HOWEDY mike d.,
"mike d." <mikdan7@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> my neighbors female pitbull has long claws
The CURE for that is trimmin <{}'; ~ ) >
> and she jumps on you and scratches with them.
The CURE for THAT is:
Here's your own FREE COPY of The Sincerely Incredibly
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The actual INSTRUCTION begins on the third page "*777*
Wits' End Method", abHOWET 1/4 down the page starting
with "Here's ALL the INFORMATION you NEED" and my
phone # and instructions to CALL ANY TIME.
There you will find ALL the FREE information you need
to pupperly handle raise and train your pets and family.
Just follow the instructions PRECISELY and ASK me if
you need any additional FREE HEELP <{}': ~ ) >
> She is a block head of a dog,
It'll take just a few minutes to PERMENANTELY
EXXXTINGUISH the jumpin an clawin usin
EFFECTIVE, SCIENTIFIC, NON PHYSICAL,
Pavlovian and Ericksonian CONditioning <{}: ~ ) >
> and she doesn't listen to ****-
Of curse not. She AIN'T BEEN TRAINED.
So called OBEDIENCE trainin is a SCAM.
> and i ain't gonna hit her to try to see if that works,
Good for you, mike d. <{}: ~ ) >
MOST of your fellHOWE dog lovers HURT and
INTIMIDATE dogs an TRY to get HOWET callin
THAT, trainin <{}: ~ ( >
> so I end up just keeping my distance from that dog.
That's fine, too. Perhaps you'll SHARE the
GOOD NEWS with your neighbot?:
http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard/777witsendmanual.htm
> It's a shame, personally, i think pitbulls as a breed
> are a mistake which should either be bred out of existence or seriously
> bred to improve them and
> make them useful for something besides a half-
> ass companion dog which cannot always be trusted
> to behave..
You're DEAD WRONG abHOWET Pit Bull Dogs, mike d. <{}: ~ ( >
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH,
That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And
Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The
Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies.
"All animals learn best through play," Lorenz.
B.F. Skinner: Re-evaluation of Punishment:
Punishment, unfortunately traditionally overused,
actually has been proven not effective at long-
term behavioral change, and creatures will find
other ways of getting what it wants. In "Freedom
and the control of men" American Scholar, Winter
1955-56, 25, 47-65. 1956 he states:
If we no longer resort to torture in what we call
the civilized world, we nevertheless still make
extensive use of punitive techniques in both
domestic and foreign relations. And apparently for
good reasons. Nature if not God has created man
in such a way that he can be controlled punitively.
People quickly become skillful punishers (if not,
thereby, skillful controllers), whereas alternative
positive measures are not easily learned.
The need for punishment seems to have the sup****t
of history, and alternative practices threaten the
cherished values of freedom and dignity.
Fear involved with punishment causes frustration:
with typical results loathing, hostility and apathy.
Skinner's teaching on the superiority of posittive
reinforcement's benefits for keeping desired behavior
have proved very valuable.
----------------------------
Author and professional dog trainer LeeCharlesKelley wrote:
Thanks, Jerry, that's a helpful bit from the guy
who started it all. This shows what we've been
saying: that teaching the dog to play fetch,
regardless of its usefulness in the eventual
search part of the training program, is a
powerful motivator and reinforcer.
Of course these idiots (pardon my being blunt)
don't see using food and clickers as being a
form of coercion. Maybe they've been hypnotized
by Karen Pryor, et al?
A. S. Neill, The Famous Founder of The Summerhill
School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back
In The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They
Wet The Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass And Their
Behaviour Would Stop, - As If By MAGICK!
The Embry Study:
"While some may find it strange that reprimands
might increase the chances of a child going into
the street, the literature on the experimental analysis
of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention
to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of
more inappropriate behavior.
Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason
with their children about da****ng into the street will
likely to have the opposite impact.
Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it."
Source:
"Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to
Preschoolers by Parent Training and Symbolic
Modeling for Children: An Experimental Analysis
in the Natural Environment. Research Re****t
Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."
"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) re****t a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are re****ted to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
were moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and
learning immediately deteriorated.
Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement
model" proposed by Skinner (1963) are no more well
established in research than the various dynamic
therapists."
Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of
programmed systems for learning; 2) reinforcement;
3) cognitive dissonance; and 4) motivation, MOST
SURELY DEMOLISH the claims of operant programers."
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966).
