HOWEDY paul e. schoen,
Pryor to startin I'd like to THANK YOU for NOT DISCREDITING
me AGAIN in more than WON week~! Thank you for your kindly
HOWEspitality <{}': ~ ) >
"Paul E. Schoen" <pstech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Suja" <spanaval@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "diddy" <none> wrote in message:
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>>> So how do you explain projection to a dog/non-dog person
>>> who really believes they ARE a dog person and a trainer?
Ahhh, diddler means PSYCHIC DOG TRAININ
a la cesar millan, z dog wheeesperer~!
>> Show her. She doubts the dog. Show that the dog tracks
>> just fine without her. Multiple times if necessary, so she knows that
>> the dog will do the job as long as she does hers.
'Her job' will be to jerk choke an shock the dog JUST LIKE
HOWE IT was "TRAINED" by the original dog abusin
animal murderin mental case / coward / fraud <{}: ~ ) >
> This sounds a lot like my attempts with Muttley at dog obedience.
INDEED?
> He knows what the "tricks" are, and will comply
> when there is no other option,
You mean when you jerk an choke IT on your custom
made pronged spiked pinch choke collar, paulie?:
Here's paulie's CUSTOM MADE pronged spiked pinch choke collar:
http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt
> but when I have allowed him some slack,
You mean when you DON'T jerk an choke IT on your
custom made pronged spiked pinch choke collar, paulie?
> he takes full advantage of it and will not do as I ask.
Oh well, THAT'D be on accHOWENTA your dog AIN'T
TRAINED, paulie. So called OBEDIENCE TRAININ is
a SCAM <{}: ~ ( >
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Subject: Re: redirected aggression
Date: 4/11/07
"Janet Boss" <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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seems I have been dealing with this a bit lately.
Dog to dog and dog to person,, with dogs who are
obviously overstimulated by what's in front of them.
What's in front of them varies from people at the door
to dogs in their path or directly in their face. The dogs
in question all have very poor self control.
I have dog(s) with not-so-great-natural self control,
so it's something we constantly work on. We don't
have redirected stuff going on, because we have enough
obedience to avoid it.
While I know that's the big answer for the dogs in
question as well, I'm curious what things people have
found useful to redirect/focus/gain attention from
drivey dogs or just very distracted of over-the-top dogs.
We're having success with my recommendations, but I'm
always open to something novel that may be the hot ticket.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
SEE?
BWEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!
> I have been told that I must assume
> the role of a dictator or drill sergeant,
Oh? Oh, you mean LIKE THIS, paulie?:
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
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He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss
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> > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
know HOWE COME IT was MACED?
janet CONtinues:
> > My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are DOGS.
> > I don't have anything against electronic bark collars, but they
> > should be used in conjunction with actually working at training
> > your dog(s).
They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> but that is not a comfortable role for me to play.
You mean on accHOWENTA you don't know HOWE
to give your "RESCUE DOG" Muttley an EFFECTIVE
CHOKING CORRECTION, paulie?
LIKE THIS:
"I thought I was told that the way to get the dog to go
down was to make him sit and then step on the leash.
That was awkward and didn't seem to work.
I will confess that I only tried the "down" position
once or twice at home, and I also often used it
instead of "Off" when I wanted him to stop
jumping on me or elsewhere I didn't want him to be.
I had to give him corrections every few seconds,
and also just about kick him, to keep him at my
left side.
Muttley is really a very sweet and loving dog, but
he needs more socialization with other dogs. However,
it is very likely that I will have him put down in a week."
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
Hello everyone:
If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.
I will add a bit more history later in this post.
Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.
The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
had the time to work with him much on that.
I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pu****ng his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.
Muttley took the op****tunity to attack a young black
male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.
That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.
When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
what should be done about Muttley.
She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.
She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.
"They can't all be saved".
<snip>
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SEE?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> Muttley obeys well enough not to be a totally obnoxious brat, and that
is
> good enough for me.
