stories like
that?
Especially those of us with dogs whose
prey drives are pretty intense?
And there are lots of examples that may not
even require the prey drive to be active,
just a strong desire to do something: a dog
who wants to escape from the back yard will
learn how to do it once and never forget it,
a dog who wants to jump on the couch or the
bed doesn't need any repetitions to "reinforce"
or re-learn the behavior.
If something is im****tant to a dog, he'll
learn how to do it. Once he learns it, he
learns it. The trick to getting him to
"unlearn" it, is to give him a more
emotionally satisfying replacement behavior.
With Oscar and the cat, the more satisfying
behavior was relating to me instead of the cat.
(He's a Lab, with a strong need for social
connections, so that was pretty easy.)
I've been experimenting recently with Jerry
Howe's method of using a sound distraction,
then praising the dog, without any physical
contact, for 15 seconds.
My initial reaction to his technique was that
it was silly to keep praising the dog that long.
I mean, Jerry's a nut, right?
But in every case except one, when I've followed
the exercise exactly, I've seen a definite
physiological change take place in the dog -
-yawning or stretching have been the usual
indicators -- and after only a few repetitions,
the dog often relaxes, curls up, and goes to sleep!
I've tried this on barking, counter-surfing,
separation anxiety, even two dogs who live
together and fight constantly. I was pretty
amazed when I saw this little Boston give up
her aggression and start to yawn!
It's too early for me to be convinced that it
will work every single time with every single
dog, or that it will even have a lasting effect
on these dogs, but so far I think that it's
effective at reducing emotional tension, which,
as you know, I believe that all behavior comes
from the dog trying to find a way to reduce
emotional tension. If you give the dog a
replacement behavior that successfully reduces
emotional tension, the first behavior will no
longer be necessary and the dog will stop doing it.
From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:03:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Has anyone read . .
Leah:
> I'm curious now. Are there any of our more
> experienced and educated trainers (Lynn, Diane,
> Janet, Belinda, et al) who have heard of this
> as a viable method?
Kelley: Doubtful, since being "educated" in this
case means being indocrinated into a total
misunderstanding about how a dog's mind actually
operates.
As I said in my post, everything the experts say
about dogs is wrong. If the common folklore was
true, what I've been doing wouldn't work at all,
ever. And it not only works, it works better
than the accepted, prescribed way of doing things.
It's good that you're curious, but I wouldn't look
to any "educated" trainers for answers, I'd look to
your dogs.
-----------------
From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:14:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
Leah:>I did try to get my head around your theories, but
I can't buy them. praise *reinforces* the dog's behavior
I'll give you an easier example: say you're walking through
the park with your dog. She starts walking a little ahead
of you but not isn't intensely focused on something in the
environment, she's just a little restless to move ahead.
You praise her entususiastically and she turns and comes
back to your side. If praise were only a reinforcer, praising
her for moving ahead of you would have made her feel that
*that* behavior was good and reinforced it, right?
She would have been more likely to
stay in front of you than come back.
So in this example how and why did praise have the
opposite effect and *change* the behavior rather
than reinforce it?
From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:46:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
John:>I dunno. In both of these situations, praise
stopped the undesirable behavior. I would guess that
the praise meant more to your dog at that point than
the object he was after.
That's it pretty much in a nutshell. The dog was looking
for a way to relieve mild emotional tension. The behavior
was given up voluntarily when the dog found another source
of emotional satisfaction, being praised. Praise works,
as both a reward and a "correction", because it changes the
dog's emotional state. Behavior is caused by emotion.
When you change a dog's emotional state,
you automatically change his behavior.
John: > What happens if that balance is disturbed. What
happens if the object your dog is going after means more
to them than your praise,
Then praise wouldn't have any effect on the behavior. In
order to use praise in this way you have to be able to "read"
the dog's emotions.
Although, I take that back. That's not necessarily true.
I once got an aggressive dog at the dog run to almost give
up her aggression by praising her every time she growled at
a dog who came too close. I wasn't doing it on purpose.
I was just trying to calm her nerves, but I noticed that
when I began praising her, her psychic buffer zone started
about fifteen feet away from where we were sitting.
But after praising her for ten minutes or so, she'd let a
dog get within five feet or less before the growls started
escaping from her throat. She even did the thing with her
nose, where she'd start to try and sniff the dog from her
perch on the park bench before the growl in her throat got
loose.
I thought she was very sweet underneath her swagger
and felt that with enough encouragement she might be
able to get off her ass and actually go play with some
of the other dogs, but her owner thought I was
"encouraging" her aggression and gave us both a good
scolding.
She was quite right to scold me. I hadn't been asked to
change her dog's behavior. But the dog hadn't been doing
a damn thing when the owner came over, grabbed her
roughly by the collar, held her snout and shouted in her face.
John:>or what happens if you do not praise them for a
while when they attempt to perform the undesired behavior?
I'm not sure I understand the question. Praising a bad
behavior, if done in the right situation, with the right
timing, and with four or five repetitions, should get the
dog to totally give up the desire to produce the behavior
ever again, at least in that location.