Some clinics have re****ted ELIMINATION of the
need for child THERAPY through changing the
clinical emphasis from clinical to parental
HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents tem****arily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
To: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop
> From: "diannes" <dian...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Newsgroups:
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:18 PM Subject:
> Re: Counter Cruising must stop
> > LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > I wrote:
> > > > LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > > > On another note: I understand why someone proclaiming a method
> > > > > that works on all dogs, all the time, would send up "red flag"
to
> > > > > you and others, but the fact remains, if a technique *doesn't*
> > > > > work 100% of the time, with all dogs, then there must be a flaw
in
> > > > > the philosophy underlying that technique.
> > > > Ditto for dog training. No failure nor flaw of method is involved
-
> > > > that's just acceptance of reality.
> > > First of all, I didn't say that there was a flaw in the method,
though
> > > anyone is welcome to make that leap.
> > > I said there was a flaw in the underlying philosophy and its model
of
> > > learning.
> > Correction accepted. I think that perhaps we are using terminology
> > differently here. Here is my use of the terms:
Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.
> In order to use negative reinforcement, one must typically administer
the
> aversive stimulus in order to be able to terminate it.
This is not negative reinforcement. Negative means no.
Positive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;
Negative reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;
Aversive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;
The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;
Escape conditioning = dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off .
There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? -- too aversive.
I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's ***ULATIVE
RECORD. Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.
NO PUNISHMENT.
Must pay attention to who is the animal?
His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog? So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.
I suppose I could wire up a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than
the methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.
Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.
Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.
You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.
Fondly, Dr. Von
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:
whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine you may find my resume
in Who's Who in Science and Technology I have been listed
in Who's Who in the S & SE USA since 1982, and in the big
books, Who's Who in the USA, WW in the World, WW in
Medicine etc, and WW in Science and Technology, since that date.
These are the Marquis Publications, the "real" WW, and
you can't get yourself into them.
--------------------
From: "Dr. Von" <drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 12 Sep 2005 10:52:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Clicker Training for Dogs Newsgroups?
Jen wrote:
> I would love to know of one as well. If there was enough people
> interested maybe we could start one. I've just started clicker training
my
> dog and have been doing the positive training for a while now. I think
> it's great!!
> Jen "artbylucy" <artbyl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:OMudnRS23OLEc7zenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Hello, Does anyone know of a dedicated newsgroup for positive-only dog
> > training, in particular clicker training?
> > Thanks,
> > Lucy
Jen, your request for a positive only dog training list,
needs the same answer as I give the folk who ask why I
don't have a list for what I do with biofeedback.
The method is so simple, and if you adopt it and relate
to your dog in such a positive manner you won't have any
more problems and there is no need for any more technique.
With Puppies we Ph.D. psychologists have been outflanked
by the entirely practical and effective methods described
in his FREE manual. Free download, nothing sold, no
mailing list, no distribution of your name. Free sup****t if
needed.
With ADHD kids I provide similar information at
www.drbiofeedback.com and there is no need for
a list dealing with problems with kids. Apply
as directed and have happy healthy doggies or
kiddies.
Not difficult.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
P.S. jerk and choke, spanking, shocking, scruff shake,
choke, chin chucks, all those negatives, denial of
affection etc. are harmful, dranging, obscenities.
You might want to consider Pavlov's typology to
understand "hard and soft dogs" - essentially he
taught that there are outward and inward responding
organisms in weak and strong nervous systems and if
you grasp this firmly you'll shape your training
methods effectively.
Punishment ALWAYS deranges behavior, and so is
recommended and given only by deranged humans.
Of course, it doesn't matter if we are talking
dogs, cats, people, sheep, even husbands. Dr. Von
---------------------
Dr. Von wrote:
Unconditional Acceptance, Love, Approval are a positive
reinforcement of good feelings and reinforce groupness.
What your critics do not realize is that all free dogs live
in packs all heaped up together, touching each other closely,
or sniffing and barking happily or working tracking and
chasing down prey.
All loving groups are continually rewarding each
other with "good brother/sister" sounds and smells.
I can send you a bibliography of hundreds, nay,
thousands of papers which prove that scaring,
hurting, startling, demeaning, puni****ng animals
deranges behavior.
NEGATIVE means NO! Freshmen frequently make
the error that negative reinforcement is aversive
reinforcement, no, its NO reinforcement.
Aversive reinforcement includes choking, kicking,
biting, shocking, abrading, alpha rolling and other
sadistic behaviors. AVERSIVE reinforcement always
deranges behavior.
Neither paramecia nor dogs ever forget.