INDEED? HOWE COME your DEAD KAT
Photon GOT DEAD on you, paulie?
Muttley made short work of your own DEAD KAT Photon:
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
<snip>
If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience cl***** at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.
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BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
IS THIS your DEAD KAT Photon?:
http://tinyurl.com/2qr9ry
Did paulie's DEAD KAT run HOWET on
paulie an his RESCUE dog Muttley??
Hey! I think I FHOWEND him on the side of the
road JUST LIKE in the picture, but withHOWET
the sign.
Is he black an red?
If you don't want him back maybe I can keep him?
I think he's still good. He's up the road a piece from
here an there's a little on the other side of the road
there an some in the middle not far from me here.
You want him back to make sure he gets a good HOWES?
He still looks pretty good. A tad lonely maybe. Just like
in the pic, EXXXCEPT MOORE of him in MOORE pics.
Same profile, HOWEver.
BWEEEAAAAHAHAAHAHAAA!!!
> But someone who wants to be known as a dog trainer
> must be able to succeed with just about any dog, especially one like
Rika,
> who is known to be trained and will consistently comply with what is
> required in
> the hands of the right person.
That's ABSURD, paulie:
Here's janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON "student" paul:
#2 - 6/05/07
>> When I was training him under Janet's supervision I
>> was instructed to give it a ? firm yank as a correction.
> I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm yanks
> on a chain choke collar. I hate the things.
>> She was able to get his attention with just a quick tug, but I
>> had to yank on it hard enough to lift him off his feet to get him
>> to respond.
>
>> Looking back now, I think it was based on his fear, which he
>> had for her (as an unknown), but not for me (whom he had
>> learned to trust).
> He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a confident trainer.
> Fear has no place in dog training, as I told you THEN.
> Janet.
It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
of further punishment.
Sure, if it is administered very consistently
by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
so what remains is negative.
Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
from me without lunging for it. When you offered
it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
a fear behavior.
Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
to think on his own, but that's just my way of
doing things, and that's probably not going to
change much. He may never win an obedience
medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
of control, either.
Paul and Muttley
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
<snip>
If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience cl***** at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.
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BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
SEE??
> I know that Muttley is not really the right sort of dog for me,
Yeah. HOWEver, THAT'S on accHOWENTA *you*
are a pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal
murderin MENTAL CASE, REMEMBER, paulie??
> but I was his only hope for survival,
No, paulie. Muttley woulda been JUST FINE had it not
been for *you* an your "RESCUE" pal hellen <{}: ~ ( >
> and he has been a pretty good dog.
Yeah. HOWEver, only since he chased off your DEAD KAT Photon.
> The fact that others have remarked that he acted as a
> "gentleman", and was "well behaved", speak probably
> more about his innate good nature than my influence.
INDEED?
Let's talk abHOWET your second DEAD "RESCUE"
dog Lucky, shall we, paulie? Your DEAD "RESCUE"
Pit Bull Dog Lucky whom you DUMPED at a KILL
SHELTER where IT was MAGICKALLY ADOPTED
within a couple days of you GETTIN RID OF IT for
opposite *** dog aggression and hyperactivity <{}: ~ ( >
HERE'S HOWE COME:
paulie wrote:
Your non-violent methods for dogs ring hollow
when you use verbal violence against other dog
owners, thus triggering their own opposition
reflexes. I will try other non-violent methods
that communicate what is expected of the dog.
And I don't believe that proper use of a prong
collar or choker chain are evil and physically
hurtful.
[snip verbal abuse]
So you think it is effective to withold praise,
but offer it as a bribe to get people to follow
your methods? Or promise you will stop beating
them if they obey your commands? Yet never do
it for a dog?
Paul and Muttley (almost fully recovered from
Arbitrary Praise Neurosis)
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"so now he accuses me of yanking and choking my
dog on a prong collar to force him into obedience,"
SEE?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
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