Remember, the desire to produce the behavior comes from
internal emotional tension. If that tension is resolved
through praise (or whatever tactic you use), the dog will
have learned that the behavior it had wanted to produce
didn't get a successful result, but that listening to you
(or responding to whatever tactic you used to relieve the
tension) *did*.
> > So, I used his "technique" on Pan's stick chewing.
Yeah, but NON VIOLENT METHODS DO NOT WORK
for DOG ABUSERS:
Re: Your Training Modality is Driving Your Dogs Crazy
Leah:>>Is there something wrong with being curious?
Morrison:>You're not curious, Leah. IMO, you're just wishy-washy.
Kelley: I don't have the same history that you seem
to have with Leah, but I hardly think being open to
exploring new ideas qualifies as being "wishy-washy".
To me it shows intelligence. But then, from what I've
seen, you've demonstrated a singular kind of black
and-white mentality and a highly ignorant closed-mindedness.
Morrison:>You keep thinking that there's some "new"
method out there that will VOILA!, magically transform
you into a great trainer, and overnight, too.
> It just doesn't work that way.
Kelley: Actually, that's *exactly* how it worked with me.
Within the first day of using these techniques I went from
becoming a run-of-the-mill dog trainer to being pretty damn
good, if I do say so myself, and all simply by testing the
techniques, just to see if they worked.
I've said from the beginning that if I can get the kind of
amazing results I do when I'm not really a dog trainer at
heart, but a writer, then someone who's really a dog trainer
at heart would become a far better trainer than I am instantly,
just by using these methods.
Somewhere along the line, however, I discovered a dirty
little secret about the mentality of most dog trainers: they
only *became* trainers because they liked the feeling of
power and control it gave them. If that's the case with
you, then you definitely wouldn't like natural dog training
because it ultimately teaches a dog how to control his own
behavior.
In fact in some ways, it forces you to turn your need for
control over to the dog because the method only works
when you put your trust in a dog's natural instincts
instead of fighting against them all the time.
That's because when you put yourself in alignment
with a dog's instincts, the dog will naturally obey
you under any and all cir***stances because group
harmony and cooperation, when properly nurtured,
are the most fundamental aspects of a dog's nature.
I came across the following quote recently, and though
I have no idea who Edward Hoagland is, I think what
he says here speaks volumes: "In order to really enjoy
a dog, one doesn't merely try to train him to be semi-human.
The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of
becoming partly a dog." - Edward Hoagland
Leah:>>This "praise the dog when he misbehaves"
thing keeps coming up, and nobody has been able
to explain it to me.
Morrison:>That's because no one can.
Actually, Jerry Howe explains it pretty well.
And as for the incident I related where I praised my
dog when he found a juicy chicken breast and my praise
caused him to drop it, and subsequently got him to stop
scavenging altogether, merely by praising him everytime
he found something, the answer is pretty clear.
He didn't pick up that chicken breast because he was
hungry, he did it because he was looking for something
to do that would satisfy an inner emotional need, relating
to his instincts.
When I praised him, suddenly and very enthusiastically, he
dropped the chicken breast because the praise provided him
with more emotional satisfaction than the chicken breast
did at that particular moment.
You could look at this as being an example of pure
operant conditioning, if you like (though you'd be
wrong), but it would still mean that you would have
to give up your beliefs about what praise is and how
and why it works, and you don't strike me as someone
who's capable of even *questioning* your beliefs, let
alone capable of giving them up.
Morrison:>every single method out there is based on CC
and/or OC. That's a fact.
No, it's not a fact. The only reason it seems factual to
you is because the basic premise of behavioral science is
tautological in nature (and also because, IMO, you have a
tiny mind).
In my estimation it's more likely that there are little
green men on Mars than that what you think is operant
conditioning is what's really taking place when a dog
learns *anything*.
Dogs do not learn things by association or by repetition
or by trial and error, but through their emotions, pure
and simple.
Even Pavlov said: "Positive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic
significance at a given moment, serve as the reinforcement."
Of course, even Pavlov got it wrong on the most basic
level, since there really is no such thing as a reinforcement,
but that's another story for another day.
---------------------------
> This was after he chased our sheep. Luckily he
> took them in a circle that came back to me,
That's an INSTINCTIVE behavior on both the sheep an dog's part.
> and he left them and came when called.
Sounds like he's a natural sheep herder??
> Toby could well have some sheepdog in him. So, what
> would you guys NOT do with this dog, who is a very
> promising youngster, and who has to have well-nigh
> impeccable behavior around livestock,
You mean, LIKE THIS?:
From: diddy <none>
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:29:05 -0500
Subject: Good Tuck - kind of off topic
Tuck woke me up in the night. I knew something was wrong,
and I grabbed the handgun and a flashlight, figuring whatever
was out there, was going to be within range of a handgun in t
he dark.
Wrong, I saw coyotes in the pasture, but they were 100 yards out.
i needed a rifle. Not a shotgun, nor the handgun.