Dr. Von
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
From: TooCool (larrym...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leader****p exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?).
--Larry
===============
"Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory"
>
<Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote in message news:gCWwk.23675$IB6.4047@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> HOWEDY SteveB,
>>
>> You wouldn't happen to be Steve Boyer, the ONLY
>> pathetic miserable stinkin rotten animal murderin
>> mental case PROFESSIONAL dog trainer here who
>> AIN'T been bagged for LYIN, would you?
>>
>> "SteveB" <toquerville@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:02hbp5-ip01.ln1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> I've broken many a dog from jumping up on me.
>>
>> INDEED?
>>
>> Dogs jump on folks to GREET them an MHOWETH
>> them as BONDING behaviors <{}: ~ ) >
>>
>> SOME EXXXPERT PROFESSIONAL TRAINERS like
>> Kevin Behan and his students LeeCharlesKelley an Canis55
>> a.k.a. DEAMON CHILD TRAIN their dogs to jump up to
>> greet them to CAPITALIZE on dogs NATURAL BONDING
>> BEHAVIOR <{}: ~ ) >
>>
>>> The owner asks me, "How come he doesn't jump on you and he jumps on
>>> everyone else?"
>>
>> PERHAPS the dogs DON'T LIKE you, eh, Steve?
>>
>>> I dont' tell him that when the dog jumped, I did the appropriate thing
>>
>> Oh? You mean LIKE THIS?:
>>
>> Here's a other pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
>> anonymHOWES coward, not so handsome, not so
>> gentle, not so manly, not so happy jackass, not even
>> morrison aka dogman a.k.a. BIG DADDY, a.k.a.
>> tommy sorenson:
>>
>> "I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
>> not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use a little
>> "knee action," that is, as the dog goes charging by
>> you, just give the dog a little bop with your knee
>> and ****n.
>>
>> Yep, really lean into it.
>>
>> Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
>> make her think twice about ru****ng past you again -
>> - which is exactly what you want her to do.
>>
>> Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.
>>
>> If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.
>>
>> When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
>> abruptly and ****ge her with your knee. Again, no
>> scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
>> worry about her "over-reacting."
>>
>> I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
>> for you, just a lack of training. That is, she just
>> needs *more* of it."
>>
>>> and taught the dog myself, several with just one jump.
>>
>> Ahhhh~! Might you SHARE the GOOD NEWS with us, SteveB?
>>
>>> I just say, "I guess he doesn't like me."
>>
>> Ahhhh, you got a lot in common with your
>> fellHOWE dog lover pals here, SteveB:
>>
>> Here again is pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
>> anonymHOWES coward, not so handsome, not so
>> gentle, not so manly, not so happy jackass, not even
>> morrison aka dogman a.k.a. BIG DADDY, a.k.a.
>> tommy sorenson:
>>
>> "My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
>> And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
>> to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
>> I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.
>>
>> A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.
>>
>> Okay. Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
>> if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
>> When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
>> have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
>> really matters. Saving lives and making dogs become
>> good citizens
>>
>> At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
>> dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
>> *not* constitute a "beating."
>>
>> =====================
>>
>> From: dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman)
>> Date: 1999/01/15
>> Subject: Re: Another mouthy lab
>>
>> Get this book:
>>
>> "The Art of Raising A Puppy," by the Monks of New Skete
>>
>> If you can't find it locally, you can obtain it
>> through my Web site (see below).
>>
>> You'll need it for more than just the usual puppy
>> "mouthing" problems, anyway.
>>
>> And good luck with your Lab puppy!
>> --
>>
>> Dogman
>>
>> ------------------------
>>
>> And here's WON of his SUCCESS STORIES~!:
>>
>> From: osi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Michael Erskine)
>> Date: 12 Aug 2004 10:09:05 -0700
>>
>> Subject: My GSD bit me.
>> The question:
>>
>> I have a four year old male GSD. He growls
>> at me sometimes. When he growls at me he
>> stares me in the face and lays his ears back.
>>
>> The New Skete books say that the dog should not be
>> allowed to do that. They suggest shaking down the
>> dog by grabing the dog on the sides of his neck and
>> picking him off his front feet, then giving the dog the
>> same sort of treatment the dog would give another if
>> it were challenging him.
>>
>> Namely getting in the dogs face and letting
>> the dog know you are the alpha dog.
>>
>> Well, my dog bit me clearly he felt that I was not
>> convincing enough or he bit me out of fear.
>>
>> Anyone got ideas on what to do with this dog that might
>> help him to decide that he wants to follow and that he
>> has nothing to fear from me?
>>
>> ----------------------
>>
>> From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:21:14 GMT
>> Subject: Re: My GSD bit me.
>>
>> You need to improve your acting skills. Get a werewolf
>> suit with blood-drenched fangs and claw gloves and THEN
>> go after your dog.
>>
>> Knock the **** out of him and don't be afraid to crack
>> some ribs. Then yank the mask off and shout "SURPRISE!
>> IT'S ME!" I guarantee you and your dog will have a new
>> relation****p based on mutual respect.
>>
>> Keep in mind that the monks of New Skete
>> were pre-Lon-Chaney.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----------------------
>>
>>> Funny, at the time,
>>
>> Yeah?
>>
>> You mean LIKE THIS?:
>>
>> Here's a couple of tommy sorenson's aka not so handsome,
>> not so gentle, jackass, not even morrison a.k.a. DOGMAN,
>> the anonymHOWES COWARD's SUCCESSFUL "STUDENTS":
>>
>> "Feisty, Humorous, Brave, Curious And
>> Playful. Full Of "Joie de Vivre," And DEAD.
>>
>> From: Laura Arlov (l...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
>> Subject: Re: Chewie bit my husband !
>>
>> Date: 1999/01/20
>>
>> Quote laura:
>> Well, we're doing as you say Dogman,
>> and I'll keep you all posted.
>>
>> Laura in Oslo
>>
>> You're quite the dog enthusiast, eh laura?
>>
>> Quote laura:
>> The listener,
>>
>> You didn't WANT to listen to The Puppy Wizard when
>> HE told you you couldn't PUNISH and INTIMIDATE
>> your dog or you'd make IT aggressive.
>>
>> Quote laura:
>> the observer.
>>
>> NHOWE you got a DEAD DOG HOWETA it.
>>
>> Quote laura:
>> We do work were you sometimes have to observe people
>>
>> Like laura, MURDERING her dog...
>>
>> Quote laura:
>> and take notes.
>>
>> INDEEDY!
>>
>> Quote laura:
>> B. has amazing powers of observation and concentration.
>>
>> RIGHT...
>>
>> Quote laura:
>> Laura and Angel in Oslo
>>
>> steve walker's DEAD DOG Sampson was a shelter / rescue Golden.
>> He begain TURNING on his daughter so he PUNISHED IT. That
>> seemed to have CURED Sampson's FEAR of steve's daughter but
>> TAUGHT IT to attack OTHER daddy's daughters, and GOT HIM
>> DEAD, despite all the EXXXPERTEASE of HOWER fellHOWE
>> dog lovers here and the BIG SHOT, john rogerson, in the UK <{}: ~ ( >
>>
>> LIKE THIS:
>>
>> Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
>> No Good Charlatan,"
>>
>> < AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
>> A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
>> Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
>> Dog Lovers.
>>
>> 'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
>> A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.
>>
>>>Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
>>>Date: 02/05/1999
>>>Author: Robert Crim <fritzg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had
>>> any idea of what dogs and dog people were about
>>> you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing
>>> and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not
>>> for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet
>>> gives us from the s***my likes of you, I would probably
>>> be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
>>> of **** you really are
>>
>> Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?
>>
>> Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!
>>
>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>> --
>> Dogman
>> mailto:dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> http://www.i1.net/~dogman
>>
>> =====================
>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus
>>
>> <"Terri"@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Wrote:>
>>
>>> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
>>> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
>>> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
>>> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
>>> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
>>
>> Robert Crim writes:
>>
>> I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
>> since I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood
>> enough of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher
>> and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.
>>
>> This naive child would like to say thank you to both
>> Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
>> of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
>> adult dog lovers.
>>
>> The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
>> nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
>> earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
>> of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
>> given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
>> gasped his last gasp.
>>
>> To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.
>>
>> Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
>> names are more honest than people that use their real
>> names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
>> and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
>> are the equal or better than those that have studied and
>> lived by their craft for decades.
>>
>> "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
>> level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
>> that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
>> going to just go away because you people act like fools.
>>
>> Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
>> don't really care.
>>
>>> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
>>> actually admit to buying and having success with his
>>> little black box.
>>
>> I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
>> take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
>> testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
>> never know.
>>
>>> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
>>> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
>>> to him! LOL!
>>
>> I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
>> Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
>> eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>>
>>>Terri
>>
>> Yes it was, and that is sad.
>>
>> Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
>> listen to the box first?)