I ran in the house and got DH, with his rifle and flashlight,
by then, they were gone.
Tuck did his job of sentry. He recognized a problem and got me up .
I suppose I was just too slow. And although I had a gun and flashlight
in my hand, it was the wrong gun for the job, and I lost the op****tunity.
Tuck spent the rest of the night outside, and I spent the rest of the
night
on the ****ch.
This morning the ducks were gone. The coyotes had dug underneath
the bike shed to get them. Duck kept her babies well under the shed,
with only inches of clearance. We did not think anything but a weasel
could get her there.
We thought the babies were safe there.
So did White duck. They were not.
White duck's remnant tribe babies were finished off last night
by the coyotes. Since the last attack where she lost 10 of them,
she's been very careful with the last three, no longer ranging in
the fields, and staying close to the chicken house.
She put them on welfare instead of teaching
them foraging for themselves for safetys sake.
Her entire demeanor changed since the last attack, being constantly
on vigil, getting up late in the morning, making sure daylight was
well up so she could see any potential predators and heading to bed
early to safety.
She's been a wonderful careful mother.
white duck's babies were only about a week from flying. At which
time they would have been safe. White duck did an impeccable job
of mothering.
You wouldn't think a duck would emotionally experience loss.
But she's very lost this morning. She's wandering close seeking
comfort. That's not like her.
Since May. her whole life has been wrapped up
around raising, training, and caring for her brood.
Now she has nothing to do. I feel sorry for her.
She absolutely was a fabulous mother.
We still have 7 babies left from brown duck, who keeps her
babies in a horse stall at night. So far, they have been safe,
but she takes risks with her babies, and I never felt hers were
as safe as White Ducks. Nor was she ever as vigilant a mother.
I guess I was wrong.
Tuck did his job, White duck did hers, I guess I didn't do mine.
The coyotes will be back.
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From: diddy <none>
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:32:29 -0500
Subject: won a battle, losing the war
This morning I shot a fox on an early morning poultry raiding
party. The chickens had just been let out of the chicken house,
and the fox scattered them everywhere. They flew out in the
corn field where the fox party was last seen. I knew I had to get
them back before the rest of the fox pack caught them.
They were probably lurking in the corn cover waiting to see
the outcome of their fellow fox that I just shot, and all the
chickens were out there with them.
So I sent Tuck out in the corn field to herd back up the chickens
and bring them all back across the fence to safety. Tuck knew
what to do, and suddenly I saw him standing there doing nothing.
He looked at me, and wagged his tail expectantly as if to say
"well?" i called him again, he looked at his foot, and wagged
all the harder.
I told him (again) to get the rest of the chickens, and he stood
there wagging his butt so hard I thought he was going to fall
over, but he didn't move from his spot.
Disobedience is not Tuck's style, so I went to him, and
he was stuck in a trap that I wasn't aware was there. My
husband, knowing I never send the dogs on that side of
the fence, had placed a trap trying to handle the poultry
marauders. He caught Tuck instead.
Gosh this is a stoic dog! When he was dying of a perforated
stomach, with strangulated intestines and bowel death, as
well as septic peritonitis, he was full of play, and waggy
enthusiasm.
He never seems to recognize and/or react to pain of any kind.
I've never seen any dog react so little to pain stimulus.
Anyway, So I released Tuck, and he took off and finished
collecting all the scattered chickens. After a head count, I
realized all chickens, ducks and goose were safe and accounted for.
Fox 0
Me 1
It was a good morning.
Tuck is totally uninjured and did a good mornings work.
Good dog.
We are still behind. Predators in the last few
weeks have taken 17 ducks, one goose and 3 chickens
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diddler, the ****-stain, scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated cir***stances.
A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.
I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Date: December 29, 2006 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: Dog chewing up floors
in thread news:aad9p2hg0aei5nijqludfvqhb8g1l0jsaj@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mmmtobler...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled the following
words:
> I, for one, am glad that the Puppy Wizard comes across
> as a complete loon given what his advice is since it
> makes it less likely that people will take it instead
> of the advice of someone else I think gives better advice.
For the record, The Puppy wizard over-rates himself. But
"his" (tm) methods are pretty much tried and true methods
that trainers have used and some still use today.
There are better methods out there now. But the ones posted
in his manual (now that he has removed the advice to SPIKE
a dog's temperature to dangerous levels) are sound. they work..
no matter what we think of the puppy-wizard and his packaging...
"his methods" <cough> are just as valid as anyone else's
"His methods" can stand some updating, and he definitely
needs to look at some repackaging.
Hopefully others add a slicker delivery to grab attention,
but truthfully, when you look at the cat fights that go on
here, and stand back and watch in perspective, it's rather
hard to determine the sane ones from the lunatics.
In fact, an awful lot of people here come off looking
rather tainted. A person needs to have a good filtering
device to sort out the noise.
TPW just has a problem that's too painfully obvious.
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You couldn't MAKE THIS IDIOCY UP if you was PAID for it~!
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