>>
>> ============
>>
>> SEE?
>>
>> tommy sez:
>>
>>> Sucker.
>>
>> Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy, "you insipid piece of cow dung!"
>>
>> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAA~!~!~!
>>
>> AND LIKE THIS:
>>
>> Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
>> From: Steve Walker <skwal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:54:57 +0100
>>
>> Subject: Sad news (Samson)
>>
>> Hello everyone, hope you remember me. I've been quiet here for ages,
>> firstly because of a computer breakdown that took ages to remedy, and
>> then it's been difficult to find the heart to write to the group again.
>>
>> You see, on Sep 21, after much heart-searching, I took Samson
>> back to the RSPCA to be put to sleep. He was a brilliant dog
>> with his family, but was becoming more & more fear reactive
>> with people, especially small children, and (apparently randomly)
>> with other dogs, to the point where we had to muzzle him when
>> he went out and if we had visitors (which is often), because we
>> just couldn't trust people to remember to leave him alone, so his
>> quality of life had become not much.
>>
>> We put him through a rehab programme from John Rogerson's
>> practice - I gather he's pretty well-known, so some of you might
>> have heard of him - which did everything they said it would
>> (reliable recall, focused his attention much more on us, etc -
>> except reduce his tendency to react suddenly and bite.
>>
>> The vet had checked him and found nothing, but I'd still
>> have suspected a brain tumour or something if it hadn't
>> been for the fact that he was totally reliable with the kids
>> and us.
>>
>> I called the RSPCA to let them know that the rehab programme
>> wasn't working, and they said that if we gave him back, they'd
>> *****s him but he'd almost certainly be put down.
>>
>> I couldn't let him be alone among strangers for his last moments,
>> so I asked if they'd let me take him immediately and stay with
>> him while it was done, and they agreed.
>>
>> It was a sunny day, and he was happy enough on the drive to
>> the centre, but I could barely hold myself together. He was
>> nervous of going into the surgery and I had to coax him in,
>> and I felt like an utter traitor.
>>
>> I stroked him as they prepared him, crying and telling him
>> how sorry I was, and nearly panicked and ran out with him
>> when they brought out the needle.
>>
>> But I knew if I did it would only be delaying the inevitable,
>> and I'd be risking someone, probably a child, being injured,
>> which I couldn't do. So I went through with it, and in a few
>> seconds it was over and I'd killed my dog, who trusted me
>> to look after him.
>>
>> I told a mailing list I'm on straight away, and they've been
>> fantastically kind. I was in a daze for days afterwards, and
>> still have the occasional flashback to that day, but I'm coping
>> a lot better now, and would love to give a home to another dog,
>> but my wife doesn't feel ready yet.
>>
>> Soon, though, I hope. I miss Samson terribly, but while I feel
>> a lot of guilt for the decision I made, I know there wasn't another
>> way out, and at least I could make sure I was with him at the end.
>>
>> I owed him that.
>>
>> I know there are some here who will gloat over this email, but all I
>> can say is that their opinion, their existence, is irrelevant to me.
For
>> the rest of you, the good, decent majority who frequent this group, I
>> didn't want to just disappear, and not tell you what had happened,
>> after you gave me so much sup****t and help from the outset.
>>
>> Samson was my first dog, and the help I got here made life
>> much better for him and us while we were together.
>>
>> If the glad day comes when we do adopt another dog,
>> I'll let you know. I hope it's soon.
>>
>> God bless,
>> --
>> Steve Walker
>>
>> From: Steve Walker <skwal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> Date: 2000/10/09
>>
>> Subject: Re: Sad news (Samson) = I'm GLAD You Killed Samson,
>> He Was A BAD GENETIC Choice. You Did The Right Thing. Turn
>> And Don't Look Back.
>>
>> In article FJ6E5.62103$O95.4439...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Jerry Howe <jh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes
>>
>>>Nor can I. Nor can Marilyn. She does the same kind of work I do. We
>>>KNEW this was going to happen, based on steve's original posts here...
>>
>> Jerry, you're still in my killfile, but somehow this one made it
>> through, so I'll respond before I ignore you again.
>>
>> You obviously have a very short memory. Samson was not trained using
>> aggressive, confrontational or harsh methods. John Rogerson's rehab
>> programme was based entirely on using kind methods to get Samson's
>> attention even more fixed on us (which wouldn't have worked if they
were
>> not kind), with the intention that Samson wouldn't even be interested
in
>> other dogs and people, until we had such good control that we could
>> start to introduce others under controlled cir***stances that would
>> persuade Samson it was great to have them around.
>>
>> It worked, in so far as Samson became even more attached to us, had a
>> perfect recall etc. Unfortunately, this didn't stop the fact that he
>> might suddenly react aggressively to even the proximity of a stranger
or
>> strange dog.
>>
>> No aggressive methods were used in this programme. Not one. But the
>> problem was too deep-rooted, too instinctive, and Samson just couldn't
>> help himself. He'd shake if a small child even entered the room, and
if
>> they approached him he'd try to bite them. Not as a reaction to
>> aggression, but just because he had some deep-rooted fear issue going
>> back to before we ever had him.
>>
>> We could not risk that he would injure someone, especially a child,
>> so we made the decision we did - not lightly, but with tears.
>>
>> You, however, are an idiot. Don't bother replying, because even if
>> one of your posts makes it past the killfile again, you'll just be
binned
>> with the rest of the garbage.
>>
>> Goodbye.
>> --
>> Steve Walker
>>
>> QUOTE FROM lyingdogDUMMY:
>>
>>> "The only one I see acting like a fool is you, Crim, for buying into
>>> anything Howe ever has to say, about anything, and for
>>> not listening to me when it comes to dogs."
>>
>> Ever hear the expression "sit rolls down hill?"
>>
>> > but was becoming more & more fear reactive
>>> with people, especially small children,
>>
>> That's it in a nutshell. You taught him through your own actions,
>> HOWE to deal with other, less capable beings. Dogs copy our
>> actions and attitudes. They mirror us. They emulate us. And
>> when we respond to their natural, innate, instinctive, reflexive
>> behaviors, with punishment, the dog loses confidence in our
>> judgement and leader****p ability.
>>
>> Seems I recall you mentioning the children were learning to
>> CORRECT Samson on lead, so THEY could enjoy walking
>> with him. Didn't you mention they were learning some alpha
>> dominance techniques as well?
>>
>> Can't let that big lug pull down the children now, can we?
>>
>> So you teach the children to violate the dog's trust with a few
>> good corrections. And YOU back up the children with the
>> HAMMERS OF HELL...
>>
>> And it worked. Didn't it, just as I told you so. Just as I told Robert
>> Crim. But you guys were too smart to be taken in by this con man.
>>
>> You listened to our fear, force, and alpha dominance control freaks,
>> who learned ALL that they know about dog behavior from the
>> MADMAN, MONSTER, wm koehler.
>>
>> So, it seems the only problem is that you didn't read the back of the
>> book. That's what our Gang Of Thugs fails to mention, until it's too
>> late. That's the part that says when the dog is finally provoked to act
>> out on his trainer or other weaker family members, that you've got to
>> HANG the dog till his eyes roll back in ITS head, ITS tongue turns
>> thick and blue and falls out the side of ITS mouth, and when you put
>> IT back on the ground, IT should stagger to IT'S feet, and PUKE.
>>
>> That's the cure for this behavior problem, you just never asked.
>>
>> I expect you'll enjoy your next dog as much as you enjoyed Samson.
>>
>> Tell him HOWEDY for me, eh good buddy? Eh? Huh? Huh? Eh??? Eh???
>>
>> Yours for responsible dog handling and training,
>> Jerry "Don't Confront The Dog" Howe.
>>
>> From: Dogman <dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> Date: 2000/10/08
>> Subject: Re: Sad news (Samson) = ninnyboy
>>
>> "JohnK" <jo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> It's too late. I already know what a disgusting, vile
>>> human being you are. You are to be ignored now.
>>
>> Come on, John.
>>
>> It didn't really take that Sampson post for you to know
>> that Howe is a disgusting, vile human being, did it?
>>
>> I hope not.
>> --
>> Dogman
>> mailto:dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> http://www.i1.net/~dogman
>>
>> SEE?
>>
>> AND LIKE THIS:
>>
>> Subject: Re: RIP Teena 1999 - 2004
>> "Handsome Jack Morrison" <me10...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>> message news:p8sn1093e89a5202rdr1an5b5pgd3gdrrf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>> On 31 Jan 2004 17:48:39 GMT, KWBrown arfenarfSPAMBL...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> wrote:
>>> Well.
>>> She tried to take a bite out of our trainer, and that was that.
>>> Teena the ESS made her last trip to the vet and, I hope,
>>> sleeps more peacefully than she has in years.
>>
>> I'm very sorry to hear that, Kate.
>>
>> But going by the information you posted here about her,
>> you had no choice.
>>
>> Godspeed, Teena.
>> --
>> Handsome Jack Morrison
>> *gently remove the detonator to reply via e-mail
>>
>> Hello Dogdirtforbirdbrains,
>>
>> You ain't getting away with that any more. You are not going to get
>> away with blaming genetics for the behavior problems created
>> through abusive training methods recommended by thugs like you
>> and Koehler, that cause dogs to turn on their owners and families,
>> and die as a result!
>>
>> People are getting smart around here, and fast! You becoming well
>> recognized for what you are. I don't need to elaborate on that
>> anymore. Everybody knows.
>>
>>> What a piece of **** you are, Crim. Blaming me, or blaming
>>> Koehler, for poor Fritz's problem, is like blaming a doctor who
>>> couldn't save your child's life, and that's unconscionable.
>>
>> You told Crim that Koehler was fantastic. He bought it hook, line,
>> and sinker, and it sank him. You must know the risk, just as I do.
>> I've seen this sort of thing happen repeatedly for over thirty years.
>> It will stop. I'm not going to allow you people to get away with it
>> anymore.
>>
>> I will dog you, Koehler, and all of your kind right to the gates of
>> Hell, and I'll train Appallion to keep you there forever. Guaranteed.
>> The gates of Hell are guarded by a Wits' End trained dog.
>>
>>> Your dog was almost certainly predestined by his *genes* to end
>>> up like he did, particularly since he had *you* as his thoroughly
>>> confused, ignorant and inconsistent doofus owner.
>>
>> No, it was the Koehler method that killed Fritz. It was your advice
>> that killed Fritz. It was me, not being here sooner, that killed Fritz.
>>
>> Crim was a victim, just like Fritz. Crim did everything by the book,
>> exactly as per the instructions. He followed your advice. He lost,
>> big time. I could have predicted the outcome, the percentage of this
>> kind of "collateral damage" is unacceptably high.
>>
>> Those things, I am certain of. Those things, I am determined to stop.
>>
>>> The only one I see acting like a fool is you, Crim, for buying into
>>> anything Howe ever has to say, about anything, and for not
>>> listening to me when it comes to dogs.
>>
>> You are mad at me, because I forced Crim to examine exactly what
>> happened to Fritz, and he came to the correct conclusion. If I
>> hadn't, he'd be doing the same things he'd done before, but harder,
>> and faster, and maybe lost his next dog, faster and harder.
>> You now blame the genes, you now blame Crim for mishandling.
>> You said it was a good thing he destroyed his untrustworthy dog.
>> That is the kind of response you have given many people over the
>> years, isn't it? I know that for certain, I've been fighting you
>> Thugs all my life. It's almost over now, people are getting wise to
>> you, and Koehler, and Fraud Die, and the rest of the "in crowd" here.
>>
>> Before, it was just me fighting for proper handling and training
>> methods. You've all ganged up on me, trying everything possible to
>> discredit and intimidate me. That didn't work. Not one of you cretins
>> have successfully discredited any of my methods. Keep trying, please.
>>
>> Now, there are several competent professional dog trainers, all with
>> somewhat different but nonetheless acceptable, non force, methods.
>> For the first time in my career, I've learned something from another
>> dog trainer. We've got a good thing going now, and you and our
>> Gang Of Thugs have to change, or go off into obscurity, in shame and
>> contempt.
>>
>> You can't make up for the harm you've done, but you were an
>> innocent victim just like Crim, and you can be forgiven, and
>> rehabilitated, and you don't have to continue doing any more harm.
>>
>> The choice is up to you. It's time to do or die.
>>
>>> Dogman aka "Big Daddy"
>>> dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> ===================
>>
>> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>>
>>> I'm usually bent over petting the tail wagging dog.
>>
>> Yeah? Tail waggin is a SYMPTOM of anXXXIHOWESNESS.
>>
>>> Steve
>>
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>>
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>> Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
>> SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard, Director Of
>> Trainin an Research <{}'; ~ ) >
>>
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>> and training mostly giant breed working dogs for families
>> and security specializing in temperament and behavior
>> problems and protection <{}: ~ ) >
>>
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>> Training Method Manual:
>>
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>>
>> The actual INSTRUCTION begins on the third page "*777*
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>> with "Here's ALL the INFORMATION you NEED" and my
>> phone # and instructions to CALL ANY TIME.
>>
>> There you will find ALL the FREE information you need
>> to pupperly handle raise and train your pets and family.
>> Just follow the instructions PRECISELY and ASK me if
>> you need any additional FREE HEELP <{}': ~ ) >
>>
>> You'll likeWIZE find ETHICAL nutrition and heelth
>> care practices taught on the heelth page *(last link
>> on the left side) of my website.
>>
>> From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> To: "The Puppy Wizard"
>> <ThePuppyWiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
>>
>> Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
>> Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
>>
>> I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
>> and now must applaud your attempts to save
>> animals from painful training procedures.
>>
>> You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
>> who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
>> alert the world to animal abuse.
>>
>> We are lucky to have you, and more people should
>> come to their senses and sup****t your valuable
>> work.
>>
>> Have you thought of establi****ng a nonprofit
>> charity to fund your im****tant work?
>>
>> Have you thought about holding a press conference
>> so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
>> and significant work?
>>
>> In closing, my only suggestion is that you
>> try to keep your messages short for most
>> readers may refuse to read a long message
>> even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
>> I wish you well in your endeavors.
>>
>> --Marshall Dermer
>>
>> "The day may come when the rest of
>> the animal creation
>> may acquire those right
>> which never could have been withholden from them
>> but by the hand of tyranny.
>>
>> The question is not can they REASON,
>> nor can they TALK,
>> but can they SUFFER?" -
>> - Jeremy Bentham
>>
>> "A Cheerful Heart Is Good Medicine, But
>> A Crushed Spirit Dries Up The Bones,"
>> Proverbs 17:22
>>
>> Disciple Paulie Sez:
>>
>> "No One Understands How Wits End Training
>> Really Works; They Assume It's All Nicey Nicey
>> And don't Realise It's A Very Disciplined Method
>> That Deals With Any Situation And The Foundation
>> Is Built On Trust And Understanding.
>>
>> I've never forced my dogs to do anything,
>> I tell them they are good dogs and they
>> seem to follow me, onceI told them they
>> were bad dogs and they ran away from me,
>> now I only ever tell them they are good dogs
>> and they always are, always.
>>
>> Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say
>> "good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and
>> I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding
>> everytime.
>>
>> A Bit Of Respect Works Wonders,
>> The Same Rule Applies
>> To Every Aspect Of
>> The Relation****p With Your Dog.
>>
>> Obedience And Affection Are Not Related,
>> if They Were Everyone Would Have
>> Obedient Dogs.
>>
>> I Have Found Giving Dogs "Payment" In Advance i.e.
>> "Sam sit goodboy" Makes The Dogs WANT TO RESPOND,
>> After All, All Dogs Want To Be "Good Dogs" And If
>> You Tell Them They Are Good Then They Feel An
>> Obligation To Obey Your Request.
>>
>> Telling Sam He's A Good Dog AFTER He Sit's
>> Apart From Being Too Late Is Also A Gamble
>> Because If He Doesn't Sit Then There's No
>> Positive Interaction.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> -------------------------
>>
>> ANY QUESTIONS, People?
>>
>> "Ye shall know the truth,
>> and the truth shall make you mad." -
>> ~Aldous Huxley.
>>
>> All Truth P***** Through Three Stages.
>> First, It Is Ridiculed.
>> Second, It Is Violently Opposed.
>> Third, It Is Accepted As Being Self-Evident
>> -Arthur Schopenhauer-
>>
>> "Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
>> even tho it's a hopeless task,
>> in this system of things.
>> As long as man is ruling man,
>> there will be animals (and humans!)
>> abused and neglected. :-(
>> Your student," Juanita.
>>
>> "If you've got them by the balls their
>> hearts and minds will follow,"
>> John Wayne.
>>
>> "Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
>> "Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"
>> -Friedrich Schiller.
>>
>> INDEEDY.
>>
>> AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!
>>
>> In Love And Light,
>> I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours
>> The WORLD'S CRUELEST Trainer,
>> Jerry Howe,
>> The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
>> A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
>> *M-A-J-E-S-T-I-C*
>> *G-R-A-N-D*
>> *M-A-S-T-E-R*
>> Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey
>> SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ;~ ) >
>>
>> HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Jerry Howe,
>> Director of Research,
>> Human And Animal Behavior
>> Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
>> BIOSOUND Scientific,
>> Director of Training,
>> Wits' End Dog Training
>> 1611 24th St
>> Orlando, FL 32805
>> Phone: 1-407-425-5092 (Call ANY TIME)
>> http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard
>>
>> E-mail:
>>
>> Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
>> @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
>> @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
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>>
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